Generic Boring Mini Mafia

On May 18 2015 05:35 The Shining wrote:
GB explained why he thought Damdreds entrance was scummy. By doing so, I'm pretty sure it wasn't a joke.

Stutters, Shockeyy, Obi. Names in filter for reminder. Three entrances with afk excuses/lack of playing right now. Please fix this before eod so I don't have to plynch kthx

On May 18 2015 06:33 Palmar wrote:
I am literally 100% certain Damdred is mafia.

Kill with lightning bolts please.

On May 18 2015 07:25 Vivax wrote:
Well I read my role PM now so I'm sure I can post this:



This is a question that looks like it's coming from scum Obi.

On May 18 2015 11:17 Damdred wrote:
I mean really though look at obis few posts and his vote, its so fucking weird coming from him
sheeping isn't necessarily scummy but he doesn't even try to interact with me. Look at the way he played assassination or ippo or the student mafia game.

Always inquisitive to a point at town and asks why gives his own thoughts, here he leaves himself plenty of room to maneuver without giving any thoughts that could shed light or even tries to see why palmar is doing what he is.

Actually I think obi is palmar here, like he just has no fear of sheeping palmar or concerned about palmars alignment just blind sheep.

move him to scum

On May 18 2015 11:32 Damdred wrote:
Glad for your great thought here obi, really happy

On May 18 2015 12:31 GlowingBear wrote:


Why are you posting just this without having any interactions? LOL

On May 19 2015 02:16 Stutters695 wrote:
And I'm not lynching Damdred d1.

On May 19 2015 05:01 sciberbia wrote:
@Obi
If you're busy at the moment, feel free to keep your answers short, but it's time to start playing the game man. We need contributions from you.

Who do you want to lynch today?
Why did you vote for Damdred early in the game?

On May 19 2015 05:12 sciberbia wrote:

@Obi
I want a serious explanation of your vote on Damdred. By saying yoloswag, are you saying that you just did it on a whim without any serious reasoning?

On May 19 2015 11:44 Onegu wrote:
Obi's fuck off attitude this game is kinda townie though dont you think. He needs to do more shit but yeah.

On May 19 2015 12:36 sciberbia wrote:

@Obi
He just said he hasn't played on these forums in ~5 years. I don't think he ever said whether or not he played on other forums. I can only assume he misunderstood your question.

So what do you think on Shocky? Want to lynch?

On May 19 2015 13:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Eh.
I think I'd prefer killing a lurky person at this point like Vivax or smthn. Vivax is the least prone to lurking/being unproductive when he's town and I feel like he'd be trying harder to make this work if he was.

If he isn't still purposefully trying to sink his towngames just so his scumgame is better, that is.

On May 19 2015 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Palmar scum. Yup.
[b]##vote Palmar[b]

Also zealos is scum.
Vivax maybe,



useless posts.
and 'risk''? why does that even mean man.

meh, the only thing stopping me is assassination was similar in terms of activity.

On May 19 2015 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because just saying "lynch damdred and zealos" is not trying to win the game. And town palmar wants to win the game.

On May 20 2015 00:30 Vivax wrote:
Going to a friend so I'll keep being lazy and just sheep scib's big case, plus I had a feeling Obi was scum earlier. So seems like a win-win.

##Vote Obi

Will probably be back around 8-9 PM my time.

On May 20 2015 00:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It is scum in plain sight.

On May 20 2015 00:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Confirm? Your posts seem either like a really lazy town or a really really obvious scum, but due to the voting pattern and your posts towards me after I accused you, it's just a mafia member trying to protect themselves.

On May 20 2015 01:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:


The thing was, only one person made mention on how my reasoning doesn't make any sense, that was GB. Palmar followed cause I posted something about Vivax agreeing.

