So far I'm most suspicious of damdred whose first post particularly bothered me by the sheer amount of BS concentrated in such few words:
On May 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: O, hai!
I'm John Travolta!
Yamato and HTS are Mafia.
This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying.
However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content.
Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread.
HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.
KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point.
LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do.
[/QUOTE] So far HTS had post just his first post which I like others have found pretty underwhelming and somewhat suspicious due to tone. Maybe it's possible damdred doesn't agree with this, but to find it "to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says" is pretty much impossible imo. This feels very very fake to me. Also the KSC read that follows is very ircky. It's a pretty weak read but very detailed in some convoluted way to end up arriving in a random conclusion. It does not sit well with me and I believe a towny would wait a bit for his read to mature before giving out this read, since it seems it's just there to fill up space, it's not a strong read and shouldn't be explained so much if no strong conclusion was drawn.
On May 10 2015 15:24 TalkingDead wrote: GlowingBear's reads are definitely odd. For example, how he says the read is magic then tries to give a short crappy explanation for why he's scum. I get the sense that Damdred-GlowingBear is either town-town or mafia-mafia. It's odd because Damdred looks reasonably towny and GlowingBear looks like mafia. Damdred despite apparently being a strong player uses pretty weak arguments against him. It just feels like both want to throw shit at each other and neither are interested in actually starting a train on them.
Onegu looks quite odd. Yamato looks really towny though; he can do this as mafia but I'd peg him as town. So far, I'd lynch BillMurray. I've seen him as town and as town he rarely does absolutely nothing and be useless. I would prefer him as a lynch. BlazingHand should be policy lynches/shot ASAP. Rsoultin is being townread for very bad reasons; she's might be town, but nothing he's posted is something she couldn't have or wouldn't have posted as mafia. Otherwise, meh.
Another post that really bothered me was this one. I don't know how he got this idea that it must be town-town or mafia-mafia interaction but he is seems to be adamant about pushing it, but not about explaning why it must be. "It's odd because Damdred looks reasonably towny and GlowingBear looks like mafia." if this was his first impression why come to the conclusion they share the same alignment? Again it looks like and idea he is trying to push and not something that has logic or reasoning behind which feels like mafia agenda. This is further enforced by his next post which he saves himself the trouble of talking about damdred at all but now pushes the idea that it must be a town-town interaction with GB.
marvellosity's intro is another one that I found pretty meh as well. I would expect more inquiries from him, maybe all condensed into a single post to adapt to the post cap. Instead I found nothing besides a read that I dissagree with. I'm going to keep an eye on him.
@talkinghead Quote: "GlowingBear In looking through things there are a few things I find interesting. On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
4)Kelsen
Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS.
Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread.
I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)
Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.
6)LS
Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh.
I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here.
5)Damdred This post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now. "
If I'm reading correctly you say there is plenty of reasons to suspect GB, wouldn't be against his lynch because there is definitely something wrong, but somehow you STILL think damdred and GB are the same alignment for some obscure reason that you never revealed AND now you think it's likely the are town-town??? WTF is this shit. I can't buy into a single thing you are saying, this feels like a huge pile of horse shit.
@LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town.
On May 11 2015 05:27 sandroba wrote: So far I'm most suspicious of damdred whose first post particularly bothered me by the sheer amount of BS concentrated in such few words:
This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying.
However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content.
Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread.
HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.
KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point.
LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do.
So far HTS had post just his first post which I like others have found pretty underwhelming and somewhat suspicious due to tone. Maybe it's possible damdred doesn't agree with this, but to find it "to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says" is pretty much impossible imo. This feels very very fake to me. Also the KSC read that follows is very ircky. It's a pretty weak read but very detailed in some convoluted way to end up arriving in a random conclusion. It does not sit well with me and I believe a towny would wait a bit for his read to mature before giving out this read, since it seems it's just there to fill up space, it's not a strong read and shouldn't be explained so much if no strong conclusion was drawn.
@damdred any comments on what I've said about TD? I feel that I made a pretty strong point. And regarding about me saying what other people stated I'm reading the thread for the first time and I've shared my thoughts. I don't think anyone else has adressed the issues I've adressed in quite the same way and if somehow I've missed it and they share my feelings I'm glad that they do. I'm kinda on the fence about you because you've said so much, but I can't help but feel like a lot that you've said doesn't make much sense/ doesn't add up/ looks like fake content. It might as well be that you are town producing huge amounts of BS to try to look town, which I don't think is a particularly good strategy, however the way you've adressed the suspicions saying acting scummy was all a part of a plan I'm having a hard time buying into. The person I feel most strongly about is TD and I would like you to share your thoughts on him/ what I've said about him.
On May 11 2015 08:37 Blazinghand wrote: So it seems like things should be prety straightforward in terms of hunting scum. I didn't mention this earlier because I needed people to be posting without knowing about this. Basically, right now people only have PMs revealing alignment, right? What this means is scum do not know who their scumbuddies are. Since they don't want ot accidentally push scumbuddies, for the first 24 hours of the game you can expect scum to not want to give scumreads. They don't want to be forced to backtrack later. So who's giving scumreads and who isn't?
People who haven't given solid scumreads, or have given only joke scumreads:
Marv Onegu Trfel Sandroba Xat bats rso oastmaster LS (I assume, it's kinda hard to read this dude's post) RoL Bill Murray Palm VE JAT Vivax Stutters
People who have made scumreads, or said they want to lynch someone, which would be risky for scum to do: GB HtS (some) Yamato OWS Damdred KSC TD
so GB HtS Yam OWS Damd KSC TD are town, the rest of you are scum ez
First off if you got the same town pm as me I don't know how you can you can derive anything about scum not receiving what their team is along with alignment? That seems to be a pretty outlandish conclusion to be jumping on without extra information. Second saying that haven't given a solid scum read means you haven't read the thread at all, as I've discussed my scum reads quite a bit.
On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake.
