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On April 30 2015 19:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 19:22 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 19:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:
I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia. On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Cunkvma.gif) ?? You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that.
yes because i expect my reads this game to be fucking retarded
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On April 30 2015 19:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 19:41 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 19:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 19:22 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 19:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 10:18 Trfel wrote:
I need to look again to see if this makes Artanis confirmed town, but I don't think that it does. It does look extremely good for him, despite all of the earlier reasons I had to townread him, but I suppose he could do this as mafia. On April 30 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD
That leaves me with art and palmar ?? You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that. yes because i expect my reads this game to be fucking retarded Don't just say that your reads are bad, go and do some analysis as to why I'd be saying this. It doesn't feel like you're trying to discern alignments in a critical manner at all.
you right
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On April 23 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.
Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that. lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too? I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons. i've given reasons several times. if you're ignoring them, that's on you Several times? This is the only one I can find ctrl-f'ing truffle in your filter. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
He scum read Trfel.
And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town  (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I dunno I guess maybe i should appreciate your 100 percent correct t rate on Trfel but it's a pretty nebulous read/concept for me to have to accept in a game based in cases/evidence. if you don't like meta and you don't like tone i'm kinda wasting my time detailing it anyway, with the added issue of perhaps alerting truffle to what the red flags in his play are when he's scum/3rd party... i don't mind going more in depth, but if you just look at his play here you see the effort he's been putting in (sporadically, but still) coupled with an almost carelessness about how others read his actions...the voting gooberliness, mainly plus i think it's actually quite townie for someone to go...hey guys i'm writing a case on x...oh nevermind there's really not anything there that definitively makes x scum Which I guess I can work with. He's only played one scumgame according to the DB so far though (Student) where he got copchecked as scum on D2. Not much to work with, especially since I coached him that game and gave him a bunch of tips I'd expect him to incorporate into his play.
Art can you explain the bolded to me. Was this a weakening of your scumread on trfel or were you just saying you could see how rso townread him because of this but still disagreed.
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On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much.
Damdred's Trfel case is bad. Doubt is a town trait for Trfel. What I'm more worried about is that he artifically inserted doubt when I pointed out how his read on me was too strong for his normal towngame, and thus became more doubtful in general.
What's stopping me from going full yolo on a Trfel lynch is that he feels very reasonable. He keeps re-evaluating me (even though I don't understand at all how he comes to his conclusions, on me at least) and seems to be very fluid in his reads, which is something that's very difficult as scum.
I think I want to lynch Palmar today. Trfel said he's been trolling, but I feel like Palmar hasn't really trolled as much as not giving a shit. He's pushed Wave mostly without much reasoning and has just not given a lot of shits about anything else. He made this one terrible list post that didn't have any reasons which Marv once told me is a hallmark of his scumgame (and he hasn't posted any reads lists as town since Imperial whilst he has as scum). His 'town meta' of not doing anything is easily replicable as scum. He's been townread for it before, I see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to replicate it as town.
There's no reason to read Palmar as town, his unsubstantiated reads list is scummy and he hasn't truly trolled in a way that causes people to rise up against him. It's been calculated play.
##Vote Palmar
art this post here the bolded.
Could you explain how you didn't understand how he came to the conclusions he did in his reads yet you still thought they were fluid?
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On April 28 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Remind me why we're not lynching trfel again When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato. I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game. ##Vote WaveOfShadow
This might be hard to answer but at this point of the game you were scumreading palmar for the way he was treating wave/yamato then when you asked him to expand on his read on wave you further looked into it yourself and started to find reasons to scumread wave.
Did this change your opinions on palmars alignment?
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There is not much worse than losing a post halfway through typing it
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I really like arts early stuff.
First of all was our mindmeld moment on rsoul early. I also liked this because when he asked me about her alighnment he instantly had has own answer which makes me more likely think that he was asking the question to actually try discern my alignment not to just post stuff.
