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Is anyone around? I wish I could interact with more people in this game. I would have engaged Tic earlier last night if I wasn't on my phone. I was on the restaurant's wifi and it was another bad/dead zone reception wise once we left. | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:42 scott31337 wrote: I've obs'ed more then 20 games of Mafia before I started playing - I want to learn things before I jump into it, just my nature. I've obs'ed at least five games from him and beyond the claiming VT in XXX when he was mafia, he does not change much, and reads inconsistencies well. If we need to light a fire under his ass I have no problem with that, but he's a town read at the moment. I just saw this. I assume you mean Onegu here. How is his way of reading Templar, myself and Damdred (his three scumreads) alignment indicative? Aside from his claim VT, which I did see, earlier, the whole Onegu rule seems very arbitary. Is it just you agreeing with those reads, or some of them? Because he seems to just scumread those who are scumreading him. I asked him to take into account why people were scumreading him and I even told him why I had a problem with the way he jumped his D1 reads around and the best he seems to have is an omgus response. | ||
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On June 07 2015 12:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I see we are well on track to lynch temp. Good job. Thank God someone is around. Yes, I think Templar is a good lynch. I was going to see if Chocolate was a better one especially since he's not done shit since the lynch and he didn't look good to me when I first started catching up. | ||
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But still same deal. I just assumed both of you were also new. But I have an additional question Fidei - how is Templar more town now that he's changed it up? What do you mean by changed it up? | ||
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On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote: Alright, looking back I think I've focused too much on defense and not enough time pushing my reads. Here's where I'm at Chocolate Town VE Mafia I really don't want to get into that again. But I think that this is the way things do and should line up. Other reads: Ritocky is super town from the combination of both his activity level and the thought he puts into the game. I called him nitpicky earlier, but as the game goes on I appreciate the pressure he is putting on. Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down. Fidei is town just for doing for the long, clear, and well-written way he conveys his thought processes. I've never felt jarred by of his logic. Damdred is scum. His vote on Kickstart and the way he has been playing is so noncommital. I still like Templar. You people don't understand his utterly dopey playstyle in video mafia. He plays here like he does there. The problem with these reads is that means only one scum voted on Kickstart. And that's a real problem. I'll rethink this in the morning with my Onegu/Ticktock/Scott/New Guy sequel. On June 06 2015 07:11 milo109 wrote: So I wanted to finish my reads, but I'm finding it hard. Onegu is just so... weird. I'm fine lynching him anytime. Can't read him. Tictock is town. Same reason for my read on Fedei. Scott is also probably town??? Weakest town read. New Guy might be scum. Weakest scum read. I hated SL's play, and I'm getting a 'desperate attempt to turn things around' vibe. Do you still think Damdred and VE are both scum? A decent number of us have them as both town. And a lot has happened since your last set of reads. | ||
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On June 05 2015 05:13 Chocolate wrote: I'm switching to KS. I really like these points "Hounds people for reads but when confronted for his own reads he gives only smoke scum read that is rehashed fom others in the thread, sl scum read at this point is an afterthought and feels contrived." "you come back to the thread, start yelling and OMGUSing damdred and jump off a wagon losing steam onto the other popular one for a meh reason." walls of text, I don't know if you consciously write them for this reason but I have a hard time focusing on them and if I see a bunch of new posts I kinda just skip over them at first still don't really like his first post lol and now he bandwagons on me for ?? my vote is also partially grounded in a will to survive since I hope that with my vote and possibly a change on the part of ritoky I won't die D1 at least I guess he says partially grounded here but not understanding the other person has a will to survive that just makes no sense. The case he makes against KS is poorly illustrated at best. | ||
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On June 05 2015 05:55 Chocolate wrote: case for KS sorry for formatting in a hurry "Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment." backpedaling and trying to appease everybody "After addressing everyone getting a tryhard/bossy vibe from me, do you still find me suspicious? Does my defense that this is normal from me change your opinion at all? I agree with the town reads part, that is why I don't like to give them this early but since I was asked for opinions on more than just milo i did give a few. Do you still find scott and myself to be most suspicious or has that changed?" more appeasement "Again milo I think you are focusing too much on me just because I was pressuring you so hard. That is fine I guess but I still would like to hear thoughts on someone aside from me you find scummy, or am I the only one at this point? Your points in my case I don't find particularly good either but I can address those later if people think they hold weight, for