@trfel I don't really like your last post. First is that both your suspicions are kind of weak according to yourself and have disclaimers on them. Doesn't seem like you are trying to accomplish anything with it. You pretty much avoid the whole discussion on TD. All of the town reads seem kinda lazy as well. Also I'm very surprised that you don't include BH in them. If you are town BH should be your top town read.
@marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well.
I guess you know whose smurf it is. But both the other reasons I don't agree with. Only a couple people found him suspicious and most others dissagreed or ignored my post on him. Your posting seems a lot different this game. Any specific reason for the lack of enthusiasm? You don't seem to be trying to figure out the game and everything you say seems a bit bland.
I'm not so sold on bm, while I would love to get rid of him because I think he would do that as mafia, I unfortunatelly don't think it's outside of his range as town. Claiming he has more nukes is kind of townie too, being it a lie or not.
On May 11 2015 07:20 sandroba wrote: @damdred any comments on what I've said about TD? I feel that I made a pretty strong point. And regarding about me saying what other people stated I'm reading the thread for the first time and I've shared my thoughts. I don't think anyone else has adressed the issues I've adressed in quite the same way and if somehow I've missed it and they share my feelings I'm glad that they do. I'm kinda on the fence about you because you've said so much, but I can't help but feel like a lot that you've said doesn't make much sense/ doesn't add up/ looks like fake content. It might as well be that you are town producing huge amounts of BS to try to look town, which I don't think is a particularly good strategy, however the way you've adressed the suspicions saying acting scummy was all a part of a plan I'm having a hard time buying into. The person I feel most strongly about is TD and I would like you to share your thoughts on him/ what I've said about him.
On May 11 2015 05:59 sandroba wrote: @LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town.
On May 11 2015 10:14 sandroba wrote: GB is my top town read so far, pretty much every single post he's made I agree with. I believe any questioning pointed towards him at this point is just a waste of space and we should be talking about TD and damdred instead.
so here you are suspicous of damdred, calling him scum want to talk about him , then
On May 10 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote: hey Kels. Why does anything you say about TalkingDead make him mafia, deary?
This postcount thing making people just list reads feels really weird :p I have Damdred as towny and GB as scumweird for calling him mafia and not a lot else just yet.
On May 11 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote: ok, so just read through the loltastic nuke + anti-nuke. I don't really get why people let this sort of thing slide. Also if BH was going to anti-nuke the nuke, I don't know why he did it so soon, it seems really information-restrictive.
Essentially it means we should by lynching BM.
On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote: TalkingDead Oatsmaster HalftheSky
I've read all three of you pushing suspicions my way When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me. ##Nuke: Trfel
BM being BM or not being BM, the bolded reasoning is just nonsense. Game's barely started. Why launch the nuke so soon? There's no reason for it. Time and time again in Ver games mafia are forgiven for really terrible in-thread plays on the basis it's too terrible to be scum. Except it's just ballsy yolo with the expectation of not being punished.
Giving posts unannounced to Damdred was also very weird.
tldr; terrible shot based on terrible reason, no sweepy under carpetty pls. I don't think this is a town nuke.
##Vote: Bill Murray Random other things - sandroba looks better than other games lately, reads are more indepth, also I like performing a sexy naked dance while his eye is on me My early damdy read good read TalkingDead lynch bad lynch
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!
Onegu may be mafia, the multiple !!! seem really OTT and follows up with this random post directed at a bunch of people with no meaning behind it
On May 11 2015 20:50 sandroba wrote: @marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well.
meaning you agree that dam is town now, i'm not really sure where this sudden change came from. Then you said you agree with the point marv raised on dam but all he said was that he called him town earlier , it wasn't really a point as to why damdred is town.
It would be good if you could flesh this out because it seems like you are contradicting yourself just to read dam as town.
I changed my mind on damdred quite some time ago and have said so already. I was saying that I agree with some of his reads, but I would actually like him to elaborate on something because I have a really bad feeling about his posting so far. His reads all seem very shallow and direct, he doesn't seem to be considering other angles, is very dismissive, disconected from the game like he doesn't really care about the outcome and lacking emotion I usually see in his games as town. Not sure if I really answered your question, but I was really trying to get something out of marv without getting on his face to see how he would interact with me. So far I'm displeased.
On May 11 2015 22:01 KelsierSC wrote: Sandro, can you explain something to me.
