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Damdred
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May 31 2015 19:07 GMT
#110
The story entices all
Damdred
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May 31 2015 20:23 GMT
#112
The story is good I say, can't wait to read more going forward
Damdred
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May 31 2015 21:12 GMT
#116
I'll

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But will be hit and miss on activity
Damdred
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May 31 2015 21:54 GMT
#121
/Confirm
Damdred
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June 01 2015 01:46 GMT
#134
Tsk, anyway just want a nice relaxing game while I settle into my new job.

rsoultin is a pita for all the right reasons
Damdred
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June 01 2015 01:48 GMT
#136
Best thing ever, sheep damdred when he's barely doing work.

It pays off
Damdred
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June 01 2015 01:52 GMT
#138
That works out I prerolled pgo
Damdred
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June 01 2015 01:54 GMT
#140
Exactly
Damdred
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June 01 2015 02:21 GMT
#148
Oh god I'd love this kick start ij a game with jat

jat would poke the rage out
Damdred
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June 01 2015 14:32 GMT
#164
I'm open to being shadowed
Damdred
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June 01 2015 18:56 GMT
#173
Haps first post in obs will have damdred in the scum team believe it
Damdred
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June 02 2015 19:52 GMT
#194
GL to all I'm starting my new schedule at my new job so I'll just haphazardly be in thread for the first 6 hours of game.
Damdred
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June 02 2015 20:24 GMT
#206
Just put dl in

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Damdred
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June 02 2015 21:03 GMT
#215
Second.

Who will be the thread hero end give me lots of posts to read and interact with.
Damdred
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June 02 2015 21:27 GMT
#239
Let us get right to it.

I would generally just come out with my ritoky read right off the bat but I'm going to hold off here for a few reasons. Need to see more postings at this point.

However I don't get why tick is being so weird about Sl and him tunneling in previous games it just feels a bit fake? Also he mentions other people he's suspicious of? I'm not sure what that is, overall his postings give me a strange feeling.

Kick while I agree with his post it isn't alignment indicative to an extent pre made posts usually aren't.

Moving on I need a henchman to do,my bidding who,will it be
Damdred
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June 02 2015 21:44 GMT
#260
Ritoky rit rit. Is your body ready foe it
Damdred
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June 02 2015 21:51 GMT
#267
So ritoky shouldn't be lynched today at all. I have a pretty strong town read on him currently so remove your votes.

I'll revisit him during the night to,make sure but let us look for mafia elsewhere
Damdred
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June 02 2015 21:55 GMT
#271
How is it a pressure vote when you are telling him it's just pressure?
Damdred
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June 02 2015 22:37 GMT
#307
So, gut feeling is Milo stuff isn't as bad as it is being made out to,be. If you think,he's Scum Ok that's fine.

Don't tunnel him before he has tile to do anything else.

Answer me this why,can't his reasons be all he's said? Does town never contradict themselves? Are both these things only scum oriented
Damdred
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June 02 2015 23:05 GMT
#332
Firstly I don't think I have a town read on Milo, he's still null for me at this point but he is on the upper level of null.

I also read some associative reads that are completely unsubstantiated or explained fully with vague rumblings. I kinda going to put kick towards the bottom of null here.

And usually I don't Sl I just ignore and do whatever I just didn't want to this time.
Damdred
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June 02 2015 23:06 GMT
#334
Also yeah it's more town than Scum to say I'd lynch x no matter what alignment.
Damdred
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June 02 2015 23:12 GMT
#345
On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...

I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.

Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.

I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.


Last point is actually a really good point.

Won't Scum give fast reads like that though with perfect information? Why wouldn't Scum,try to pocket you?

Why does ve have to wait for,chocolate when he didn't deliver on a promise
Damdred
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June 02 2015 23:18 GMT
#352
On June 03 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...

I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.

Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.

I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.


Last point is actually a really good point.

Won't Scum give fast reads like that though with perfect information? Why wouldn't Scum,try to pocket you?

Why does ve have to wait for,chocolate when he didn't deliver on a promise


Please answer relevant questions
Damdred
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June 02 2015 23:22 GMT
#356
...just as my last post suggests, the last point he makes is a good point.
Damdred
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June 02 2015 23:27 GMT
#363
On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery

I don't know who you are either lol

As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people


This is the promise, having an excuse to lurk under the guise of,doing things is breaking the promise of,doing,things.
Damdred
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June 02 2015 23:47 GMT
#374
I'm curious why you want so many strong reads from people so early when a lot of thing a are just pure null. He'll I only have 1 really town read, one lean some nulls that are almost leans and one scummy feeling.

Damdred
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June 02 2015 23:49 GMT
#376
Ritoky, Ritoky what is your read on me so I can just ask until,I break out who we are lynching today
Damdred
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June 02 2015 23:54 GMT
#381
And where are you at again in reads ks?
Damdred
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June 03 2015 00:00 GMT
#386
That's interesting... Sooo where are the other reads? Even if they aren't iron clad?
Damdred
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June 03 2015 00:23 GMT
#397
Honestly guys you are jumping on Milo who made a case which is... ok I suppose.

It showed good thought process and limited reasoning and makes sense. I don't see a newbie Scum going through that sort of thing. He's town just leave him,be for now.

However I don't think what he said makes ks Scum. I think,there are good reasons to,suck,read him bit reverent touched on. And nope not that he's to pushy or in charge those are bad points lol.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 00:25 GMT
#401
Also everyone is demanding more and more reads from him but the main person who,keeps screaming for,more reads gives one leaves thread promises more comes back and doesn't deliver and,nobody talks about it.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 00:30 GMT
#408
Not sure how I'm being middle of the road?
Damdred
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June 03 2015 01:46 GMT
#441
Actually the charges levels against me are meh, I've taken plenty of stances mostly town reads....

You call it middle of the road becauseee....idk haha.

Anyway yeah I'll town read more people later figure out who I want to lynch in... 18 hours probably maybe 30.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 01:54 GMT
#448
Except I called Milo town just a few posts ago.

Town hinting if you are good at it can be just as helpful as scum hinting. So you don't like it that's to bad that's how I play early and it nets me finding scum through poe or at least lets me find the right filters to look through.

Damdred
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June 03 2015 01:57 GMT
#450
Ummmm idk if you know this or not but most wagons up to hour 12 in the cycle (12 hours left before end of day) generally don't get lynched.

Most serious cases are presented and pushed at that point when more information is I'm thread generally.

If you disagree with how I approach early game that's fine but I generally don't put weakass scum reads in the thread lol
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 03 2015 02:02 GMT
#453
Don't discount my ultimate ritoky read now.

Who knows I'll figure out who I think is s um when I'm on a comp. Scotts up ij scum, you are slightly above scum undecided.

Damdred
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June 03 2015 06:11 GMT
#463
On June 03 2015 13:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote:
Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- ....

Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame.

I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me.

Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE


I think this post is very towny and confident.


Why?

On June 03 2015 09:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town


My gut tells me the specific diction you chose with regards to being 'morally' okay with it inclines me to believe you are townie.

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On June 03 2015 06:17 Tictock wrote:
In regards to kicks question.

I am pretty new to TL forums. Have played in 2 of the newbie games (the 2 most recent ones, including the ongoing one).

I see a few familiar names, but most of you I don't know... and am HIGHLY suspicious of...

And of course I know SL, who I may have to ignore. I apologize in advance if I start tunneling him, I have a tendency to do that.


I think your intentional emphasis on the fact that you are 'HIGHLY' suspicious of people is scum-indicative. You are making sure we all know you are 'suspicious' of people, aka have imperfect information aka are town. A very roundabout and subtle way to go about telling people you are town.

I think this is an excellent policy vote.

##Vote Tictock


Whats the point of this? You don't really seem to do anything with this or push your policy lynch. Why is it even a policy vote when you seem to feel like he has done something scummy? After you post this theres one more post that is closely behind but you don't interact with ticktock nor do you push the idea instead you mark other posts and don't really explain anything?

Your posts lack any form of concrete reasoning or thought and lack real thought process it seems. I don't think I like them
Damdred
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June 03 2015 13:55 GMT
#471
Templars totally ignores my post to tell someone who said nothing really ij their post that they are town.

Damdred
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June 03 2015 14:18 GMT
#475
Ok...but what in that post was so towny that it deserved a town read?
Damdred
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June 03 2015 14:28 GMT
#477
On June 03 2015 23:17 Chocolate wrote:
I think it's scummy. What good is it to say "X player seems town"? There's no risk at all in that situation. Overeager lynching is bad for town but playing it safe is even worse. For town to win action must be taken on imperfect information


and who exactly should we lynch today chocolate
Damdred
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June 03 2015 14:34 GMT
#479
Why?
Damdred
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June 03 2015 16:39 GMT
#500
Actually there is a very large difference to you making a bad point that I'm not responding to you whip I'm not here or you are still posting. To me saying you ignored my post since it was three hours after my initial post and you decided to interact with another post on a superficial level and now you are only making a show because you got called out.

Be back in a bit.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 16:47 GMT
#502
On June 04 2015 01:38 Fidei86 wrote:
I would say that I actually agree with a lot of the things Chocolate has said. His first posts were super clowny, but I suspect that that's partly just because someone has to say something first, and it might as well be stupid - it's not like Kickstarter covered himself in glory with his traffic-copping either. After that, I actually agree with a lot of the things he has said.


What specifically do you like? What do you agree with?
Damdred
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June 03 2015 16:51 GMT
#504
You will realm have to take me through this step by step what you like about him and what you agree with on those reads.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 16:51 GMT
#505
They did, I understand the ve can you explain why you like his gg read for instance
Damdred
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June 03 2015 17:11 GMT
#508
Well..i mean that seems to be mostly your read which I agree with, but I'm not sure what it has to do with agreeing with chocolate on his read etc.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 19:21 GMT
#525
Ignoring my post which admitted isn't alignment indicative isn't as big a deal as what I would term unreasonable town reads to me. I did give him shit for the bad reasoning however it is fair to say he only replied and returned pressure after he was pinged out. Does that make him scum... Maybe I'm not convinced myself yet.

However there is another issue that is more pressing currently I hinted at it but fideu odd read on chocolate and inability to really show reasoning why he likes chocolates posting weirds me out, it reminds me of people trying to get on the right side of a mislynch and if I hadn't of gotten side tracked with template earlier I wanted to point out how his reads are wishy washy and he has no real conclusions etc.

and the suspicion on Milo seems a bit fake to me.

Damdred
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June 03 2015 19:24 GMT
#526
Also I kinda don't want to lynch Scott I was setting a trap for him by not answering his question and sre if he was going tonbring it up.

A most cunning plan foiled by someone who cares if he's answered.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 20:25 GMT
#536
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 21:46 GMT
#546
i'm not even going to read posts until I say this, how in the fuck can anyone in this game say that I don't have opinions stated?

I have literally given at least 3 town reads up to this point, have voiced opinions why 2 people are scummy and have stated why idon't like posts many times.

This is total shit.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 21:51 GMT
#547
On June 04 2015 05:46 ritoky wrote:
I just don't see how you can have a nydus town lean or read. I sure as shit don't anymore. A lot of people have a nydus town read which might mean some1 is spewing him but I don't think he has done enough to deserve the town reads he has gotten.

However back to your read on him and why it is strange:

Nydus thinks or thought that you are scum, he thinks 1 of your 2 top towns is scum and has reinforced it later (me), and he thinks your other top town's case on mafia is crap. So he literally completely disagrees with everything except your templar read, which tbh he may not actually stand behind that much cuz all we have is a #scum post. Even moreso he has a town read on milo who all 3 of your towns have pinged out as potential scum over the course of the 1st day. I just don't see how tone could possibly overrule how utterly wrong Nydus should appear to you. You haven't even called him donkey town....just a town lean. This read feels really out of place....