You followed cause? Regarding your posts and voting, it just reads mafia acting as a lazy town

On May 20 2015 01:23 Zealos wrote:
Haven't really read anything else but I think that post stinks I dunno

On May 20 2015 01:28 Zealos wrote:
Why would a lazy town try in the beginning in particular?

On May 20 2015 01:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Because a lazy town would at least try in the beginning and start disappearing because of inactivity because he's lazy. How ever you posted lazy material trying to look lazy. Want to know what a lazy town looks to me? Qwerty, dude just hasn't even tried to read the thread or maybe he has, but that's a lazy town.

On May 20 2015 01:36 Palmar wrote:
Fuck it.

Don't you idiots dare lynch shockey. It's an objectively bad lynch.

Lynch Damdred. He is mafia.

On May 20 2015 03:51 Palmar wrote:
Can we have less talk about things that don't matter and more talk about how much we're going to lynch Vivax?

On May 20 2015 03:57 sciberbia wrote:

1) You didn't answer the question: what was your opinion of Damdred's alignment when you made that post?
2) Also, what are you referring to "fixing" if not your vote on Damdred?

3) Lastly, why did you want to know Stutters' opinion of Damdred? You never show any interest on Stutters anywhere else in your filter? You never push or defend Damdred. Why, of everything that you could possibly comment on when you returned to the thread, did you want to know Stutters' read on Damdred?

On May 20 2015 04:19 Qwerty! wrote:
It seems that I'm only reading at the rate that you guys are posting... this isn't working.

are we actually killing vivax? would much rather kill obi

##vote ObiWanShinobi

On May 20 2015 04:22 sciberbia wrote:

No the problem is not that you left your vote on Damdred. Here is the problem.

You supposedly have a leaning town read on Damdred. However, Damdred is under a great deal of attack from several people in the thread. There are 4 votes on him and it looks like he might even be lynched.

Do you defend your townread? No
Do you question people as to why they are calling Damdred scum? No

You question someone as to why they said they WON'T lynch your town read. That is very odd and not a natural townie instict. The townie instinct if you see one of your leaning town reads being bandwaggoned is to defend him, or at the very least question people who are attacking him. But question people who are defending him? That's just not a natural response.

Then your wording as to how Damdred plausibly could be town, under normal usage of this phrase, really implies that you do not think Damdred is town. Finally, it is really awkward that you say this in the context of justifying leaving your vote on Damdred longer.

Obi: troll vote on damdred
Obi: even though damdred might be town, I'm going to leave my troll vote on him a little longer

It really really bothers me.

To everyone else, I agree Obi seems carefree/laid back. It is one of the reservations I have about him being mafia. But notice when that now, after I got 3 votes on him, is when he becomes much more active/responsive. It's suspicious.

On May 20 2015 04:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy your read on Vivax can change when he has done nothing new yet.

Lol.

Anyway, you have my sword, Palmar. I still think Shockey is more likely to be Mafia but there is not enough time to get him + my persuasion skills sucks

On May 20 2015 05:09 Qwerty! wrote:
you know better than that for two reasons

1. i switched to vivax as the 9th vote or 10th vote, smth like that... if i wanted to look good i just never would have switched to vivax in the first place
2. maybe if people actually bothered trying to post there could have been a vote switch... enough ppl were online

On May 20 2015 05:12 sciberbia wrote:


This is very wrong. Anybody who is not a complete moron would know that nobody is going to say "Great job Qwerty! You knew he was town. If only we had listened to you!"

On the contrary, anyone who has played any amount of mafia here should know that people are going to be raising eyebrows at his vote switch. Precisely because it is such an eye-catching and arguably bad play, I honestly think he is town.

I'm not saying we should have switched votes or that his vote switch was a good play. But I think he is town.

Actually reading his posts on this page I feel pretty strongly that he is town.

On May 20 2015 05:14 sciberbia wrote:


Show me a few examples of mafia spazzing out in reaction to a last second reads post and asking for a vote switch.

If you can, then I will consider changing my read on Qwerty.