On May 11 2015 05:36 sandroba wrote: marvellosity's intro is another one that I found pretty meh as well. I would expect more inquiries from him, maybe all condensed into a single post to adapt to the post cap. Instead I found nothing besides a read that I dissagree with. I'm going to keep an eye on him.
marv doesnt do that.
And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content.
And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially.
Is that rayn?
What exactly marv doesnt do that I said he does? And what exactly sounds fake about my post? Do you find marv's entrance amazing and exactly what he does as town? And both reads he gives (damd town gb scum/weird) I do dissagree with so I don't know what exactly you are trying to get at. And your comment about TD, you hate list posts or do you find them scummy? Other people have done it as well (GB and maybe others) I don't get why TD needs a special "pls don't do that anymore"with no read assossiated. Also you say my shit is planned out and fake but you focus on my least important post and ignore all the shit I've said about damdred and TD. If you wanna say my shit is fake pls adress my main points and show me where you find fake and planned out shit.
On May 10 2015 15:24 TalkingDead wrote: "GlowingBear In looking through things there are a few things I find interesting. On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
4)Kelsen
Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS.
Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread.
I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)
Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.
6)LS
Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh.
I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here.
5)Damdred This post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now.
If I'm reading correctly you say there is plenty of reasons to suspect GB, wouldn't be against his lynch because there is definitely something wrong, but somehow you STILL think damdred and GB are the same alignment for some obscure reason that you never revealed AND now you think it's likely the are town-town??? WTF is this shit. I can't buy into a single thing you are saying, this feels like a huge pile of horse shit.
Reposting this for better formating and because it was mostly ignored.
@rsoul let's hear more from marv first before putting him into a defensive stance. His openning did not impress, but I think TD is much more clear scum at this point. What on both my posts about him that has failed to convince you?
GB is my top town read so far, pretty much every single post he's made I agree with. I believe any questioning pointed towards him at this point is just a waste of space and we should be talking about TD and damdred instead.
On May 11 2015 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Rsoul, just cause you don't town read someone it doesn't mean they are scum. Give me one reason why marv is scum.
Sandro just made a completely unnecessary post calling gb town when nobody is even talking about gb. Why did you make that post Sandro? Also your points involving td are that he has a weird read on gb and damdred? Why is that read scummy?
iirc damdred was talking about GB, hts, and I'm pretty sure some other people are questioning him. I'm also quite sure you have made the same exact read just a page ago. My point on TD is not that his read is weird, but that he is clearly fabricating his "same alignment read" on damdred-gb. In the subsequent post (the huge list one) he ignores the main issue that people were questioning him about (damdred and KSC commented on that and maybe other people did as well that I don't recal) and skips his damdred read completely, makes a long post about very convoluted weak reads, shares some very convoluted suspicion on GB and somehow in the end concludes damdred and GB are town-town out of the blue. It does look like he has conclusions already and is trying to fabricate explanations to fit them, which is mafia behavior. His GB-damdred town-town read might very well be true, but the way he arrives at it is not a way that a townie does.
On May 11 2015 10:49 sandroba wrote: His GB-damdred town-town read might very well be true, but the way he arrives at it is not a way that a townie does.
Considering that I haven't in any realistic way explained either the town-town or mafia-mafia read and that I haven't explained why I've ended up on town-town, you're making some major presumptions about how I arrive at that specific read. Honestly, I think you need to reread the game with a new set of eyes because I think you're really off base about numerous things.
@TD you haven't explained it despite 3 or more people asking you to. Also in your long post you talk about how GB is very suspicious and somehow arrives at damdred and GB are town, which you haven't explained. If somehow you arived at damdred is town, then GB must be town too, then you didn't bother to explain your damdred read in your long post, despite it being the main point of contention of people adressing your post and explained your GB scum read which was already obsolete due to your same alignment logic which doesn't make any sense. I'm always open to read the game with a new set of eyes, but only when new information is presented, so you have to do your part here and provide reasonable explanations people are asking you to.
On May 11 2015 10:55 rsoultin wrote: already gave a reason why marv is scum xP not going to give you more, bobo. read and be enlightened
bueno
willing to compromise on a SCUM and not a NULL because i'm not null-reading marv despite oats' implication to the contrary
mmmm honestly sandro td is just eeeeeeehhhh to me right now...i'm not a big fan of huge list posts with giant explanations and little worth in general, and while the town-town, scum-scum thing is odd i'm not sure how that makes him scum? unless you're implying (as you seem to be) that damdy and td are scum together, and that his linking damdy to gb and townreading gb is his way of implicitly protecting damdy...
i don't really agree with you on the damdred scumread. i've recently played with him as scum...it's not really settling in the same way for me. the best way to put it is fluidity i think but lol...i'm terrible at explaining these types of things if you're basing td's alignment on damdy's i think you're on the wrong track ^^
@rsoul I don't like to make assossiation reads this early into the game, especially with none of the parties involved flipped. They could be scum together, TD might be mafia alone and knows damdred is town and found it hard to justify his read, I could be dead wrong. I'm trying to figure out which, but I believe I'm definetely onto something regarding TD.
If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already.
On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote: If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already.
I can understand the yamato read.
Why Oats?
Random read on me which is illogical and nitpicky. Random defense of marv.
@trfel I don't really like your last post. First is that both your suspicions are kind of weak according to yourself and have disclaimers on them. Doesn't seem like you are trying to accomplish anything with it. You pretty much avoid the whole discussion on TD. All of the town reads seem kinda lazy as well. Also I'm very surprised that you don't include BH in them. If you are town BH should be your top town read.
@marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well.
I guess you know whose smurf it is. But both the other reasons I don't agree with. Only a couple people found him suspicious and most others dissagreed or ignored my post on him. Your posting seems a lot different this game. Any specific reason for the lack of enthusiasm? You don't seem to be trying to figure out the game and everything you say seems a bit bland.