I like this post, ritoky is a cool guy
Damdred
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June 03 2015 21:56 GMT
#548
On June 04 2015 05:35 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.


Just because you refuse to give us opinions on anyone and I keep asking you too is no need to omgus me, but whatever. My '2 people are town one learn the rest null' is more than you have offered up. and if there are 13 players, and I know I'm town, we have 12 people. Ive said i find 3 to be scummy, leaves us 9. Of those 9 ive said 3 were town, leaves 6, of those 6 I pointed out all my issues with 4 of them. I don't even know who the 2 I left out are.

So I have given my thoughts on almost every single player in the game while you haven't given your thoughts on a single one.

Stay mad.


I think most people in this game who've played with me will attest that I don't generally omgus. And this isn't at this point.

However your posts fit very much into the vein of Lots of Words with little content.

Like your big post that irkd me, a simple question was asked to you yet you turned it into a wall of text without any real explanation on why certain people are town. Instead you threw scum on certain people and then said "if they dont' do x before Y". That's not real content nor is that actual reads if you think something is scummy its scummy, not this half whishy washy things that permeate your posts at points.

Damdred
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June 03 2015 22:45 GMT
#552
On June 04 2015 07:05 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote:
On June 04 2015 05:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 04 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
So basically almost 24 hours in game you only have a strong opinion that 2 people are town one lean and the rest is null. Meh that post just irks me, it says a lot without actually doing much bah.


Just because you refuse to give us opinions on anyone and I keep asking you too is no need to omgus me, but whatever. My '2 people are town one learn the rest null' is more than you have offered up. and if there are 13 players, and I know I'm town, we have 12 people. Ive said i find 3 to be scummy, leaves us 9. Of those 9 ive said 3 were town, leaves 6, of those 6 I pointed out all my issues with 4 of them. I don't even know who the 2 I left out are.

So I have given my thoughts on almost every single player in the game while you haven't given your thoughts on a single one.

Stay mad.


I think most people in this game who've played with me will attest that I don't generally omgus. And this isn't at this point.

However your posts fit very much into the vein of Lots of Words with little content.

Like your big post that irkd me, a simple question was asked to you yet you turned it into a wall of text without any real explanation on why certain people are town. Instead you threw scum on certain people and then said "if they dont' do x before Y". That's not real content nor is that actual reads if you think something is scummy its scummy, not this half whishy washy things that permeate your posts at points.



We just seem not to like each other, which is fine I guess. But I haven't been wishy washy at all. My scum reads are GGt, milo, and sicklucker, in that order. Town reads are ritocky and VE in that order. To say that I have indicated anything other than what I just said is to not have read what I've said. You keep saying I have given little content yet I have stated over and over and over and over and over again who my scum reads are, and that I like ritocky and VEs posting this far (though VE hasn't said much in awhile but hopefully whenever he gets back to the thread he will). Meanwhile, I still don't know who your scum reads are, as I have pointed out for quite some time now. You are just totally having a go at me and nothing you are saying about my posts holds true. It is annoying, and you've done it enough, I would now like you to say something about some other people, or are you still going to pull the "i dont play that way" card?


I"m not sure what game you have been reading. I have plenty of opinions and reasons why I think certain things are scummy etc.

It has nothing to do with whether I like you or not, it has to do with the fact that you are avoiding certain questions and giving half answers to ritoky specifically about your reads. You went off on a very long tangent that wasn't very useful in one of your longer posts that irked me that led to a "conclusion" that you would only look at certain people more if activity etc wasn't up to what you thought.

However it doesn't change the fact that you are obviously not actually reading what I post for the most part.
Damdred
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June 03 2015 23:02 GMT
#555
Chin up ritoky and help me solve the game.

I'm nto sure that KS is scum, I think that the point you brought up is a good one though and I could see scum accidently aligning themselves like that. Sort of like I did in the game where I called vivax town even though we drastically differed on our reads.

Who else do you think is scum?
Damdred
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June 03 2015 23:17 GMT
#558
I actually sort of like Scott, its for a partially bad reason because scum could replicate it pretty easily if they paid attention. However i'm not sure scott is one of those mafia, like I mentioned before I sort of tried to trap him to see if he would forget the question about how I came up with my magical read on you (ritoky).

It kind of puts me in a position where I don't want to lynch someone today who cares and has some form of follow up. I also am not going to scum read him for saying hes busy irl because I legitimately don't thinkt hat he would be lying about that. Its just enough for me not to want to lynch him today I think.

I agree with you that the nydus read is badish (I've already said why), i'm actually more prone to think this would come from scum than from town. But it's sort of weird I probably should go look at his scum game to see how he does but I think he ha some red flags.

I noticed you left out fied? Why did you leave him out? I think there is some pretty decent reasons to think hes scum even if he is a newer player.

i'll look at tick in just a minute and chocolate i'm not sure
Damdred
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June 04 2015 01:22 GMT
#592
On June 04 2015 09:56 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 05:14 Kickstart wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:
On June 04 2015 04:51 Kickstart wrote:
Well since it seems GGT isnt here yet to answer any questions, what do others think of my read on him? I know ritocky echod the concern about that insane list post and scott said he agreed with the post. Is GGT scummy to you guys as well or do you find another person more scummy atm, and aside from ritocky and scott what does everyone else think of my GGT read?


I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on.

Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks.


Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch. I went on milo and sl before they even mentioned me, and my read on GGT is the same with or without him directing anything at me. I am generally of the opinion that town reads aren't of much use D1, but I was pressured to name some earlier and I named yourself and VE, for basically the same reasons. I felt that you were both applying pressure when needed, you were both driving discussion, and both were being open and honest with your thoughts - all of which I think is helpful and thus I feel that you have been helpful for town up to this point. Does that mean I think you are both 100% town? No, but I feel confident in saying that I would not vote on either of you this cycle. To be honest the only other person I feel is slightly town atm is Nydus, but definitely not on the same level as you two. I have real issues with almost everyone else who I havent mentioned because I just feel their posts are void of strong feelings and I don't like that style of play. Namely I feel like Damdred, scott, Onegu, and Fideu (just off the top of my head) are not giving us anything to work with, their posts are void of reads and strong opinions, and while Damdred has asked a lot of questions and put a bit of pressure on at times, he is still guilty of not giving us his thoughts (though he said this is how he plays and that he will wait to make a stronger case when he is ready - which I intend to hold him too, if Day 1 ends and he is still guilty of what I outlined above I will have some real questions about him because he has been active enough and seems experiences and good enough to give some solid reads but has yet to do so). I think scott and fideu are new so I can understand the reluctance to stick their necks out on anything but I don't feel that is a real excuse, they still need to share their thoughts on things. Onegu seems to have arrived late on the scene but already his posting style is suspicious to me, much too much joking around; while this is normal and understandable at the start of the game, I feel like there is plenty of content to actually address, which he has not done. Can anyone tell me if this is normal posting from Onegu?


Kick, I've been reading you town so far this game, but can you please not make posts like this? This wall of text is really hard on my eyes and is painful to read. I bet a lot of people just skipped it or skimmed it.

I also agree with ritoky's take on that post. It's a lot of words that don't say much. You're mostly rehashing stuff you've already said or that have been expressed in the thread already.


q.q I thought I was the one who gave him hell not ritoky
Damdred
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June 04 2015 01:27 GMT
#594
On a more serious note id probably lynch into this group today any questions just ask

kick
templars
chocolate

I'm leaving of fi now because his post was...interesting.

but have to look again tomorrow at a few.
Damdred
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June 04 2015 01:37 GMT
#598
That troll ritoky gets none none I tell you. Bit seriously that just made me chuckle
Damdred
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June 04 2015 15:32 GMT
#684
And who would you want to lynch if you had a choice chocolate
Damdred
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June 04 2015 15:54 GMT
#696
Chocolate ignore ve. Currently you aren't getting lynched (I think) and you have 4 or so hours to convince thread of your target.

Now I suggest going through filters and finding someone you think is scummy and presenting it rather than martyring and trying to male someone look stupid for thinking your scum
Damdred
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June 04 2015 16:16 GMT
#702
Its pretty annoying half of the people keep throwing my name out for lynch but won't actually push me or try to lynch me.

So lets go if you think I'm scum male a case push me instead of half pushing
Damdred
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June 04 2015 16:41 GMT
#708
Kick isn't low hanging fruit, chocolate is borderline depending, template maybe. But going after people who did scummy things isn't alignment indicative as you seem to infer.

not sure why me not wanting to lynch fi because you said it before makes me scum?

Totally a misrepresentation of what's going on in the thread at this point in time. In fact pretty sure I have more wouldn't lynch reads, but that's not the point. The point is that kick was giving everyone hard times about giving reads and not doing so himself and when pressed didn't even answer the questions applied to him. So how does this make me scum?

Not sure why someone ignoring questions getting called on it and only responding when he's pinged out makes me scum rather it makes me someone who cares about if his questions are followed up on.

Not sure what more you want in the first few hours of the game?

None of this makes me scum a majority of it makes me town and you neither state why it males me scum or any conclusion you bring yourself on the matter.
Damdred
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June 04 2015 16:52 GMT
#714
There's actually not much wishy washy in my play?

Its not hypocrisy when I'm not screaming at people and demanding reads.... Making an observation on someone doing that isn't the same thing.

I don't actually believe you believe anything you say
Damdred
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June 04 2015 16:54 GMT
#715
GG postings aren't horrible hrm.
Damdred
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June 04 2015 17:04 GMT
#722
Because what you are bringing against me just sounds fake at points
Damdred
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June 04 2015 17:07 GMT
#724
Not really, for example you put it as a scum point that I used some of the same words to describe fi post(?) that is just fake to me.

I honestly don't care if I get lynched today or not but its not going to be for that stuff.

Just explain why it makes me scum
Damdred
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June 04 2015 17:25 GMT
#729
If we policy lynch id rather lynch SL than oneg though because oneg has tl family things
Damdred
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June 04 2015 18:21 GMT
#740
I'm actually at a weird point. Its kind of hard for me to decide who I want to lynch, sl is totally absent but he usually cares a lot when he's scum and not as much as town unless he's confirmed or something.

kick is totally absent leading up to lynch which is a huge red flag to me.

GG postings make me not want to lynch him.

I think Milo is okish just being badish with his read on me.

Its a weird day, ve looks ok to at this point hate the ninja vote though.

Damdred
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June 04 2015 18:22 GMT
#741
Also Scotts right and id rather give oneg time meh
Damdred
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June 04 2015 18:53 GMT
#762
Can we lynch ks for voting GG dissapearing and not caring leading up to voe and having no real reads of his own. The nylis read he discarded under pressure and honestly besides shit fighting with me which he called omgus he has 0 follow up at this point or seemed to care that the people he wanted to give reads have given reads or not instead pushing a thread sentiment wagon onto GG
Damdred
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June 04 2015 19:02 GMT
#765
I don't understand the point tick. GG has actually shown a pretty towny mindset to me going towards the lynch here.

KS has been pretty scummy imo
Damdred
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June 04 2015 19:06 GMT
#767
On June 05 2015 04:00 ritoky wrote:
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On June 05 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
Can we lynch ks for voting GG dissapearing and not caring leading up to voe and having no real reads of his own. The nylis read he discarded under pressure and honestly besides shit fighting with me which he called omgus he has 0 follow up at this point or seemed to care that the people he wanted to give reads have given reads or not instead pushing a thread sentiment wagon onto GG


i think this is his reads post:

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On June 04 2015 16:31 Kickstart wrote:
On June 04 2015 15:36 scott31337 wrote:
Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?


milo and SL, did mention my issues with chocolate before and it seems he is getting a lot of heat atm, will see that happens there.