On May 20 2015 23:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:



Both Palmar and Obi are mafia.

After you question obi:


Why doesn't he want to be lynched? So the mafia can continue to win of course. I don't care if I get lynched cause at least everything I've said will help town in the future, the point is to win. While obi just seems like he wants to survive to the last day

Vivax's first vote was for Obi:




Are you? really?

Why would Palmar decide to just provide a case against Vivax? Because he was going after his partner. Just like what happened to me on day one. I went after Palmar and Palmar and Obi followed - as they still do so now. It was easy to remove on town person they knew was town, he wasn't as active as others and his style was not what people were used to, which made it easier to pin him as mafia. Of course everyone bought into that random mumbo jumbo and lynched our VT.

Either way, I'm still sticking to my votes and still will be going after Palmar and Obi.

On May 21 2015 03:31 Damdred wrote:
Not even a comment on my post obi sadness

On May 20 2015 15:02 Qwerty! wrote:
cant say i was expecting scrib to defend me like that, but ive been successfully pocketed

ObiWanShinobi is scum mostly because of scriberbias case. i noticed two additional reasons.

1. inconsistent tone

obi normally plays as he pleases, and is willing to be aggressive, disagree with people, and doesnt really care what others think of him. this game has many examples of this. however, there is one post that is a major departure from this:i dont really see this post coming from a town obi at all (given the tone of the rest of his posts this game). Town can be headstrong and stubborn, town can be apologetic and meek, but its really hard to see both in such a short time period.

And it's not like obi put out enough content to fully correct his being useless, but his tone completely reverted to his original complete confidence.

2. i feel a tone change once the lynch started shifting to vivax. this isnt necessarily an issue, but obi's tone (to me) seems to be smug, which isnt really fitting for a townie who was just up for lynch.

---

as for onegu... i checked my meta more carefully, and i was mistaken about the frequency that he complains about being town. this is pretty embarrassing...

still, its a point against him, and im suspicious of him.

another reason he is scummy is how aggressively he commented on plynches and inactives (his second read of the game is on me), when i know that he hates inactives, shown by this post from Student Mafia VIII.
And from this game:I bolded the inconsistency. I find it really strange that onegu is inconsistent about how his stance on less active players,
And a final example. From someone who hates plynching inactives?

By the time of the lynch, Onegu expressed suspicions on the following:
Qwerty!
GlowingBear
Sealoz
Shockey
Vivax
Oatsmaster
Palmar (more on this later)
scriberbia

I don't really see a sense of direction here at all. he's fanning out and giving him as many lynch choices as possible.

He's also really heavily following the thread sentiment on all of his votes (Sealoz and then Vivax). Policy voting me isnt enough to change this.

Finally, his discussion with palmar makes no sense. First he seems disappointed that Palmar disappeared, and he says that he disagreed with Palmar's first read. Palmar never explains his Damdred scumread. Still, Onegu alternates between begging Palmar to come back and solve the game and being potentially willing to lynch him.

---

my head is hurting (i got a cold ), this is about it from me for tonight, i think. will answer any questions though.

not really sure about the third mafia yet, though some of stutters' early posts were really suspicious (specifically the way he referenced how assassination mafia changed his mindset).

On May 20 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote:
I think Obi is a sub optimal lynch on day one and how he acts around the lynch and during the night is more telling in context then when he's being a bastard under pressure generally.

And I disagree I thought Palmar case was good as did a few other people, it's easy to say x has a town lean but it's different when that lean does absolutely nothing for 36 hours which is alignment indicative of that person

On May 21 2015 04:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'd agree that I'd like Palmar to look at qwerty because he hasn't done so yet.

On May 21 2015 05:09 The Shining wrote:
What's up with the mod announcement? Don't tell me mods wifom us too, now.

On May 21 2015 06:38 The Shining wrote:
Onegu GB conftown. I'm town.