On May 11 2015 07:20 sandroba wrote: @damdred any comments on what I've said about TD? I feel that I made a pretty strong point. And regarding about me saying what other people stated I'm reading the thread for the first time and I've shared my thoughts. I don't think anyone else has adressed the issues I've adressed in quite the same way and if somehow I've missed it and they share my feelings I'm glad that they do. I'm kinda on the fence about you because you've said so much, but I can't help but feel like a lot that you've said doesn't make much sense/ doesn't add up/ looks like fake content. It might as well be that you are town producing huge amounts of BS to try to look town, which I don't think is a particularly good strategy, however the way you've adressed the suspicions saying acting scummy was all a part of a plan I'm having a hard time buying into. The person I feel most strongly about is TD and I would like you to share your thoughts on him/ what I've said about him.
On May 11 2015 05:59 sandroba wrote: @LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town.
On May 11 2015 10:14 sandroba wrote: GB is my top town read so far, pretty much every single post he's made I agree with. I believe any questioning pointed towards him at this point is just a waste of space and we should be talking about TD and damdred instead.
so here you are suspicous of damdred, calling him scum want to talk about him , then
earlier marv had said this
On May 10 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote: hey Kels. Why does anything you say about TalkingDead make him mafia, deary?
This postcount thing making people just list reads feels really weird :p I have Damdred as towny and GB as scumweird for calling him mafia and not a lot else just yet.
and followed up later with
On May 11 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote: ok, so just read through the loltastic nuke + anti-nuke. I don't really get why people let this sort of thing slide. Also if BH was going to anti-nuke the nuke, I don't know why he did it so soon, it seems really information-restrictive.
Essentially it means we should by lynching BM.
On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote: TalkingDead Oatsmaster HalftheSky
I've read all three of you pushing suspicions my way When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me. ##Nuke: Trfel
BM being BM or not being BM, the bolded reasoning is just nonsense. Game's barely started. Why launch the nuke so soon? There's no reason for it. Time and time again in Ver games mafia are forgiven for really terrible in-thread plays on the basis it's too terrible to be scum. Except it's just ballsy yolo with the expectation of not being punished.
Giving posts unannounced to Damdred was also very weird.
tldr; terrible shot based on terrible reason, no sweepy under carpetty pls. I don't think this is a town nuke.
##Vote: Bill Murray Random other things - sandroba looks better than other games lately, reads are more indepth, also I like performing a sexy naked dance while his eye is on me My early damdy read good read TalkingDead lynch bad lynch
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!
Onegu may be mafia, the multiple !!! seem really OTT and follows up with this random post directed at a bunch of people with no meaning behind it
in response to this post you say
On May 11 2015 20:50 sandroba wrote: @marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well.
meaning you agree that dam is town now, i'm not really sure where this sudden change came from. Then you said you agree with the point marv raised on dam but all he said was that he called him town earlier , it wasn't really a point as to why damdred is town.
It would be good if you could flesh this out because it seems like you are contradicting yourself just to read dam as town.
I changed my mind on damdred quite some time ago and have said so already. I was saying that I agree with some of his reads, but I would actually like him to elaborate on something because I have a really bad feeling about his posting so far. His reads all seem very shallow and direct, he doesn't seem to be considering other angles, is very dismissive, disconected from the game like he doesn't really care about the outcome and lacking emotion I usually see in his games as town. Not sure if I really answered your question, but I was really trying to get something out of marv without getting on his face to see how he would interact with me. So far I'm displeased.
hmm ok I guess that makes sense, the question to marv part.
what made you change your mind about damdred, the thing I saw was that if you were wrong about TD then you would feel better about damdred, so did you change your mind on TD?
or is my reading just bad and you just feel better about damdred regardless. i'm referring to this post.
On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote: If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already.
if so can you explain what changed your mind on damdred then
Mostly his posting after I started accusing him. I don't think it's important to expand on why I feel damdred is town right now, because no one wants to lynch him. Either way you rsoul and gb (maybe even damdred lol) are my top towns so far and I'd rather we all focus on other people.
On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote: Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around ##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.
btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it.
I know BM is silly but I don't think this point you make makes him more or less mafia. I think a town would like to justify his actions when pressure is on him just as much as a mafia. I don't understand how you are so sure about this. I can understand and share the feeling of wanting to lynch him regardless just so he doesn't get away with this as mafia and I feel like a tard for letting it happen, but having seen BM's town play I deffinitely think it's just as much possible for him to be town in this spot, no matter how absurd his actions and reasons are.
On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote: Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around ##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.
btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it.
