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Blazinghand
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On May 13 2015 07:54 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 07:45 Blazinghand wrote:On May 13 2015 07:43 sandroba wrote:On May 13 2015 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I found yam suspicious for defending me ibn noir. I was town he was scum
More bad meta. Literally every game, the bad meta. Lynch the meta liars first I suspect you are talking about noir 3. Did a quick skim of the game and you did no such thing. Read obs qt or ask yam. I was lynched and immediately cashed yam scum Sandro town now btw
##unvote
##vote xat
I must live ugh people calling me town for good reasons really makes me not want lynch them. BH if you can make a case on someone that I agree with I will switch my vote from you.
I'm here via phone so don't expect miracles my friend
I'll vote to save myself
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:01 yamato77 wrote:
last game, BH actually tried and made a little tryhard case and everything
this game he's used his role and bitched
he is not town
yeah I did a tryhard case and look how that worked out for me
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
bah, this is why I should just RNG, so I don't have to deal with garbage like this D1. back to RNG starting next game
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Blazinghand
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hey someone give me some posts
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
actual nvm about that you don't deserve my wisdom
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:08 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:
bah, this is why I should just RNG, so I don't have to deal with garbage like this D1. back to RNG starting next game maybe you should have, you know, played the fucking game instead of just blindly using your role thinking it made you town
Yamato is definitely scum for this post, btw, for knowing I'm flipping town, and posting this, and voting me.
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Blazinghand
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sandro is a good player for being literally the only person to actually look up my meta out of like, 5 or 6 people making claims about my meta. He's afraid to unvote me because he thinks I might still flip scum. I think if he were scum he wouldn't bother actually looking things up probably
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 07:45 Blazinghand wrote:On May 13 2015 07:43 sandroba wrote:On May 13 2015 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I found yam suspicious for defending me ibn noir. I was town he was scum
More bad meta. Literally every game, the bad meta. Lynch the meta liars first I suspect you are talking about noir 3. Did a quick skim of the game and you did no such thing. Read obs qt or ask yam. I was lynched and immediately cashed yam scum Sandro town now btw
##unvote
##vote xat
I must live Why Xatalos instead of Vivax?
Xat has more votes. I'll vote whoever has the most votes and isn't me
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:On May 13 2015 08:08 yamato77 wrote:On May 13 2015 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:
bah, this is why I should just RNG, so I don't have to deal with garbage like this D1. back to RNG starting next game maybe you should have, you know, played the fucking game instead of just blindly using your role thinking it made you town Yamato is definitely scum for this post, btw, for knowing I'm flipping town, and posting this, and voting me. you're adorable
no denial, no backtrack, because he can't; all he can do is joke and try to draw attention away from it.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:11 yamato77 wrote:
I defended your sorry ass last game as mafia
with so many other options, why would I mislynch you over the other scummy fucks in this game, a number of which are likely to be town and also resist less?
given that part of the case on me is literally "blazinghand isn't putting up much resistance, which he usually does as town" (a statement that is, of course, once again people not understanding my meta because people is bad) your quesiton is invalid
plus you're changing things up
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:11 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:On May 13 2015 08:10 GlowingBear wrote:On May 13 2015 07:45 Blazinghand wrote:On May 13 2015 07:43 sandroba wrote:On May 13 2015 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I found yam suspicious for defending me ibn noir. I was town he was scum
More bad meta. Literally every game, the bad meta. Lynch the meta liars first I suspect you are talking about noir 3. Did a quick skim of the game and you did no such thing. Read obs qt or ask yam. I was lynched and immediately cashed yam scum Sandro town now btw
##unvote
##vote xat
I must live Why Xatalos instead of Vivax? Xat has more votes. I'll vote whoever has the most votes and isn't me you literally do this as non-town 100% of the time
[citation needed]
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:12 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 08:11 Blazinghand wrote:On May 13 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:On May 13 2015 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:On May 13 2015 08:08 yamato77 wrote:On May 13 2015 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:
bah, this is why I should just RNG, so I don't have to deal with garbage like this D1. back to RNG starting next game maybe you should have, you know, played the fucking game instead of just blindly using your role thinking it made you town Yamato is definitely scum for this post, btw, for knowing I'm flipping town, and posting this, and voting me. you're adorable no denial, no backtrack, because he can't; all he can do is joke and try to draw attention away from it. nothing I said implied that I knew you were town if you're upset about being lynched, as any alignment, it's your own fault
mmmhmmm sure backtrack all you want
also:
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Blazinghand
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On May 13 2015 08:14 TalkingDead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 08:12 Blazinghand wrote:On May 13 2015 08:11 yamato77 wrote:
I defended your sorry ass last game as mafia
with so many other options, why would I mislynch you over the other scummy fucks in this game, a number of which are likely to be town and also resist less? given that part of the case on me is literally "blazinghand isn't putting up much resistance, which he usually does as town" (a statement that is, of course, once again people not understanding my meta because people is bad) your quesiton is invalid plus you're changing things up Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote:
BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn
I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp"
There are also too many outlier votes right now.