Damdred prob town. QwerTruffle almost immediately jumped on Palmar NK possibly leading Damdred being scum when we all know NK = wifom.

Shockey, Oats, QwerTruffle, Obi, Stutters, Zealos. Scumteam is in this list. From would lynch at top to likely town at bottom:

QwerTruffle
Shockey
Zealos
Stutters
Obi
Oats

On May 21 2015 11:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you still want to lynch obi today or stutters qwerty?

I hate stutters excuses.

Is onegu scum qwerty?

Meh I agree with scibs reasons.
good.

On May 21 2015 11:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What in the fuck? Palmar the VT has been killed! what a straight up buzz kill on my suspicion of him. I still suspect Obi how ever, throwing your weight around behind Palmar first day lynch on Vivax so he can save you from being lynched so you can just turn around and kill him off so he would of never accuse you of being mafia.

Next up in line for my read Zealos

On May 21 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Shockey, who is scum now since 2 of your scumreads flipped town?

On May 21 2015 11:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Because between Vivax, Stutters and I we almost lynched the real scum and it would of been a 10/2 situation, so of course, Palmar goes parading around with a vivax case and you found opportunity to save yourself and make it a 9/3 situation. It's pretty clear, prepare to get lynched today, I'll make sure I revenge Vivax.

On May 21 2015 14:59 Damdred wrote:
Guys GB won't be playing for a year after I'm lynched.

Anyway shockey is a bad lynch eight now I think even though he's being kinda meh.

Anyway, zealos is a good lynch

On May 22 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Obi, help us then. Who do we lynch?

On May 22 2015 06:38 GlowingBear wrote:


I was one step closer to not wanting to lynch you anymore, and you post this shit

Fuck this game

On May 22 2015 10:51 GlowingBear wrote:


Okay

You have my sword

Voting Shockey

But why not lynching oats?

On May 22 2015 14:28 Stutters695 wrote:
Because he's not blue. Enough said.

On May 22 2015 15:14 Damdred wrote:
I'd much rather kill zealos today, 0 content vs crazy content cop check shockey lynch zealos.

sheep oneg and myself obi

On May 22 2015 15:18 Damdred wrote:
So by that logic we lynch GB today right?

On May 22 2015 22:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man, what's with the weird long ass explanation by trfel. Over explanation is bad bad bad bad.
Today shockey, tmr you.

On May 23 2015 01:54 Damdred wrote:
Well I doubt I can convince anyone to lynch zealos with confirmed town oneg and town damdred... Espe ially with 0 content from zealos still in thread

On May 23 2015 02:52 Damdred wrote:
I've answered everything honestly asked of me.

I call people bad because they are bad has nothing to do with them aligning with what I think I could care more if people agree with my reads however I will call people bad if they are trying to push things that don't make people scum.

And how will he get mod killed obi

On May 23 2015 03:17 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I would rather lynch Zeal over Shock since Damdred clearly isn't happening.
##unvote
##vote Zealos

On May 23 2015 03:23 Damdred wrote:
Here's the deal.

Ssk yourself this question obi. Was zealos play d1 good enough to not get lynched? Scib thought he was scum, I think he's scum palmar did as well.

You might not trust me fully but this is a good lynch today.

On May 23 2015 03:59 Stutters695 wrote:

You're also very disinterested and quite frankly I wouldn't expect your best scum game considering you can just coast.

On May 23 2015 04:04 Qwerty! wrote:
It's my vote accidentally entered as Sealoz's.

On May 23 2015 04:22 Qwerty! wrote:
If we're really going to switch, I'd much prefer to switch to Oatsmaster.

On May 23 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:
IF YOU GUYS DON'T LYNCH SHOCKEY I WILL LYNCH BABY SEALS TO DEATH

On May 23 2015 04:27 Damdred wrote:
Shockeys last post was pretty good.

