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Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 15:20 GMT
#1329
I also hope Fidei has something to say I think he's been hesitant to give reads before.

There's nothing wrong with being wrong but there's a lot more to look at now.

He said he was at work but considering EoD is middle of the night for us in EU that should give him plenty of time.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 15:24 GMT
#1331
On June 08 2015 00:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
It will pretty much legitimize how incompetent the vast majority of you are.


Here's the deal with forum mafia. You can't just be right you also need to be convincing and provide detailed reasoning.

You need to do that for someone other than Tic.

And reads change often the cycles are longer here than they are in video mafia. There is stuff you need to reevaluate. And you're not. (And neither is Milo to be fair.)

And that makes it difficult regardless of your alignment.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 15:28 GMT
#1333
On June 08 2015 00:22 Chocolate wrote:
Really sorry guys my vacation ends in two days so if I'm still alive then I'll be a lot more active

Right now I have close to no idea who scum is but I'd say prolly not GGT and maybe Shen or VE


I have less of a problem with your activity and more of a problem with how you went about EoD day one.

Besides OMGUS what are your issues with either of us?
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 15:29 GMT
#1334
On June 08 2015 00:25 Chocolate wrote:
Though I think GGT may just be trying to exonerate himself if I get lynched today
In fact I feel that if I die and flip town a milo/fid/GGT team could be quite possible


How so?
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:14 GMT
#1343
On June 08 2015 00:59 Damdred wrote:
Yeah I really don't care if we lynch Gg and he's town he is a cancer to the thread.

I really doubt he is mafia but I won't cry if he dies. He says he reevaluated but you haven't. You have funneled on tick and have barely interacted with him. His activity push on you actually looks good. Plus his willingness to look at people again and again looks good. He could be Scum I suppose having an amazing game foe him,but he isn't the lynch today.

So let's talk about something else whoever is here.

Shen tell me why you hate chocolate at eod so,much.


Let me pull up the quotes I made earlier.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:20 GMT
#1345
On June 08 2015 00:59 Damdred wrote:
Shen tell me why you hate chocolate at eod so,much.


Alright, so these are massive quotes, so instead I'm going to just link you to the posts I made.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=61#1213
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=61#1216
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=61#1220

Basically his case on KS is just awful, the scumread on KS is horribly contrived (second post) and I illustrated how it was so. The way he frames his case on KS is basically that no matter how he answers, he's mafia. I think in English it's called a loaded question or a loaded answer but you'll know what I mean when you read the second post I made.

The other real problem I have is that both needed to vote each other for survival yet Choco contends that the latter was scummy for doing so himself or he said he was bandwagoning on him. His responses to KS (third post) were mediocre at best. But those three posts should detail the contentions I have.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:23 GMT
#1347
On June 08 2015 01:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred just look at what Chocolate says about why he is voting for me EoD1. After he comes to this "realization" that he's just OMGUSing me and that I may be town or whatever, he KEEPS voting for me because "he doesn't have any other mafia reads" and when he DOES finally vote for Kickstart (because he's the only other realistic wagon) he EVEN SAYS that it's just to save his life. He NEVER had any mafia reads during D1, and I think that he AS mafia just didn't want to piss anyone off.


I completely forgot the OMGUS on VE, and yeah, that still makes him look worse.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:25 GMT
#1349
On June 08 2015 01:21 milo109 wrote:
Shendel, you mentioned that I haven't evaluated my reads. The problem is, no one is pressuring my scum list. They haven't had to prove themselves.


You're in thread with Damdred and VE, who are presumably two of your scum reads. (If they aren't then who is? Tic? I just know your list is similar to Templar's.)

You still think they are both scum by the way they are in this thread? And if no one is pressuring your scumreads then why aren't you? Obviously you think something is off with them.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:26 GMT
#1351
Edit - at Milo - "you still think Damdred and VE are both scum by the way they are in this thread right now?"
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:29 GMT
#1353
On June 08 2015 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
He and Templar both have tried to seed this "VE is a bully" sentiment. Maybe it's just how I accuse people, I don't know, but obviously to me I'm town and I know that it's not intentional, so to me it looks like they're pushing an agenda.


Well I know Milo is trying to compare you now to how you are in video mafia, and since I know little on the difference, I'm just surprised he's only looking at your tone, selectively looking at your tone without considering anything else you're posting. I don't know if that's how people play in video mafia, apparently Templar says it isn't but regardless he's not being helpful at best by not re-evaluating things.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:30 GMT
#1354
For the recond I've only played forum mafia, never played video mafia or voice, if that's a thing.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:32 GMT
#1355
I see Milo has voted Damdred though. Hmmm.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:33 GMT
#1357
Damdred, do you still have the same problem with NHM now you did before? She hasn't posted that much, but I thought her last 1-2 posts made her look better. You don't think so?
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:48 GMT
#1359
On June 08 2015 01:38 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 01:26 Shendelzare wrote:
Edit - at Milo - "you still think Damdred and VE are both scum by the way they are in this thread right now?"

Yes.


Is your problem with VE still primarily tone? He argues you can't have a good read on him if you are using his video mafia experience to read him.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:50 GMT
#1360
So what I'm trying to ask you - and VE is doing the same - ignore his tone. Do you have a problem with his case on Templar? Do you see a flaw that you think hurts the cases or makes him mafia? That is what I am trying to drive at.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 16:53 GMT
#1361
Like I did that with Chocolate but that's maybe another angle you might need to look at.

I need to get dinner in any case.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 17:58 GMT
#1369
Well, Fidei, I don't agree at all on the Chocolate read but now I have a better sense of where you're coming from and you've demonstrated you have looked at other parts of his play.

Scott, you like "almost" everyone voting for Templar. Who don't you like? If Templar is mafia, who do you think is bussing?
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 17:59 GMT
#1370
Nothing has jumped out at me regarding Scott being mafia. Am I missing something? Is there something either of you can point me to?
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 18:12 GMT
#1373
I know the primary concern with Damdred from a few people was that he was middle of the road at least day one. I might have to look at that again to verify. On a first read, he didn't look bad at all.

For day two, he appeared to be reevaluating people but if he has a decent track record as mafia it could alternatively be a world where he's trying to hold out and see where people's opinions fall. That's a potential mafia world for Damdred. I don't think it makes him mafia. Not yet.

Last I checked, he wants to lynch NHM and Chocolate. But then he asks me why I want to lynch Chocolate. Could be for a number of reasons.

NHM has some points since he started pushing her, but I don't know whether if it's because he disagrees with her or if he still feels she's too inactive or what.

I'm also going to assume that if Damdred is a skilled mafia player (is he?) then he probably knows and has bussed teammates before. If that's a wrong assumption to make then someone say something.

I think Templar had Damdred on his scumlist. If they are both scum it means they are double bussing. I guess it's possible.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 20:55 GMT
#1390
I'm back. Vote closes in 1h6m at midnight, right?, I'm here until then.
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