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On May 30 2015 01:11 plotspot wrote:
But I am not sure, if there were really 2 Masons, 1 Town RB, and 1 Cop, could a 2 GF and 1 RB setup make up for it or even a 4th mafia? Can someone tell me? Like I don't want to tunnel on Tictock again here, if the setup of the above holds.
Do you realize that you're currently again confusing people, though you promised you'd stop? I am confused as fuck now.
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Thus far I've read nothing that would convince me that the RB claim is seriously legit. Also I feel like Sulf's defenses (and the one that tictocks did for him) were really solid.
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On May 30 2015 01:35 batsnacks wrote:
Tiktok don't vote plot. Even if he is the mafia rb he has to do what we say now. We can just make him rb whoever we want and if he doesn't listen we can lynch him.
Good point. Next up on my list would be 27nb or dis. Still saying Sulf is probably town.
##unvote ##vote Disformation
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On May 30 2015 01:47 Tictock wrote:Hole crap do I have to keep spelling this out for everyone? Plots is Mafia Goon. Bara is GF He was willing to play so crazy today because between the check from bats and his invented RB stuff, which we only have word of through plots and Bara, would give Bara plenty of towncred to ride out much of the game. Especially when Town is so willing to sit around lynching people not talking much. These 2 people are the only ones saying I made some crazy defense of Sul here, when it's at best a null read. They are also the only 2 clinging to this RB role, since it's what their towncred relies on.
On May 30 2015 01:41 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 21:52 Tictock wrote:
Last thought before I go away.
Nobody claimed RB until N2.
This was well after I started an unhealthy discussion regarding setup speculation. Could the RB claim just be a scum claim? Barakos and plots being scum members, thus pretending to be blocker and blocked? Maybe besides scum RB, no RB is in.
Thoughts on this?
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On May 30 2015 01:51 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 01:49 batsnacks wrote:On May 30 2015 01:47 Tictock wrote:Hole crap do I have to keep spelling this out for everyone? Plots is Mafia Goon. Bara is GF He was willing to play so crazy today because between the check from bats and his invented RB stuff, which we only have word of through plots and Bara, would give Bara plenty of towncred to ride out much of the game. Especially when Town is so willing to sit around lynching people not talking much. These 2 people are the only ones saying I made some crazy defense of Sul here, when it's at best a null read. They are also the only 2 clinging to this RB role, since it's what their towncred relies on. Dude, listen. Tonight force plot to roleblock you. If he doesn't obey, lynch him. Problem solved. I realize this is an option, but why not him today then asses Sul or 27nb tomorrow? I'd rather maximize our chance of catching Scum today.
But we're not maximizing our chances if we lynch plots today. We maximize our chances to not mislynch him by making him RB someone at night while not changing our chances to lynch scum today and tomorrow.
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How likely is it to have only one mason in the setup? Tictok's tunneling way too hard IMHO. However I still think he's the second mason but I want to point out every possibility.
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On May 30 2015 02:21 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 01:48 boxerfred wrote:On May 30 2015 01:35 batsnacks wrote:
Tiktok don't vote plot. Even if he is the mafia rb he has to do what we say now. We can just make him rb whoever we want and if he doesn't listen we can lynch him. Good point. Next up on my list would be 27nb or dis. Still saying Sulf is probably town. ##unvote ##vote Disformation kay. whatevs. Have you at least read my answer to your question? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=86#1716Also: + Show Spoiler +
Yes. You still did not answer my question. I was not asking how you came down to that list, I was asking how you said "There is a godfather" and "bunnies is greenchecked and thus a confirmed townie". I can get point one. I can get point two. If you say both at the same time, you create a paradox.
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On May 30 2015 02:26 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 02:20 boxerfred wrote:
How likely is it to have only one mason in the setup? Tictok's tunneling way too hard IMHO. However I still think he's the second mason but I want to point out every possibility. breske would have let us no 0% chance theres only 1 mason
i don't get this answer. mind to explain?
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On May 30 2015 02:40 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 02:27 boxerfred wrote:On May 30 2015 02:21 disformation wrote:On May 30 2015 01:48 boxerfred wrote:On May 30 2015 01:35 batsnacks wrote:
Tiktok don't vote plot. Even if he is the mafia rb he has to do what we say now. We can just make him rb whoever we want and if he doesn't listen we can lynch him. Good point. Next up on my list would be 27nb or dis. Still saying Sulf is probably town. ##unvote ##vote Disformation kay. whatevs. Have you at least read my answer to your question? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=86#1716Also: + Show Spoiler + Yes. You still did not answer my question. I was not asking how you came down to that list, I was asking how you said "There is a godfather" and "bunnies is greenchecked and thus a confirmed townie". I can get point one. I can get point two. If you say both at the same time, you create a paradox. ... FFS Next try: - Make a pool of all people alive.
