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On May 16 2015 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 02:45 TalkingDead wrote:On May 16 2015 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2015 02:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 16 2015 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2015 02:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Btw, I forgot to mention it last night but I thought that TD looked better in the back-and-forth than Oats. It did kind of seem like Oats was being unreasonable. More like TD is over defensive and doesnt know how to read. Dnu. Maybe. Specifically I remembered the post where you said he wasn't town, and then he broke it down and why he couldn't argue with it and it reminded me of the position I was in several games in a row. well no, I said he wasnt confirmed town. He chose to take it like I was saying he was 3p or scum. After how many tries Oats? Why would I say you are not town rather than you are 3p or scum? Which one carries the point across better? I really dont think this is any deal at all.
I think it's a big deal because I think you're trying to back out of shit that you said. Why would you ever bother trying to get across the point that I'm not confirmed town when literally nobody's making the point that I'm confirmed town. Literally the only person trying to claim confirmed town for their roles/actions is Stutters who btw continues to do jack shit.
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I don't know about Oats. I've wanted to kill him for a while, but looking at my past few games I've had a history of misreading him. While looking at OWS filter, it's not a crazy town or awful as I thought it'd be. By that I mean, generally as town I think his reads are fucking trash. But his reads this game actually seem to be reasonably decent and accurate. He's picked at both Palmer and BM and finds them both suspicious but seems to find excuses for wanting to call them town. That makes me think that he doesn't want to look bad from their flips but he also doesn't want to bus them.
The last person I'm considering for lynch is Kelsier. He had like a super odd set of flip-flops all over BM on D1 and I can't understand how in the fuck he gets to his reads whatsoever. The problem though is that Marv thinks he's town and the other people who I want to lynch are heavily looking at KSC which makes me think Marv's right.
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This is like the one thing that I actually agree with you on GB.
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Idk if I'd say obvious, but mislynch still.
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On May 16 2015 08:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If we don't lynch onegu then what do we do?
We lynch you. Ezpz
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Can't we just not lynch Onegu? I'll post naughty nurse pics. I'll idk make you smile by making random PalmAr comment. It's a bad lynch.
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Don't you want naughty nurse pics though?
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We're waiting on Hapa to post the flips. So just patiently wait for him to get around to the flip.
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I think the real issue for me is the setup. I think there were too many roles and KP for both sides. The other big thing is that with so much unconcentrated town KP it means mafia has to be super active and reasonable to avoid most of it. In part, the issue was the scum team imploded. BM claimed scum on D1. Xata was lynch bait. Palmer was wholly ineffective and his push on Sandro was really out of place. JAT was mostly lynch bait before claiming scum. Marv played well.
I would've rather seen far fewer roles because that would focus more on play, developing reads, pushing sentiment etc.
I really don't get why Sandro or KSC thought I was mafia. Both in thread and QT I was really really townie imo.
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On May 17 2015 07:34 Keirathi wrote:
More often than not, a lot of town KP tends to actually be really bad for town.
This game it happened to work out really well, but I would definitely say this game was the exception rather than the rule.
Lots of town KP used reasonably is great for town. When people yolo shit it's when its bad. Ie the BH shot was awful.
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Tbh. The Palmer shot was a hero shot. It'll either be fantastic or awful. BM claimed mafia and it took a while for town to want to kill him somehow. Xat was a policy shot that happened to hit. JAT claimed mafia.
This game imo is the reason why you take policy shots and lynches. Even if Xat is a miss, it gets you to a much better position as town. BM should've been shot once the fired the nuke at Marv; just have to ignore him and move on. What I was surprised about was the resistance to shooting/lynching the awful afks like Stuuters, RoL, etc. Regardless of alignment I would've just killing them. Mafia could've gained so much more by using their KP in that direction so they could blend better. That said, the game was really almost thrown by mafia by both BM acting bm and claiming mafia once he could be lynched as well as Palmer making the ridiculous Sandroba case. I'm really surprised that mafia seemed to have no plan going in to things.
My personal plan going in was to either luck sack into the mafia team (using my best guesses available early) or failing that to push those people as best I can since they're likely 80% town. Then just try to force town to lynch me.
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Xatalos was a policy shot. He was doing nothing. He claimed no role. He was reasonably suspicious to most everyone in the game and IIRC by 2 dead townies. Plus, he was scummy-ish. If that's not a policy shot IDK what is.
Like that's the thing, all you really need to do as town when mafia doesn't take time to actively control the game is to not made stupid mistakes. Town tried, but randomly hit the assassin and claimed left and right. They tried to let people live who should die (in a few different regards) but randomly let the right people live. I think if we were to run the game back from the start with town acting like it does, then mafia's at a large advantage because town seems like it's trying to lose. The only exception to that is the fact that a town made a hero shot that hit and strong town players made smart shots. VE made an obvious shot on claimed scum. Damdred made an obvious shot on claimed scum. Yamato made a good policy shot. Like if those three players don't have KP then maybe people take random to bad shots that are significantly lower probability.
Like while I don't support the Palmer shot (there are better options imo especially considering the risk with dreamflower), it's understandable because of the Sandroba push. The BH shot was not very good I think; it wasn't awful, but I think it would've been better to use it elsewhere because a lynch on BH is much more important and his role is already "revealed."
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Here's the reason why I think it's more policy than not. He's really not up for lynch. People defaulted to him D1. But the case imo was worse than the wholly bogus case on BH or the points on Vivax. It was the most right far and away but it wasn't really convincing more than "he's a good person to put on the chopping block." Plus, I think he got shot for the same reasons BH and BM got shot for: to move on. None of their alignments are important. They were shot to force people to move forward.
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