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On May 12 2015 03:48 Bill Murray wrote: Oh, good.This one wont fire because I have the most votes. ##vote Bill Murray Let's keep it that way. | ||
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On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote: Can you prove the bolded?yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town... | ||
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If Bill Murray ever becomes not the leading wagon, I get nuked. So if I want to actually scumread someone else, I need to be sure enough about it that it is worth me dying and leaving a huge potential mislynch target alive (assuming Bill Murray is in fact town, which is by no means guaranteed). It's actually quite frustrating. I have an additional reason to be suspicious of Bill Murray, but it's best if I keep that to myself for now. Furthermore, Bill Murray's play last game (Student Mafia VIII) was quite reasonable and good, while Bill Murray has played erratically as town in the past, given his /in post: On May 04 2015 11:21 Bill Murray wrote: I would expect him to be willing to interact with people and play reasonably. And his play here is very far below the play he showed last game./in i am done with finals and promise to not be disruptive The best reason to townread Bill Murray is that it would be really weird if scum had a role that could launch multiple nukes in one day. But if scum did have this role, I would see them giving it to Bill Murray, and I would see Bill Murray doing something rather like this. Other than Bill Murray? I'm working on it. I have several suspicions, but they are best kept to myself at this time. | ||
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On May 12 2015 04:02 Trfel wrote: Bill Murray, can you please respond to this?Can you prove the bolded? | ||
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But I'm not really seeing many good lynches right now at all. I'll keep my vote on Bill Murray for the time being, mostly due to the extreme change in his play after he fired his second nuke. Initially, Bill Murray seemed extremely determined to solve the game on his own. He nuked twice without really interacting with other people or trying to talk about reads, and ignoring the people who provided reads to the contrary. After both of these nukes were used, Bill Murray changed his play to start interacting with people and being willing to talk to them. He's been much more open and helpful recently. But his latest post didn't look very good at all. And I don't see why Bill Murray would not want to interact with others, and then would be frustrated by having both of his nukes countered, and then be much more willing to talk to people. I can't figure out LightningStrike this game at all. Onegu could very well be scum, maybe there is something to the Xatalos push. I could see myself lynching a less active player as well. I don't really want to lynch Blazinghand today, while I don't think that his use of anti-nukes was towny, I'd prefer to wait for him to provide actual reads before reading him. | ||
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On May 12 2015 08:19 Onegu wrote: Which is exactly why he might do it...Because he instantly going to get mafia read for it. Seems counter intuitive to do on day 1 as mafia... Only way I could see it is if he couldnt save them but even then or had to shoot them... He gets to take two shots at townies which may or may not get saved. And it's a play that no one expects, and it comes from someone known to do crazy plays. But ugh, it still doesn't matter. ##unvote I can't lynch Bill Murray today. | ||
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One of the main reasons that I was previously townreading Bill Murray is that I didn't think that scum would have a nuking role. This role feels extremely difficult for scum to use, as it ties the player to their shot. For a nuking role to be used by scum, it would have to be used in a way similar to this, and by a player somewhat like Bill Murray. This still isn't a very ideal role for scum to have. But I think that playing this way actually has a lot of appeal for scum (it's fun, even if not objectively the best play). So there's the mafia incentive. On May 11 2015 13:14 Bill Murray wrote: Bill Murray giving posts to Damdred and then saying this feels somewhat like buddying to me. Especially if his intention was to nuke people in Day 1, he needs his posts to help interact with people and share his reads. Furthermore, I find it very interesting that Damdred townread me, and Bill Murray apparently trusts Damdred enough to give him most of his Night 0 posts.That town-town shit was shady. I didn't like how rude he was to you, and it was very frustrating not being able to post about it due to giving my posts away to Damdred. Every single post Damdred made, however, made me smile. Whoever it was... OWS or someone... Who said Damdred was crazy... Completely disagree with them Bill Murray's usage of his nukes was very strange. Many of the reasons have been brought up already, I won't bother repeating those. But there is one more thing I noticed. Bill Murray read my filter and then was willing to nuke me immediately for low activity (despite a post that said I would be more active that very evening...). Then he kept reading filters and found even less active players: On May 11 2015 13:18 Bill Murray wrote: Since he is capable of nuking twice in one day, why didn't he fire his second nuke at Palmar? If