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On June 16 2015 22:04 Onegu wrote:
I am town VE it is 100% impossible for me and scott to be scum toghether
Explain like I'm the idiot you wish I was.
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False - if you and scott are scum then me and Damdred were watching the thread like hawks for a vote-switch. It's not hard, you just keep f5 with a copy/paste of your revote and if it changes you switch it. EZPZ.
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On June 16 2015 22:07 Onegu wrote:
We vote switch last second you have no chance to swich and the game is over.
Nope, you have to do it with at least a little time left because you don't know if it's going to count or not - you have to give at least a little buffer between 59 and 00 because if you don't then you run the risk of making it in at 00 and your vote not counting and you claiming mafia. Take it from someone who's been on a voteswitch a time or two bud.
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On June 16 2015 22:09 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 22:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
False - if you and scott are scum then me and Damdred were watching the thread like hawks for a vote-switch. It's not hard, you just keep f5 with a copy/paste of your revote and if it changes you switch it. EZPZ. You wouldnt have time and you and damdred both would have to do it multiplying the factor that one of you would be slow. When I am confident that both of you would be to slow to do it.
But you're actually wrong - I was literally f5ing the vote thread the whole time LITERALLY WATCHING for a vote-switch. I CAN ASSURE you that you wouldn't have gotten it through.
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On June 16 2015 22:10 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 22:10 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2015 22:09 Onegu wrote:On June 16 2015 22:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
False - if you and scott are scum then me and Damdred were watching the thread like hawks for a vote-switch. It's not hard, you just keep f5 with a copy/paste of your revote and if it changes you switch it. EZPZ. You wouldnt have time and you and damdred both would have to do it multiplying the factor that one of you would be slow. When I am confident that both of you would be to slow to do it. But you're actually wrong - I was literally f5ing the vote thread the whole time LITERALLY WATCHING for a vote-switch. I CAN ASSURE you that you wouldn't have gotten it through. No I can assure you I would have gotten the lynch.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree. If you're town we can talk about it in post-game. At any rate, I'm not accepting any fantasies about voteswitches as valid reasoning for townreads.
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Where is Ticktock in the meantime? 
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Milo over the course of the game you've had a pretty unshakable mafia read on me. I'd like you to explain it for me in detail plz, why were you unable to see me as town for so long during this game?
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So my reasoning, explanations, none of that mattered to you? I was wrong, so I was mafia? That's the sum of it?
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So why milo instead of Ticktock, scott/Onegu? Scott at least seemed to be pretty certain of Ticktock's guilt yesterday, given TT was NOT on the mafia flip it seems that would make him even MORE certain.
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I'm here, but it doesn't matter if I'm wrong
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Like I just filtered scott and he DOES look pretty town. But then there's the Onegu townread. Like...when I asked him to explain it yesterday he couldn't, but when I went through his filter I found the post that turned his read around (it really is one, two sentence post)...and I STILL don't get where it comes from. Like...if it's a meta thing based on how little Onegu had been doing, then he never really needed Onegu to clarify anything - metawise, Onegu should "look" town to scott.
And if it were based on a post, why not say that rather than "Oh you know, guts" when I asked him yesterday?
UUUUGGGGHHHHHHHH
GAME SO HARD!!!!!
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And it seems like I'm the only one trying to figure anything out - everyone else seems to be sure about the world we're in.
GAH!!!
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On June 17 2015 05:11 Tictock wrote:
@ VE
I don't know how you can say I'm not trying to figuer things out, but when Scott and Onegu are hard townreading each other and pushing Myself as scum with Milo it's hard not to just OMGUS on them.
I'm wondering though, what is looking towny to you about scott?
I looked through his filter and came to the opposite conclusion, do you think I'm just too biased?
Mostly it's in how he responds to others' posts directed at him, and the way he seems to be evaluating the game. Particularly the post on the first page of his filter where he talks about the Chezinu rule is a good post that illustrates what I'm talking about.
But there again, early in the game with an Onegu townread, based on very little (since very little is all Onegu had done up to that point).
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On June 05 2015 03:14 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 16:15 ritoky wrote:
well going to bed and i think this is the best lynch:
##vote: chocolate
he wanted to policy lynch scott for inactivity before the person he made a scum case on in VE, which makes absolutely no sense to me. when pressured and asked about it he gave some convoluted response about a thought process which never occurred in the thread, him having a read on scott that didn't exist because it was policy, and some factually incorrect information.
add this onto VE's case, and i think it is currently the best vote. VE just stealth voted onto GG - I'm about 70% GG is town just by how the votes are going. The case can't be that great... I already have a spider sense someone who's pocketing me is mafia - just need to figure out who.
And then there's this post. Trying to cast shade on me by saying I "stealth voted" when I'd been talking about lynching GG all day that day or something....and then the bit about "someone who's pocketing me is mafia"....up to that point, he had only mentioned a single person who might be pocketing him - me - so this just stinks of agenda pushing to me. A) I never pocketed scott, only gave a read on scott and B) "The case can't be that great"....well is it or isn't it? This is really REALLY wishywashy to say about someone who he "suspects" is "pocketing" him. Why not look at the case and make your own determination? You know, the way he's been crying at me to do about the milo case he made last night.
