On May 11 2015 16:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah you seemed pretty mad at getting nuked so i stopped it. i figure that anger was real. welcome back to life trfel
now I sleep
Thanks for saving me, I really do appreciate it.
But why wouldn't Trfel be mad about being nuked as well?
hmm, good point. make sure you be town instead of scum then so i don't look really stupid in post game kkthxbai
On May 11 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote: Btw if Trfel flips town we lynch BH for TMI and if he flips mafia we lynch BH for saving scumbuddy.
In conclusion we lynch BH.
You want to lynch BH for saving a townie. What...?
You have a new quest now JAT.
Find one person, outside of yourself, who took this post I wrote regarding BH seriously, as in something I actually wanted to do, and you will not be lynched.
However if you happened to be the only person in the thread boring enough to not notice that I was clearly just saying random shit, that makes you mafia because you're like the least funny, witty, relaxed person on earth when you actually are mafia.
On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote: BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv.
On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote: Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.
I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.
If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.
I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar.
you're right, clearly you're so right, definitely stopping BM from nuking people is really really a bad thing to do, how could I be so wrong, oh no wait the opposite of that
oh yeah it's entirely possible mods fucked up and sent me the wrong role PM, twice, this game. not saying it happened, or that I even received a role PM, or that mods would ever PM me about anything. definitely not saying that. Just to be clear, I am not breaking the rules by saying that mods sent me the wrong pm twice and that accounts for some weird changes in my PR use.
I'm just saying it's POSSIBLE that it happened, ok
On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote: Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.
I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.
If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.
I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar.
I think it's just not correct to say you "can't see it coming from a town perspective" maybe he judged trefl was town and decided not to let him get hit by a nuke. that feels townie to me.
some people are saying it isn't "optimal" because more info could have been gathered, whilst I agree I don't think that makes BH scummy. in the heat of the moment he saved someone he thought was town.
for the second nuke he waited a while and then decided to anti it, more in line with an optimal play, that nuke was terrible marv is clear town so that is a pro town move from BH. If BH is mafia it may have made sense to wait it out even longer and see if someone who is town uses an anti nuke to save marv. he can claim he has none left.
i don't really see the double standard, if people complain he acted to rashly with the first anti, to wait on the second.
I disagree with your analysis
Consider yourself with the anti nuke ability. You see a town read with one page of filter getting nuked after 48 hours. You don't know anyone's alignment (you're town, duh). Will you further investigate this guy alignment to decide if you really waste your anti nuke or you immediately use it and shut down thread progression?
Only a guy with perfect information would react that way.
To me, Kelsen, BH asked Palmar's permission so he could blame Palmar once marv flips read. This is somehow approaching WIFOM territory, but very plausible.
yes I understand that point, but I have also presented a case where BH is town, saying "you just can't see it being town" isn't true
consider yourself as mafia, someone nukes marv! who is likely town here, you can claim that you have no anti nukes left, but instead you decide to save him? that doesn't make sense to me.
If marv is town clearly i'm scum going for towncred If marv is scum clearly I'm scum trying to save my scumbuddy
On May 12 2015 08:08 GlowingBear wrote: Oh boy. Kelsen. BH IS up for the lynch today.
Oh boy.
Oh. Boy.
On May 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote: BH, is BM scum?
haha, i have no idea dude. shouldn't you be asking me about my reads on JAT (who I voted), or Trfel and Marv, who I saved? lern 2 interrogate
On May 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote: Yamato, my reads are not based on confirmation stuff. It's based on my extraordinarily poor understanding of Blazinghand, Mafia, and human nature in general.
No need to get yourself down dude you can just move on to another person
On May 12 2015 08:08 GlowingBear wrote: Oh boy. Kelsen. BH IS up for the lynch today.
Oh boy.
Oh. Boy.
On May 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote: BH, is BM scum?
haha, i have no idea dude. shouldn't you be asking me about my reads on JAT (who I voted), or Trfel and Marv, who I saved? lern 2 interrogate
On May 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote: Yamato, my reads are not based on confirmation stuff. It's based on my extraordinarily poor understanding of Blazinghand, Mafia, and human nature in general.
No need to get yourself down dude you can just move on to another person
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I love you BH
But no, I should be asking you. How can you stop two nukes without considering the launcher's alignment?
cause the laucnher... isn't the one who's gonna get killed? like look dude, maybe you don't understand how nukes typically work, but they kill the target, not the launcher. I don't care whether BM is bad town or scum for shooting Marv, for example. That's not even remotely relevant. You see, outside of maybe Palmar and Marv, I'm the best player here by a pretty substantial margin. Let's say BM is scum. Then obviously I want to save Marv, who is proooobably town. Now let's say BM is town and shooting Marv who is proooobably town. the fact that BM is town doesn't make a different, Marv is still probably town and STILL shouldn't get nuked. I don't see why BM's alignment is even a factor in saving a townie from dying.
Like, maybe you're making some point about how I should respect other players' opinions or something when they launch nukes, but let's be one HUNDO percent real here, I have almost no respect for other people's scumreads unless those peopel are named Palmar (plus a couple others), so why should I care?
Do you understand? I'm just THAT GOOD that BM's opinion is strictly speaking less important and less correct than mine.
On May 12 2015 10:41 Trfel wrote: Blazinghand, do you have any timeframe for when you will start providing actual reads?
Otherwise, I might have to lynch you.
after dinner
i'm kinda hoping BM flips scum tho then I can ride the ez train till I get shot
realistically I'll need to actually catch some scum, if nothing else all the nuke shenannies gernerated like a ton of content and people arguing about stuff so I'll take some time to analyze that after i finish eating. I'm pretty certain I won't get lynched today, so I can take my time and get something out during N1 or the start of D2 and things should be fine
On May 12 2015 20:14 GlowingBear wrote: ##Pardon: Bill Murray
Now lynch someone that is scum.
Bye.
hahaha that's fuckin choice there's some next level shit going on here, pretty heroic
On May 12 2015 22:21 batsnacks wrote: ##vote Sandroba
I found probable mafia. Unfortunately I can't explain it without claiming. It's weird though because sandroba did nothing last game as mafia and now he's talking a lot.
so are you like 3p lyncher and you win if sandro dies or what
On May 12 2015 22:32 Palmar wrote: There is not nearly enough emotions in the thread about GB pardoning BM. Why aren't yall people who think BM is mafia absolutely frothing right now?
Palmar deffo town just based on this btw
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.