I'm not so sold on bm, while I would love to get rid of him because I think he would do that as mafia, I unfortunatelly don't think it's outside of his range as town. Claiming he has more nukes is kind of townie too, being it a lie or not.
On May 11 2015 07:20 sandroba wrote: @damdred any comments on what I've said about TD? I feel that I made a pretty strong point. And regarding about me saying what other people stated I'm reading the thread for the first time and I've shared my thoughts. I don't think anyone else has adressed the issues I've adressed in quite the same way and if somehow I've missed it and they share my feelings I'm glad that they do. I'm kinda on the fence about you because you've said so much, but I can't help but feel like a lot that you've said doesn't make much sense/ doesn't add up/ looks like fake content. It might as well be that you are town producing huge amounts of BS to try to look town, which I don't think is a particularly good strategy, however the way you've adressed the suspicions saying acting scummy was all a part of a plan I'm having a hard time buying into. The person I feel most strongly about is TD and I would like you to share your thoughts on him/ what I've said about him.
On May 11 2015 05:59 sandroba wrote: @LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town.
On May 11 2015 10:14 sandroba wrote: GB is my top town read so far, pretty much every single post he's made I agree with. I believe any questioning pointed towards him at this point is just a waste of space and we should be talking about TD and damdred instead.
so here you are suspicous of damdred, calling him scum want to talk about him , then
On May 10 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote: hey Kels. Why does anything you say about TalkingDead make him mafia, deary?
This postcount thing making people just list reads feels really weird :p I have Damdred as towny and GB as scumweird for calling him mafia and not a lot else just yet.
On May 11 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote: ok, so just read through the loltastic nuke + anti-nuke. I don't really get why people let this sort of thing slide. Also if BH was going to anti-nuke the nuke, I don't know why he did it so soon, it seems really information-restrictive.
Essentially it means we should by lynching BM.
On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote: TalkingDead Oatsmaster HalftheSky
I've read all three of you pushing suspicions my way When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me. ##Nuke: Trfel
BM being BM or not being BM, the bolded reasoning is just nonsense. Game's barely started. Why launch the nuke so soon? There's no reason for it. Time and time again in Ver games mafia are forgiven for really terrible in-thread plays on the basis it's too terrible to be scum. Except it's just ballsy yolo with the expectation of not being punished.
Giving posts unannounced to Damdred was also very weird.
tldr; terrible shot based on terrible reason, no sweepy under carpetty pls. I don't think this is a town nuke.
##Vote: Bill Murray Random other things - sandroba looks better than other games lately, reads are more indepth, also I like performing a sexy naked dance while his eye is on me My early damdy read good read TalkingDead lynch bad lynch
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!
Onegu may be mafia, the multiple !!! seem really OTT and follows up with this random post directed at a bunch of people with no meaning behind it
On May 11 2015 20:50 sandroba wrote: @marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well.
meaning you agree that dam is town now, i'm not really sure where this sudden change came from. Then you said you agree with the point marv raised on dam but all he said was that he called him town earlier , it wasn't really a point as to why damdred is town.
It would be good if you could flesh this out because it seems like you are contradicting yourself just to read dam as town.
I changed my mind on damdred quite some time ago and have said so already. I was saying that I agree with some of his reads, but I would actually like him to elaborate on something because I have a really bad feeling about his posting so far. His reads all seem very shallow and direct, he doesn't seem to be considering other angles, is very dismissive, disconected from the game like he doesn't really care about the outcome and lacking emotion I usually see in his games as town. Not sure if I really answered your question, but I was really trying to get something out of marv without getting on his face to see how he would interact with me. So far I'm displeased.
On May 11 2015 22:01 KelsierSC wrote: Sandro, can you explain something to me.
On May 11 2015 07:20 sandroba wrote: @damdred any comments on what I've said about TD? I feel that I made a pretty strong point. And regarding about me saying what other people stated I'm reading the thread for the first time and I've shared my thoughts. I don't think anyone else has adressed the issues I've adressed in quite the same way and if somehow I've missed it and they share my feelings I'm glad that they do. I'm kinda on the fence about you because you've said so much, but I can't help but feel like a lot that you've said doesn't make much sense/ doesn't add up/ looks like fake content. It might as well be that you are town producing huge amounts of BS to try to look town, which I don't think is a particularly good strategy, however the way you've adressed the suspicions saying acting scummy was all a part of a plan I'm having a hard time buying into. The person I feel most strongly about is TD and I would like you to share your thoughts on him/ what I've said about him.
On May 11 2015 05:59 sandroba wrote: @LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town.
On May 11 2015 10:14 sandroba wrote: GB is my top town read so far, pretty much every single post he's made I agree with. I believe any questioning pointed towards him at this point is just a waste of space and we should be talking about TD and damdred instead.
so here you are suspicous of damdred, calling him scum want to talk about him , then
earlier marv had said this
On May 10 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote: hey Kels. Why does anything you say about TalkingDead make him mafia, deary?
This postcount thing making people just list reads feels really weird :p I have Damdred as towny and GB as scumweird for calling him mafia and not a lot else just yet.
and followed up later with
On May 11 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote: ok, so just read through the loltastic nuke + anti-nuke. I don't really get why people let this sort of thing slide. Also if BH was going to anti-nuke the nuke, I don't know why he did it so soon, it seems really information-restrictive.
Essentially it means we should by lynching BM.
On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote: TalkingDead Oatsmaster HalftheSky
I've read all three of you pushing suspicions my way When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me. ##Nuke: Trfel
BM being BM or not being BM, the bolded reasoning is just nonsense. Game's barely started. Why launch the nuke so soon? There's no reason for it. Time and time again in Ver games mafia are forgiven for really terrible in-thread plays on the basis it's too terrible to be scum. Except it's just ballsy yolo with the expectation of not being punished.
Giving posts unannounced to Damdred was also very weird.
tldr; terrible shot based on terrible reason, no sweepy under carpetty pls. I don't think this is a town nuke.
