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On May 03 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. no. i'm not extremely confident he is town You would rather lynch Artanis than yamato77? lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all? I don't think its necessarily alignment indicative like as town or mafia he obviously wasn't going to get lynched there. I can see how people would be frustrrated because the long day phases coupled with the limited night kills kind of makes it feel like the game is moving along very slowly. Add ontop of that mine and I guess yamatos sub par activity levels when we are two of the most suspected i could see how a town artanis could just be frustrated here.
so frustrated someone thinking he could be scum is enough to throw a fit? you were in guardians with me. you think that's the same player?
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On May 03 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:
pretty certain palmar is town
pretty certain truffle is town
yamato is and has always felt like a policy lynch to me, tbh...y'all really think he was trying to lynch his scum mate who was probably a scum pr when the doc was still alive?
like, it's mean, but i don't think much about yamato's town game anyway; this level of bad doesn't seem outside his town play to me When you say they probably have a PR there is more of a chance that there is another goon OR a godfather which are both useless if they know we have a doc since damdy most likely got a save on you
lol why is there more of a chance for that?
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On May 03 2015 12:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:
pretty certain palmar is town
pretty certain truffle is town
yamato is and has always felt like a policy lynch to me, tbh...y'all really think he was trying to lynch his scum mate who was probably a scum pr when the doc was still alive?
like, it's mean, but i don't think much about yamato's town game anyway; this level of bad doesn't seem outside his town play to me When you say they probably have a PR there is more of a chance that there is another goon OR a godfather which are both useless if they know we have a doc since damdy most likely got a save on you lol why is there more of a chance for that?
scum role were randomised from the link hapa posted. The role that were there were Goon, roleblocker and godfather. Therefore 2/3 that it isnt a roleblocker. Also idk if scum care about their pr anymore sicne damdy made it fairly obvious he had a save on you considering how quickly i found it when i went back to look
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Yes, it's not martyring if the lynch isn't going to happen that day (on his target, someone else's target, or himself). I mean, sure I guess it's technically martyring, but you weren't being very open to listening to him. And with me out and no one else around, the day was clearly ending in a no lynch.
I don't think that scum would avoid bussing because of where the scum power role lies. That isn't very important at all. If for town, roles are merely an aid to normal gameplay, I don't see why this would change from a mafia perspective.
Also, the situation was three players in a lynch pool, with the only real other lynch being Palmar. If the scum team is in fact WaveofShadow and yamato77, and they pushed the lynch that day to mislynch Breshke, there's a fair chance that they would have been lynched in succession as a result.
Have I thought about Artanis being mafia? Of course. I haven't shared all of my reasons for Artanis being town, there is no need to, he isn't in danger of being lynched. But the fluidity of his reads, the sense that he's provided, and the genuine feeling to his posts all look really good to me. He behaves in a manner that is supported by the expected emotions and his character. And I really don't think that Artanis would push WaveofShadow there (without checking the context, it just doesn't feel necessary at all).
Could he be mafia? I suppose, maybe. But even this final push on yamato77 makes a lot of sense. I could see scum trying to change the lynch here, but the thing is that Artanis is actually backing it with good reasons and it feels very genuine to me. So that just looks even better to me. Artanis may be good at mafia, but I simply don't see him being mafia here, especially with Breshke and yamato77 looking this bad.
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On May 03 2015 12:15 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:14 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:
pretty certain palmar is town
pretty certain truffle is town
yamato is and has always felt like a policy lynch to me, tbh...y'all really think he was trying to lynch his scum mate who was probably a scum pr when the doc was still alive?