My "willing to lynch" list is going to be quite long, not sure if that is good or bad D:.

GGT, milo, SL, chocolate, and possibly damdred but it all depends on what he posts before the end of the day. That is probably the order I would choose as well, SL and chocolate kind of the same in the order though, SL for the reasons I stated earlier and for now just afking and chocolate because I had already been suspicious of him and it seems that the two people I think are town (ritocky and VE) are both going on him.


but yes he was kinda on me when it was fashionable, then on milo when it was fashionable, then on templar when it is fashionable. he never seems to lead from the front of a lynch despite being the 2nd loudest person in the game, which is why he is in my null zone. coupled w/ the weird nydus thing and some other shit i can't remember off the top of my head.


Idk it just doesn't seem like actual reasonable reads to me? Especially considering the fuss he pulled about reads

but yea he's saying a lot without saying a ton of content
His case on gg doesn't make gg mafia.
Shit fights for mo reason, when we finish he doesn't say I'm scum cause of this he says its just because I don't like him.

I just think he's scum and yea.
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June 04 2015 19:10 GMT
#770
Why is kick town tick
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June 04 2015 19:22 GMT
#777
Ummm? I don't get that read at all.

Give me my lynch, lynch Ks thread
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June 04 2015 19:24 GMT
#779
If you fucking think I'm scummy lynch me don't wait for next cycle idiots
Damdred
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June 04 2015 19:34 GMT
#791
...im not really tunneled?

I just think your scummy and I want my lynch
Damdred
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June 04 2015 19:34 GMT
#792
Ritoky why no trust me
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June 04 2015 19:35 GMT
#793
On June 05 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote:
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On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote:
and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment.


This is the 2nd person to lightly deflect off of SL in recent memory....what exactly has he done to warrant this?


I'm ok with ls or ks tbh
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June 04 2015 19:48 GMT
#802
Case on kick start:

Posts are quite large but lack a lot of content that the length of posts shoud curtail.

Hounds people for reads but when confronted for his own reads he gives only smoke scum read that is rehashed fom others in the thread, sl scum read at this point is an afterthought and feels contrived.

When asks about a town read gives a weak list post, and when confronted on another read that doesn't make sense he backs off of it completely.

Shit fights me with for calling his posts out. Instead of concluding I'm scum from such things he concludes I just don't like him.

Talks to me like I'm town and just tunneled on him instead of one of his top scum reads.

Has sheeped thread sentiment almost at every turn.

condensed feelings
Damdred
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June 04 2015 19:54 GMT
#806
Also on phone so was harder to type lol
Damdred
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June 04 2015 20:00 GMT
#811
If you think someone is scummy how are they being good for the town... That's nonsense
Damdred
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#816
Scum atrat can be to hide being walls of nothing... Its classic scum
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#830
On June 05 2015 05:15 Tictock wrote:
Ok Damdred let me address why I don't like your case then.

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On June 05 2015 04:48 Damdred wrote:
Case on kick start:

Posts are quite large but lack a lot of content that the length of posts shoud curtail.


Ok yes, this is a scumtell. However it also seems consistent enough that it could just be his style of writing. I'd rather give him a chance to start making better posts than lynch him today for this.

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Hounds people for reads but when confronted for his own reads he gives only smoke scum read that is rehashed fom others in the thread, sl scum read at this point is an afterthought and feels contrived.

This applies to a lot of people actually. In fact my biggest issue with ritoky is very similar. He hounds me for not liking one post and saying my reads are weak, but when I look at his own reads I think they are some of the more lacking this game.

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When asks about a town read gives a weak list post, and when confronted on another read that doesn't make sense he backs off of it completely.

Humm, I should relook at that interaction, that is actually fairly scummy. I didn't look at it that way at first.

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Shit fights me with for calling his posts out. Instead of concluding I'm scum from such things he concludes I just don't like him.

Again, I'm relating this to my exchange with ritoky. I came out concluding that we dont like each other, but I'm not really seeing much scum on him.

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Talks to me like I'm town and just tunneled on him instead of one of his top scum reads.

Has sheeped thread sentiment almost at every turn.

condensed feelings


I'm not sure I agree with the rest of your points, they aren't bad but ... idk I'm getting the feeling this is similar overreacting to stuff like what happened early in the game with milo.


Ehats the point of concluding someone just doesn't like you if you are scum reading them? It should 100% be that scum os trying to push a mislynch but look how kick is reacting at first.

Damdred just doesn't like me.

Damdred is tunneled.

If he legitimately thinks I'm scum the first thought should be damdred is scum frying to lynch me the firstbtwonreactions are iinfrring I'm being bad town not scum.
Damdred
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June 04 2015 20:27 GMT
#833
I'll be BAck in 15. Trust me Lyn h ks
Damdred
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June 04 2015 20:39 GMT
#851
Scott, do you think I'm town.

Why don't you feel a ks lynch
Damdred
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June 04 2015 20:40 GMT
#853
It actually makes sense ritoky 2 mafia up for lynch bus the fuck out of your team mate not do this meh.
Damdred
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June 04 2015 20:43 GMT
#858
On June 05 2015 05:41 ritoky wrote:
not everyone is a busaholic like us damdred


It's optimal in that situation though not unnecessary
Damdred
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June 04 2015 21:39 GMT
#910
I'm not sure why ritoky and myself should get all the blame? The logical,thing is if you are so scared you are getting lynched claim when there's time to parse the information.

My points had value, he did do questionable,things .

Tick immediately moving to discredit someone who steeped and the leader of the wagon is interesting
Damdred
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June 04 2015 22:03 GMT
#917
I'm pretty sure tick is Scum here.

A mislynch happens you don't blame people that's just silly and a discrediting tactic. Was my case bad, no. Was it wrong yes.

Damdred
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June 05 2015 15:18 GMT
#976
On June 05 2015 16:03 scott31337 wrote:
Damdred posts a lot of null/blah shit when he's mafia (or town) and it's hard to distinguish which side he's on. He's more of a busser (votes for his mafia peeps) - And doesn't want to take a stance so it'll mess up his "meta" for future games.

VE is a little more aggressive as town but to be honest he's a tough one to read as well. He has more of a hard-on as mafia. I do not see that as of yet.




This is the largest pile of shit that anyones ever said about my game. I don't care about my meta at all, I trash my meta at all times to get wins, i'm about elevating scum game not de valuing town game. I give plenty of hard stances/opinions all of the time so don't try to explain my meta without fully understandin git
Damdred
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June 05 2015 15:19 GMT
#977
On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Alright, looking back I think I've focused too much on defense and not enough time pushing my reads. Here's where I'm at
Chocolate Town
VE Mafia

I really don't want to get into that again. But I think that this is the way things do and should line up.

Other reads:
Ritocky is super town from the combination of both his activity level and the thought he puts into the game. I called him nitpicky earlier, but as the game goes on I appreciate the pressure he is putting on.

Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.

Fidei is town just for doing for the long, clear, and well-written way he conveys his thought processes. I've never felt jarred by of his logic.

Damdred is scum. His vote on Kickstart and the way he has been playing is so noncommital.

I still like Templar. You people don't understand his utterly dopey playstyle in video mafia. He plays here like he does there.

The problem with these reads is that means only one scum voted on Kickstart. And that's a real problem. I'll rethink this in the morning with my Onegu/Ticktock/Scott/New Guy sequel.


These two statements don't belong together...since yo know I commited to lynching KS and drove the lynch?
Damdred
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June 05 2015 15:31 GMT
#978
Response to case:

1) Scum can not care about the lynch generally if people are on town. Scum can decide to just not care about be around for the lynch if its going there way that day. KS was very active at all points of the game before final day leading up to the lynch.

2) The points against KS aren't that bad and are pretty solid, you even call them not horrible. You just disagreed with them. That doesn't make them bad.

3) Nobody has ever explained why i'm middle of the road, I have distinct town reads and distinct scum reads. Just don't get the point and it doesn't make me scum, if I wasn't taking hard stances on people I could see thep oint but I have.

4) scum reading people while they aren't in the thread isn't alignment indicative O_o, if you keep things until someones here you won't get a lot of work done in 24 hours. By comparison I could say that you are guilty of the same thing when its clear that I am not in the thread why would you do such a thing.

I was wrong, kick played his claim badly and got killed. That doesn't make me scum, what you are saying though is that one of the most vocal players in the thread, who took one of the most drastic stances in the game and pushed a lynch until it happens is scum. None of this makes me scum and in fact its not a very strong case that generally follows a narrative with you fitting in this stuff to try to make me look scummy
Damdred
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June 05 2015 16:21 GMT
#979
Damdreds read list

Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109

Started out coloring in the super confirmed kickstart to the thread.

Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109

Damdred is confirmed town to me, firstly he took one of the hardest stances in the game pushing kickstarters lynch through to the end. He also was one of the more controversial players in the game and as ver says they typically tend to never be mafia due to them sticking their necks out and the like. Though he was wrong about KS it showed a real thought progress on the game and thinking critically. The only scenario where Damdred could be mafia is if Chocolate is mafia, which goes against his meta of just not hammering out his partner who is under massive pressure. Overall he could be more active and assertive but I find the charges against him to be pretty meh, hes taken several hard stances in the game and has documented scum reads and pushed his lynch through who he has stated several times prior to eod that he did not like.

My second town read at this point is GGTemplars, while earlier I called him out for some pretty shoddy postings. His return and push on several things looks incredibly towny to me. His rapid fire postings when he was on the block and knew that he was more than likely the one to face the lynch (as there was little to no push on anyone else at that point) plus his wanting to get his final thoughts and feelings out on who he thought was scum. Was extremely telling to me, his case on tick was pretty good as well it showed a decent thought process. However there are a few negatives to go along with him that need to be looked at as the game continues, once he escaped the block he was very rarely in the thread pushing his tick lynch. It is a bit meh but i'm still reasonably sure that he is town here but he does have a couple problems that should be looked into deeper in the coming days.

Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109

Milo is town. Mafia would never risk being mod killed like this to try to save a blue role. He unvoted and faced a mod kill for not voting? Some of his postings look ok, I think hes pretty far off on a few things but im pretty confident that hes town in this situation

I think Scott is really towny in his postings. Early on he had soe issues with activity. He didn't spring my scum trap that I set on him and his postings during the night phase look decent. I think hes dreadfully wrong/bad when it comes to me and hopefully it doesn't become a donkey over the next phase but we will see. He clearly has reads, follow through on thigns that he cares about, and a good thought process going forward. Hes a pretty solid town read at this point.

Tictock(1): sicklurker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu


I'm currently not going to read SL as I have no real information but mafia do love to throw there votes out in the ether and do nothing about it. He also did something similar as mafia in one of the newb games where he got little to no pressure early and just afk'd his life away. Really need to see the replacement step up but sl is a decent policy lynch at this point.

VE is town to me, he has a good push and is just thought vomiting all over the thread whenever he can. He has good follow up and questions people when they have odd reactions that he wouldn't normally expect from them. I admit I SUCK at reading VE but i'm decent convinced at this juncture that VE is town.

