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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 26 2015 13:19 GMT
#1134
On May 26 2015 22:18 batsnacks wrote:
idk BF what if everyone is an SK and we all targeted Rels?

I'm just saying that I don't get why you go that hard on "THERE IS NO SK". I think there is!
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 26 2015 13:20 GMT
#1135
This game took a turn for the worse by now, arguing whether a role is in or not should not be an issue IMHO.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 26 2015 14:02 GMT
#1139
On May 26 2015 22:31 Barakos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2015 22:20 boxerfred wrote:
This game took a turn for the worse by now, arguing whether a role is in or not should not be an issue IMHO.


As batsnacks and I said - stop talking about sk please and focus on important stuff.

Well if SL is SK and we all agree on "there is no SK" it wouldn't be the most intelligent move to kill someone next night, would it? So we can all just vote bunnies now.

##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 26 2015 14:07 GMT
#1140
On May 26 2015 22:33 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2015 22:19 boxerfred wrote:
On May 26 2015 22:18 batsnacks wrote:
idk BF what if everyone is an SK and we all targeted Rels?

I'm just saying that I don't get why you go that hard on "THERE IS NO SK". I think there is!


Okay so, yes, TECHNICALLY there could be but it is unlikely. The reason I'm going hard on the THERE IS NO SK thing is that in most mafia games, someone would scumread you for this highly speculative role speculation. It makes you look like you are distancing yourself from the much more probable and relevant discussions happening in the thread, which is technically scummy.

It's the same with speculating about masons. Town gains very little from speculating about roles it usually helps mafia more than town, so best practice is usually to not talk about it until someone claims.

I understand that perspective, didn't think of it. I still think though that connections between roles are the most reliant way to find out about someone's alignment. Connections lead to decisions that are supported by more than one player, thus providing a way to nail someone on something. I want to discuss my theories and speculations rather openly since I want to help in a constructive way.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 26 2015 15:18 GMT
#1158
I'll be around for 15 more minutes, then I'll be out for some hours. I think I'll be there in time for EoD. I want to see more pressure on Bill Murray, now that disinformation calls him lurky. I'm willing to give batsnacks a clean town lean by now, I'm unsure about SL by now and I don't see 27nb responding too well. Her points raised on BM are not too bad though.

##unvote

##vote Bill Murray

I'll be soon enough here to unvote BM if he responds in a good way. I'd like to see a bit more pressure und Sulfuras.
If you guys decide to pressure me in the meantime, be sure that I'll check the thread before EoD, roughly one hour before. Seeya then.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 26 2015 20:26 GMT
#1214
On May 27 2015 04:29 Tictock wrote:
@27nb

What do you think about my last post regarding plots?

I agree about BF, he seems to be sheeping the popular opinion today. I also really don't like him looking for masons. Like he seems to be thinking it would help town to know who is masons so we have more confirmed town. Yet his possible masons are all people largely being townread, so how is that thinking helpful?

Which is wrong, I already pushed disinformation which was not popular at all, starting EoN. Also, I explained thoroughly why I voted for Sicklucker. Then, being sick of the SK discussion, I voted on bunnies without having my own follow up on other people's read.

Can't do much about you not liking me trying to identify masons. I feel like with one scum member down, a mislynch becomes very possible. So I really want to gain any information I can get on who is most likely a town member.

You are generalizing the mason thing, thus leaning me towards scum. Do you have any more reasons to do so beyond the ones I already replied to with this post? Why are you holding me scum for apparently sheeping a popular vote when you are not doing the same for disformation, who still has to reply to some pressure and changed his pushing pattern from day 1 to a lurker pattern today? He already admitted to rather accept a random coinflip then potentially(! note, potentially. chances were not above 50% in my opinion) having a train on himself? Please explain that. Gonna skim through your posts later. I'm reading you town but I didn't pay too much attention on your posts alone yet.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 26 2015 20:27 GMT
#1215
Saying that, I don't feel like lynching BM is a good idea at this point. The arguments brought up on bunnies were strong, and all she did was replying with her own push on BM. I'll leave my vote where it is. I don't feel like "hey can you reply to that?" - "No, but I can push on someone else" is a good thing.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 26 2015 20:30 GMT
#1217
Let me elaborate further: while I think that putting pressure on BM is a good idea, we shouldn't toss another coin into the inactivity well and hope for a miracle. We were lucky enough to flip scott as scum. Not very likely that it happens a second time.