like, it's mean, but i don't think much about yamato's town game anyway; this level of bad doesn't seem outside his town play to me When you say they probably have a PR there is more of a chance that there is another goon OR a godfather which are both useless if they know we have a doc since damdy most likely got a save on you lol why is there more of a chance for that? scum role were randomised from the link hapa posted. The role that were there were Goon, roleblocker and godfather. Therefore 2/3 that it isnt a roleblocker. Also idk if scum care about their pr anymore sicne damdy made it fairly obvious he had a save on you considering how quickly i found it when i went back to look
yeah it was pretty obvious, and that is literally the best response anyone has given me so far, so thank you ^^
mmmm let me double-check. most hosts don't randomize without balancing scum/town hold on a sec
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On May 03 2015 12:13 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. no. i'm not extremely confident he is town You would rather lynch Artanis than yamato77? lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all? I don't think its necessarily alignment indicative like as town or mafia he obviously wasn't going to get lynched there. I can see how people would be frustrrated because the long day phases coupled with the limited night kills kind of makes it feel like the game is moving along very slowly. Add ontop of that mine and I guess yamatos sub par activity levels when we are two of the most suspected i could see how a town artanis could just be frustrated here. so frustrated someone thinking he could be scum is enough to throw a fit? you were in guardians with me. you think that's the same player?
Yeah but that game actually was developing and stuff with stuff going on if you get me. Also look at it this way.
If he was scum he isnt actually martying because why would he just throw like that
if he is town he might actually get himself lynched.
Idk how to explain it properly but like if he is actually martying it more likely makes him town but fuck having reads like that so its not alignment indicitve.
I get what you are saying though that he is a good player so he shouldnt of reacted like that but then look at it from the same point of view if he is mafia and a good player why would he react like that aswell?
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On May 03 2015 12:16 Trfel wrote:
Yes, it's not martyring if the lynch isn't going to happen that day (on his target, someone else's target, or himself). I mean, sure I guess it's technically martyring, but you weren't being very open to listening to him. And with me out and no one else around, the day was clearly ending in a no lynch.
I don't think that scum would avoid bussing because of where the scum power role lies. That isn't very important at all. If for town, roles are merely an aid to normal gameplay, I don't see why this would change from a mafia perspective.
Also, the situation was three players in a lynch pool, with the only real other lynch being Palmar. If the scum team is in fact WaveofShadow and yamato77, and they pushed the lynch that day to mislynch Breshke, there's a fair chance that they would have been lynched in succession as a result.
Have I thought about Artanis being mafia? Of course. I haven't shared all of my reasons for Artanis being town, there is no need to, he isn't in danger of being lynched. But the fluidity of his reads, the sense that he's provided, and the genuine feeling to his posts all look really good to me. He behaves in a manner that is supported by the expected emotions and his character. And I really don't think that Artanis would push WaveofShadow there (without checking the context, it just doesn't feel necessary at all).
Could he be mafia? I suppose, maybe. But even this final push on yamato77 makes a lot of sense. I could see scum trying to change the lynch here, but the thing is that Artanis is actually backing it with good reasons and it feels very genuine to me. So that just looks even better to me. Artanis may be good at mafia, but I simply don't see him being mafia here, especially with Breshke and yamato77 looking this bad.
they weren't good reasons. they were okay reasons
and i was willing to listen to him obviously. read it again
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On May 03 2015 12:19 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. no. i'm not extremely confident he is town You would rather lynch Artanis than yamato77? lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all? I don't think its necessarily alignment indicative like as town or mafia he obviously wasn't going to get lynched there. I can see how people would be frustrrated because the long day phases coupled with the limited night kills kind of makes it feel like the game is moving along very slowly. Add ontop of that mine and I guess yamatos sub par activity levels when we are two of the most suspected i could see how a town artanis could just be frustrated here. so frustrated someone thinking he could be scum is enough to throw a fit? you were in guardians with me. you think that's the same player? Yeah but that game actually was developing and stuff with stuff going on if you get me. Also look at it this way. If he was scum he isnt actually martying because why would he just throw like that if he is town he might actually get himself lynched. Idk how to explain it properly but like if he is actually martying it more likely makes him town but fuck having reads like that so its not alignment indicitve. I get what you are saying though that he is a good player so he shouldnt of reacted like that but then look at it from the same point of view if he is mafia and a good player why would he react like that aswell?