Tictock(1): sicklurker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

NydusHerMain is scum I believe. Reading through his filter he gives little to no actual thoughts to the thread overall, he is a bit sideline for me hes never directly involved in any confrontation. He states people are scummy (ie., he says ritoky is scummy) but never really does anything with it, he throws the thought into the thread and just sort of morphs back into the aether to post again another day. He asks at one point if he is invisible, yes, yes he is probably one of the most invisible players in the game. He pushes very little and stays under the radar his read post that he posted during the night was pretty bad to me, his scum reads weren't fleshed out and lacked any depth and also the scum team he propposd just didn't make sense with us triple bussing each other when we had two town up for lynch? It just feels fake to me.

Chocolate is town I believe, he does have some problems with him. Some of his early things that he said were pretty grating to me. VE jumping on him put him under a lot of pressure and he was one of the leading candidates going into eod, in fact once GG came back he was the only candidate. However his response to this was pretty interesting, he pushed off his own wagon onto someone who wasn't getting lynched, but then he did vote KS to survive which isn't alignment indicative. However a lot of his responses at eod I liked and right now its enough to town read him.


Tictock(1): sicklurker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Onegu is another one of those players I can't read well currently. Hes just another policy lynch until he does more things, he can not post much as either alignment but seems to care more as scum but also is more lurky as scum. Sooo just need more time with him.

I think Ritoky is town, i'm sort of torn currently. He is the most active poster in the game and the most vocal which point to him being town. He is also a lot more serious without a lot of obvious scum reads. At the same time he just wasn't sure end of day where he wanted to go and he sheeped someone who he wasn't sure if they were town or not but he seemed to like my case. So there is a possibility that this is scum ritoky without reads trying to direct the game, but my gut still says hes town. He just has some issues that he needs to figure out.


Tictock(1): sicklurker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

I am generally really unsure of ticktock, at points in the game I had a decent feeling that he was town, at others like after eod when he tried to push all of the blame on myself and ritoky (not even sure why rit would get blame there) it felt scummy to do. His case on me is wrong but it shows some form of effort going into the game, which might indicate a town ticktock. I'm in the lurch when it comes to him because the effort points to a town (when scum really wouldnt' have to do much just survive at this point in the game an dlet others push a mislynch durin ght enight).

I do not know how to read fidei86, basically I feel like hes scum but hes a brand new player to. From the failed unvote to save kickstart to some weird posts earlier in his filter that leads to dumbtells it just drives me crazy to an extent. And i'm not sure if its scummy or not.

However I will say this, Chocolate Could very well be scum here and a Ritoky, Chocolate and NydusHerMain team makes a lot of sense to me and it should to everyone else. Chocolate does just enough to survive and leaves the door open to ritoky who hesitates just enough and jumps on KS is super active up until KS claims but isn't around to unvote until near after (I believe). It makes sense and saving a scum partner might be preferable here.

I'm just not sure, that case is actually a good idea that I've been debating i'll think about it more going into tomorrow. But this is where i'm at, 4 nulls, 1 scum, a gut town read on ritoky that i'm worried about. Chocolate who i'm more worried about than I let on.
Damdred
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June 05 2015 17:28 GMT
#981
Just thought dumping. Obviously I still have issues shrug.

Damdred
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June 05 2015 18:00 GMT
#987
I'm paranoid rit, I still think your town just... Yeah
Damdred
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June 05 2015 18:05 GMT
#988
Like I want to say tickyock is the scum on chocolate fid is the scum on Ks and games solved because that seems right. But something is just weird right now
Damdred
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June 05 2015 18:23 GMT
#990
Idk the SL vote looks the best to me I think at this stage because of how long he was gone from the thread before being replaced. It was before any wagons really formed at that juncture.

Onegs looks bad, nydus looks bad as well.

Damdred
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June 05 2015 18:26 GMT
#991
Yeah ritoky is town I think screw paranoia
Damdred
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June 05 2015 19:10 GMT
#997
On June 06 2015 04:02 ritoky wrote:
i think your 1gu read is flavored by the vote being on you. i don't think SL's vote colors him better. i have parked a vote on a teammate or rando really early for a shitty/trolly reason and left it there all phase before as mafia. and i have seen many others do it too. palmar likes to make pinatas out of people who do that. so dunno where the SL looks best comes from.

i think i have come to the realization that i am going to have to trust some1 else's read on nydus all game. i won't be getting one any time soon.

and of course i am town, you'll know for certain in a couple hours when the mafia shoots me in the face and i flip town.


I'm probably lynched tommorow rit so its ok.

It looks better in the sense that SL voted early and then out of game things made him quit the game. Oneg looks worse to me as he voted me near eod really didn't push me and didn't try to influence the other wagons.
Damdred
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June 05 2015 19:22 GMT
#1002
Lol I'm not really being whiney honestly.

But all these dumb tells, non op reading people
Damdred
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June 05 2015 20:52 GMT
#1016
I'm much more sure on n than on tick
Damdred
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June 05 2015 21:03 GMT
#1019
Correct phone ! posting is hard someyimes
Damdred
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June 05 2015 21:44 GMT
#1025
Day one associations are bad because of lack of information and little content to go on.

We have information at this point that helps us narrow the field. Like Gg and tick can't be Scum together.

You also lack any form of cognitive reasoning why x or y is Scum. Even when asked you just said names without any reasoning.

So yea scummy
Damdred
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June 06 2015 01:58 GMT
#1043
Why did both of you suddenly drop your scum reads on damdred?

tick built a case on me and oneg was so sure I was scum he single voted on me.

Neither of you are pushing me now when... Nothing had happened
Damdred
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June 06 2015 02:47 GMT
#1049
I'm actually not sure that it makes you scum since you interacted with respinses I gave but I'm not sure if you've interacted with all my reads.

Hiwever oneg is probably the worst offender here I think...
Damdred
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June 06 2015 03:52 GMT
#1056
So let me get this straight, you e played like one game with me and think you can mets read me and have a firm grasp of my game?

But your meta read is that I don't help town as either alignment that's bullshit Scott, total bullshit.
Damdred
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June 06 2015 04:01 GMT
#1059
On June 06 2015 10:58 Damdred wrote:
Why did both of you suddenly drop your scum reads on damdred?

tick built a case on me and oneg was so sure I was scum he single voted on me.

Neither of you are pushing me now when... Nothing had happened


This post is another stir the pot bullshit and I do not like it. You have me shit on my meta read post earlier. Yes your play is so generic as either side and not willing to help town when you are actually town.


Literally this is one of the dumbest posts that I've ever seen you make scott.

Your meta read is shit, and you can ask anyone who has played any decent amount of games with me and they can tell you this is shit.

The post isn't stiring the pot when its an actual fact, People have scum read on Damdred took time to make case, one of them only pushed me. Suddenly both drop damdred and focus on chocolate.

Damdred
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June 06 2015 04:12 GMT
#1062
Scott is literally not reading the thread. I might be wrong on him being town then
Damdred
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June 06 2015 04:21 GMT
#1067
I really don't give a shit, when I scum read people I don't attack their game play and call it generic or shit I typically show people a great deal of respect and try to not belittle.

Could be right. Oneg or nhm would be preferable I suppose.
Damdred
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June 06 2015 04:24 GMT
#1068
Honestly I'm not doing this I made a promise I wouldn't get upset over this game. And I'm not so I'm going to bed
Damdred
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June 06 2015 17:42 GMT
#1171
i'll read the thread at some point. Obviously I gave a reason why I think oneg looks bad and why I voted him *shrug*
Damdred
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June 06 2015 17:56 GMT
#1174
Damdred sheeps VE cause reasons
Damdred
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June 06 2015 18:01 GMT
#1175
Anyway i'm mostly caught up.

Firstly I don't think the oneg/Chezinu rule applies to me here. Firstly I wasn't the first person to put scum on oneg or to vote oneg I believe. (the chez rule is a fine rule XD) Secondly I have/had a decent reason to vote on oneg at that moment in time. He had a scum read on me, then pushed someone else next phase without a mention of me.

VE is obvious town here, his case on GG isn't horrible its decent to sheep. I'm still not sure that it makes GG mafia personally I think that Nyus is more mafia than GG at this point. But VE seems so sure i'm just willing to trust him here.
Damdred
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June 06 2015 19:19 GMT
#1178
On June 07 2015 03:36 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 03:01 Damdred wrote:
Anyway i'm mostly caught up.

Firstly I don't think the oneg/Chezinu rule applies to me here. Firstly I wasn't the first person to put scum on oneg or to vote oneg I believe. (the chez rule is a fine rule XD) Secondly I have/had a decent reason to vote on oneg at that moment in time. He had a scum read on me, then pushed someone else next phase without a mention of me.

VE is obvious town here, his case on GG isn't horrible its decent to sheep. I'm still not sure that it makes GG mafia personally I think that Nyus is more mafia than GG at this point. But VE seems so sure i'm just willing to trust him here.


Good luck Dam, I've been trying to argue that point in regards to GG and myself... These easy strats are too strong! Maybe if Chez were here himself we wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but since he is not I don't believe we can follow his rule.

I'm also a little hurt you overlooked my own case. Do you not care about what I think if it's not in regards to you?

I get it, you still think I could be scum here. Just don't leave those blinders on too long. Tunnels are bad, Don't stay in Tunnels, mmm'k?

@ Onegu

Trolls live under bridges, bridges are really just tunnels over the water, thus trolls live near tunnels and tunnels are bad.

+ Show Spoiler +
Please include the occasional post with some logic/reasoning. I think I get your style, but, assuming your town, don't make yourself an easy mislynch.


I'm not so sure you are scum I don't know.

But yea normally the chez rule applies to chez....
Damdred
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June 07 2015 12:55 GMT
#1285
So I really don't care for GG attitude here. However nydus postings especially who could be scum doesn't make much sense to me... Besides everyone in the whole game?

If we lynch me today I'm okish with it I've been real busy lately meh.

Anyway SL slots sudden change from town reading me now to partially scum reading me is interesting.

I think tick is townish currently to. Kinda not sure what to do today.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 13:22 GMT
#1288
How about we lynch sls slot or nydus, literally nydus still has no reads (well has some just that chocolate wagon all town rest of game scum).

Kinda meh even about lynching the Sl slot though
Damdred
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June 07 2015 13:48 GMT
#1294
I think it's kinda null, a town tunneled on for two days could do it or a mafia who is trying to give up no information.

GG posts read like he believes what he says though and well it's not like he isn't giving information just refusing to re-evaluate is the problem at this point.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 13:55 GMT
#1296
And I'm not trying to be disrespectful to shen by saying Sl slot. Like I don't actually think shen is the commonest player by far but the Scum,team I feel like is in

Oneg(highly unlikely now)
Shen
Fi
GG
Chocolate
Nylus

Those are the commonest players to me atm. Shen is still in a weird place due to Sl. However I think shen has a fair chance to be town because of effort and looking at past games so I'd probably remove him.

To also answer a previous question oneg tries harder as suck than town but that doesn't mean he lurks less as Scum. It seems contradictory but it's just sorta how he does it.

And I really don't want to lynch oneg today so,it's in between 4 people. Even Fi I'd be ok with not lynching, chocolate has been even less here than I have it feels like, Nylus hasn't tried anything today and is just trying to fit in. GG is weird and not actually looking at the,game anymore.

Damdred
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June 07 2015 14:00 GMT
#1297
And Yeah I know in being contradictory when it comes for shen. Saying one second I'd be ok then the next not. Just going through thoughts and it's a hard game
Damdred
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June 07 2015 14:05 GMT
#1301
Uhhh why?
Damdred
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June 07 2015 14:11 GMT
#1304
Ok so all your going to do is say I found mafia on one person and be uselessbasically.

I think tick can be and is probably town shrug
Damdred
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June 07 2015 14:41 GMT
#1315
You aren't very convincing and basically think Scum team is tripple bussing themselves at points.