he was confident enough to nuke me, and he wished he nuked Palmar, then he ought to nuke Palmar here after reading his filter.Wow I should have nuked fucking Palmar Guy has even less activity than Trfel Very unusual for Palmar Despite Bill Murray's reads being based almost primarily on activity (unexplained townread on Damdred, but then scumread on me for low activity, agrees with KelsierSC about TalkingDead being suspicious, suspicious of Palmar for activity, not wanting to lynch sandroba and TalkingDead for their higher activity, mentions Vivax with only one post, and says that RebirthOfLeGenD is scummy for only one post with lots of capital letters, then agrees with Damdred that Xatalos's low activity is scummy). Almost all of his reads are activity based, and he even shows that he is caring more about activity than other reasons through his posts on TalkingDead. But he uses his second nuke on marvellosity for reasons completely aside from activity. Bill Murray has also been very inconsistent and lying when justifying his read on me. On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote: When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me. ##Nuke: Trfel On May 12 2015 02:01 Bill Murray wrote: it's about timing. the last game i played with him he was literally the first post in the thread, and carried the game. we actually had to ask him to quit posting. it wasn't necessarily the gigantic wall posts that bugged me, but he, as town, misrepresents people nearly on purpose to piss them off he is a lot more defensive this game On May 12 2015 03:54 Bill Murray wrote: should have been voting you from the start you were my first suspicion given the discrepancy from how you're posting this game compared to the last one i played in when you were obv town ##vote: trfel On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote: yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town... So basically, Bill Murray says that last game I was carrying town last game and was an obvious townread. He also states that my play was extremely different between the two games. Then, he suddenly says that my play was the same last game and this game, so I am town. I can't be posting so much that "we actually had to ask [me] to quit posting" and "actively lurking", and even so, my play can't be so distinctly different in these two games but with me being lurking in both. This is a blatant contradiction. Furthermore, read Bill Murray's filter from Student Mafia VIII (the game he refers to). He was scumreading me for the entire game. I was carrying town and an obvious town read, so obvious that he scumread me the whole time. Bill Murray is scum because:
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On May 12 2015 09:13 yamato77 wrote: Did you read his Student Mafia VIII filter like I asked?That's fine and all, but none of the reasons you posted are conclusive for a player like BM. It is a policy lynch, plain and simple. I generally don't do policy lynches. In that game, he was actually being mostly reasonable and trying to solve the game. In this game, his /in post said that he would not be disruptive. I don't see Bill Murray suddenly deciding to ignore everyone, including his town reads and randomly nuke two players and only then listen to people, given that he showed that he is willing to discuss with people and said that he would not be disruptive this game. | ||
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##vote Bill Murray If there is anything I am missing or have missed, please let me know (or link me a previous post explaining it, or whatever you want to do). But just describe it in a way that I can understand (and I'm not very smart, so you'd better make it really obvious). Thanks! I really think that marvellosity was correct that TalkingDead's analysis of GlowingBear and Damdred's argument being town-town or scum-scum is irrelevant. Despite the reasoning being poor for this conclusion, there is no reason for TalkingDead to do this as mafia, so it doesn't matter. I have generally liked TalkingDead's analysis this game. The lynches (other than Bill Murray) that I think I'm most willing to support are Xatalos and Onegu. | ||
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Otherwise, I might have to lynch you. | ||
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On May 12 2015 10:55 Bill Murray wrote: I'm having a lot of trouble reading this post, but I assume that it is a response to my case on Bill Murray here. And as such, it is factually completely incorrect.1) I don't believe he is mafia, so there can't be a contradiction. My read changed. Get over it 2) You say that Damdred townread you and that makes me mafia because I gave him posts a. you're being very illogical b. you hadn't posted at all so you are misrepresenting this scenario - if you had posted, it was at most once. You posted 1 time before I launched my nuke. These things occurred a day apart. - you are now acting like you were here on Mother's Day when you weren't. Synopsis: If you had been less terse in your opening post, perhaps I wouldn't have had to have nuked you. Sorry if you end up flipping town like I expect you to, now, but compare your opening post in this game to the one you posted in Newbie Mafia VIII that we just played in less than a month ago Your post was something you spent a couple hours on that game. This one was just bland, without the punch that the other had. It made me think you were a different role. I was thinking there was a very good possibility I