On May 23 2015 04:33 Damdred wrote:


uhhh the post was good had a nice line of thought to it

On May 23 2015 04:39 The Shining wrote:
##Vote: Qwerty!

Too much switching. I have a feeling. Let's do this.

On May 23 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:
I want my scumread lynched. Sup?

No one down?

On May 23 2015 04:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There is literally 0 reason to townread Shockey at this point.

He isn't reading the game.
The things he's saying are objectively wrong.
He is blatantly misrepping things dead townies have said.
He doesn't care about moving the game forward and isn't questioning any of his suspects.

WHY IS HE STILL ALIVE?

On May 23 2015 04:54 Stutters695 wrote:
Qwerty or Zealos, Shockey should not be lynched

On May 23 2015 04:58 Stutters695 wrote:

I posted it right after my case on Damdred.

On May 23 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
UHM

What?

On May 23 2015 05:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:


You talk about me, but you've barely been here all game, then all the sudden you want to jump in and try to "help the town". At least I've been around since the very beginning and I've been trying to kill off the one person I know to be mafia: Obi. Him and Zealos were exactly the same in regards to posting, both having minimal posts with little to no content at all that help the town.

And of course I'm upset my case flipped town. It was my first case against some one that people sheeped and I came out wrong. Of course I'm going to be upset.

On May 23 2015 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also I play hearthstone.
The adventures cost so much gold.

On May 24 2015 03:22 Stutters695 wrote:

You still haven't addressed any of my points. That's what worries me especially.

On May 24 2015 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:



What? You didn't write anything worth while. Please explain why we should save Obi or why am I scum? Because in Obi's filter he does nothing to try and protect town. And every time you mention me you just say I'm scum but nothing to offer or show how I can be scum. Damdred is more obvious town than Obi will ever be.

On May 24 2015 03:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Please show me. Not one of his posts straight up mention how I can be scum.

On May 24 2015 03:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I have, multiple times, have you?

On May 24 2015 04:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Playing HS right now.

It seems I've built an okay-ish mage deck

On May 24 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
Since this will be the last day if things go badly, claim your role stutters and any information you can have

On May 24 2015 07:44 The Shining wrote:


Already answered that. You're doing a great job of reading and filtering someone you think is scum. Keep it up.

On May 24 2015 08:41 Damdred wrote:
Here's the deal I need to find one more towny I believe to successfully Poe the game.

Obi/shockey/oats/qwerty

I have,me shining oneg and stutters as town.

If you are blue claim 100-% of the tile now btw.

On May 24 2015 09:19 Damdred wrote:
I 100% believe stutters claim.

Your first thought damdred must be mafia then you go and vote with someone who is possible mafia and help them pile votes up.

On May 24 2015 10:18 Damdred wrote:
Honestlyt though Obi stance is kinda weird here.

Firstly last night he says he would believe my claim over stutters suddenly he doesn't believe the claim or trust me when he inferred before he did.

He is just going after shockey at this stage without reassessing the rest of the game. And not paying attention to the other people voting for him.

I kinda think he's Scum now

On May 24 2015 10:44 Stutters695 wrote:
Like if you're already outed, there is no incentive not to unless you're lying. More info for mylo.

On May 24 2015 13:01 Qwerty! wrote:
lol

On May 25 2015 10:01 Damdred wrote:
I'm honestly spent with this game. From GB tunnel to my ultimate town read being an idiot and calling me scum when I'm making a play so nobody looks at either of us and the game is poed down to obi, shockey and oats.

I really don't care if I get lynched tbh scum can get this win I could care more.

However just so people know trfel is wrong in most games have two power roles, most of the time its three with a possibility of four depending on the wrakness/strength of the roles involved.

Just lynch me get this game over, the most active player got tunneled by confirmed town and now we are probably going to lynch me or who knows. Ok probably voting for qwerty or whatever and hope shockey is scum Idc

On May 25 2015 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:

HOW MANY BLUES DO YOU THINK THERE ARE MAN.
WHAT THE FUCK.
##vote damdred

On May 25 2015 15:31 Qwerty! wrote:
ShoCkeyy might be scum. This is a possibility.