Its not logical. At all.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 14:47 GMT
#1317
Anyway I won't sit here and argue about your suck team.

Tick has been towny, 've has vommited town all game. I'm town lead lynch d1.

You aren't trying to 're evaluate anything
Damdred
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June 07 2015 15:12 GMT
#1323
Ehhh I kinda want to lynch nydas or chocolate today.

And you are just bad or scum oneg.

Anyway Gg attitude makes me hesitate here no survival really going on bah.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 15:13 GMT
#1325
I still also say it's the height of idiocy to say I never take stands when town reads are a stand. And I took a stand and lynched ks.

That's crazy
Damdred
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June 07 2015 15:59 GMT
#1339
Yeah I really don't care if we lynch Gg and he's town he is a cancer to the thread.

I really doubt he is mafia but I won't cry if he dies. He says he reevaluated but you haven't. You have funneled on tick and have barely interacted with him. His activity push on you actually looks good. Plus his willingness to look at people again and again looks good. He could be Scum I suppose having an amazing game foe him,but he isn't the lynch today.

So let's talk about something else whoever is here.

Shen tell me why you hate chocolate at eod so,much.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 18:14 GMT
#1374
On June 08 2015 03:03 scott31337 wrote:
I think Damdred is bussing.


Honestly this is the first time someone has said this so far this game.

I disagree obviously I'm a bit aware of,my meta so it's not as strong. But when I bus I take a much more assertive tone and don't jump all over the place.

However I still don't know exactly why I'm Scum to people. This weird generic/middle of,the road complaint. Which I personally don't thunk is right considering I have given out multiple reads when people were using this.

Also IDK why someone said 've isn't saying anything...when he is.

I would lynch chocolate or Gg today.

Also I'm not sure shen, I need another night to look at him unless we kill me today obviously.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 18:18 GMT
#1376
On June 08 2015 03:12 Shendelzare wrote:
I know the primary concern with Damdred from a few people was that he was middle of the road at least day one. I might have to look at that again to verify. On a first read, he didn't look bad at all.

For day two, he appeared to be reevaluating people but if he has a decent track record as mafia it could alternatively be a world where he's trying to hold out and see where people's opinions fall. That's a potential mafia world for Damdred. I don't think it makes him mafia. Not yet.

Last I checked, he wants to lynch NHM and Chocolate. But then he asks me why I want to lynch Chocolate. Could be for a number of reasons.

NHM has some points since he started pushing her, but I don't know whether if it's because he disagrees with her or if he still feels she's too inactive or what.

I'm also going to assume that if Damdred is a skilled mafia player (is he?) then he probably knows and has bussed teammates before. If that's a wrong assumption to make then someone say something.

I think Templar had Damdred on his scumlist. If they are both scum it means they are double bussing. I guess it's possible.


Meta wise I am known as a busser I don't soft bus I go evil keneval with my busses jumping over or crashing into app my partners to carry myself to victory!

But on a non ego stroking honesty way, I'm decent as Scum but rely on bus cred to much.

I'm better as town then Scum usually. Just is a hard game
Damdred
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June 07 2015 18:19 GMT
#1377
Also asked you about chocolate to try to get a better read on you.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 19:49 GMT
#1380
Hmmmm so Scott explain all your scum reads please.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 20:09 GMT
#1384
I Hobestly want to lynch chocolate for trying to skirt the rules. That's really crappy
Damdred
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June 07 2015 20:11 GMT
#1386
I'm not sure exactly how me sticking my neck out d1 to plead the lynch makes you super suspicious. I don't think,I've ever been that proactive as Scum moving into the eod especially going so strong.

Also I explained why I was sleeping ve,
Damdred
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June 07 2015 20:58 GMT
#1394
First one was a warning but chocolate was flaunting the rules so was warned harsher basically, however he was able to,be in the thread and see that instantly. We should,lynch him Tommorow.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 21:08 GMT
#1401
Yeah actually Gg is being that bad, has a cancerous attitude that makes it generally unpleasant to talk to that isn't really helpful to the game so idc if he's town or Scum. However 've is pretty sure he's Scum so I trust him.
Damdred
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June 07 2015 21:37 GMT
#1406
That's sad but chocolate is probably mafia here
Damdred
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June 07 2015 22:12 GMT
#1415
Are you that sure about Fi and chocolate milo
Damdred
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June 07 2015 23:41 GMT
#1417
You said that there were at least two scum on Templars right?
Damdred
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June 08 2015 01:12 GMT
#1430
Explain your reads then chocolate
Damdred
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June 08 2015 02:14 GMT
#1439
Would be nifty if that were the scum team
Damdred
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June 08 2015 19:15 GMT
#1508
First thing I want to do is look at the two different votes going on at the EoD.

Day 1
Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, ritoky, VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): Kickstart, Tictock, NydusHerMain, Scott, VisceraEyes
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, milo109, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109

Day 2
Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

Strangely I am the only person to vote on both town wagons.

Oneg and Shen (SL) wasted votes day 1.

Milo didn't vote d1 (voted ks at first) risked some form of mod kill, wasted his vote d2. This begs the question if milo was so sure that Templar was town why did he waste his vote necessarily? I want to expand on this a bit before I move on to talk about players more specifically because something hit me.

Day 2 milo wastes his vote on me, when he has a super hard town read on GGtemplar, apparently he also has a slight town read on Ticktock at one point saying

Tictock is town. Same reason for my read on Fedei.


Which he somewhat goes back on here, or shows some doubt because he thinks GG was right.

On June 07 2015 22:02 milo109 wrote:
Sorry for being away. Life and all that. Just got up, reading to read through. But let me start by saying GG is the wrong lynch today. He's the only one with reads that align with me. Obviously, since I'm town, that's a good thing. Who semi-locks themselves into a lynch order as mafia? Yes, he's tunneling on Tictock, but he might even be right. When someone is that convinced of a read they'll get lynched for it, they're probably town. Mafia would back off here, waver. But Templar is doing his templar thing and getting annoyed at dumb town. And I agree.


He never ever ever ever, explains why the sudden shift from town reading tick to maybe GG is right to this

On June 08 2015 07:06 milo109 wrote:
Shoot. I didn't get back in time to see the Tictock wagon build. He would have been a much better lynch.


He never pushes me, never pushes tick. Never elaborates on why tick is mafia. He NEVER voted with his townread Templar when he had the chance and the possibility of saving him.

He also hypothesizes that there will be two mafia on GG Templar if tick is mafia, but never elaborates why tick is mafia he does state this however.

On June 08 2015 09:08 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:41 Damdred wrote:
You said that there were at least two scum on Templars right?

IF ticktock is scum. Which I'm not certain about, though the votes on him look pretty good.


Never explains beyond tick helped lead a lynch on town.

The only thing milo has going for him is that he fell into the ambiguous rule d1 of not voting for good reason. This has me really questioning whether this is a decent reason to ignore him at this point. He keeps blaming everyone and even though apparently he can think critically and come to some conclussions such as Templar being town he is unable to come to any such conclussions on why some people are scum. Milo is really worth another look here. Also its bothering me more and more as tiem goes along that he had the state of mind to instantly unvote but not vote the other wagon to save the JK I suppose.

Shen is really town. Keeps revisiting and trying to find things. Nothing much to say about this.

VE is vomiting town I've said it all game and i'll keep saying it will never vote VE.
2
Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

Ticktock is so town it hurts me this game or that I even slightly scum read him earlier due to his reactions.Constantly re-evaluating and pushing the thread, asking questions trying to figure out peoples alignments. Its such a radical improvement. I really think hes town, his case wasn't bad at all d2 and parts of it rang true. Its a shame it wasn't on scum but the amount of effort really looks town to me.

Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

Scott is more than likely town, I think hes a dick this game. But hes not my top town, hes worth another look as the game goes along, hes been combative for no reason. And his reads feel a bit to static at other points for me without a lot of re-evaluation going on as the game progresses. Also the whole thing about me bussing and saying he liked everyone else voting on Templar felt a little contrived and over justifiable reasoning for trying to vote with a scum read. And his read on me is weird at some points he just straight calls me scum and others he just says hes super paranoid of me. It just makes me feel so weird about him.

Oneg... I think is town I didn't even know about the onegu rule I don't think it holds weight like the chez rule though. Anyway.

Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
Damdred(1): milo109


This leaves me in a world where I have to figure out Fidei86, chocolate, and NHM.

And i'm just not sure. Fi has been sorta meh at points but at othe rpoints I can really follow what he means and my gut says that hes probably town, and I haven't hated all of his postings. His reasoning for voting tick seemed pretty decent at points, I wouldn't lynch him tomorrow.

I would probably lynch between Chocolate or NHM. I think I would rather a chocolate lynch. Granted we probably should of lynched him yesterday to figure out exactly what happened d1 and the more I think about it, milo unvoting but nto voting chocolate is really eating at me. His constant excuses and promises of activity is really telling to me that hes scum just skating by.

I think that Chocolate is scum, he will be the person I push for lynch tomorrow.

NHM i'm just nto sure a lot of his posting seems contrived to me and sort of fake, his scum reads really don't hold much and he has little to no justification or anything to go with them.

So where i'm at right now is a scum team of

chocolate
NHM
Maybe Milo

Scott being in the outside on a maybe because what I said is really bothering me about him.

Any questions i'm here for another hour or so.
Damdred
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June 08 2015 19:19 GMT
#1509
Scott ninja'd me so i'd probably move him a bit more up then what I had him. Still a little suspicious of him, but that wasn't a bad post.
Damdred
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June 08 2015 19:57 GMT
#1513
Not sure where a lot of that came from(?)

One you haven't in any sense of the imagination proved why I a scum to the thread, you have said that I led a lynch on town KS. Which is true, but town lynches town all of the time. Saying I haven't taken any stances is vastly untrue, town reads are stances, driving a lynch is a stance.

You said that you thought he was correct or could be correct. Honestly if I think my town read is being voted off I vote the person who I think has a decent chance to be scum and try to not get my town read lynched? instead you were lazy and useless with your vote.

I never said that you were pushing scum on everyone, not anywhere in my post did I infer that. In fact you are just stating that X is scum you aren't pushing it with any reasonable thought process. You are using contrived reasoning to try to prove that myself and tick are scum for pushing a town wagon. Which happens a lot.

Once again you still haven't explained why any of us are scum, or why you specifically want to only lynch me, when I have taken a lot of stances this agme disproving everything you have said about me btw.

Also chocolate has been breaking eveyr promise he has made this game, and you refused to vote him d1 over our only blue role? that makes no sense to me, unless you are 100% sure of his alignment anyway.

As such i'm not really worried about town cred because generally only mafia CARE about how much town cred they have. For example you are relying on this "town cred" by unvoting without actually doing anything towny.

Milo is scum I think actually.
Damdred
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June 08 2015 20:11 GMT
#1516
Ummm? Its night? Its impossible to vote and night time is the time to revisit things?

You said Tick is possible scum, infact you did scum read him, or partialy scum read him. hes third on your list currently I believe as is shown in your filter.

You are getting so defensive because i'm looking at you, so are several other people. And you still refuse to give any answer as why i'm scum, because your read doesn't hold any water.

Promises are important in mafia, if you promise content and don't deliver on it... theres a good chance that you are scum, its a general rule.

So defensive for no reason?
Damdred
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June 08 2015 21:48 GMT
#1523
GG shen.

Its an interesting night kill, I was halfway expecting it to be VE or scott.