##Vote: Bill Murray Random other things - sandroba looks better than other games lately, reads are more indepth, also I like performing a sexy naked dance while his eye is on me My early damdy read good read TalkingDead lynch bad lynch
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!
Onegu may be mafia, the multiple !!! seem really OTT and follows up with this random post directed at a bunch of people with no meaning behind it
in response to this post you say
On May 11 2015 20:50 sandroba wrote: @marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well.
meaning you agree that dam is town now, i'm not really sure where this sudden change came from. Then you said you agree with the point marv raised on dam but all he said was that he called him town earlier , it wasn't really a point as to why damdred is town.
It would be good if you could flesh this out because it seems like you are contradicting yourself just to read dam as town.
I changed my mind on damdred quite some time ago and have said so already. I was saying that I agree with some of his reads, but I would actually like him to elaborate on something because I have a really bad feeling about his posting so far. His reads all seem very shallow and direct, he doesn't seem to be considering other angles, is very dismissive, disconected from the game like he doesn't really care about the outcome and lacking emotion I usually see in his games as town. Not sure if I really answered your question, but I was really trying to get something out of marv without getting on his face to see how he would interact with me. So far I'm displeased.
hmm ok I guess that makes sense, the question to marv part.
what made you change your mind about damdred, the thing I saw was that if you were wrong about TD then you would feel better about damdred, so did you change your mind on TD?
or is my reading just bad and you just feel better about damdred regardless. i'm referring to this post.
On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote: If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already.
if so can you explain what changed your mind on damdred then
Mostly his posting after I started accusing him. I don't think it's important to expand on why I feel damdred is town right now, because no one wants to lynch him. Either way you rsoul and gb (maybe even damdred lol) are my top towns so far and I'd rather we all focus on other people.
On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote: Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around ##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.
btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it.
I know BM is silly but I don't think this point you make makes him more or less mafia. I think a town would like to justify his actions when pressure is on him just as much as a mafia. I don't understand how you are so sure about this. I can understand and share the feeling of wanting to lynch him regardless just so he doesn't get away with this as mafia and I feel like a tard for letting it happen, but having seen BM's town play I deffinitely think it's just as much possible for him to be town in this spot, no matter how absurd his actions and reasons are.
On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote: Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around ##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.
btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it.
I know BM is silly but I don't think this point you make makes him more or less mafia. I think a town would like to justify his actions when pressure is on him just as much as a mafia. I don't understand how you are so sure about this. I can understand and share the feeling of wanting to lynch him regardless just so he doesn't get away with this as mafia and I feel like a tard for letting it happen, but having seen BM's town play I deffinitely think it's just as much possible for him to be town in this spot, no matter how absurd his actions and reasons are.
can you show me him doing this like this as town?
because i know i can find him doing it as mafia
Not exactly this, but every time I play with him as town I remember him doing something so bad I couldn't wrap my head around. If you could link me to a game where he did something similar as mafia it would definitely help me.
I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat. I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today. Regarding Vivax I undertand the suspicion prior to him posting, but now that it started I don't see any reason in particular for the number of scum reads he is getting. Between BM and jat I think there is no reason to consider a vivax lynch today so far. Stutters on the other hand is someone that came in late that I find much more suspicous. He entered the thread and only commented on the most recent thing that happened, had no unique perspective or orignal read, just added pretty bland noncommittal statements. I would be much more inclined to lynch into those 3.
On May 12 2015 04:24 sandroba wrote: I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat. I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today.
Why do you think a BM flip would not give us information? He is one of the most talked about people, no? I don't really think dayvigging him would be a good idea if we can just lynch him. Dayvig shots should be saved for lurkers who don't create any associations with their play. RoL might fit this category.
Tell me who I should have engaged then. Palmar attacked me for not getting a joke half a dozen other people also did not understand which is something he would do as either alignment and engaging him about it is completely pointless and a waste of posts. Yamato attacked me for not having reads. I already said he is probably town for the way he did it because he is a pussy as mafia. If he is town the only way to construtively engage this is by posting reads when I have them while arguing with him about it doesn't lead anywhere. If he is mafia there is no point in engaging him either. Now you call me angry. I don't know how you come to this conclusion. In fact people said I was not angry enough to be mafia earlier. But I don't think you are mafia with this performace so far. The difference to last game is like night and day. Maybe I am just having an off day but if I had seen situations that warranted "digging" I would have done so. Even though my style of playing is severely limited by this post restriction and that should be really obvious. It is absolutely possible that you feel like I am detached from this game because apparently I am.
I realize that me defending myself doesn't help either and will stop doing this now but all I can tell you is that it is very unlikely that you will still want to lynch me tomorrow so it would be more producitve if you would concentrate on other people for now.
Somehow I believe your response. I'll get off your balls. The thing about BM is that I can't really fault people for thinking he is either town or scum. I'm myself at like ~51% town at this point. I think he is an easy bus if mafia and if town I really can't tell the difference from the scum and town on his wagon. That's why I'd rather he just got vigged so we could move on, I don't really think his alignment really matters at this point.
I have already and I do agree that oats looks suspicious, but I have a weakness that is when people town read me I tend to think they are more towny, so that really threw me off a bit. I wanted to give him some space and see if he would post something of value without anyone poking him to do it, but so far he failed to deliver. I do think he is a decent lynch.
I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
On May 12 2015 04:24 sandroba wrote: I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat. I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today. Regarding Vivax I undertand the suspicion prior to him posting, but now that it started I don't see any reason in particular for the number of scum reads he is getting. Between BM and jat I think there is no reason to consider a vivax lynch today so far. Stutters on the other hand is someone that came in late that I find much more suspicous. He entered the thread and only commented on the most recent thing that happened, had no unique perspective or orignal read, just added pretty bland noncommittal statements. I would be much more inclined to lynch into those 3.