I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town
##unvote
##Vote: BlazingHand
I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:50 marvellosity wrote:
There are 2 lynches that I just introduced where I find it hard to say "the townie motivation is kinda likely". Vivax's play is just SO far off his townplay, it's very very difficult to handwave away.
BlazingHand saving me, and jumping on a weak case on sandroba while not entertaining the counterarguments is also very very difficult to handwave away with a town motivation.
Note: I'm not trying to say Onegu is definitely town here, he may or may not be, but I think lynching him on conjecture is not the right play when we can lynch people with far clearer differentiations Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
BlazingHand made a lolreply (more scumpoints from Palmar for me \o/) to Obi where he altered his quote to try to say "well i do this as town as WELL as mafia". The thing was, in... er... Aperture, kita made quite a good meta case about how scumBH doesn't actually do anything where town-BH is strung into action. And that's what's happening here.
The thing with BH is that he's very obviously selectively reading the thread, and disregarding the stuff that he doesn't like.
So it goes
1.Palmar case on sandroba
2.sometime later marv makes a sandroba defence
3.BH sheeps 1, disregards 2
Then I also made my case on BH based on this, but BH ignores it completely and later only responds to my post where I lumped him (or something) in with Vivax, and saying he's not like Vivax. but it totally disregards what i said in the first place. So that's 2 strikes.
I literally cannot reconcile, at all, how he keeps saying we should sheep this Palmar case d1 when it was a really bad case.
Even earlier in the thread he made some post about "Palmar and marv being the only ones possibly more skilled than me" yet it seems like he's totally ignoring me for convenience. Which part of the case on you includes you putting up resistence?
someone was like "blazinghand needs to be prodded into playing as town, and if you vote him he starts doing stuff, and he's not doing that this game"
I don't know who said it, but someone did, and it is of course literally false, like 95% of statements about my meta in this game. Jesus christ people
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:16 Trfel wrote:
Is it worth trying to get Vivax lynched instead of Blazinghand?
Vivax is probably a better town player than I am in terms of catching scum. If you think we're both town and are deciding, for some reaosn, which townie to lynch, rather than trying to hung scum, you should lynch me.
I don't know why people think rsoultin is town btw
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
yeah I'm not really sure why Vivax got derailed so I'm gonna vote him on principle. I'm like 900 posts over my limit for the day but I think if I keep talking I won't die, so fuck da police I'm gonna keep on posting
you guys wanna hear about my new sandro townread? cause it's pretty legit
##unvote
##vote vivax
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
Hmm, so in terms of lurkers, I think batsnacks is a good shot. I think for example calling me, Trfel, and BM all town right out the gate for this reason http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24244396 doesn't really ehelp you find scum (even though he's probably right) so not sure why he'd do it. His weird filter statement and his odd reason for scumreading Sandro all stand out to me. When I thought Sandro was scum, it didn't bother me, but now that I think Sandro is town (mostly for the fact that he decided to actually do some research) I feel like bats is just pulling our leg with the blue softclaim. I think if he were a real blue he'd fabricate a case on Sandro rather than saying "sandro is scum, I habe a blue role that says so". Heck, if his blue role really says Sandro is scum, why isn't batsnacks pushing? why the vote and afk?