I'm not sure what to do quite yet, i'm debating if i'm just wrong on everything and need to look at everyone again or if i'm right and mafia just thinks today is the lynch damdred day.
Damdred
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June 08 2015 21:49 GMT
#1525
Its just really interesting to me that i'm the only person that was on both town wagons both days. Usually some lazy mafia would sneak in to secure a mislynch.

Its interesting but i'm nto sure if its important yet.

Damdred
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June 08 2015 21:59 GMT
#1527
I'm not sure how I pussy foot around exactly? I'm really tired of these strange reads that people can't really explain with examples etc.,

So most reads over the course of a game is wrong. That's part of mafia.

Yeah but I ended up thinking TT was town, and said so multiple times.

I am genuine

I'm not sure what this means, overall I've been pretty in control. I told scott what I thought especially since hes watched a lot of the games I've been in and knows that my meta is drastically different than what he has shown.
Damdred
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June 08 2015 22:07 GMT
#1530
I still don't see how its pussy footing around.

If you look at the first pages of almost everyones filter you will see mostly soft reads due to the non information that has started in games.

My biggest read was Ritoky early. I have a way to 100% read ritoky most of the time tbh. So I held back to make sure I was right and gave it. I also had good feelings about several other people.

People give town reads early as hunting into your non town reads is just as good as hunting into scummy people for others. Its just a preference.

Just don't get why so many people are trying to scum read me for it however.
Damdred
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June 08 2015 22:22 GMT
#1533
Basically what you are suggesting is that in a perfect world a horrible mafia team would self destruct against a good town.

Well this isn't a perfect world, people in the game haven't acted that towny at points. Myself included in that, as I know that I haven't been 100% towny this game.

Also you've just answered your own somewhat accusation of me having people 100% town. Obviously I don't if over a period of 24 hours I start relooking at milo and decide maybe he isn't as lock town as I had him even in the previous phase. Scott I had super high up as town and now hes middlish of the pack.

Tick I am really sure is town, and i'd probably be really happy if hes scum and beat me.

So no I don't think I am 100% sure that I think everyone is town xcept for four people. I think onegs town I guess but I wouldn't want to take him to lylo either (shrug).

Anyway before I got side track, sometimes town destroys town with the inability to get around tunnels, to not re evaluate the game. And sometimes town just acts dumb even against horrible scum teams.

Granted I havent' been perfect i'd rather just figure this out then be terrible and shout at the same person for hours they are scum..
Damdred
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June 08 2015 22:25 GMT
#1534
For example, someone like Choclate and Milo wont' fully explain there reads. Chocloate just promises that he will later but never does, milo just sort of exists and hopes his unvote at the eod1 carries him and just screams damdred is scum.

Its frustrating and if neither are scum its really unfortunate town would act that way. However its not out of the realm of possibility.

VE could be playing a decent scum game, there are points in which you could say hes not going about it with a towny mindset, could be. but hes looked towny at other points.

Soooo obviously i'm not voting myself and you and milo say we cant lynch into x players. who would you want me to look at lynching, convince me
Damdred
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June 08 2015 22:32 GMT
#1537
well idk we havw to figure that out as we go.

We have to lynch the scummiest person today obviously, do I think that's oneg I don't, but we should talk about everyone.
Damdred
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June 08 2015 22:56 GMT
#1539
Well tbh, both really misplayed the town alignment so i'm not going to hold that against tick. Also tick wasn't even on KS I believe(?)

And not sure what you mean by nothing sticks? I don't think a lot of the things said against him have been valid when compared to his gameplay I suppose?

Is tt the one you really want to lynch today (besides me obviously)
Damdred
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June 08 2015 23:05 GMT
#1541
A bit. But its a hard game.

Talk to me about Scott and TT, tell me why you think both are scum. which you would want to lynch and why.
Damdred
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June 09 2015 01:43 GMT
#1553
If we ignore the invite I couldn't tell you why he was towm. So no.

why would you ignore him nhm?

Fei we shouldn't look at one person we should evaluate everyone today.
Damdred
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June 09 2015 15:40 GMT
#1575
Well Milo I've asked several times for you to explain your reads today and you won't. All you keep saying is we should lynch outside this group which isn't really convincing.

My reason for thinking you were scum wasn't bad you are just being bad oneg if you are town.

Also I don't think a choco fid and Milo team makes a lot of sense meh
Damdred
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June 09 2015 15:58 GMT
#1577
Everyone busses to an extent. But oneg doesn't bus needlessly usually
Damdred
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June 09 2015 19:57 GMT
#1603
I guess you better come up with a better world milo, another solution explain yoru reads etc... you know try to play mafia?

Also I've read VE several times in my filter I believe, most of htem was that he was just playing pretty towny to me.

Also why is being wrong so much indicative of alignment? (I'll give you a hint its not btw)
Damdred
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June 09 2015 20:00 GMT
#1605
Why?
Damdred
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June 09 2015 20:05 GMT
#1609
Tahts not alignment indicative at all chocolate. People are wrong all the time, sometimes people are wrong all game and they are town. Sometimes scum are right all game.

It happens, but saying someone is scum because they have been wrong to often isn't...the best way to go about things. there has to be more to it than that.
Damdred
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June 09 2015 20:12 GMT
#1613
But you aren't explaining anything milo at all, you don't explain your scum reads you are just putting random teams up without pushing ANYONE.

@Chocolate, show me examples of attacking/chain saw defending then.
Damdred
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June 10 2015 00:15 GMT
#1638
Firstly rit reads me the best in the game. He read me as probably town XD. To bad nobody will believe him.

Secondly I was never on chocolate d1 to bus him. I believe I only voted once d1 and that was on ks. I did say bh I,believe that I didn't like chocolate but I only pushed nhm, and kick I believe d1.

Also feels like shennanies on me will happen.
Damdred
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June 10 2015 14:00 GMT
#1652
Uhhh but I think tick is town? I've said that for like 72 hours so far. While I can be wrong he's putting the most work in so id rather not vote him
Damdred
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June 10 2015 14:03 GMT
#1653
Anyway I have a bit more to talk about but I have something to do at a bakery for anniversary stuff so won't be here till later
Damdred
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June 10 2015 20:30 GMT
#1692
Guys you might ! honestly want to lynch me today. Milo and oneg will never vote for anyone else and if we get to lylo 2-1 I'll be there with one of them to lose the game.

It sucks but it's reality. I'm town I put in work and bads are tunneled on me. I'd probably vote chocolate today I suppose when I can. But it's worth talking about lynching me to
Damdred
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June 10 2015 20:32 GMT
#1693
Like I really feel like ve and tick are town as well as with oneg. Its a feeling on oneg rather than actual context on tick and 've. Might be wrong but it's how I feel.

Scott feels townish(?) With a hint of paranoia.

The others are weird.... so so weird
Damdred
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June 10 2015 21:05 GMT
#1694
::
Damdred
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June 10 2015 21:44 GMT
#1698
Obviously the most useful thing to do is to start telling people I told you so when people can't even try to act town this game.

Its really frustrating, especially people who keep doing all this throw it in their face but barely put in the work to try to convince anyone -_-
Damdred
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June 10 2015 21:46 GMT
#1699
I can't tell who is town and who isn't at this juncture to be frank. I wish I was scum but i'm not.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was any of you
Damdred
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June 10 2015 21:59 GMT
#1701
So let me get this straight... its the towns fault for someone acting super scummy all game? And then voting them off?

Ok.
Damdred
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June 10 2015 22:01 GMT
#1703
Ok explain to me how its towns fault? You explained a narrative of a world where chocolate was town, when chocolate himself didn't even really try to avoid the noose. Gave us little to no information the day he was going to be lynched, kept promising activity and never really delivered. And was overall pretty scummy...

Sooo?
Damdred
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June 10 2015 22:05 GMT
#1706
He acted scummy as fuck Fidei, he never tried to not get lynched today. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, I don't care if this is your first or your 100th game, if someone acts scummy as hell gets voted out and flips town I won't say bad town, bad bad.

I'll look back see what went wrong and try to correct it. Chocolate was town it makes the first days vote really interesting.
Damdred
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June 10 2015 22:16 GMT
#1708
Look at it this way with all of the confirmed information that we have

Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, ritoky, VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
[green]GGTemplar(1):[/green\ Kickstart, Tictock, NydusHerMain, Scott, VisceraEyes
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, milo109, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109

We now know all three major wagons d1 were town. GGTemplar, chocolate and Kickstart.

What does this tell us? Scum was in the most excellent position D1 due to how thread crapped the bed trying to find scum and how people were going about it.

What would scum motivation be for moving to Kickstart when I pushed the wagon? What would scums motivation be to unvote town kickstart and not vote town chocolate there? With another town up for lynch they could stay put and fake afk or some such.

I don't see much scum motivation going into the lynch to really be that active and do much of anything or want to move the vote. Or even be useful.

I think i'm pretty safe in thinking that Fidei is town here, sounds really to passionate for a first time player on the verge of a loss. It just resonates with me and feels right. So i'll go on and color him in green.


Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, ritoky, VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
[green]GGTemplar(1):[/green\ Kickstart, Tictock, NydusHerMain, Scott, VisceraEyes
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, milo109, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

The most amazing thing is that this makes the entirety of the KS wagon town. Which means to me at this juncture at least 2 scum have to be inside

VE, Scott, Ticktock and Onegu. Milo is still an outside possibility for a third scum I think, but it hink at this juncture especially with chocolate flipping town its much more likely that he was town, I don't see much scum motivation anymore not hammering town chocolate he had every opportunity and reason to do it and not risk a mod kill.

I'm pretty convinced hes town. So we just have to find the one town in this group of four and the game is over.

This is what i'm going to focus on here over the next 24 hours. Trying to figure out if TT is scum or not will be the hardest because hes putting in the most effort currently.
Damdred
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June 10 2015 22:16 GMT
#1709
On June 11 2015 07:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Milo and I are town. 3 of 6 of you are Mafia. Figure it out.


This is the wrong attitude to take, get out of the funk and get to work
Damdred
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June 10 2015 22:18 GMT
#1710
I also forgot about NHM so actually its more like

NHM, Onegu, Scott, VE, Ticktock. Got to find the two towns and three scum in there.
Damdred
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June 10 2015 22:42 GMT
#1713
[QUOTE]On June 11 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 08 2015 06:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Day 2 Final Vote Count


Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

I put reads and confirmed towns into this information (or rather reads from my previous post as i'm trying to start from scratch and just looking at votes and what I think is motivations).

I actually read back through some of scotts past games and one thing I noticed is a completely different tone here. When he was town in his last game he sounded really jubilant and wasn't giving huge walls of texts at all everything was clear and concise and when he started to think he was wrong or might be he initially apologized to the people and then tried to work with them.

Here hes not really like that, to me at points he sounds angry and hes much wordier than he was in his latest town game, and the posts look more like his scum games. He blends in pretty well I think without pushing a lot of the thread forward himself. Also I pointed it out in one of my posts earlier about how crappy acting he was towards me, its just a horribly angry attitude and is vastly different then his last town game as well.

Also the most important thing about this vote and scott I think is that when he went to vote his first thought was Damdred is bussing rather than, my scum read damdred is onboard with this lynch what should this mean to me?

Also he says hes going to vote Fideli during the night. But never mentions him ends up on chocolate last night, well he does mention him that he looks better. But after he said if i'm alive i'm going to be on fideli etc. he doesn't really mention him during the day or try to pressure him.

He also has that weird onegu is town read that he has went towards and backed off of.

I'm kinda convinced that scott is scum here.