- Remove people with claims and checks and so on
- If we randomly lynch one of those people we have a 66% chance to hit mafia IF there is no GF
[*]IF there is a GF: this chance is 33% IF one of bunnies or barakos is the GF
This is not a paradox... better?  @ sicklucker: Care to explain why you said BM might be scum in this post: Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 21:37 sicklucker wrote:
Well im pretty convinced. One scum is definitely [b##unvote ]##vote 21ninjabunnies
When she flips ill figure out which one of sulp/barak/boxerfred made up fake reasons to scum read. Could also be bm Earlier D2 you had him cleared off all suspicion after reading through scott's filter and saying scott spewed him town.
..much better. I like that explanation . ##unvote
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Also I love how your posts starts with "FFS" and ends with "" :D
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On May 30 2015 02:48 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 01:59 Sulfurus wrote:
@Tictock please please please don't vote on Plots today. Obviously Batsnacks dies tonight but on the next night Mafia has to kill him since at this point he is a superior medic (he can prevent a KP regardless of who it is on and he confirms a mafia) so there is no point in doing mafia's job for them. This is what I was trying to say with my previous post so hopefully this gets through to you this time.
Right now my POE list is NinjaBunnies, Sicklucker, BoxerFred, and Disformation (no offense to the town on the list, I just think Barakos is townier) so we should lynch one of those names, preferably Bunnies.
And yes if a VT ever gets NK before a blue feel free to go ham on Plots. This post honestly looks like town getting town to stop doing stuff. Sound reasoning. PoE list looks reasonable. But I'd like to hear a few explanations about that. 27ninjabunnies starts to give me an annoyed/frustrated town vibe... and I kinda have a feeling that D2 was between two town wagons (yeah a feeling is probably not a really solid reasoning, but whatevs :p). I am also not really fond of the odds of lynching into a green check... Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus
I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped...  but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing... tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p also phone post. will be at home in 30min Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know. How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read. I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town. So I really need to look into my two remaining choices: boxerfred and sicklucker...
Yeah, or you and sicklucker *rolls eyes*. You and me are so fucking interchangeable. Since I'm not maf, I'm re-picking up my vote on you. ##vote Disformation. Seriously you're not even trying to understand my reads regarding plots and 27nb, you just keep yolo'ing on people. I'm willing to bet money on you unvoting in a bit and follow the main train anyways. I said it before and I say it again, I do not like this play at all.
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I really wanna get RB'ed next night. That would imply two things: a) if I'm a scum member and decide to kill someone I'll be blocked b) if scum decides to not shoot someone to make townies feel like there was no NK due to me being blocked and make me look scum by that, cop survives another night.
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also that would strengthen the RB claim a lot - basically doing what batsnacks advised.
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also whoever gets roleblocked when a NK happens is basically confirmed town so yeah here we go. Just don't lynch the RB today.
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On May 30 2015 03:09 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 02:57 boxerfred wrote:
Yeah, or you and sicklucker *rolls eyes*. You and me are so fucking interchangeable. Since I'm not maf, I'm re-picking up my vote on you. ##vote Disformation. Seriously you're not even trying to understand my reads regarding plots and 27nb, you just keep yolo'ing on people. I'm willing to bet money on you unvoting in a bit and follow the main train anyways. I said it before and I say it again, I do not like this play at all. You are awefully quick to pick up that vote after I mention your name. And I think I already unvoted. (Vote count please?) But stay with me: Without the blue claims and myself who is left: bunnies: who looks not good at all on D2 and D3, but has a green check. Not 100% comfortable to lynch a green check. Sulfurus: who looked really good D1, did nothing D2, looks at bit better as of today. boxerfred: Not really sold either way. sicklucker: Looks pretty good D3, but there are some D2 plays that confuse me and he hasn't even bothered to explain. Also ridic hard to read overall. disformation: yeah I am not the greatest, but in my mind it is obvious that I am at trying to solve this. I am also trying to show you WHY I am waffling that much. Also since sicklucker tried this already we know that I am not allowed to vote myself.  So. 3+ people on that list are town making the game a lot harder and I am having a hard time deciding who on that list is the scummiest person around.
Yeah keep going at me. Oh you already did what I expected you to do. Now get on a train please. Your pattern switched so fucking hard since there was a coinflip on a scum member on D1. I pointed that out like every single day until now. "You're not the greatest"? More WIFOM please.