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On June 04 2015 14:18 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 09:39 Tictock wrote:Ok, took me longer to get back to this game than I thought thanks to a rough day at work, bit disappointing that there has only been ~4 new pages in the thread though, activity seemed better right at the start. Couple of things that I wanted to respond to right away, before I reread the thread and start putting together more solid reads for EoD. On June 04 2015 00:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote:
Was just checking in before bed, game has been somewhat dead past few hours, so I'll just leave a few of my thoughts.
GG is my top scum right now. No questions. Was expecting him to at least react to my response or something...
I'm unsure of Damdred, though he's earning town points in my book for reacting the same way I did to GG.
I'd really like to hear from Onegu and def need to see more out of Scott. I hate to say it but scott could be scum atm. I've seen him lynched D1 twice now, when he was town he was active until he got tunneled and when he was scum he posted very much like he's doing this game. Quick little reads and short response posts. Also half his posts atm are just stating facts, nothing game relevant.
Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here. Could you restate your response please? GG, dude, it's D1 and your already asking me to repost/restate stuff I've said? It's not a long thread to read yet, and my filter is def not that long... Besides, shouldn't you be paying attn to my posts more than anyone's if your scum reading me? On June 04 2015 04:45 scott31337 wrote:On June 03 2015 09:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town My gut tells me the specific diction you chose with regards to being 'morally' okay with it inclines me to believe you are townie. On June 03 2015 06:17 Tictock wrote:
In regards to kicks question.
I am pretty new to TL forums. Have played in 2 of the newbie games (the 2 most recent ones, including the ongoing one).
I see a few familiar names, but most of you I don't know... and am HIGHLY suspicious of...
And of course I know SL, who I may have to ignore. I apologize in advance if I start tunneling him, I have a tendency to do that. I think your intentional emphasis on the fact that you are 'HIGHLY' suspicious of people is scum-indicative. You are making sure we all know you are 'suspicious' of people, aka have imperfect information aka are town. A very roundabout and subtle way to go about telling people you are town. I think this is an excellent policy vote. ##Vote Tictock He never actually voted in the voting thread, but this looks like a Chezinu rule vote to me - A misguided understanding of a fairly new guy - when town would be afraid to vote so early but scum wants to start a easy ML. @Scott, I'm not familiar with the bolded term, mind elaborating? I agree that this completely looks like a scum play to me. He's mimiking a vote already on me, his reasons for voting me aren't bad per say but they are far from solid. GG dropped into the game and just made that read without trying to interact with me and ignored my response to him + Show Spoiler +and I have to assume any of my other posts, I'm active enough that you should be able to expand on that read on me by now . I know I've been guilty of doing the former, but I've always been on the lookout for responses from people I'm putting pressure one. GG is not even bothering to look for my responses to him, and acting like I still need prove something to him. I def feel like I'm being slow pushed here for no reason, total scum move. ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR The Chezinu Rule has always been true in teamliquid. I've used this rule many times and it has never failed me. Of course, this is my first time playing forum mafia outside of teamliquid. I'm quite renowned there and I expected to be taken strange here with my unique play style. If you are town, please read up on the Chezinu Rule on teamliquid. What is the rule? The rule is that the first person who doesn't know Chezinu to vote Chezinu is mafia. Why the rule works? I have a very unique playing style that I can't help. I tried many times over the years to play like everyone else, but it just fails. So what happens is in the beginning of each game with new players, they find me strange. Since they can't read me, they accuse me. But MAFIA has always been the first to accuse as a townie wouldn't have as much confidence. To mafia, I am an easy target. It was not exactly the Chezinu rule, but on the same idea. A confusing/cryptic town Chezinu is voted as an easy target. I see GG's vote on a easy target and the first one. Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 10:57 Kickstart wrote:
Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment. I saw you as a slight town read when most of the people are reading you scummy, but I did not need to defend myself for it. I was seeing you in a different point of view then others (you've brought up some good points, do not seem to be afraid to post, etc.) This post seems pressured to me though. Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 11:23 Kickstart wrote:On June 04 2015 11:17 Chocolate wrote:On June 04 2015 10:57 Kickstart wrote:
Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment. this post is scummy as hell and just screams to me that you're just trying to survive If that is what you think then fine, I messed up and admitted it and can't change it now. I did retract it almost immediately though. You sure you not just looking for something to jump on? I'm far from just trying to survive. Can't help but feel you and others have this convenient manufactured surprise and outrage at me. Well you already got called out on it. How do you feel about Chocolate? I wasn't liking him too much until he also saw how bad this post was. Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 11:58 Chocolate wrote:On June 04 2015 11:32 Tictock wrote:Ok last thing I was wanting to reread and look at for now. This whole VE, Chocolate, and Milo thing. VE struck me as town pretty easily, prob something I need to recheck but I'm prob going to go with it today. Not sure I like how tunneled he seems to be. He made one post which looked like he was willing to drop it, but now he seems to be right back on Chocolate like he's peanut butter or something... + Show Spoiler +Sorry, that was weak. I'll stop trying to be funny... As for choclate himself, he''s kinda just OMGUS right back at VE. Milo isn't going this route, but he is clearly frustrated by the whole thing... My personal opinion is that that all 3 are probably town here and are just over reacting to a rather stupid "he's afk" comment. I don't expect anything fruitful to come from this interaction. This post in Chocolate's filter caught my eye though... On June 03 2015 10:41 Chocolate wrote:
