On May 07 2015 03:29 -Celestial- wrote: What reads?
His "reads" D1 as far as I can tell amounted to a bad feeling on Shining, a bad feeling on me and an OMGUS on HtS which turned into a wagon after you picked it up and started pushing. As well as a bunch of rambling about how he just didn't like the scott wagon, but never actually seemed to specifically read scott unless I missed it somewhere.
You seem to be giving him a totally free pass for doing virtually nothing at all.
K. Let's all circlejerk onto prp like we did with scott. Like I haven't even re-evaluated him yet, but the fact that so many people are jumping on him so readily already irks the shit out of me. It's almost never mafia then. Same with scott d1. I haven't re-valuated him because I have no fucking interest in jumping on yet another singular wagon.
Right now there's three people on prplhz, two on you and two on Shining. That's hardly circlejerking onto a singular wagon.
On May 07 2015 03:37 -Celestial- wrote: Like...right now I don't know what to think on Superbia. I think sicklucker has got a point but I'm all over the place on the guy.
But prplhz is just...bright crimson right now. He's done nothing but lurk and try to pretend to contribute. And yet Superbia has been hard town reading him literally the entire game because "he's thinking the same as me, making the same reads" despite the fact he's made virtually no reads at all.
Seriously just wtf. prplhz looks terrible and Superbia's constant defending is honestly weirding me out. I almost think it would be worth lynching Superbia right now because of that one thing.
What? No. You lynch the bright crimson scum first. That's like mafia 101.
I was being a touch hyperbolic, hence why I said "almost" and I'm staying on prplhz right now. Though I feel Superbia is far more dangerous an opponent to leave alive if he does turn out to be scum which worries me a lot.
@HtS: Not a fan of the responses. I can understand some of his arguments but it seems to me he's playing this way too close to his chest for me to be comfortable with.
If I had to pick one thing in particular out I really don't like its the fight back against the whole killing FF thing. He's insisting that FF was never blue. But we can't prove that's what he actually thought or that's what ANYONE thought. I don't recall anyone going "oh that FF is definitely not blue" because that'd be a godawful town play anyway. The argument then switches to "if I thought FF was blue I'd do X, Y, Z" which is entirely not alignment indicative because he can say literally anything at all he wants here and nobody can prove otherwise. Then he's continuing to hammer away at the fact that he claims he got roleblocked and mafia has a role read on him; which is another thing nobody can actually verify.
There does seem to be a hint of frustration that he claims he feels when people scum him when he's town; but that could easily be him feeling pressured as red either. I don't like that he's making a big deal about the fact that people should dismiss him as a scum candidate on the basis of things he's claiming that nobody else can prove.
Oh I absolutely agree with the past few posts by the way. I think both sicklucker and Superbia look pretty dodgy now but there's no way they're on the same mafia team. Although I don't get a town-on-town vibe from the interactions either so one of them is probably scum.
On May 07 2015 06:58 The Shining wrote: wouldn't a newbie town be a little hesitant to push so Damn hard after that Scott ml?
Alternatively if I was showing I was scared and unwilling to push people then people would think that I'd drove the mislynch train and then gone quiet, hoping not to be noticed in the fallout.
Both are potentially very good reasons to scum me in fairness.
On May 07 2015 04:55 -Celestial- wrote: @HtS: Not a fan of the responses. I can understand some of his arguments but it seems to me he's playing this way too close to his chest for me to be comfortable with.
If I had to pick one thing in particular out I really don't like its the fight back against the whole killing FF thing. He's insisting that FF was never blue. But we can't prove that's what he actually thought or that's what ANYONE thought. I don't recall anyone going "oh that FF is definitely not blue" because that'd be a godawful town play anyway. The argument then switches to "if I thought FF was blue I'd do X, Y, Z" which is entirely not alignment indicative because he can say literally anything at all he wants here and nobody can prove otherwise. Then he's continuing to hammer away at the fact that he claims he got roleblocked and mafia has a role read on him; which is another thing nobody can actually verify.
There does seem to be a hint of frustration that he claims he feels when people scum him when he's town; but that could easily be him feeling pressured as red either. I don't like that he's making a big deal about the fact that people should dismiss him as a scum candidate on the basis of things he's claiming that nobody else can prove.
I acualy said ff is blue !
Oh? Missed that in your filter. Fair enough. Think that's a bit of a silly play though because you're drawing attention to people you think are blue and might get them killed.
That being said...would THAT have been enough to give the mafia a target in itself? "Eh, we don't have anyone better so we might as well go with the confirmed townie who someone said might be blue."
On May 07 2015 06:58 The Shining wrote: wouldn't a newbie town be a little hesitant to push so Damn hard after that Scott ml?
Alternatively if I was showing I was scared and unwilling to push people then people would think that I'd drove the mislynch train and then gone quiet, hoping not to be noticed in the fallout.
Both are potentially very good reasons to scum me in fairness.
Yeah. My point is, it happened and it's enough for me to scum you or at least not town you. And no one has questioned it. You've even got a conf town read for it. I just want to know why.
To read into it you'd have to look at my town style but I only have one game on here and it was as scum. You could ask me directly but all I'm going to say as EITHER alignment is "yeah, I'm town, do this all the time". Like I said, either way could be a good way to scum me and that's pretty much why I didn't even bother trying to avoid that potential criticism (although you seem to be the first to have brought it up) because nothing I say will make a bit of difference to what you think there.