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On May 30 2015 03:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
BF, that was a weird as f post.
yeah I can go full plots by now
or you can just explain some things that were brought up against you (also by dis by the way).
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On May 30 2015 03:25 disformation wrote:Yo. Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote:On May 27 2015 22:40 boxerfred wrote:On May 27 2015 22:23 Tictock wrote:
@BF
The whole SK thing was some tinfoil hat theory that I liked too much and took seriously. I suggest we go back to ignoring it until we at least find more scum.
I get your thinking on Dis, but to me that's just a sign on him being a new player and not being sure of his own reads. You could probably make this argument about me, but I like pushing what I see pretty hard.
Lets for a moment put aside our thoughts about Dis and SL.
Who are you fairly confident is town?
Where do you think we should look for scum in our shortening list of players? I wouldn't put that aside as fast as you do it. Changing a posting pattern is a serious thing. I get your "he's new" approach but I think you forget that dis is very conscious of posting patterns, he mentioned my pattern in a post. He must know that posting patterns are quite telly and he even took it in account when he was pushing me. So I at least want to know why his pattern changed so much. Any info, disinfo? I am fairly confident that Breshke is town. Can't tell for sure of course but his posts are very reasonable. He's taking his time to argue and he's very fair towards people, decently pushing at the same time though. I held batsnacks for town (also because he read me town basically all the time) but that might just be him pocketing me. I don't have a read on you, tictock, and feel like you should be under some more pressure or at least give some info on what your current reads are, now that BM flipped coin. I think putting SL aside at least until EoN is a good thing. We have no new clues thus far and he's fairly active, arguing in a weird but relatively reasonal way. Seems to have stopped yolo'ing. When it comes to scum, I'm still holding the 27nb and SL torch, throwing a bit of disinfo into it. Wasn't that your last read on 27ninjabunnies? Why aren't you voting her now? Why do you pick me over her? Why not make a case on sicklucker? Also at this point stating that you are on me since D2 sounds a lot like tunneling. Also If you were town you wouldn't go this mad on the only person really pushing you... do you want to discredit me, so others won't look at my facts this hard?
Just read my posts. I always answered to your questions and will continue do so. I'm am by now simply totally mad that you keep pushing me all the time. I feel like you're tunneling me over and over again and I'm seriously pissed by that. I said so fucking often that I'd love to take you as a town but you're just continuing to push on me. Notice how noone really picked up on your thoughts? You're continously trying to get me over the line, waiting for me to discredit myself. That's not going to happen. You just manage to get me madder and madder.
Okay. I'll now answer your question since I feel like I banging my head against your brick wall will only make my head hurt. I need to calm the fuck down.
I am currently not voting bunnies because I want pressure being put on you, not on bunnies. While you (for some obscure feeling) hold bunnies for town (you feel like "Lynching BM and bunnies might've turned out as a double town flip somehow"), I still don't feel like that. Note that my vote on D2 made the BM train stop, when I voted I had the deciding vote on bunnies. Also note that I said hours ago that I'll be around EoD. I have plenty of time to hop on bunnies (or even on SL if I feel like it).
Next up: why did I not make a case on SL? Because you successfully got me mad. On a more serious note: his posts this day are few only but have a towny and reasonal tone, contrary to his D2 behaviour. That makes me feel a lot like he's carefully trying to sort out who of the (I think) 5 people among who are 2 scum members are town to not mis-lynch anyone now.
Why am I not pressuring bunnies in some way? If you read through my posts of today, you'll see that I poke her over and over again. I'm not letting go of her. Also, cop voting on her puts a lot of weight on her. Regarding the questions people raised towards her which she answered: I feel like there are more questions. Didn't concentrate on this though since I'm still having a scum read on her. Nothing she said made me really reconsider my read.
"Also at this point stating that you are on me since D2 sounds a lot like tunneling." Hell, this is not the first time I point out that I'm on you. This is not the first time I point out that your posting behaviour changed a lot. I also said that you yourself were the one bringing me on the idea of looking for posting patterns.
"Also If you were town you wouldn't go this mad on the only person really pushing you" I think especially if I'm town I'd be upset about that. If I'd be scum, the easiest thing for me to say would be "look dis and me are going at each other anyways don't take him seriously". I think bats even said something like this.
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By now I feel like we're tunneling each other and trying to prove each other being a scum member pretty hard. Which is fun and like really destructive.
I am a bit annoyed though, since I don't see that helping town
By now I can see people thinking that we're both scum. Noone would say that we're on the same team by now. I feel like a mad man by now.
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so is anyone going to make a case on SL now?
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My daughter keeps waking up, she's ill. I want to make a case on SL but can't really find the time for it.
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