now I will work on posting reads on people aside from you as I have had multiple requests to do so." evasion "That said, is milo still slight town and I still slight scum to you? Are there any other reads you can give besides us two at this point?" evasion "Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch. I went on milo and sl before they even mentioned me, and my read on GGT is the same with or without him directing anything at me. I am generally of the opinion that town reads aren't of much use D1, but I was pressured to name some earlier and I named yourself and VE, for basically the same reasons. I felt that you were both applying pressure when needed, you were both driving discussion, and both were being open and honest with your thoughts - all of which I think is helpful and thus I feel that you have been helpful for town up to this point. Does that mean I think you are both 100% town? No, but I feel confident in saying that I would not vote on either of you this cycle. To be honest the only other person I feel is slightly town atm is Nydus, but definitely not on the same level as you two. I have real issues with almost everyone else who I havent mentioned because I just feel their posts are void of strong feelings and I don't like that style of play. Namely I feel like Damdred, scott, Onegu, and Fideu (just off the top of my head) are not giving us anything to work with, their posts are void of reads and strong opinions, and while Damdred has asked a lot of questions and put a bit of pressure on at times, he is still guilty of not giving us his thoughts (though he said this is how he plays and that he will wait to make a stronger case when he is ready - which I intend to hold him too, if Day 1 ends and he is still guilty of what I outlined above I will have some real questions about him because he has been active enough and seems experiences and good enough to give some solid reads but has yet to do so). I think scott and fideu are new so I can understand the reluctance to stick their necks out on anything but I don't feel that is a real excuse, they still need to share their thoughts on things. Onegu seems to have arrived late on the scene but already his posting style is suspicious to me, much too much joking around; while this is normal and understandable at the start of the game, I feel like there is plenty of content to actually address, which he has not done. Can anyone tell me if this is normal posting from Onegu?" verbal diarrhea which confused me, probably others "id mention my issues with chocolate before and it seems he is getting a lot of heat atm, will see that happens there." "well I'd like to bandwagon but I don't want to be held accountable for it" I don't know how answering questions can be considered appeasement. This sounds like Chocolate is trying to frame KS in a no-win situation. If he answers questions, it's appeasement. If he doesn't answer questions, he's evasive. If he gives a middle of the road answer, he's scum for giving a middle of the road answer. Are you fucking kidding me? No idea how the fuck those two responses to Milo are evasion. It makes perfect sense - I'm doing the same thing to Templar right now actually - to ask who else other than themselves are scum or asking that question if they only have one scumread they've been focusing on a lot of the game. There are three mafia in this game. That is a perfectly valid thing to do. If KS was evading questions, that's one thing but that point wasn't demonstrated in that case. Verbal diarrhea he says the last point on KS. That's tone at best and to me that's a cop out for him not wanting to really evalute KS before wanting to lynch him. That is a mafia based case coming out of Chocolate. That is just fucking horrible. When all he had to do was just vote him to survive, he gives THAT explanation? He frames him in a no-win spot in his case and the rest of his points are a steaming pile of shit. | ||
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On June 07 2015 13:43 Tictock wrote: Not around long, but I agree Shen Choco looks pretty bad atm. I'm really unhappy that this was his last post over 24hrs ago, and was one of like 3 posts since EoD... However, we have 2 solid cases on GG, I still think we should be lynching him today. I am voting Templar. Vote will stay on him. I don't think it hurts to discuss others though. And I missed day one so may as well comment on what I missed. | ||
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On June 05 2015 05:27 Chocolate wrote: KS, if you would look back, you would see I posted only a few minutes after you, I had not yet seen what you wrote ok let me try to generally address the points against me 1. the scott vote he wasn't posting, had a general town read and nothing else at the moment, very easy way for scum to play it safe, I don't feel he is scum at all at the moment since he has posted a lot more since then 2. going scott over VE uhhh it was pretty far before the end of the day and it was a case of pros and cons vs. only cons at the moment 3. I seen scummy because I've been defending all game It's a cycle. If I don't defend myself, I get called dodgy scum. If I defend myself, I seem to be scrambling. In either case I have to spend a lot of my time and posts defending myself which continues to call attention to myself possibly being scum 4. switching votes a lot tictock vote meant next to nothing, scott vote was imo logical at the time it was made, VE vote was slightly OMGUSing, onegu vote I continue to stand by but if you guys want to interpet meta to the detriment of town I can't stop you, KS I don't want to die, he seems scummy (and for my next post I'll try to be more formal why), and bandwagoned me if there's anything else scummy you want to bring up about me then shoot Here's another really terrible post by Chocolate. #3 - yes you are scummy if all you do is defend. It's an issue of not whether you defend. It's an issue of you not to advance town agenda if all you do is defend. #4 Switching votes a lot. I think the problem here is not switching votes but reasoning behind them. I've already pointed out WHY the KS vote/case was terrible, but the rest - well I don't know about the Scott switch but the Tic and VE vote reasoning does look pertty shallow. Onegu's play is shit all around, I understand that, but his reasoning for KS like I said before is a steaming pile of shit. | ||