TLDR: First scum read is scott
His tone is different from his last town game.
Really angry sounding and confrontational
Rather than working with people and trying to see how he is wrong
Sometimes forgets reads or goes back on them at a moments notice when almost nothing has changed (oneg)
Votes with his scum read but just says it must be a bus rather than looking at the alternatives[/QUOTE]
Damdred
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June 10 2015 22:42 GMT
#1714
Dammit I posted that in the wrong thread, GB FORGIVE ME!!!!
Damdred
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June 10 2015 22:59 GMT
#1715
So lets say i'm right about scott (which I actually think is kinda likely)

[QUOTE]On June 11 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 08 2015 06:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Day 2 Final Vote Count


Tictock(4):, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

This is what d2 vote looks like if we color them in like this


Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): , VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain,
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

And this is day one.

I actually think Nydus is another scum here. I mentioned some things he said earlier in the thread d1 but haven't paid much attention to him since then.

I'll make this one pretty short but overall his play has been really lurky.

D1 he votes Templar without much interaction with him and never really pressures him to figure out his alignment. He doesn't really care where his vote is or what it is doing. He is just there most of the time.

When he does give scum reads he has little to no reasoning behind them and sometimes scum reads every person in the game at once without pushing anyone.

His vote D1 was wasted, he voted with his scum read d2.

He did vote someone he said was scum the entirty of d3 however.

I think hes a pretty good catch for scum here.
Damdred
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June 10 2015 23:07 GMT
#1719
Is that from scummiest to non scummies? or bottom scummy top town
Damdred
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June 10 2015 23:10 GMT
#1720
On June 11 2015 08:07 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay so does a Scott dhm alliance make sense


I think it does. They have very little interaction between them from reading the filter, maybe one or two mentions from NHM about scott.

One is voting on a town wagon without doing much to push his own thoughts on why he thinks x is more scummy at that time.

One is wasteing a vote, it sorta makes sense.

Damdred
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June 10 2015 23:14 GMT
#1721
The biggest question is now would Mafia TT be somewhat bussed by partner NHM (assumption)

Would mafia VE push two town mislynches?

Would town Oneg be useless and only push one person by a made up rule I don't remember him ever using?

Those are the hard questions that we should look at.

Also I really need people to walk me through why they think TT is scummy, because hes really put a lot of work in the past couple of days.
Damdred
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June 10 2015 23:53 GMT
#1725
I asked you a question milo please answer q.q
Damdred
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June 11 2015 00:01 GMT
#1727
On June 11 2015 08:06 milo109 wrote:
I agree with Fidei that the two of us are almost confirmed town. We need to find the last two town. Obviously, the night kill will help eliminate an option. At the -moment- I'm thinking of a lynch order like
VE
NMH
Damdred
Scott
Tictock.


Ok so take me through this.

Why did you vote me today (I think you did anyway) over VE your top scum read? Which btw VE had a small chance of being the lynch today over me quite possibly. So why did you make that choice when i'm third on yoru list?

NMH is aboe me but you barely mention him and don't really push him at all but you focus on your #3 on your list? Why?
Damdred
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June 11 2015 01:34 GMT
#1732
To Milo. You think I might actually be town but you have me listed as scum ij your list, if you think I'm town surely someone should be above me then?

Perhaps Scott I'm probably not as convinced of your guilt as say I am on nhm, so we have this night to work something out.

Damdred
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June 11 2015 15:09 GMT
#1789
Smh.

Oneg pushes me d1 wastes his vote to fo so, only talks about me during the night (or days in scum a lot)
First thing he does next day is vote not-damdred

Ehat do I do? I say that's scummy and vote him for a bit.

Then bs about omega rule starts coming up
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 11 2015 15:13 GMT
#1790
Anyway it rests on damdred followed a thread sentiment onto one at start of d2 when it had been thread sentiment for about the whole game.

Thebsame could be said about oneg though Il not sure its alignment indicative where lots of people said ibwas scum and then he voted me and said reasons.
Damdred
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June 11 2015 19:10 GMT
#1799
Ve looks towny in his last few posts hrm.

This is a hard game.

Damdred
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June 11 2015 19:27 GMT
#1801
So Milo, fid, ve and damdrrd are the scum. I literally font believe it nhm is scum
Damdred
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June 11 2015 20:15 GMT
#1810
You and Milo both are horrible this game if both of you are town.

Damdred
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June 11 2015 20:16 GMT
#1811
This is the most useless I've ever seen you oneg so maybe you are scum idk, it would fit.
Damdred
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June 11 2015 20:25 GMT
#1812
I doubt its me but if it is

check out nhm
oneg
scott

then look at
ve
tick
fid
milo

Milo might be bad town but he could be scum coasting due to a non modkill. Don't let him keep going like that.

I'm least sure about Scott being ij that group and Milo in the bottom.

tick deserved extra looks but still think he's town
Damdred
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June 11 2015 21:00 GMT
#1820
Sure they are extremely believable and followed a pretty logical step. And he's right there are some,things in his,filter that make,me,go,Mehh.

However Scum or third party ve I've never seen go super lazy after he pushed a mislunch. It is a death sentence most of,the time ducking off after that
Damdred
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June 11 2015 21:32 GMT
#1827
Guys please stop posting. Wait for day post it sucks but don't want to get mod killed
Damdred
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June 11 2015 22:28 GMT
#1838
Everyone who,town reads me (Rit, shen and now fid) has died.

Fid really thought Scott was scrum I think he's scrum I will vote scott
Damdred
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June 11 2015 22:28 GMT
#1839
And if your town oneg I'm so disappointed with you as I enjoyed playing with you but you are just bad..
Damdred
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June 11 2015 22:40 GMT
#1842
Firstly how can you say that he had any form of read on me when he just rngd me basically? He randomly selected who to vote on and has just stuck with that the entire game.
Damdred
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June 11 2015 22:40 GMT
#1843
And I have done a case on why I think he's scrum
Damdred
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June 11 2015 23:05 GMT
#1845
I think a lot of his postings are bad. Someone said it looked like he was flailing around and he is.

Why am I worth another look again? Because someone is using a contrived reasoning to read me scrum that isn't founded on anything says so,and hasn't done shot all game or really pushed,me?
Damdred
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June 11 2015 23:52 GMT
#1847
Sweeping a town read isn't crummy try again. Palmar makes several excellent posts about this in other games like Linux mafia and a few others.

And it's still one of the reasons I really town read 've. He totally believed what he was saying put in 10x the effort that he had to,and his case wasn't bad at all. It still isn't, it was wrong not,bad.

So no problems in my eyes sleeping him.

Also everyone who is town think about this, tt said during the night I was most likely town and now he's laying the ground work to vote me when he clearly should of had these problems then.

Actually he's starting to play really strangely at this juncture(?).

Anyway I think Scott is scum. Tt might be but I need more time to think,about it.

Also if you are town and are thinking of voting me answer this what is the point of me only killing people that town read me. That's stupid.

Damdred
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June 12 2015 00:27 GMT
#1851
It's not switching on a town read it's context put together with a myriad of other things.

For example my swap on Scott started n2 I believe when I started having mild to heavy paranoia when dealing with him. I said ok he seemed brownish.

However when I went over his filter I,noted what changed for,me and I stated it. That's not crummy.

However siding with oneg and saying you need to,check me again because he said I'm scum is dubious.

And then saying during the day that you have to,double,check,me again,because of my case on Scott. Shows a clear lack of continuation from your reads.

Ie you had a town read on me because of the effort I put in last night, now you are scamming me for almost the exact same thing.

Damdred
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June 12 2015 00:28 GMT
#1852
I really don't like your reasoning for town reading people.

Scott hasn't stuck his,neck out.

Scum oneg can stay funneled on one person for three days and get away with it? It's simple stuff I don't like the post but risk about you.
Damdred
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June 12 2015 03:06 GMT
#1858
How in the fuck am I trying to close out a lynch when I'm going after two people who are super town read at this point?

Milo why would I only kill people who townread me?
Damdred
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June 12 2015 03:36 GMT
#1862
You just don't care milo
Damdred
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June 12 2015 04:40 GMT
#1868
I'd also curious why Scott decided to vote me and then come into thread and push tick instead of scum read damdred
Damdred
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June 12 2015 06:01 GMT
#1881
I was actually thinking that scum team but I'm expecting Milo and nhm to vote me sooo yea
Damdred
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June 12 2015 14:09 GMT
#1889
Nope, damdred is town
Damdred
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June 12 2015 18:04 GMT
#1895
Whoever is town on that wagon just 100% thrw the game.

Literally you were never pushed today nydus, EERYONE WHO DIED DURING THE NIGHT TOWN READ ME.

I LEFT TWO PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPER TUNNELED ON ME IN THE GAME TO KILL ME TODAY.

That is the world you have to live with.

Milo is probably bad town, he could be bad mafia to.

Scum team has to be like Scott, Oneg and one of milo NHM.

This is stupid literally I've been pretty towny this game and you guys are horribly bad
Damdred
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June 12 2015 18:05 GMT
#1896
So basically Whoever is town on my wagon has to say that the scum team is

Damdred, Ticktock and VE.

The three people who put the most effort in the whole game.
Damdred
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June 12 2015 18:06 GMT
#1897
I NEVER BUS WHEN I CAN WIN THE GAME.

STOP BEING DUMB WHOEVER IS TOWN
Damdred
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June 12 2015 18:08 GMT
#1899
Good freaking god.

Tell me why I am scum right now milo
Damdred
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June 12 2015 18:11 GMT
#1901
What voting patterns?

I understand this is your first game, but heres a little bit of information.

When there are town up for lynch and only town mafia will NEVER stick their neck out to lead a counter wagon or the main wagon. If a scum is up for lynch then they more than likely will try to get it off the partner.

But d1 VE led a lynch I led a counter lynch both on town, so either we are amazing as mafia alignment. or we were town lynching town.

Damdred
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June 12 2015 18:17 GMT
#1905
People have been pushing scum on me.. since d1 oneg randomly voted on me.

Then after the mislynch on kickstart its been on and off, but yes scum most of the game lol.
Damdred
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June 12 2015 18:22 GMT
#1907
Because if anyone determines i'm town, and you don't vote the other wagon I a utomatically get lynched due to plurality
Damdred
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June 12 2015 19:45 GMT
#1918
It also helps Scott isn't trying to help or give us information just passively accepting the lynch at this point.

Anyway I think Scott, oneg and nhm are the team at this point
Damdred
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June 12 2015 20:00 GMT
#1921
Eh, I don't see what harm it would do to look and I'm happy to answer any questions etc.

Damdred
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June 12 2015 21:13 GMT
#1923
Sooo your scum team is me ve and tt then
Damdred
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June 12 2015 21:29 GMT
#1926
So you are sure oneg, nhm and Milo are town?
Damdred
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June 12 2015 22:10 GMT
#1928
Why are you confident on them all? And how confident
Damdred
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June 13 2015 05:02 GMT
#1934
Then kill oneg I'd be ok with that to. But you just want me dead because I'm the mislynch today.
Damdred
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June 13 2015 12:51 GMT
#1945
Yeah all of that is missing context what was going on in the thread.

Also giving marks for saying why I don't like posts? That's pretty silly, however I never said I don't do scum reads early I said most serious wagons don't form till the 12 hour mark... And its pretty well documented I town hunt at first.

Ritoky is my soul mate, I trying to convince Scott to switch to Ks -shrug-.

Anyway none of this makes me scum, also I don't really follow thread sentiment especially today.

Bad case is bad
Damdred
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June 13 2015 13:33 GMT
#1947
I talk to rit like that a lot, he talks to me like that. Its just how we are doesn't make me scum.