I changed my mind about jat, but don't you agree with my accessment of vivax and stutters? I think that if you look how both entered the thread and started posting you will see a clear difference.
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
On May 12 2015 19:48 Palmar wrote: Like if he's mafia what is his endgame nuking a bunch of people and antagonizing a bunch of players (I think he called me, marv and BH mafia all in the same post).
If BM is crazy as town I would expect he would be crazy as mafia as well. Reading the post I quoted don't you think he is misleading people on purpose? Also BM could simply be traitor fucking with the thread on purpose. I think townie is the least probable scenario.
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
You even put a caveat into your own analysis. This is basically a policy lynch for BM being retarded. If you want to policy lynch today RoL is a much better option. Bill is being insane, but he's being active and insane. RoL's "Bold proposition" post was awful and sounded forced and his vote on me was equally terrible.
Bill is insane and I'm very afraid that he ends up being townie, but this particular game I think he is more likely mafia despite being insane for the reasons I explained and you didn't bother telling me why those reasons are wrong. What does RoL has to do with anything? If you recall RoL's town games you will remember the same lvl of lurkiness/terribleness.
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
How is your marv investigation coming along?
Let's say I'm glad BH shot the nuke off. I'm leaning town right now, but not strongly.
On May 12 2015 19:48 Palmar wrote: Like if he's mafia what is his endgame nuking a bunch of people and antagonizing a bunch of players (I think he called me, marv and BH mafia all in the same post).
If BM is crazy as town I would expect he would be crazy as mafia as well. Reading the post I quoted don't you think he is misleading people on purpose? Also BM could simply be traitor fucking with the thread on purpose. I think townie is the least probable scenario.
I'd have to confirm this because my memory kinda sucks but BM is basically insane when he's town. when he's mafia he's much more constrained and basically cannot help himself from being right.
Like to me, just the fact that he thinks I'm mafia makes me more skeptical he is.
If you could dig that up (bill's mafia meta) that would be useful. I know he is insane, but I don't recall he purposely misleading people with his posts as town and that is my whole point.
On May 12 2015 20:14 GlowingBear wrote: ##Pardon: Bill Murray
Now lynch someone that is scum.
Bye.
@GB did you read my points on BM? The post I quoted you can see he was clearly lieing and misleading town. I don't understand why you would do that or can be sure BM is town.
Except that he isn't tunneled. He was calling trfel town prior to that and made that post and flipped his read again. It look to me more that he was desperate and trying to get something to stick. I don't believe he was tunneled at all. He deliberately left out part of the first post and lied about the time between the 2 posts.
I would like to lynch between RoL, VE, stutters and bats today if BM is not an option. Every other player did posted something townie to lesser or greater degrees in my eyes at some point. These 4 I can't find anything townie about them.
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?
you don't think trfel is town?
i have been calling him town since i noticed hes actively lurking
On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote: BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv.
because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said
Tell me you're kidding here.
I have a town read on you but I might rescind if you really mean to push this
Theres no point pushing something that won't get anything done.
On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...
how is openly claiming traitor really a bad strategy?
You get called out on it, you WIFOM and say you were kidding, exactly what you're doing here.
On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...
you do look scummy, onegu
I always look scummy, but thats different from saying she agrees with I claimed traitor...
you also directly said you werent traitor. wnat me to quote that too??
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?
This is you agreeing with him... His only point is that I have "claimed traitor".
no my point isnt that you "claimed traitor" my point is that you claimed traitor. you literally claimed traitor.
okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_-
- the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol)
- secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP
- third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum
Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment.
I dont get this I had a slight scum read on you at the time and add a joke about it since we recently talked about it...
We are very early in day one, this is moot and doesnt matter.
On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote: Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.
I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.
If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.
I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar.
On May 12 2015 21:17 sandroba wrote: Except that he isn't tunneled. He was calling trfel town prior to that and made that post and flipped his read again. It look to me more that he was desperate and trying to get something to stick. I don't believe he was tunneled at all. He deliberately left out part of the first post and lied about the time between the 2 posts.
I've just filter dived him and never found a town read on truffle... Not even once... BM being mafia isn't outside the realm of possibilities. But for me he is looking much more townie than mafia + people I scumread voted him + your unnatural flip made me wary
How can you say my flip was unnatural if you say my point on him is okay? BM deliberately hiding something from trfel post and lying about the time frame isn't enough for me to say he isn't townie?
On May 12 2015 21:42 Palmar wrote: I don't think VE is mafia and I hate the fact I disagree with you on everything sandroba.
I hate this fact too. Maybe you can do some digging and give me someting then? I'm trying to find a good lynch and you don't look like you are helping one bit.
I'm not seeing the vivax scum thing besides the meta argument. His posting so far points to town to me. Xatalos I think I could get behind, I didn't like his post regarding BM. The only thing he has going for him is that he called me town at some point.
I'm not married to the VE read, it's been a while that I've played with him so maybe he just changed his play style completely. He wasn't this lazy as town from what I remember him.
On May 12 2015 22:00 TalkingDead wrote: Sandroba your reads have for the most part been so exceptionally off base that I'm really struggling to see you as misguided.
First it's been a while since I played town and it's very possible I currently suck at this game. Secondly you can't know that for sure, unless you are scum. The read I felt more strongly about currently can't be lynch and I do believe I'm correct on that one.
Honestly, I would prefer xatalos over vivax based on his posting so far. He was on my mafia team last game I his style/tone was different even if activity falls under his mafia meta. However if you guys feel strongly about it I would vote pretty much on any of the people I don't have a strong town read on at this point. As I've said my lynch of choice is pardoned and I was indeed resorting to a lurker lynch because I'm not sure on any other lynch at this point. D1 I do not think it is a bad choice and there are normally plenty of mafia amongst the people not doing anything. @TD I don't dissagree with most of your points, besides finding oats quite townie recently. However I'm the same amount sure these people are scum as I am any of the lurkers I pointed out, and at least these people are posting something. Xatalos after reading a bit more into would be my preference so far.