bluffing xP is a hell of a lot easier than simply supporting his position
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On May 03 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:19 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. no. i'm not extremely confident he is town You would rather lynch Artanis than yamato77? lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all? I don't think its necessarily alignment indicative like as town or mafia he obviously wasn't going to get lynched there. I can see how people would be frustrrated because the long day phases coupled with the limited night kills kind of makes it feel like the game is moving along very slowly. Add ontop of that mine and I guess yamatos sub par activity levels when we are two of the most suspected i could see how a town artanis could just be frustrated here. so frustrated someone thinking he could be scum is enough to throw a fit? you were in guardians with me. you think that's the same player? Yeah but that game actually was developing and stuff with stuff going on if you get me. Also look at it this way. If he was scum he isnt actually martying because why would he just throw like that if he is town he might actually get himself lynched. Idk how to explain it properly but like if he is actually martying it more likely makes him town but fuck having reads like that so its not alignment indicitve. I get what you are saying though that he is a good player so he shouldnt of reacted like that but then look at it from the same point of view if he is mafia and a good player why would he react like that aswell? bluffing xP is a hell of a lot easier than simply supporting his position
Yeah but just lynching me then lynching yamato tomorrow (if he were scum0 is even easier than bluffing haha
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by the way im sure you found it but
The Setup:
[list][*]Six Vanilla Townies + One Blue Role vs. Two Mafia
[*]The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated.
I assume that means randomed from the list he later linked
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On May 03 2015 12:22 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:19 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. no. i'm not extremely confident he is town You would rather lynch Artanis than yamato77? lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all? I don't think its necessarily alignment indicative like as town or mafia he obviously wasn't going to get lynched there. I can see how people would be frustrrated because the long day phases coupled with the limited night kills kind of makes it feel like the game is moving along very slowly. Add ontop of that mine and I guess yamatos sub par activity levels when we are two of the most suspected i could see how a town artanis could just be frustrated here. so frustrated someone thinking he could be scum is enough to throw a fit? you were in guardians with me. you think that's the same player? Yeah but that game actually was developing and stuff with stuff going on if you get me. Also look at it this way. If he was scum he isnt actually martying because why would he just throw like that if he is town he might actually get himself lynched. Idk how to explain it properly but like if he is actually martying it more likely makes him town but fuck having reads like that so its not alignment indicitve. I get what you are saying though that he is a good player so he shouldnt of reacted like that but then look at it from the same point of view if he is mafia and a good player why would he react like that aswell? bluffing xP is a hell of a lot easier than simply supporting his position Yeah but just lynching me then lynching yamato tomorrow (if he were scum0 is even easier than bluffing haha
lol true :/ not entirely relevant since he only "martyred" after i started questioning him, but technically true
hrum okay so it looks like the roles are randomized according to the OP, but the most compelling reason is simply that damdy was obvious...i'll think about it
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On May 03 2015 12:23 Breshke wrote:by the way im sure you found it but Show nested quote +
The Setup:
[list][*]Six Vanilla Townies + One Blue Role vs. Two Mafia
[*]The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated. I assume that means randomed from the list he later linked
yeah just found it
kinda makes it a little less likely there are two goons, actually, but not significantly so. and damdy's reaction to me could have been a check as much as a save...so it's probably not worth speculating about tbh
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On May 03 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:23 Breshke wrote:by the way im sure you found it but
The Setup:
[list][*]Six Vanilla Townies + One Blue Role vs. Two Mafia
[*]The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated.I assume that means randomed from the list he later linked yeah just found it kinda makes it a little less likely there are two goons, actually, but not significantly so. and damdy's reaction to me could have been a check as much as a save...so it's probably not worth speculating about tbh
Yeah but mafia would know because if they held their shot he is a cop if they didnt he was a doc. so mafia knew
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by that i mean, scum thinking damdy is doc/blue is not the same as knowing it, so if they had a counter in an rb/gf then they'd still probably want to keep it lol >< but again we can't be certain that they did or that they didn't try to shoot me night 1 so there are just too many unknowns to draw real conclusions on it from
meh -_- yamato just kinda does this as town, though. can y'all demonstrate why this time it's more scummy than any other time? i can go through old games and stuff but i'm kinda busy for that and y'all are the ones so certain he's scum, so the burden of proof is kinda on you
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On May 03 2015 12:30 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:23 Breshke wrote:by the way im sure you found it but
The Setup:
[list][*]Six Vanilla Townies + One Blue Role vs. Two Mafia
[*]The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated.I assume that means randomed from the list he later linked yeah just found it kinda makes it a little less likely there are two goons, actually, but not significantly so. and damdy's reaction to me could have been a check as much as a save...so it's probably not worth speculating about tbh Yeah but mafia would know because if they held their shot he is a cop if they didnt he was a doc. so mafia knew
not really? they could hold their shot and he still be a doc
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On April 21 2015 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
All confirmed.