##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 26 2015 22:14 GMT
#1242
... going to bed now. Good night.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 07:51 GMT
#1293
On May 27 2015 16:12 sicklucker wrote:
Who would disinofs partner be?

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 06:13 disformation wrote:
On May 23 2015 06:01 sicklucker wrote:
vote count? anyone voting disinfo? I might

disinfo can you list your read. I have no idea what your reads are and you posted alot not a good sign


I think there are two votes on me. Barakos and Breshkia. Okay... list post time. *ugh*
I will keep this short, if you want to know more details and why, please ask.

top town: rels, ticktock
town lean: breshkia, batsnacks
please start doing stuff soon: plotspot, scott
scum lean: sulfurus (until he answers my question at least), BM (super defensive and aggressive when Sulfurus voted on him)

rethinking:
bunnies: scum lean (hence the case) -> slight town lean of the answers -> rethinking right now (was probably to easily swayed)
barakos: he is a bit tunnely towards me, but that is okay, need to look at his other reads/interactions
sicklucker: you are trying a lot harder than last game, not sure if that is a good or bad sign for you, so I have you kinda nullish. Your current interactions with me make me lean town towards you.
boxerfred: not sure if new scum or new town


one of the rethinkers right? boxer and me are less likely mafia for not voting bm.That leaves just barakos maybe bats as his partners. Not sure if he pushes his partner bunnies but its possible

Your logic is flawed: if 27nb and BM are both town, the vote on bunnies is not containing any proof for the voters being townies. I hate to potentially put a bad light on myself but that's how it is.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 07:53 GMT
#1294
On May 27 2015 07:34 plotspot wrote:
Okay, maybe it’s time we talk about this now. I have received a visit from the RB on N1.
I have no idea who did this but, it must be someone who thought I might be scum and checked on it with his night action on N1. Who the hell might do that?

That would explain the no vigi/no sk kill in night 1, wouldn't it?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 07:59 GMT
#1298
On May 27 2015 16:56 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2015 16:39 Barakos wrote:
Same reason I didn't vote for scott D1

Explained it in the same post i said i didn't like lynching bunnies.
In my first (and up till now only) game here, i won as mafia because town lynched all the inactives first while I was one of the three most active players and got a pass till lylo, where all I had to do was chose the right one to hammer the last vote and win...
I basically had a free pass till end of game, because every lynch was on the inactives. So I think - and my experience backs me up on this - that lynching inactives is just an easy way for mafia to gett further into the game and towards mylo/lylo.
Ask breshke, he was in that game as well.


Thats a pretty wissshy washy answer. For one bm was more inactive then bunnies. And realistcly if you dont lynched inactives that is pro mafia because it leaves inactives around for end of game lynches.

Now that bm flipped town do you not see the logic I was providing that explained why he was town?
Can you link us to your scum game

Barakos, if you're so worried about not lynching inactives, why didn't you push on someone more actively and stayed in your lurker role?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 08:01 GMT
#1300
On May 27 2015 17:00 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2015 16:53 boxerfred wrote:
On May 27 2015 07:34 plotspot wrote:
Okay, maybe it’s time we talk about this now. I have received a visit from the RB on N1.
I have no idea who did this but, it must be someone who thought I might be scum and checked on it with his night action on N1. Who the hell might do that?

That would explain the no vigi/no sk kill in night 1, wouldn't it?


only if theres 2kp tonight. And even then theres other possiblitys. (held shot)

Thinking about a sk is pointless because its so unlikely

I really need to stop it then. All mafia (/werewolf) games I played in real life had the roles announced pre-game, so you'd clearly know what roles are in. I'm really used to that.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 13:13 GMT
#1345
On May 27 2015 20:48 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2015 16:09 sicklucker wrote:
disinfo acualy pushed bunnies unlike the other scrubs altho he got swayed at the end


Yeah. I get the feeling that I am swayed too easy. My waffling is really bad this game, too. Should try harder to eliminate these aspects from my play. -.-
At least my pushing is a bit better than last game, imo.
Semi-present... trying to reevaluate some stuff. If you have questions axe me some.

