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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 10 2015 20:57 GMT
#2081
On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.

It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.



Not sure what you're getting at here.

Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game).

Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 10 2015 20:57 GMT
#2082
lol fail!host

;o; my feels, hts!

you hurt my feels ;o;
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 10 2015 20:57 GMT
#2083
Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol
I'm adorable.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 10 2015 20:58 GMT
#2084
by fail!host...i mean me lol i didn't do much other than spy \o/

cakepie had an awesome tool for the votes ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 10 2015 20:58 GMT
#2085
>> prp was having an off scum game even for him lol >>
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 10 2015 20:58 GMT
#2086
On May 11 2015 05:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Anyhow much <3 to town....and <3 to Kita, Rasputin and cakepie for co-hosting.

10/10 to Kita on the animated gifs with the cycle posts.


I can sheep this.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 10 2015 21:01 GMT
#2087
On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.

It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.



Not sure what you're getting at here.

Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game).

Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game.


lol

you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 10 2015 21:02 GMT
#2088
On May 11 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol


Setup was fixed to Cop/Doc, Cop/Vet, Vig/Doc or Vig/Vet.

Anything he would have claimed would have been CCd. Unless you mean something else?
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 10 2015 21:05 GMT
#2089
On May 11 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:
On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.

It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.



Not sure what you're getting at here.

Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game).

Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game.


lol

you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing


One would hope that in a game of logic that rationality would be a thing. But I guess maybe I'm expecting a bit much. X-D
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 10 2015 21:12 GMT
#2090
On May 11 2015 06:02 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol


Setup was fixed to Cop/Doc, Cop/Vet, Vig/Doc or Vig/Vet.

Anything he would have claimed would have been CCd. Unless you mean something else?


Yeah gb meant why didnt he claim cop or vet, since they knew we had a doc/vig
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 10 2015 21:14 GMT
#2091
On May 11 2015 06:05 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:
On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:
On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.

It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.



Not sure what you're getting at here.

Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game).

Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game.


lol

you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing


One would hope that in a game of logic that rationality would be a thing. But I guess maybe I'm expecting a bit much. X-D


lol rationality is a thing, but irrational responses = mafia is generally not a thing if that makes any sense

or even irrational reasons for reads -_- unfortunately
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 10 2015 21:26 GMT
#2092
On May 11 2015 06:12 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 06:02 -Celestial- wrote:
On May 11 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol


Setup was fixed to Cop/Doc, Cop/Vet, Vig/Doc or Vig/Vet.

Anything he would have claimed would have been CCd. Unless you mean something else?


Yeah gb meant why didnt he claim cop or vet, since they knew we had a doc/vig



I mean I GUESS they might have been able to sneak it by an inattentive blue player? Dunno. *shrug*

Was still a desperate play on prpl's part.



On May 11 2015 06:14 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 06:05 -Celestial- wrote:
On May 11 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:
On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:
On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.

It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.



Not sure what you're getting at here.

Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game).

Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game.


lol

you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing


One would hope that in a game of logic that rationality would be a thing. But I guess maybe I'm expecting a bit much. X-D


lol rationality is a thing, but irrational responses = mafia is generally not a thing if that makes any sense

or even irrational reasons for reads -_- unfortunately


Ye gods why do people have to make this harder than it is. X-D
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 10 2015 21:30 GMT
#2093
lol

it's an exercise in intuition as much as rationality! \o/ which actually is why i like to play cause i feel like i need work on that anyway lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 10 2015 21:32 GMT
#2094
I mean, of course he claimed doctor so they could get the counter claim and kill doctor at night.

But in a game where no blue has claimed yet, he could have claimed cop or vigilante, and the other blues wouldn't be able to tell if that was true or not. The lynch would probably go to another target, and some blues could slip after that fake claim, so it would help scum night actions...

meh
I'm adorable.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
May 10 2015 21:36 GMT
#2095
On May 11 2015 05:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Anyhow much <3 to town....and <3 to Kita, Rasputin and cakepie for co-hosting.

10/10 to Kita on the animated gifs with the cycle posts.


Thanks Kita, Ras and cake as well.

I thought the one for night one on my ML summed it up perfectly.

THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 10 2015 21:39 GMT
#2096
I GUESS the Vig claim might have helped him there?

Because I mean...no way can Vig claim before he's made his shot there or they just RB him all game. So he might have gotten a mislynch off on D2? Of course he's 100% dead unless they guess that they got the RB right because Vig probably just shoots him then.

I guess the question then comes down to whether you better value an extra mislynch and a sort-of wasted Vig shot (that is to say a Vig shot on a guy who is 100% dead either way) or a guaranteed doc kill.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 10 2015 21:43 GMT
#2097
GG all. Was a fun game. Nice pocket prp. :D
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 10 2015 21:43 GMT
#2098
Also shoutout to town for pointing me in the right direction with prp.
Minimal effort.
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
May 10 2015 21:45 GMT
#2099
On May 11 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
I mean, of course he claimed doctor so they could get the counter claim and kill doctor at night.

But in a game where no blue has claimed yet, he could have claimed cop or vigilante, and the other blues wouldn't be able to tell if that was true or not. The lynch would probably go to another target, and some blues could slip after that fake claim, so it would help scum night actions...

meh


You mean, could have claimed cop or veteran (not vig; this game was doc/vig).

However, if I'm not mistaken, in this setup, cop fakeclaim effectively cc'd by vig, and vet fakeclaim cc'd by doc, because it's always one role from each pair. Prolly just going to temporarily catch some people who aren't paying attention to setup.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 10 2015 21:46 GMT
#2100
On May 11 2015 06:43 Superbia wrote:
Also shoutout to town for pointing me in the right direction with prp.


Shoutout to you for getting an excellent shot on Stutters. Didn't have him read as a priority at all but BAM.

Although by the gods you were a stubborn bugger with your read on prp. Haha.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
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