Ultimately I have zero reason to be scared as long as I remember to keep putting out a big read post every day and night containing all my thoughts because as long as that's out I'm leaving my legacy behind for town to follow up on. Although I'd like to note that I didn't actually MEAN to "lead" the prplhz lynch here but the fact that Superbia kept blindly defending the guy for, in my view, no reason whatsoever was enough for me to dig through prpl's entire filter and pull it apart to wave it in front of Superbia.
Well that makes things monumentally easier. We lynch prplhz now. If he flips red then disformation dies tonight because no way does a claimed doc survive NK. If he flips anything other than red we lynch disformation tomorrow.
Unfortunately that means that disformation is 100% dead either way. Sorry about that. :-\
On May 08 2015 01:33 Superbia wrote: Excellent. This game is making a lot more sense now, assuming prp indeed flips scum (and he should, probably goon). The fact that he's willing to trade his life for the doctor means that there is 100% mafia on his wagon already (bus has been coming). I think it's stutters. Why? Find out in the next episode of: "Superbia solves the game" (i.e. this evening). Hint: if you can figure out why, you get a free townread! (hint: Adamantine).
I will vote prpl tomorrow. However, I really do not like disinfo's EoD summary post. There are way scummier things about prpl than sitting back after voting HtS. The fact that he ignores those worries me and makes me think that might be an attempt at a bus if prpl flips later without actually trying to get him lynched. Not to mention that's the only positive of his list there and it ignores the biggest things against prpl.
Not going to worry about that yet, but just something to note if prpl flips scum.
Its like...he could see scum on prpl...but then starts to set up a potential callback for when prpl flips scum to try to tie it into disformation. As if he's preemptively setting himself up for a push on disformation when prpl flips scum. Despite the fact that disformation was also onto prpl.
On May 08 2015 01:35 disformation wrote: I also gave sicklucker a bunch of town cred for his math theory stuff. Since he genuinely seemed into the idea that there is a vet and stuff.
This is actually a good point. sicklucker was tunneling REALLY hard on the idea of a veteran if I remember rightly. Whereas if he was scum he'd KNOW there's no veteran.
Could be an act, but something to think about anyway.
On May 08 2015 01:54 Half the Sky wrote: Celestial, ritoky did the same thing with the prp mind meld.
They both need looked at?
Well I'm going to wait until the flip until I start filter diving again but yeah, in light of the new information there's a bunch I'm going to check over.
On May 08 2015 02:01 Half the Sky wrote: Superbia contends that prp would have claimed DT to draw out the DT claim.
Hence unlikely a DT.
I guess, but I'm not 100% on that. Drawing out the DT claim also allows the DT to freely post their checks giving town more info outright that can then be confirmed by the DT death. Why is the DT kill more valuable than the Doc kill?
Anyway this is all kind of unnecessary at this point. prplhz dies now. Vig should shoot tonight. disformation pretty much 100% dies tonight, can't see any reason for mafia to leave him alive. If Vig gets a good shot then we're two Mafia up.
Lets think though, if prplhz was Godfather he'll return VT to checks. Which means that anything he claims other than VT means he's automatically scum. So claiming DT would be his best call, since it should guarantee the DT counterclaim and get the DT kill; thus leaving his buddies safer.
As either of the others you claim Doc. Because if the Doc dies your KP become more potent (because you're not going to be worrying about saves). Its more dangerous for the other non-Godfather role, but it gives the DT time to get a green check on the Godfather so if the DT eventually outs you're in a great position to win.
On May 08 2015 02:12 Half the Sky wrote: A vig absolutely would have shot N1.
I'm not convinced 100% of that either since there were just so many potentials. Although to have held the shot through N1 would have required nerves of absolute steel.
On May 08 2015 03:17 Tictock wrote: So if the consensis if pretty firmly on prp for D2 lynch
Its not even consensus at this point. Its auto. He was being heavily scumread and claimed Doc ridiculously early which was then CCd. Absolutely textbook play; you lynch prp 100% under these conditions. Then if he flips blue you lynch dis. Again, auto.
The fact that he tried to change his claim is outright laughable. Either its a rather mean-spirited attempt to draw out a newbie cop with a CC or it is the most monumentally terrible mistake its possible to make as town.
Dropped in briefly to catch up a bit and see the flip. Watching the election stuff.
On May 08 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote: -c- I'm sure you looking into it more than I have at this point. Where do you stand with Stutters and Super at this point?
Anything more on stutters since you noticed his "backup" on Dis?
Super is looking significantly better since the whole Doc claim thing. Of course that could all change depending on prpl's flip coming up. Either way, first impression is he's looking a lot more townie but we'll have to see about the flip and filter.
Stutters I've honestly not looked into much since I mentioned his whole thing on disformation; it was just something that jumped out at me immediately. The time I had before I disappeared off to vote (and later watching Serenity) I was wrapped up in the fallout of the claim and counterclaim. I'll probably start looking at people again tomorrow when I've got the flip to work with too and when I'm significantly less tired. My brain isn't working very well right now, I'm exhausted. The last few pages have been very interesting though.
On May 08 2015 06:24 Half the Sky wrote: EU West is trash lately though. Crashed twice tonight. GG Valve.
I tried to get on CSGO a couple hours ago. Servers buggered to hell.
EPT