On May 12 2015 02:50 Xatalos wrote: About BM: Never played with him before. His nuke spectacle was basically an anti-town way of using the ability, so it might be necessary to policy lynch him or just Vig him. Typically crazy plays come a bit more often from town than scum so that holds me back from just saying anti-town -> scum.
The wording on this post did not feel natural to me. BM being scum or town this post feels suspicious.
On May 12 2015 22:32 Palmar wrote: There is not nearly enough emotions in the thread about GB pardoning BM. Why aren't yall people who think BM is mafia absolutely frothing right now?
Because unfortunatelly I feel strongly that GB is town and there is nothing I can do about it.
On May 12 2015 20:14 GlowingBear wrote: ##Pardon: Bill Murray
Now lynch someone that is scum.
Bye.
@GB did you read my points on BM? The post I quoted you can see he was clearly lieing and misleading town. I don't understand why you would do that or can be sure BM is town.
On May 12 2015 21:17 sandroba wrote: Except that he isn't tunneled. He was calling trfel town prior to that and made that post and flipped his read again. It look to me more that he was desperate and trying to get something to stick. I don't believe he was tunneled at all. He deliberately left out part of the first post and lied about the time between the 2 posts.
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?
you don't think trfel is town?
i have been calling him town since i noticed hes actively lurking
On May 12 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:50 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote: BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv.
because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said
Tell me you're kidding here.
I have a town read on you but I might rescind if you really mean to push this
Theres no point pushing something that won't get anything done.
On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote: why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?
bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.
you know i have had you as a town read all game
but im an idiot
an idiot that can read you
On May 12 2015 07:03 Damdred wrote: ##give 2 posts bm
Rsoultin how sure are you that oneg is Scum here?
Onegu has claimed scum openly. I'm 90% sure Onegu is scum
On May 12 2015 07:08 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote: why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?
bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.
if it was ANYONE else
or even if he was doing ANYTHING else
but no, you can't make this read on BH
you mean BM
On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...
how is openly claiming traitor really a bad strategy?
You get called out on it, you WIFOM and say you were kidding, exactly what you're doing here.
On May 12 2015 07:11 Onegu wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:10 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...
you do look scummy, onegu
I always look scummy, but thats different from saying she agrees with I claimed traitor...
you also directly said you werent traitor. wnat me to quote that too??
it just all adds up to being fishy
On May 12 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote: 24/60
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?
This is you agreeing with him... His only point is that I have "claimed traitor".
no my point isnt that you "claimed traitor" my point is that you claimed traitor. you literally claimed traitor.
On May 12 2015 07:20 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:22 Bill Murray wrote: I feel like Blazinghand's role is completely bullshit it's like I don't even have a role.
feel like BM claimed mafia with this post even though I can't put it into words why. wording feels off I guess
In no way am I claiming mafia. I'm claiming BH is mafia. BH, Marv, and Palmar are my top 3 suspects.
On May 12 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote: 15/60
okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_-
- the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol)
- secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP
- third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum
Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment.
I dont get this I had a slight scum read on you at the time and add a joke about it since we recently talked about it...
We are very early in day one, this is moot and doesnt matter.
You say I play like I dont give a fuck in my games then you dont like the hearts? Comeon now.
Onegu has resorted to Appealing to emotion
On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote: Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.
I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.
If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.
I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar.
On May 12 2015 21:17 sandroba wrote: Except that he isn't tunneled. He was calling trfel town prior to that and made that post and flipped his read again. It look to me more that he was desperate and trying to get something to stick. I don't believe he was tunneled at all. He deliberately left out part of the first post and lied about the time between the 2 posts.
I've just filter dived him and never found a town read on truffle... Not even once... BM being mafia isn't outside the realm of possibilities. But for me he is looking much more townie than mafia + people I scumread voted him + your unnatural flip made me wary
How can you say my flip was unnatural if you say my point on him is okay? BM deliberately hiding something from trfel post and lying about the time frame isn't enough for me to say he isn't townie?
Palmar wtf are you doing, you aren't even reading the game and you are basically tunneled on me which you should 100% read as town.
As soon as we get confirmation on the pardon I will switch my vote to xatalos. @bats I caught your thing, but someone else did it before you and mafia can ask for fake claims so I didn't give you any town points for that.
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
We should lynch sandroba.
Palmar is scum. This post is the biggest BS in this thread besides bill murray. You are not projecting anything, you know how I play and "sandroba isn't defend against my case" is completely dumb since you posted something retarded that I dismissed as troll. You aren't reading anything, you are trying to force this read and haven't given any insight on any of the suspicious people that are being discussed. We should lynch palmar.
On May 12 2015 21:58 sandroba wrote: I'm not seeing the vivax scum thing besides the meta argument. His posting so far points to town to me. Xatalos I think I could get behind, I didn't like his post regarding BM. The only thing he has going for him is that he called me town at some point.
Regarding sandroba, this is probably the quote I dislike the most so far. Like what about his posting his town? I thought I asked to elaborate before. Because the tanking his game is the worst part about Vivax and posts like these from him
On May 12 2015 03:39 Vivax wrote: I'm gonna play badly this game btw, but it will help my scum play. Sadly it was one of the things that made rayn quit.
On May 12 2015 04:49 Vivax wrote: Rso no that much of a pita in this game, what's going on? Actually explaining her reads all the time not just interfering with other people's.
Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that. Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual.
Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one.
On May 12 2015 06:00 Vivax wrote: LS I'm sort of confident you're town and I'm a pleb, why do you think I'm mafia?
...are basically him just posting to post - no follow through on Rasputin whatsoever if he truly suspected her.
