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Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 19:52 GMT
#804
I agree and I'm a bit pissed that he is sheeping me
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 20:13 GMT
#820
I'm switching to KS. I really like these points
"Hounds people for reads but when confronted for his own reads he gives only smoke scum read that is rehashed fom others in the thread, sl scum read at this point is an afterthought and feels contrived."

"you come back to the thread, start yelling and OMGUSing damdred and jump off a wagon losing steam onto the other popular one for a meh reason."

walls of text, I don't know if you consciously write them for this reason but I have a hard time focusing on them and if I see a bunch of new posts I kinda just skip over them at first

still don't really like his first post lol

and now he bandwagons on me for ??

my vote is also partially grounded in a will to survive since I hope that with my vote and possibly a change on the part of ritoky I won't die D1 at least
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 20:18 GMT
#823
I'm trying not to die
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 20:27 GMT
#834
KS, if you would look back, you would see I posted only a few minutes after you, I had not yet seen what you wrote

ok let me try to generally address the points against me

1. the scott vote

he wasn't posting, had a general town read and nothing else at the moment, very easy way for scum to play it safe, I don't feel he is scum at all at the moment since he has posted a lot more since then

2. going scott over VE
uhhh it was pretty far before the end of the day and it was a case of pros and cons vs. only cons at the moment

3. I seen scummy because I've been defending all game
It's a cycle. If I don't defend myself, I get called dodgy scum. If I defend myself, I seem to be scrambling. In either case I have to spend a lot of my time and posts defending myself which continues to call attention to myself possibly being scum

4. switching votes a lot
tictock vote meant next to nothing, scott vote was imo logical at the time it was made, VE vote was slightly OMGUSing, onegu vote I continue to stand by but if you guys want to interpet meta to the detriment of town I can't stop you, KS I don't want to die, he seems scummy (and for my next post I'll try to be more formal why), and bandwagoned me

if there's anything else scummy you want to bring up about me then shoot
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 20:34 GMT
#845
see: everything after this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/427933-tl-mafia-ban-list-20?page=122#2421

damn KS you have a lot of words

will do scotty
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 20:44 GMT
#859
On June 05 2015 05:36 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:
On June 05 2015 05:25 Tictock wrote:
On June 05 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote:
fuck me i really need to get this right....templar looks like he is gonna novote and make me pissed for the 2nd game in a row about no-voters...i would really rather not lose 2 town day 1.


Humm? You don't have faith in your vote?


i have lost some faith in chocolate being scum, and i really believe templar is scum. so currently it looks like we are for sure losing 1 town today....i want to make a good choice and not lose 2. the only way i see chocolate being scum right now is if he is scum WITH TEMPLAR because of their thread re-entry. if one was scum and the other wasn't i feel they would push the opposing wagon. and if that is the case, then templar dying will be a free dead scum.


Is it a bad sign that this logic pleases me since I'm reading them both as scum?

GG's vote just seems like it's too hand wavey justified to me. I guess you put a lot more faith into this theory of play than I do, but to each their own on playstyle choice.

Choco has been making similarly bad scumreads and votes. This switch onto Kick seems really scummy to me as well.

is it scummy to not want to die? seems pretty logical to me

@scott from scummy to not scum

Kickstart VisceraEyes
Tictock
Onegu sicklucker
Damdred
GGTemplar
ritoky
milo
scott31337
NydusHerMain
Fidei86 (maybe trying to clear himself in the future by siding with me)?

NydusHerMain, I don't really know
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 20:55 GMT
#878
case for KS
sorry for formatting in a hurry

"Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment."
backpedaling and trying to appease everybody

"After addressing everyone getting a tryhard/bossy vibe from me, do you still find me suspicious? Does my defense that this is normal from me change your opinion at all?

I agree with the town reads part, that is why I don't like to give them this early but since I was asked for opinions on more than just milo i did give a few. Do you still find scott and myself to be most suspicious or has that changed?"
more appeasement

"Again milo I think you are focusing too much on me just because I was pressuring you so hard. That is fine I guess but I still would like to hear thoughts on someone aside from me you find scummy, or am I the only one at this point? Your points in my case I don't find particularly good either but I can address those later if people think they hold weight, for now I will work on posting reads on people aside from you as I have had multiple requests to do so."
evasion

"That said, is milo still slight town and I still slight scum to you? Are there any other reads you can give besides us two at this point?"
evasion