How have I followed thread sentiment again? Because I havent
Damdred
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June 13 2015 13:34 GMT
#1948
The only reasoning that is bad is yours, which is only a narrative that lacks context of as ny kind.

You push same red say he's scum d1 and n1. Completly drop it, I call you out you go damd is scum but never really push me.

Its good reasoning, you are just scum
Damdred
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June 13 2015 13:44 GMT
#1951
Yeah when I was trying to get my wagon lynched instead of the other wagon.

Context is important. Which you are totally lacking
Damdred
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June 13 2015 15:27 GMT
#1963
On June 14 2015 00:23 Onegu wrote:
Except the point is I would try as mafia the entire game...


Not true, you've afkd a lot as mafia lately
Damdred
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June 13 2015 15:51 GMT
#1966
Ummm the last ff game generic boring I think. You barely did anything, claimed vig as scum vig and afkd most of the game.

And yes you afkd most of XXX.
Damdred
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June 13 2015 16:00 GMT
#1968
Yeah your bad as all alignments. And just flailing now, you actually don't have anything that makes me scum.
Damdred
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June 13 2015 16:18 GMT
#1970
You never even tried to 're evaluate or change your mind. You just stayed funneled for four cycles awesome.

Your scum
Damdred
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June 13 2015 16:24 GMT
#1972
Yeaaa no. If your town you are just bad. Scum you are bad, I think your suck though I expect more from you
Damdred
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June 13 2015 16:24 GMT
#1973
Suck should be scum
Damdred
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15669 Posts
June 13 2015 18:08 GMT
#1977
I have a sense of deep dread I'm going to,get voted.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 18:36 GMT
#1995
Lol or maybe a oneg, nydus and ticktock



Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 18:40 GMT
#1997
How did I only follow thread sentiment again?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 19:40 GMT
#2003
I'm kinda having second thoughts.

But Scott isn't really trying at the same time,just wifoming. Ehhhh I wonder if we had three people or four to switch to oneg or nhm
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 19:44 GMT
#2006
Problem is three votes parked on me with no one else wanting to switch.

Its kinda shifty, and seems like tt has a new excuse to ask every day
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 19:48 GMT
#2008
Then ducking vote oneg Scott.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 19:52 GMT
#2012
Only person we will change to is nydus or oneg today. I won't lynch tt today
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 19:54 GMT
#2014
Scott it comes down to information you know 100% and information you don't.

Why tt over the other two
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#2018
Because I'm not mafia at all. I'm trying to win the game.

Vote nhm I'll vote that to, he tried to figure out my alignment without doing anything ducked off doesn't care about the game
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 20:10 GMT
#2023
He just voted nydus and I switxhed.

He talked about his tt read a few ago
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 20:12 GMT
#2025
Not really he's giving me the willies a bit with all his excuses and what not.

But nhm is safe today. Honestly ok kinda killing myself here I think if someone doesn't switch on to nydus
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 20:17 GMT
#2027
Kinda scary day
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 20:33 GMT
#2031
Ad long as you are here ve I have a tab open for last second vote switch.

Though it's scary but tt is wielding me out a bit to
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 20:49 GMT
#2036
Then move to nhm oneg if you are town.

Literally if I'm scum I'm killing myself with me doing thid
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 20:56 GMT
#2040
Now this is interesting why is oneg voting with scum read damdred
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:00 GMT
#2049
Probably lost a really hard game here sigh
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:02 GMT
#2054
Days over, anticipation are you town ve
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:05 GMT
#2056
I'll be honest if nhm is town I'm going to,be uber dissapointed
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:09 GMT
#2060
Fucking right.

It makes tomorrow interesting...
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:16 GMT
#2066
Well there is one other theory.

Scott could be scum still or technically ve. And could of,been waiting,last minute Tom switch to,me or Scott but oneg ruined it by consolidating.

I think 've is super unlikely though
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:31 GMT
#2067
Also it's interesting that d2 we had nhm on tick tock I believe for the lynch. I need to see reasoning for that vote or if it was a bus.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:49 GMT
#2070
On June 10 2015 01:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
My top town for the day are probably scott and milo.


Chances of him putting his scum,buddies as top town?

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:50 GMT
#2071
On June 14 2015 06:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote:
Well there is one other theory.

Scott could be scum still or technically ve. And could of,been waiting,last minute Tom switch to,me or Scott but oneg ruined it by consolidating.

I think 've is super unlikely though

Oneg consolidated with a lot of time right? A switch to scott from anyone saves nydus.


But a switch to,Scott from,scum busy Scott can't happen obviously as nhm can give him town cred by voting him.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:55 GMT
#2073
Ok so let's say you are town Scott. Does this clear oneg to you
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 22:05 GMT
#2077
Why exactly?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 22:16 GMT
#2079
Soo was that last post he made total wifom? Both of them his partners?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 22:40 GMT
#2083
They never vote together before today basically.

Nhm was light bussing tt by the logic d2. D3 never mentions tt again.

Milo,never voted with them ever after they voted and usually wasted his vote
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 15:59 GMT
#2101
Well m probably dying tonight so here's the deal.

Scott could be mafia and oneg could,be town.

Oneg and Scott could be last mafia together and they magically bussed one another.

Scott and tt or Scott and Milo can't be scum together.

If Scott's town means oneg is town.

Tt and Milo can be scum together. However I find it a bit hard to swallow.

Lynch Milo tomorrow more than likely over tt. This leaves the final lylo looking like oneg tt and Scott.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 16:00 GMT
#2102
2Nd option should,be,magically bussed partner nhm.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 16:01 GMT
#2103
Also I think,it's unlikely that Scott and oneg are mafia together. All they would have to do is stale,mate till,the last second and Scott switch back to me to,end the game.

Ve very likely not scum also, could of,hammered me Instead of scum.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 16:42 GMT
#2105
So basically Milo what you are saying is that you have been right the entire game no matter what and been on the right side of every lynch?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 16:58 GMT
#2106
Also need you to explain all your reads, why Scott over me in that situation. Voting with both your scum,reads in that situation.

What made you think,all,those people early were town
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 17:02 GMT
#2108
Why isn't it one of scum exactly?

Ok but why then? Ve and myself been trying to solve game almost every day
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 17:39 GMT
#2110
I don't get how that's against scum motivation. Unless you know for a fact Scott is mafia obviously. Do you know for sure.

There's lots of things his vote could,mean
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 18:27 GMT
#2113
It's not a bad case, I think a great point is how he has a scum read on tt but only votes me that day.

Could of possibly lynched tt maybe...

Anyway he's been really right all game.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 18:41 GMT
#2115
It's literally impossible that oneg+Milo is the scum team. If they are Idk what to think,about oneg anymore.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 18:47 GMT
#2117
That's to bad then you get lynched tomorrow.

This is lylo without either damdred or ve tomorrow. So when you are asked I want the answer again.

Honestly you have barely explained yourself all game so now is the perfect time to,start.

And At the same time you lost your tt scum read as the fame went along. So explain the progression non vote to save town read and then where you are now.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 18:57 GMT
#2119
On June 08 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 09:13 Tictock wrote:
On June 08 2015 09:08 milo109 wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:41 Damdred wrote:
You said that there were at least two scum on Templars right?

IF ticktock is scum. Which I'm not certain about, though the votes on him look pretty good.


Why DO you think I could be scum?

Honestly atm, I only understand Fidei's reasons for voting me. I guess I understand GG's reasons too, I just found them to be shit.


Damdred

then

VE

then maybe you

then maybe Onegu

then maybe Scott

then maybe Shendel



Basically this post infers that you lightly suck read tt.

You also say at other point you aren't 100% scumming tt but the votes on him look good.

So yes a bit more elaboration would be good at this point.

Also your hypothesis that two scum will,be elsewhere if tick,is,mafia etc looks like tmi in hindsight
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 19:16 GMT
#2121
So you are now taking back what you said about you not saying tick is not scum at that point?

Also not sure how it's 100% correct logic.

Also what is your scum,team currently
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 19:36 GMT
#2124
Ve I think,I'm dead so I'll be trusting you to herd town.

Depending on Milo answers I'm leaning him and maybe tt.

And a side of oneg and Scott.

To me milo/tt and Scott don't make a lot of sense due to not hammering me when he could,have and winning the game.

The gut says that oneg wouldn't of moved and Scott would of killed me at the last second. But could be wrong, also leaning town on Scott sorta
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 20:11 GMT
#2126
I think it's going to come down to figuring out tt and Milo.

Like I,could 100% still see oneg and Scott
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 20:58 GMT
#2127
Kill Milo tommorow
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 21:00 GMT
#2129
I don't like his answers he's dodgy and isn't trying to figure out alignments beyond he's been right all game.

Which he mostly has which is weird. To right
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 21:01 GMT
#2130
Ehhh yeah maybe it's Scott.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 14 2015 21:14 GMT
#2133
Finally, gg
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 21:33 GMT
#2369
Why didn't anyone quote me more about ho I said Milo had to die that was really disappointing.

When I'm that sure and he ignores me he's scum. Q.q

Anyway gg
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 23:39 GMT
#2391
Actually, I'm curious gb why you didn't mod kill ggt and mil. You really should have
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 17 2015 02:13 GMT
#2393
I thought the rules were decently clear vote and not be modkilled unless something monumental happened.

Templar voted in thread but not vote thread when it was clear. Milo invited for town cred, cause why would a mafia risk a mod kill.

Both had ample opportunity to revote (Milo had 6-10 minutes ) I believe.

I just think both knew the rules but not necessarily what plurality meant and Milo games the system a bit for town cred which was a hit meh.

But its not that important
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 17 2015 06:07 GMT
#2396
On June 17 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:
I thought the rules were decently clear vote and not be modkilled unless something monumental happened.

Templar voted in thread but not vote thread when it was clear. Milo invited for town cred, cause why would a mafia risk a mod kill.

Both had ample opportunity to revote (Milo had 6-10 minutes ) I believe.

I just think both knew the rules but not necessarily what plurality meant and Milo games the system a bit for town cred which was a hit meh.

But its not that important


I've talked to him at the scum QT and he said he panicked.

His Unvote was very close to deadline.

Do you think being panicked is a justification? If you don't, what in the rules you can use to say "according to the rules, this isn't justification?".

Same goes to GGTemplar. The guy voted in thread (common in some games) but didn't vote in the QT. If he says he isn't used to voting threads, is this a justification (granting just a warning) or not?

Understand my problem here? I couldn't modkill them without being arbitrary. And being arbitrary is bad...


Honestlybi understand the plight however

It was clearly stated several times that there was a vote thread and he put that vote in the thread way early in the cycle. So it comes under the responsibility of the player to make sure they don't get mod killed.

Milo is a hit harder than that, this type of situation is not uncommon during shenanigans etc when people are trying to move about. While it was really close to deadline he could of simply invited and voted chocolate or voted somewhere else or stayed afk on Ks.

However template way of doing things wasn't exactly gaming the system as he could still be scum and doing that. Milo was somewhat unfairly helped by the rule to the extent because what scum motivation is there in that.

I'm not faulting you or Milo. It was the rule and the rule was followed to an arguable extent, my only thing would be not to put arbitrary rules with grey areas in at one point. I'm not even upset because he was easy to catch after a point. Sometimes even with no grey areas people get away with warnings which I understand just the wording next time be clearer
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 17 2015 06:12 GMT
#2398
Negative you unvoting and voting chocolate would of had a different result as you wouldn't of been off the table for a couple cycles.

I'm not mad at all or anything you guys played great
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 17 2015 06:52 GMT
#2400
I'm not knocking what you did imo, you had a hard decision and made it. Gg GB
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