I know BM is silly but I don't think this point you make makes him more or less mafia. I think a town would like to justify his actions when pressure is on him just as much as a mafia. I don't understand how you are so sure about this. I can understand and share the feeling of wanting to lynch him regardless just so he doesn't get away with this as mafia and I feel like a tard for letting it happen, but having seen BM's town play I deffinitely think it's just as much possible for him to be town in this spot, no matter how absurd his actions and reasons are.
can you show me him doing this like this as town?
because i know i can find him doing it as mafia
Not exactly this, but every time I play with him as town I remember him doing something so bad I couldn't wrap my head around. If you could link me to a game where he did something similar as mafia it would definitely help me.
I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat. I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today. Regarding Vivax I undertand the suspicion prior to him posting, but now that it started I don't see any reason in particular for the number of scum reads he is getting. Between BM and jat I think there is no reason to consider a vivax lynch today so far. Stutters on the other hand is someone that came in late that I find much more suspicous. He entered the thread and only commented on the most recent thing that happened, had no unique perspective or orignal read, just added pretty bland noncommittal statements. I would be much more inclined to lynch into those 3.
On May 12 2015 04:24 sandroba wrote: I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat. I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today.
Why do you think a BM flip would not give us information? He is one of the most talked about people, no? I don't really think dayvigging him would be a good idea if we can just lynch him. Dayvig shots should be saved for lurkers who don't create any associations with their play. RoL might fit this category.
Tell me who I should have engaged then. Palmar attacked me for not getting a joke half a dozen other people also did not understand which is something he would do as either alignment and engaging him about it is completely pointless and a waste of posts. Yamato attacked me for not having reads. I already said he is probably town for the way he did it because he is a pussy as mafia. If he is town the only way to construtively engage this is by posting reads when I have them while arguing with him about it doesn't lead anywhere. If he is mafia there is no point in engaging him either. Now you call me angry. I don't know how you come to this conclusion. In fact people said I was not angry enough to be mafia earlier. But I don't think you are mafia with this performace so far. The difference to last game is like night and day. Maybe I am just having an off day but if I had seen situations that warranted "digging" I would have done so. Even though my style of playing is severely limited by this post restriction and that should be really obvious. It is absolutely possible that you feel like I am detached from this game because apparently I am.
I realize that me defending myself doesn't help either and will stop doing this now but all I can tell you is that it is very unlikely that you will still want to lynch me tomorrow so it would be more producitve if you would concentrate on other people for now.
Somehow I believe your response. I'll get off your balls. The thing about BM is that I can't really fault people for thinking he is either town or scum. I'm myself at like ~51% town at this point. I think he is an easy bus if mafia and if town I really can't tell the difference from the scum and town on his wagon. That's why I'd rather he just got vigged so we could move on, I don't really think his alignment really matters at this point.
I have already and I do agree that oats looks suspicious, but I have a weakness that is when people town read me I tend to think they are more towny, so that really threw me off a bit. I wanted to give him some space and see if he would post something of value without anyone poking him to do it, but so far he failed to deliver. I do think he is a decent lynch.
I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
On May 12 2015 04:24 sandroba wrote: I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat. I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today. Regarding Vivax I undertand the suspicion prior to him posting, but now that it started I don't see any reason in particular for the number of scum reads he is getting. Between BM and jat I think there is no reason to consider a vivax lynch today so far. Stutters on the other hand is someone that came in late that I find much more suspicous. He entered the thread and only commented on the most recent thing that happened, had no unique perspective or orignal read, just added pretty bland noncommittal statements. I would be much more inclined to lynch into those 3.
I changed my mind about jat, but don't you agree with my accessment of vivax and stutters? I think that if you look how both entered the thread and started posting you will see a clear difference.
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
On May 12 2015 19:48 Palmar wrote: Like if he's mafia what is his endgame nuking a bunch of people and antagonizing a bunch of players (I think he called me, marv and BH mafia all in the same post).
If BM is crazy as town I would expect he would be crazy as mafia as well. Reading the post I quoted don't you think he is misleading people on purpose? Also BM could simply be traitor fucking with the thread on purpose. I think townie is the least probable scenario.
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
You even put a caveat into your own analysis. This is basically a policy lynch for BM being retarded. If you want to policy lynch today RoL is a much better option. Bill is being insane, but he's being active and insane. RoL's "Bold proposition" post was awful and sounded forced and his vote on me was equally terrible.
Bill is insane and I'm very afraid that he ends up being townie, but this particular game I think he is more likely mafia despite being insane for the reasons I explained and you didn't bother telling me why those reasons are wrong. What does RoL has to do with anything? If you recall RoL's town games you will remember the same lvl of lurkiness/terribleness.
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
How is your marv investigation coming along?
Let's say I'm glad BH shot the nuke off. I'm leaning town right now, but not strongly.
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