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On June 07 2015 13:53 Tictock wrote: I mean, I WISH we had lynched Choco D1 over Kick... Hell I wish I had been lynched over Kick >.< Given how this game has been going I think there is high chance of at least one, but possibly more, scum lurking. I think looking into the lurkers, will be a good thing to start doing in the next few days. Ugh sorry, I'm taking close to 5 min to make these super short posts kus my brain is fried & I'm losing my train of thought so easily. I should just get some sleep. I'll be more worthwhile in the morning,even if for only an hour or so. It's 7am here. I imagine you people are all going to sleep. Rest well and I hope the US players (who are town) will be ready to keep going in the morning. | ||
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On with the questions though. First you put three of us on a list - Damdred, Templar and myself. You are scumreading us because we at some point have scumread you (correct?) So tell me why you are leaving Chocolate off that list. He is criticizing everyone for giving you a free pass. Why are you using that reasoning to scumread us when you are completely ignoring that for him? Never mind how shit his play was for day one. That's my first inquiry. | ||
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On June 07 2015 14:10 Onegu wrote: People are trying to shit on the onegu rule, but the people doing so are the scummy ones so dont listen to them listen to me. I already told you I am the best player in this game. I wasnt lying when I said if I rolled scum that this game would already be over. The fact is if I am getting pushed for lynch in the first 3 days then guess what I am town with scum trying to mislynch me because they know the longer the game goes on the better my reads get. Like GoT mafia where scum couldnt get my mislynched and I won the game in lylo. Thanks HF for catching the rest of the team. Or maybe it could be some of us are new to TL or just haven't played with you? What happened in another game means jack shit for us who are new here. Although in the second paragaph there you think your reads got better in this game you cite and then somoene else (HF) was responsible for catching the rest of the team? Scott thinks you're lynchable or suspect or whatever after the third day, so not sure what that is about. I assume that is his experience with you. Still my point is you need to better case your points if you are town some of us don't know you well. I don't like meta personally. But I'll look shit up if I'm really confused and I find your play really confusing. (I'll look at the Damdred points you make now though) | ||
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On June 07 2015 14:14 Shendelzare wrote: Selective reasoning much? I read your games to see whether you posted the way you did all the time or whether it was alignment indicative. On with the questions though. First you put three of us on a list - Damdred, Templar and myself. You are scumreading us because we at some point have scumread you (correct?) So tell me why you are leaving Chocolate off that list. He is criticizing everyone for giving you a free pass. Why are you using that reasoning to scumread us when you are completely ignoring that for him? Never mind how shit his play was for day one. That's my first inquiry. Also to add to this, this gives me the impression a Chocolate and Onegu scumteam is viable. At least the reasoning you use. | ||
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On June 07 2015 14:20 Onegu wrote: You came into the thread and jumped on the easiest looking mislynch and called me scum for bad reasons. Like not following up. So did Damdred. Like you cannot have possibly believed I wasnt trolling. Like if you read my posts at all it was obvious I was trolling. Yet you found reasons to scum read me other than he is trolling he needs to die for not doing anything. How is "not following up" - maybe that was Damdred's reason I don't know - or my reasons - if you were serious - you are jumping around with all your reads - you are calling them "bad"? That basically means my read on you is wrong, it doesn't mean I am mafia. It means my read on you is wrong because I'm unfamiliar with your gameplay. I also looked your games up to see if your style of posting was similar or not. I did not use those games to draw a conclusion on you. I don't do meta. so any conclusion I do is only on this game. I am pointing out other flaws in your arguments, but I have bigger problems now with two other players. It's not obvious to me you were trolling. I'm not familiar with people around here let alone your playstyles. Give me a fucking break. | ||
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On June 07 2015 14:24 Onegu wrote: Also I think that was a quote that Choclate used to respond to KS, that was KS's opinion on you I thought, not Chocolates. | ||
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On June 07 2015 14:27 Onegu wrote: Really you somehow thought this was a serious post? That one no, I was more concerned on the VE and Damdred reads. | ||
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