When pressured on other people that looked bad he just gave the vague answer of "they all look towny in some way" (paraphrasing) and he's going for pure policy folks, which is generally scum play (going solely after lurkers). I don't know why it took Rayn/TD to spell all the possible scum players for him just now and even after that, I don't think he's checked on it let alone budging....save for Xatalos. Which could be trying to blend in at this point.
*shrug*
As I've said I'm not saying vivax is 100% town but he doesn't comply with the meta and style I see from the past game he played on my team. I believed xatalos was a better lynch then him. But now I'm pretty sure palmar is mafia so that doesn't matter.
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
We should lynch sandroba.
Palmar is scum. This post is the biggest BS in this thread besides bill murray. You are not projecting anything, you know how I play and "sandroba isn't defend against my case" is completely dumb since you posted something retarded that I dismissed as troll. You aren't reading anything, you are trying to force this read and haven't given any insight on any of the suspicious people that are being discussed. We should lynch palmar.
Dismissal count: 2
Go on
And yes, I told you didn't think BM is mafia and I still don't think he is. There is no reason at all for him to antagonize a ton of potentially strong townies and to use nukes randomly as mafia. I loved Gb's pardon and I also had already given a semi-tone read on him.
I've talked about rol and I've talked about you. I've hinted I think VE is town.
So yes, I have given plenty of insight.
So you are saying I'm mafia because 1: I said i would keep my eye on marv (????) 2: I didn't rage at GB who I think is town. (????) Which is completely retarded and doesn't make anyone mafia in any world. Despite my current level of activity and the content which I'm posting which I abosolutely never do as mafia because simply I can't keep up. Knowing who the scum team is simply crushes my interest and I have to try really hard to even pretend I have a scum read and I'm a lot more sucint and direct about my reads which I can't justify. You've talked about RoL who I'll give a prise to anyone who can guess his alignment at this point with a good margin of success. You've said you think VE is town, but didn't say why. You haven't talked about Xatalos and Vivax at all which are the main people being discussed. You simply ignored what I've pointed out about BM and read him town randomly. Palmar isn't this bad. He is mafia.
On May 12 2015 23:29 Palmar wrote: Like if anything, the fact that I actually bothered to give explanations for my read with somewhat constructed points as to why I think you're mafia should make you think I'm more towny than I am scummy. Like if you wanted to call me mafia it should have been BEFORE I actually explained thoroughly why I think you're mafia.
No, I wanted you to read the game and make a case so you could either make the correct obvious easy read that I'm town and tell me who you think is mafia or make even point out something that I would find plausible for you to mistake for mafia behavior. This BS you produced is good enough for me to know you are mafia for sure.
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
We should lynch sandroba.
Palmar is scum. This post is the biggest BS in this thread besides bill murray. You are not projecting anything, you know how I play and "sandroba isn't defend against my case" is completely dumb since you posted something retarded that I dismissed as troll. You aren't reading anything, you are trying to force this read and haven't given any insight on any of the suspicious people that are being discussed. We should lynch palmar.
Dismissal count: 2
Go on
And yes, I told you didn't think BM is mafia and I still don't think he is. There is no reason at all for him to antagonize a ton of potentially strong townies and to use nukes randomly as mafia. I loved Gb's pardon and I also had already given a semi-tone read on him.
I've talked about rol and I've talked about you. I've hinted I think VE is town.
So yes, I have given plenty of insight.
So you are saying I'm mafia because 1: I said i would keep my eye on marv (????) 2: I didn't rage at GB who I think is town. (????) Which is completely retarded and doesn't make anyone mafia in any world. Despite my current level of activity and the content which I'm posting which I abosolutely never do as mafia because simply I can't keep up. Knowing who the scum team is simply crushes my interest and I have to try really hard to even pretend I have a scum read and I'm a lot more sucint and direct about my reads which I can't justify. You've talked about RoL who I'll give a prise to anyone who can guess his alignment at this point with a good margin of success. You've said you think VE is town, but didn't say why. You haven't talked about Xatalos and Vivax at all which are the main people being discussed. You simply ignored what I've pointed out about BM and read him town randomly. Palmar isn't this bad. He is mafia.
Well, there was catastrophe mafia where your interest was not "crushed" for the biggest part of the game. Anyways, I don't think we are lynching either Palmar or sandro today.
catastrophe I kept my activity mostly in skype which I find more bearing to do as mafia. If you actually look at the thread you will see my posting was completely different from any games as town. Anyway palmar doesn't think I'm scum. He is mafia.
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
We should lynch sandroba.
Palmar is scum. This post is the biggest BS in this thread besides bill murray. You are not projecting anything, you know how I play and "sandroba isn't defend against my case" is completely dumb since you posted something retarded that I dismissed as troll. You aren't reading anything, you are trying to force this read and haven't given any insight on any of the suspicious people that are being discussed. We should lynch palmar.
Dismissal count: 2
Go on
And yes, I told you didn't think BM is mafia and I still don't think he is. There is no reason at all for him to antagonize a ton of potentially strong townies and to use nukes randomly as mafia. I loved Gb's pardon and I also had already given a semi-tone read on him.
I've talked about rol and I've talked about you. I've hinted I think VE is town.
So yes, I have given plenty of insight.
So you are saying I'm mafia because 1: I said i would keep my eye on marv (????) 2: I didn't rage at GB who I think is town. (????) Which is completely retarded and doesn't make anyone mafia in any world. Despite my current level of activity and the content which I'm posting which I abosolutely never do as mafia because simply I can't keep up. Knowing who the scum team is simply crushes my interest and I have to try really hard to even pretend I have a scum read and I'm a lot more sucint and direct about my reads which I can't justify. You've talked about RoL who I'll give a prise to anyone who can guess his alignment at this point with a good margin of success. You've said you think VE is town, but didn't say why. You haven't talked about Xatalos and Vivax at all which are the main people being discussed. You simply ignored what I've pointed out about BM and read him town randomly. Palmar isn't this bad. He is mafia.