I doubt this because given the thread state and thread activity, mafia simply will not bus here. It's just the last thing they want to do. Almost everyone finds it very hard to play scum, and they don't like posting as scum. When the game is in the bag, it's best to just go win it while you can and not force yourselves to play another day.

I think this largely clears ShoCkeyy as town. If you disagree, I hope you agree that I've shown why he could be town here, and why lynching him is risky. And I hope that what I have said, combined with the case I will soon (hopefully) make, will show why Damdred has a very good chance of being scum. Lynch Damdred now, take the easier scum now, worry about ShoCkeyy another time.

On May 25 2015 22:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Obi, at this point from a town perspective, who would you lynch besides me and why? I know you mentioned Damdred, but what's the reason why?

At this point I'm willing to try and make sure we can get a correct scum lynch before the day is over. I was on the first counter wagon against you due to wrong reads and association, I was playing at a lazy pace due to a lot of work, but it was a better wagon than Vivax who ended up being town. The second lead wagon was Zealos, who you can't blame looked like mafia from the get go, the lack of posting showed he quit when they targeted him which made him an easy accidental lynch.

The game has gotten to a point where I now need to show more attention, the post Qwerty! made about Damdred is very good, all in all, we've had more people read Damdred and point out flaws than anybody else in this game. Yet Damdred is very loose about the game in terms of winning or losing, that just seems odd to me. A town player would always want to go for the win. Even if they're just mostly lurking - which makes Qwerty! to me a town player, especially now that he's trying to bring flames at the last minute.

Now I know you have questions for me before you decide to let me into your wagon and I will answer to the best of my ability.

On May 25 2015 16:44 Qwerty! wrote:
I've said about all I have to say.

But I find it interesting, for how much Damdred apparently doesn't care if he is mislynched, he seems to be caring quite a bit here.

On May 25 2015 16:36 Damdred wrote:
What your saying basically is trust a case by GB that doesn't make anyone mafia.

Trust palmar who's only reason to scum read me was tone. But has never caught me by tone before but by content or lack thereof.

or trust someone in trfel who hasn't re evaluated anything during mylo? Has said one lynch today has tried to push off sjockey and onto damdred piggy backing other peoples cases.

This is classic scum play here.

On May 26 2015 01:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Qwerty comes off as town at this point, his voting says he really doesn't know who he wants to lynch and is at least trying to make correct choices based on people's views of others. Obi at this point is really reading town to me after all the misguided lynches I was after.

On May 26 2015 01:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:




This post right here confirmed to me that Damdred is mafia. Why would he list us together as mafia? We obviously didn't share the same views from the beginning of the game, even if were in the same team as mafia, I doubt my posts would still be like they are now. Now that I'm trying to fix my mistakes and win as a town, he's listing us as scum? But trying to go on your side to lynch me?

On May 26 2015 03:59 Damdred wrote:
Obi can we switch to trfel please

On May 26 2015 04:13 Stutters695 wrote:
Obviously not when there is no reason to.

We need to be lynching Damdred or Trfel. I'm more on Damdred scum, but either one is a way better lynch than Shockeyy

On May 26 2015 04:16 Qwerty! wrote:
ShoCkeyy, please vote in the voting thread.

ObiWanShinobi, can you not see how he is twisting things here? He hasn't quoted any of the answers that I asked for, which he claims to have already given. Instead, he's accusing me of claiming other people's arguments as my own, while I haven't claimed a single thing on my own. The only thing that I'm claiming is a desire to get Damdred lynched.

On May 26 2015 04:56 Stutters695 wrote:
Wat

On May 26 2015 07:28 Stutters695 wrote:
Because you tried to lynch me for not claiming instead of people with valid points against them?