I don't play forum mafia very much but I don't like the idea of having town reads. To me that seems somewhat counter-productive since at this point any player could be town. It's easy for a scum player to post in a "town-friendly" way (which is I think a reiteration of the "tryhard" vibe). I believe it would be much more productive for people to look for scum reads than to try to identify people as town
@ VE do you have any opinions about people other than me and milo At first that sounds reasonable, but then I have to stop and think. Isn't it just as easy, or beneficial, for Mafia to be putting a lot of scum onto people? Also for someone who is putting alot of emphasis on scum reads being important I can't help but look at his list of people he'd like to lynch. On June 03 2015 23:30 Chocolate wrote:
Scott
VE
Onegu
GG
I would pick Scott as my #1 2 people who were not very present in the game, VE, and GG. I can't find a read on GG from Choco in his filter at all, so really VE is his only real read here. That doesn't seem like very decent scum reads to me from a guy who is stressing their importance. @ Choco I see your more active atm. Care to update us on your scum reads? VE for previously stated reasons, it isn't purely an OMGUS though of course that is probably it to a large extent KS I'm beginning to think is a bit fishier but it's a small hunch I have a very hard time reading damdred , you, and ritoky. Admittedly I kinda have a hard time reading the newer players too (because I subconsciously associate posts with icons lol) but tomorrow I'm going to go through them all again Onegu has pretty much been a shitposter so far which I don't like and don't think is good for town As for not liking town reads, for me it's because anyone I don't think is scum I am leaning towards null or town on (in which case I wouldn't want to lynch them). It can also restrict thinking - we need to, and do, change who we think may be scum somewhat frequently. With town, since calling a given poster town is usually held to less scrutiny, we can let that label linger and it can affect our reads [to everyone] Don't be offended if I call you or something you did scummy especially on the first day. There's very little to work on and since I don't think calling people town is productive I don't make a lot of friends I see this as Onegu's town game. He tries much harder as mafia and likes rolling mafia - but we can agree to disagree for now. He'll show some more when he feels the need. GG still has not impressed me. SL may sincerely be unmotivated due to the other game, but he really needs to kick it up. Chocolate had the same idea as me while I was reading the thread, which I like. He moves up a little now. I like Damdred, Ritoky, VE Onegu is a meta read slight town Would lynch GG Fidei86 ##Vote: GGTemplar
This is the post - I hard townread him based on this post becase of A) the way he explains his thought process and B) the fact that his townreads aligned with mine at the time.
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On June 17 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:Oh I see. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote:On June 13 2015 06:20 scott31337 wrote:VE is the one I'm most in doubt of. But the other two I'm pretty confident of now - TT should be dead and he's not. After the three mislynches he went after me  But if that's the case, there's a mafia on me and can last minute switch anyway and it's over. I've always had mixed emotions about yourself. Sure I went after you. Has nothing to do with me trying to follow Onegu's thinking about Damdred. Reading Damdred's filter and coming to my own conclusion that he is town. Also has nothing to do with how you claimed you want to sheep me after I made these two posts. Which since you now bring up that I was on multiple (2 btw) mislynches seems like an odd thing to want to do. Unless it was an attempt to pocket me. I has been reading Onegu as town most of this game as well as made a case on Damdred early on when he irked me after EoD. You prob figured I'd fall in line and lynch him next. Also this post, where you are almost conditionally voting based on the night kill... wth was that? You say we should dismiss those posts kus you were messing around while drinking... sounds to me more like your trying to cover up your drunken slips since you felt like you had this game won. I'm gunna have to find some of those fabled Town Rainbows in your filter for me to reconsider my vote. There's nothing I can say I have not already about my drunken fail post I have not already, I was frustrated at the game at the time. A regret that won't happen in the future. I'm asking you to dismiss them, but not make the wagon on me D4 off of one post.
Oh, the wagon boils down to ONE POST does it?
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On June 17 2015 05:57 scott31337 wrote:
That videos for you VE, BTW.
Thx pal. Like, I didn't think you WOULD be mad at me - I feel like my suspicion has been well voiced and justified - but it's good to know that if I'm wrong, there's no hard feelings.
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Ugh.
GG guys. Thx Hosts for hosties.
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Yeah if I'd had another day I could have been convinced to change votes. Last day I was trying to reevaluate, but certain things kept dragging me back to the illogical world I'd crafted. The problem was that TT looked town enough for he and Milo, and scott didn't look town enough for he and Onegu fmp. Scott looked kinda townie, but the fact that he seemed to be SURE about Onegu being town looked bad to me, especially given that TT looked like he was considering a lynch on milo. That just LOOKED like the townie pair to me.
I thought about it last night and objectively it seems obvious that since I was left alive, I should have wondered why. My bad town. I failed you.
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