would be getting praised for nuking you before the day way out.... now I'm worried that I'm going to get mislynched and that I might have ended up nuking something that we will end up needing. I'm not really sold on believing BlazingHand. If he's not lying, you're dead. One last thing, the fact you would nuke me right back shows the facet of your play you need to fix. You demonstrate a wrathfulness that borders on OMGUS. Now, you admitted to doing that last game, so I have hope for you, or I wouldn't be trying to help you right now, but know that the person accusing you is not always the best option to lynch. the other 10% is referred to as "VI" in some circles, and I am not talking about the league of legends champion. I don't feel that way about you; I just feel like you're a guy that is trying to have fun dumbtelling as scum to get recruited ... it is what it is. I made four posts (not counting posting the player list with filters) by the time that you nuked me. By the time you nuked me, I had provided more reads than you. Please check your facts. I've already explained that my "nuke" on you was a test to investigate fake nukes, it was obviously not a real nuke. You're obviously not reading the game, your post doesn't talk about anything of any relevance. On May 12 2015 11:35 Bill Murray wrote: You can really stop attacking my playstyle with things that are obviously false.... my play has an extremely large number of flaws, and believe me, I'm more aware of them than anyone else.Been catching up on some pages I've missed. I'm a little bit behind on reading. I am going to go back and fill in the blanks with what we need to do to win this game. Well, if I get to live long enough to do anything to help you guys. Trfel, I wish we could be friends. There are just some differences between us. I want to point something out, and it's another reason I don't like your play. Trfel, you take thread sentiment (Cases on Xatalos, Onegu) and you pass it off as if you created them. Your case on Xatalos is probably coming from Rsoultin Your case on Onegu would probably be less of a reach than if it was coming from me Your case on me is regurgitated from TD. Just don't take that too harsh. I'm sorry I have a nuke going at you, potentially, but it is what it is. I don't have a case on Xatalos, and I never said I did? I don't have a case on Onegu, and I never said I did? I have a small case on you, certainly built on what others have posted, however I have taken additional efforts to show why your play fits a mafia motivation. So you're accusing me of being a flawed player for doing things which I'm going to do?!?! Bill Murray, why are you voting for Onegu instead of your other scumreads? And why do you think that my filter (at the time of you firing your nuke) was only one post, when it was actually four, and ignore the fourth post saying that I would get back to the game the very evening you fired? But I almost can't see scum playing with such obvious lies... it makes me more inclined to think that he somehow completely missed 75% of my filter and is unable to understand my post on him (despite the TLDR), and if that is true maybe Bill Murray is town here. And while it's extremely frustrating, I don't think that Bill Murray would attack my playstyle when it is not at all necessary (and is false). ##unvote If he fires any more nukes he gets policy lynched, 100%. If not, hopefully more time will allow him to actually demonstrate a townie mindset. | ||
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Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him. | ||
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But GlowingBear and Damdred are most likely town anyway, their actions had no solid mafia motivation. I think that I want to lynch Onegu today. ##vote Onegu On May 12 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote: He says this when it benefits himself. He only made one post which I consider "more serious" than his normal play. And he hasn't been following through with this since.Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment. But it's his continual usage of hearts to annoy rsoultin that pushes it over the top. That's just not a towny thing to do. And he hasn't been keeping up with the greater seriousness that he mentioned earlier. His constant frustration at rsoultin is perfectly in line with how he would feel if he loves playing scum and finally rolls scum, but then has rsoultin scumreading him from the very start of the game. It's not great, but I don't really see most of the other wagons. Though I could definitely see myself lynching sandroba. | ||
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Onegu has a good shot at being scum. | ||
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On May 13 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote: He's just being obnoxious. He's capable of playing way better than this as town or as scum.You haven't really mentioned Vivax Trfel? It's just a policy lynch. | ||
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On May 13 2015 05:22 justanothertownie wrote: Game of Thrones Mini Mafia. His play there is much better than his play here.Show me one game where Vivax played well as scum recently. Only one. What makes Vivax mafia and not lazy, obnoxious town? | ||
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But I still prefer lynching Onegu. I would appreciate it if someone would tell my why they do not want to lynch Onegu. | ||
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