batsnacks is scum
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
Vote Count:
Vivax (4) -, TalkingDead,, Yamato77, Trfel, GlowingBear,
Xatalos (6) - Damdred, Oatsmaster, Half The Sky, Vivax, KelsierSC, LightingSTrike
Rsoultin (1) - Onegu
Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend
Sandroba (3) - Palmar, Batsnacks, BlazingHand
Oatsmaster (2) -GlowingBear
BlazingHand (7) - Marvellosity, Rso, Sandro, Yam, Jat, OWS, XAT
On May 13 2015 08:24 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:Hmm, so in terms of lurkers, I think batsnacks is a good shot. I think for example calling me, Trfel, and BM all town right out the gate for this reason http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24244396 doesn't really ehelp you find scum (even though he's probably right) so not sure why he'd do it. His weird filter statement and his odd reason for scumreading Sandro all stand out to me. When I thought Sandro was scum, it didn't bother me, but now that I think Sandro is town (mostly for the fact that he decided to actually do some research) I feel like bats is just pulling our leg with the blue softclaim. I think if he were a real blue he'd fabricate a case on Sandro rather than saying "sandro is scum, I habe a blue role that says so". Heck, if his blue role really says Sandro is scum, why isn't batsnacks pushing? why the vote and afk? batsnacks is scum deep insightful yes.
I'm glad you agree!
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
oh I think my vote is on Xat, so maybe he's getting lynched and not me? not sure though, lazy hosts are awful, should be getting constant vote counts before a contested dezdline like this. I'd never let this happen in one of my games
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax kinda going back to doing nothing as soon as his wagon disappeared doesn't sit well with me though.
it shouldn't sit well with you, but all you'll do is mention it, not actually lynch vivax
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:26 TalkingDead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 08:17 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2015 08:08 TalkingDead wrote:On May 13 2015 07:54 Trfel wrote:
I don't see what is so impressive about Vivax's posting as of late. His posts don't feel like they have any direction or focus, and he isn't elaborating on his main scumreads. He's pushing reads all over the place, but nothing is very well explained or detailed. Furthermore, Vivax is going to be away for a while, so there will be no more information with which to read him. This is a good point. Leading up to the lynch, thread sentiment is steered roughly equally between Xatalos and Vivax. When Marv starts his push towards BH, votes still split roughly equally between Vivax and Xatalos. Despite Marv and Sandroba giving a less weight and push towards either Vivax or Xatalos and thinking they both may be a bit more likely to be town. Votes from the Vivax wagons disappear disproportionately faster. This can in part be attributed to Vivax being around and posting, but there were numerous people other than just Marv/Sandroba saying essentially that Vivax is posting better. Yet when you compare this situation to an exceptionally similar situation in Imperial, where Vivax went off the fucking deep end and was making series of huge posts repetitively. The wagon just disappeared in a strange way without any realisitic recognition of his posting. That's interesting. Then go and find the people who went off me in a scummy way, cause as I see it there's nothing inherently scummy in not wanting to lynch me. There's not time for that and it doesn't matter this late in the day. It is in no way about trying to find "the scum that unvoted their partners." It doesn't make you scum and it doesn't make Xatalos town. It's the asymmetrical shift that's interesting, both in the sense that people are more willing to move off you and that people are less willing to move off of him. What is interesting about your response is that you've ignored my point about Imperial entirely to pick at the corners of the point I'm trying to make.
I think we all kinda know what's going on here. A lot of people moved off of Vivax as soon as there was a lynchbaity wagon (my wagon) to move onto. Wagons that fall apart easily like this in non-PM games tend to be wagons on scum. I think Vivax would be an acceptable D1 lynch, but I actually haven't read his filter or his case. I'm basing this entirely on the fact that Vivax is a really good town player with heroic tier reads and pushing ability, and I haven't passively just NOTICED that he's playing well, which is what I'd expect from him
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