I'm not sure I get the rationale of a mafia-Palmar honing in on a target with the history that you have with each other. Palmar's played plenty of games with you (probably only more with me + VE) and realistically if he wanted to choose a prominent player to target, he should have chosen me, because he loves to scumread me no matter my alignment. Instead he chose you, when (if i'm wrong, correct me) you have quite a good history of trying to read each other.
I like to think I am pretty good at reading Palmar normally and he can easily get into stupid dumb tunnels as town
in the situation of sandroba-town and palmar-mafia, gunning for you seems like a kinda suicidal play with no upsides for him, so i think this can be town-town
You are wrong. Palmar doesn't even try to post a case and just trolls until some people (HTS, TD) start questioning some of my reads. He takes the opportunity to try to make a push and prior to that is just trolling and saying random shit. Palmar does have a history of going after me after the catastrophe game, but nothing like this. He normally keeps saying I'm mafia, but does not push me and does not make BS cases.
marv is my new top town lol. I agree with all his points. Also wouldn't mind lynching Vivax if he is going to keep up with this shit about using this game to break his meta. If true this should be bannable for playing against your win condition. His HTS and marv scum reads are pretty nonsensical and he doesn't bother going in detail about anything. I don't think BH lynch is going to happen today despite agreeing with marv about him. Xatalos is indeed looking slightly better and I would prefer a vivax lynch over him at this point. I'm slightly over my post limit, but according to the OP this shouldn't be so much of a problem.
Fuck it, I think my first intuition was right. I'm not voting vivax, I think he is town. A switch to BH would be the best I think, I'm not particularly sold on xatalos being mafia either.
On May 12 2015 21:34 sandroba wrote: I would like to lynch between RoL, VE, stutters and bats today if BM is not an option. Every other player did posted something townie to lesser or greater degrees in my eyes at some point. These 4 I can't find anything townie about them.
On May 13 2015 06:57 sandroba wrote: Fuck it, I think my first intuition was right. I'm not voting vivax, I think he is town. A switch to BH would be the best I think, I'm not particularly sold on xatalos being mafia either.
Sandro what happened here? I can't think of much that makes the BH shenannies so much more worth it now.
Mostly my town reads dissagree with me on VE and bats, everytime I propose stutters HTS or LS comes in and say that he doesn't do anything as town and RoL is basically a shot in the dark. I don't quite understand what you mean about BH, but I think marv is spot on. Even if palmar somehow is town and turned god awful, bh jumping on it is even worse.
@vivax not any strong reasons, but his latest posting looks a bit townie to me. If it was between you and him I would vote xatalos at this point. But BH is spewing nonsense in every post. And his last one has something very caracteristic of a mafia: saying that the guy who is defending you against a wagon is suspicious.
On May 13 2015 07:37 Blazinghand wrote: I found yam suspicious for defending me ibn noir. I was town he was scum
More bad meta. Literally every game, the bad meta. Lynch the meta liars first
I suspect you are talking about noir 3. Did a quick skim of the game and you did no such thing.
Read obs qt or ask yam. I was lynched and immediately cashed yam scum
Sandro town now btw ##unvote ##vote xat
I must live
ugh people calling me town for good reasons really makes me not want lynch them. BH if you can make a case on someone that I agree with I will switch my vote from you.
The only thing that bothers me about this is I don't think BH uses palmar as justification to vote me if they are both scum. BH was treating palmar as obv town in his spiel and I don't think he does that to a scum buddy. I'm dead set on Palmar being not town and i would be dissapoint if BH were town so I guess there is traitor/secret role possibility between them? I also think that palmar was being honest in this quote and he isn't playing for the end game at all. He's sad before in his "how to play scum if you are good as town" thing that some townies, which he includes himself into, simply can't make it into the end game as scum and their job is to try to get as many mislynches, disrupt the thread as much they can until they are ultimately lynched for not being right, and that's exactly what he is doing this game.
Every single time stutters post I cringe. All of his posts including this last are very straight forward and don't look like it comes from a natural stream of thought. He is apparent caught up with the game and I have yet to see any relevant comentary on someone's alignment or some unique perspective on something. I simply cannot believe that is the norm for his town games. I think this man is scum for sure.
@BH, what about what jat said. One would think you would ask the mods as town before calling GB a liar. In fact you would be extatic to possibly mod confirm someone a lying scum. But apparently you simply didn't? Honestly you posted huge amounts, but I can't see anything I really like in it. Dumb stuff on both bats and GB case which I'm pretty sure is town.
btw if someone else is df you prob shouldnt shoot tonight. stutter prob needs to shoot if it's him for making it obvious otherwise you get assassinated next day.
@GB thx man. I had a really hard time d1 over people giving me shit about my vivax town read and a couple weak reads on lurkers that I chose to relly on. I'm deffinitely not as confident about my reads as I used to be.
On May 17 2015 02:36 sandroba wrote: @GB thx man. I had a really hard time d1 over people giving me shit about my vivax town read and a couple weak reads on lurkers that I chose to relly on. I'm deffinitely not as confident about my reads as I used to be.
Well, you're getting back to the game again.
I want to play with you again. Why don't you /in in the next Student Newbie?
I'm gonna play. And I promise I will never rely on WIFOM anymore.
I promise.
I'm going to sign up for the next normal sized game that pops up, not really a fan of minis. You could join me on that instead?
On May 17 2015 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Good job GB.
I think if BM didnt nuke for no reason and palmar didnt get absolutely hero shotted n1, scum wouldve been in a way better position.
Yes, absolutely. If Palmar does not die night1 then half of the town gets sniped day2. We had 0 motivation to play after that happened.
Hmm. I think that if palmar was going to play the way he did maybe you guys could have given assassin to maybe you/xat and have the assassin town side a bit more? Seems unnecessarily risky to give assassin to the player who is gonna go full disruption / anti-town in thread.
EPT
if you're basing td's alignment on damdy's i think you're on the wrong track ^^