"Well me OMGUSing everything is a stretch. I went on milo and sl before they even mentioned me, and my read on GGT is the same with or without him directing anything at me. I am generally of the opinion that town reads aren't of much use D1, but I was pressured to name some earlier and I named yourself and VE, for basically the same reasons. I felt that you were both applying pressure when needed, you were both driving discussion, and both were being open and honest with your thoughts - all of which I think is helpful and thus I feel that you have been helpful for town up to this point. Does that mean I think you are both 100% town? No, but I feel confident in saying that I would not vote on either of you this cycle. To be honest the only other person I feel is slightly town atm is Nydus, but definitely not on the same level as you two. I have real issues with almost everyone else who I havent mentioned because I just feel their posts are void of strong feelings and I don't like that style of play. Namely I feel like Damdred, scott, Onegu, and Fideu (just off the top of my head) are not giving us anything to work with, their posts are void of reads and strong opinions, and while Damdred has asked a lot of questions and put a bit of pressure on at times, he is still guilty of not giving us his thoughts (though he said this is how he plays and that he will wait to make a stronger case when he is ready - which I intend to hold him too, if Day 1 ends and he is still guilty of what I outlined above I will have some real questions about him because he has been active enough and seems experiences and good enough to give some solid reads but has yet to do so). I think scott and fideu are new so I can understand the reluctance to stick their necks out on anything but I don't feel that is a real excuse, they still need to share their thoughts on things. Onegu seems to have arrived late on the scene but already his posting style is suspicious to me, much too much joking around; while this is normal and understandable at the start of the game, I feel like there is plenty of content to actually address, which he has not done. Can anyone tell me if this is normal posting from Onegu?"
verbal diarrhea which confused me, probably others

"id mention my issues with chocolate before and it seems he is getting a lot of heat atm, will see that happens there."
"well I'd like to bandwagon but I don't want to be held accountable for it"
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 20:57 GMT
#884
I encourage you guys not to kill me
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 20:59 GMT
#888
ok well in case I do die let me write some shit now

Onegu and SL need to contribute more (though I do see why SL isn't posting much) and if they don't then don't give a free pass because "meta lol"

VE and KS seem the most scummy to me, TT too maybe, Fidei or milo may be trying to pocket me so don't clear them upon my death
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 04 2015 21:27 GMT
#897
I would have killed myself if there were time lol
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 06 2015 03:19 GMT
#1051
Sorry for my absence, got a longish car ride tomorrow so I'll hopefully be able to be pretty active
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 07 2015 15:22 GMT
#1330
Really sorry guys my vacation ends in two days so if I'm still alive then I'll be a lot more active

Right now I have close to no idea who scum is but I'd say prolly not GGT and maybe Shen or VE
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 07 2015 15:25 GMT
#1332
Though I think GGT may just be trying to exonerate himself if I get lynched today
In fact I feel that if I die and flip town a milo/fid/GGT team could be quite possible
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 07 2015 15:35 GMT
#1335
I think there's a good chance that they're going to try to keep me alive for as long as possible as a way to draw off attention from themselves and to pocket me if anyone dies

Don't really have enough time to write out a long post on why I think that sorry, I'm on my phone in colonial Williamsburg lol
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 07 2015 18:44 GMT
#1379
Actually after thinking about it I don't think milo is scum, you guys are right in that whatever he did at the end of the day is pretty indicative of alignment (though do recall he didn't actually change his vote)

Hopefully I have some time in the next few hours to make a vote, if not sorry
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 07 2015 20:05 GMT
#1383
Haha ok fine then
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 07 2015 20:09 GMT
#1385
I'm voting TT

Don't wanna vote GGT because I think he's town.

GGT makes a compelling case (I know this is a shitty reason to vote someone but I had no time today) and since I think he's town I'm going TT

Really sorry for not being more productive, when I get back home I promise I'll kick the posting up a notch
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 07 2015 20:18 GMT
#1387
Actually I don't think Shen is mafia for this reason

If I were scum I'd never be as inactive as SL was the first day, even if I were about to get replaced
Shen being very active today tells me more that he is trying to do town more of a service than dispel the read people were getting on sl

He was also pushed moderately day1 before and after I brought it up which I don't have a good reason to feel suspicious but strikes me as fishy (though I do recognize that I was part of that crowd)
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 08 2015 00:39 GMT
#1427
TT
VE
someone else

are mafia
Just got to find #3
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 08 2015 00:46 GMT
#1428
On June 08 2015 06:37 Damdred wrote:
That's sad but chocolate is probably mafia here

probably you are #3

scott why the FUCK would you want to vote me
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