A couple of tidbits before we start:
2) No night actions will be notified (i.e. roleblocks, saves, etc.).
Good luck, have fun!
^ Damdy couldn't have known if he successfully saved me or not, because no one gets notifications.
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On May 03 2015 12:34 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:30 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:23 Breshke wrote:by the way im sure you found it but
The Setup:
[list][*]Six Vanilla Townies + One Blue Role vs. Two Mafia
[*]The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated.I assume that means randomed from the list he later linked yeah just found it kinda makes it a little less likely there are two goons, actually, but not significantly so. and damdy's reaction to me could have been a check as much as a save...so it's probably not worth speculating about tbh Yeah but mafia would know because if they held their shot he is a cop if they didnt he was a doc. so mafia knew not really? they could hold their shot and he still be a doc
I guess but then you have to argue that they picked up on damdreds soft without actually having the information that KP was put on you which no one seemed to do other than yourself.
Rso do you really think art is scum? Other than this martyr thing is their other reasons?
I'm starting to egt to the point where I really don't think palmar bussed, i dont think trfel is mafia you are confirmed and im also quite certain art is town so ill be happy to be lynched then for yamato to be lynched but if you have other reasons for art on why he could be scum id like to hear them.
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On May 03 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:34 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:30 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:23 Breshke wrote:by the way im sure you found it but
The Setup:
[list][*]Six Vanilla Townies + One Blue Role vs. Two Mafia
[*]The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated.I assume that means randomed from the list he later linked yeah just found it kinda makes it a little less likely there are two goons, actually, but not significantly so. and damdy's reaction to me could have been a check as much as a save...so it's probably not worth speculating about tbh Yeah but mafia would know because if they held their shot he is a cop if they didnt he was a doc. so mafia knew not really? they could hold their shot and he still be a doc I guess but then you have to argue that they picked up on damdreds soft without actually having the information that KP was put on you which no one seemed to do other than yourself. Rso do you really think art is scum? Other than this martyr thing is their other reasons? I'm starting to egt to the point where I really don't think palmar bussed, i dont think trfel is mafia you are confirmed and im also quite certain art is town so ill be happy to be lynched then for yamato to be lynched but if you have other reasons for art on why he could be scum id like to hear them.
meh it's a feeling and with the number of feelings i've gotten about different people this game i know how little that matters...but the reason i first started questioning him was he was pretty blase between the two of you earlier, goes out to a concert allegedly and has a revelation on the way home that has him 95% convinced that yamato is scum?
and that revelation is basically just...it's much more likely wave townread you as town and scumread his partner as scum than the other way around? :/ it's just the sort of thing that really doesn't merit that strong a conviction imo
i get what you're saying...if we lynch you and you're town we're right back at looking at yamato and wave...so say you're scum with wave, right, and you two lynch yamato and he's town, we're right back at looking at the two of you for the lynch again...i dunnae. like yamato gets no cred for voting his counterwagon. none. wave would have if yamato were scum
okay now i'm talking myself into it lol >< it presumes that scum is only within you three, but if there's two mislynches left and poe has two of the scum in it, wave is more townread and benefits more from pushing a scum lynch than a mislynch
okay. let's do this then
##unvote
##vote yamato
but it all falls apart if scum isn't within the three of you, so that doesn't clear artanis, to be clear, and i'm still not comfortable with his reaction tonight -_-
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lol >< actually i can see why he might get frustrated with me -swt- as town lol
apparently i need to talk things out to myself before they make sense -_- if yamato isn't scum though artie definitely needs to be revisited; just saying
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You have to also remember that artanis was town reading me for most of the game so that would also help with the revelation he had so it is less out of nowhere.
do you have reasons for thinking is artanis is scum?
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