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On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.
It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.
Not sure what you're getting at here.
Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game).
Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game. 
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lol fail!host
;o; my feels, hts!
you hurt my feels ;o;
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Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol
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by fail!host...i mean me lol i didn't do much other than spy \o/
cakepie had an awesome tool for the votes ^^
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>> prp was having an off scum game even for him lol >>
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On May 11 2015 05:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Anyhow much <3 to town....and <3 to Kita, Rasputin and cakepie for co-hosting.
10/10 to Kita on the animated gifs with the cycle posts.
I can sheep this.
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On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.
It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.
Not sure what you're getting at here. Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game). Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game.
lol
you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing
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On May 11 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol
Setup was fixed to Cop/Doc, Cop/Vet, Vig/Doc or Vig/Vet.
Anything he would have claimed would have been CCd. Unless you mean something else?
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On May 11 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.
It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.
Not sure what you're getting at here. Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game). Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game. lol you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing
One would hope that in a game of logic that rationality would be a thing. But I guess maybe I'm expecting a bit much. X-D
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On May 11 2015 06:02 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol Setup was fixed to Cop/Doc, Cop/Vet, Vig/Doc or Vig/Vet. Anything he would have claimed would have been CCd. Unless you mean something else?
Yeah gb meant why didnt he claim cop or vet, since they knew we had a doc/vig
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On May 11 2015 06:05 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.
It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.
Not sure what you're getting at here. Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game). Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game. lol you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing One would hope that in a game of logic that rationality would be a thing. But I guess maybe I'm expecting a bit much. X-D
lol rationality is a thing, but irrational responses = mafia is generally not a thing  if that makes any sense
or even irrational reasons for reads -_- unfortunately
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On May 11 2015 06:12 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 06:02 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Why the hell did prp claim Doctor instead of a role that wasn't in the game??? lololol Setup was fixed to Cop/Doc, Cop/Vet, Vig/Doc or Vig/Vet. Anything he would have claimed would have been CCd. Unless you mean something else? Yeah gb meant why didnt he claim cop or vet, since they knew we had a doc/vig
I mean I GUESS they might have been able to sneak it by an inattentive blue player? Dunno. *shrug*
Was still a desperate play on prpl's part.
On May 11 2015 06:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 06:05 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:On May 11 2015 05:57 -Celestial- wrote:On May 11 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:
But Celestial, I'll be very honest with you here...this batch of veterans are normally very tame. Criticism of gameplay is the normal in mafia, even with town/town interactions - a really good scum player will know how to get into people's heads, and I've seen it before with some of the heavier tone players like geript/rayn/holyflare/JAT, etc.
It's honestly something you (and even I to an extent) need to work on. Even as town, you're not going to be perfect overnight.
Not sure what you're getting at here. Put bluntly if I'm actively casing someone and THEIR response to that (not somebody else's response, note) is to throw insults at me you can be damned sure I'm scumming them hard for it. I value logical arguments against the points I'm making; I'm a qualified scientist after all, using evidence and logic to refute something is kinda the entirety of the job (and being unable to refute something makes it a result, rather like mafia in that respect, hence how I played this game). Throwing insults simply looks like a temper-tantrum attempt to undermine the points without actually addressing them, which is a scum move. Hence my gigantic post on ritoky's entire filter to beat him over the head with it and try and actually get some logical argument out of him instead of the "lol, but I'm town" thing. Which he never did. Note that nobody else was actually questioning my read on him, only he was, and that questioning amounted to nothing more than insults and "lol I'm town, srsly". Which is why I'm somewhat sarcastically still scumreading him post-game. lol you'll find that being rational is not a requirement to play mafia or to be town ^^ i had trouble with it too when i first started playing One would hope that in a game of logic that rationality would be a thing. But I guess maybe I'm expecting a bit much. X-D lol rationality is a thing, but irrational responses = mafia is generally not a thing if that makes any sense or even irrational reasons for reads -_- unfortunately
Ye gods why do people have to make this harder than it is. X-D
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lol
it's an exercise in intuition as much as rationality! \o/ which actually is why i like to play cause i feel like i need work on that anyway lol ><
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I mean, of course he claimed doctor so they could get the counter claim and kill doctor at night.
But in a game where no blue has claimed yet, he could have claimed cop or vigilante, and the other blues wouldn't be able to tell if that was true or not. The lynch would probably go to another target, and some blues could slip after that fake claim, so it would help scum night actions...
meh
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On May 11 2015 05:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Anyhow much <3 to town....and <3 to Kita, Rasputin and cakepie for co-hosting.
10/10 to Kita on the animated gifs with the cycle posts.
Thanks Kita, Ras and cake as well.
I thought the one for night one on my ML summed it up perfectly.
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I GUESS the Vig claim might have helped him there?
Because I mean...no way can Vig claim before he's made his shot there or they just RB him all game. So he might have gotten a mislynch off on D2? Of course he's 100% dead unless they guess that they got the RB right because Vig probably just shoots him then.
I guess the question then comes down to whether you better value an extra mislynch and a sort-of wasted Vig shot (that is to say a Vig shot on a guy who is 100% dead either way) or a guaranteed doc kill.
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GG all. Was a fun game. Nice pocket prp. :D
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Also shoutout to town for pointing me in the right direction with prp.
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On May 11 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
I mean, of course he claimed doctor so they could get the counter claim and kill doctor at night.
But in a game where no blue has claimed yet, he could have claimed cop or vigilante, and the other blues wouldn't be able to tell if that was true or not. The lynch would probably go to another target, and some blues could slip after that fake claim, so it would help scum night actions...
meh
You mean, could have claimed cop or veteran (not vig; this game was doc/vig).
However, if I'm not mistaken, in this setup, cop fakeclaim effectively cc'd by vig, and vet fakeclaim cc'd by doc, because it's always one role from each pair. Prolly just going to temporarily catch some people who aren't paying attention to setup.
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On May 11 2015 06:43 Superbia wrote:
Also shoutout to town for pointing me in the right direction with prp.
Shoutout to you for getting an excellent shot on Stutters. Didn't have him read as a priority at all but BAM.
Although by the gods you were a stubborn bugger with your read on prp. Haha.
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