As I said before, you're pushing people rather fast, you back off rather easily. I think the one you pushed hardest was me, forcing my rather long reply that made you back off again. Since you stopped your pushing attempts, I didn't see you do much for town. You're playing so safe, jumping the most likely train without being too sure. I mean, if you're so sure of both 27nb and BM being town, why wouldn't you unvote them? You were around short before EoD if I remember correctly.

Of course this is not indicating that you're scum. But it indicates that you're playing very defensive. Why?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 13:14 GMT
#1346
By now, I have no idea where I should lean disinformation and SL. Simply can't tell. The SK may or may not be in thing confused me so badly, a whole train of thoughts for me was lost.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 13:35 GMT
#1352
On May 27 2015 22:20 Breshke wrote:
Boxer what about bunnies? I want her to be the lynch tomorrow. What do you think about that?

I like the approach. She responded to the push by blaming BM who flipped town. She did not really reply to what was brought up against her. Also, I have no alternatives, so pressuring her is a good thing.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 13:40 GMT
#1356
On May 27 2015 22:23 Tictock wrote:
@BF
The whole SK thing was some tinfoil hat theory that I liked too much and took seriously. I suggest we go back to ignoring it until we at least find more scum.

I get your thinking on Dis, but to me that's just a sign on him being a new player and not being sure of his own reads. You could probably make this argument about me, but I like pushing what I see pretty hard.

Lets for a moment put aside our thoughts about Dis and SL.

Who are you fairly confident is town?
Where do you think we should look for scum in our shortening list of players?

I wouldn't put that aside as fast as you do it. Changing a posting pattern is a serious thing. I get your "he's new" approach but I think you forget that dis is very conscious of posting patterns, he mentioned my pattern in a post. He must know that posting patterns are quite telly and he even took it in account when he was pushing me. So I at least want to know why his pattern changed so much. Any info, disinfo?

I am fairly confident that Breshke is town. Can't tell for sure of course but his posts are very reasonable. He's taking his time to argue and he's very fair towards people, decently pushing at the same time though. I held batsnacks for town (also because he read me town basically all the time) but that might just be him pocketing me.
I don't have a read on you, tictock, and feel like you should be under some more pressure or at least give some info on what your current reads are, now that BM flipped coin.

I think putting SL aside at least until EoN is a good thing. We have no new clues thus far and he's fairly active, arguing in a weird but relatively reasonal way. Seems to have stopped yolo'ing.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 13:41 GMT
#1357
On May 27 2015 22:40 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2015 22:23 Tictock wrote:
@BF
The whole SK thing was some tinfoil hat theory that I liked too much and took seriously. I suggest we go back to ignoring it until we at least find more scum.

I get your thinking on Dis, but to me that's just a sign on him being a new player and not being sure of his own reads. You could probably make this argument about me, but I like pushing what I see pretty hard.

Lets for a moment put aside our thoughts about Dis and SL.

Who are you fairly confident is town?
Where do you think we should look for scum in our shortening list of players?

I wouldn't put that aside as fast as you do it. Changing a posting pattern is a serious thing. I get your "he's new" approach but I think you forget that dis is very conscious of posting patterns, he mentioned my pattern in a post. He must know that posting patterns are quite telly and he even took it in account when he was pushing me. So I at least want to know why his pattern changed so much. Any info, disinfo?

I am fairly confident that Breshke is town. Can't tell for sure of course but his posts are very reasonable. He's taking his time to argue and he's very fair towards people, decently pushing at the same time though. I held batsnacks for town (also because he read me town basically all the time) but that might just be him pocketing me.
I don't have a read on you, tictock, and feel like you should be under some more pressure or at least give some info on what your current reads are, now that BM flipped coin.

I think putting SL aside at least until EoN is a good thing. We have no new clues thus far and he's fairly active, arguing in a weird but relatively reasonal way. Seems to have stopped yolo'ing.

When it comes to scum, I'm still holding the 27nb and SL torch, throwing a bit of disinfo into it.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 13:44 GMT
#1358
Reading through breshke's last post, I realize that I tend to forget sulf due to his inactivity. I need to skim through Barakus' posts and try to get a read on him, didn't bother so far. Still at work, so I'll try to give a read on him later on, in like 3-4 hours.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 27 2015 13:45 GMT
#1359
wow I'm obviously tired. I give sulf a null lean so far. Nothing too townie, nothing too scummy.
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