Second his push on trfel. At first he was fairly annoyed that no one except wave had commented on it which lines up with a townie who is trying to post less/spend less time on the game as he doesn't have the resources to direct people to his posts and actually make them comment on it.
Thirdly he admits to the weak reasons for lynching BH which were that he didn't really know about his alignment but he was reading most other people as town and with BH playing as he did he would probably lynch him eventually. I am fairly certain this is basically the reason most of us lynched him yet people seem to forget that and see it as scummy looking back on it. Also even when the lynch was all but decided art was looking through BH's filter and producing posts like the one below which show even at that time he was trying to work out BH's allighnment.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2015 08:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:meh >< i kinda hate this cause people asking me about tone/meta reads is not something i'm good at explaining. i kept yelling at people to lynch rayn in guardians but my explanation wasn't good enough for anyone xP naturally he was scum nnnnnn so when i think of town truffle i think of a truffle who is not afraid of how he looks - silly votes on artie and unvoting to become the hammer vote on bh when i think of town truffle, i think of a truffle whose reads tend to change a lot until he starts tunneling - the read progressions on you and yamato that you both found "odd"...example of tunneling would be tere >< when i think of town truffle, i think of a sarcastic twit lol >< - this is where i started townreading him: On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.
Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.
when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want! I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town, lol >< the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP oh yes, it was amazing, truffle -golf claps- Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why! In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far? when i think of a town truffle, i think of a devil's advocate, much like breshke - there are several instances where he argued the opposite point of view as a possibility, if not necessarily what he himself believed ^ that is what makes up my read on a town truffle, and i don't know how to make that helpful to the rest of the thread. i've been very successful with it Need to think this over, but since the only choice is between no lynching and lynching BH for today that can wait for a sec. There's this sequence of posts of BH where he complains about people calling his case a narrative, then follows it up by asking what a "narrative" is. He does put it under quotations suggesting he meant the way we use the word, but I still find it odd he refers to it as something where he knows what it is first, then suddenly doesn't know. + Show Spoiler [posts] +On April 23 2015 00:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Complain about context or narratives all you want, Damdred has never shown a shred of town motivation or logic yo his read progression. If my truth is too much for you then lynch me and behold the spectacle of your incompetence. I suppose the time when one could only be available for five hours per day have passed, even though I have possibly written and thought about this game more than everyone else. I will not bow to your disgusting threats. I will not be coerced into becoming something worse for your twisted ideals.
If I'm alive when I get home I'll save us all. Otherwise, should I die for your ignorance, I will view the departure with as much relief as disgust. On April 23 2015 00:27 Blazinghand wrote:
what's a "narrative"
wtf
it's a post by post analysis, of course it's "narrative", I'm literally narrating what the dude did, how is that even an objection to it. that's like saying "it's a case" therefore it's bad
He also townreads rso for similar reasons that he at one point townread trfel for which is fluidity of his reads. While it isn't a shining beacon of towniness it does kind of show to me that he has a consistency in his reads that i think is easier to achieve as town than as scum.
I also think arts scumread of palmar is very insightful especially given the fact that wave has flipped scum. The two inital posts are in the spoiler below.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2015 07:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game. Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at? Hm, I did explain exactly what caused my read to change each time. But I pointed out that you didn't. You gave two reasons to townread me, then proceeded to say I was null for things you had noticed and pointed out before. + Show Spoiler [Initial case] +On April 23 2015 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can anyone concisely explain why they're suspicious of me other than not posting as much which I've already mentioned I would pregame and have done in the last game I've played as well (and flipped town in but is ongoing so shh)? your contributions don't impress me ^^ what's more valuable is you doing the work you'd said you'd do on truffle so i can get a better read on you i don't care if you're posting less. that's whatever. what i do expect, though, if you've decided to post less is higher quality posting The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though. Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me: Show nested quote +Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town. So at this point he feels I'm likely town. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
talk to me about artie and damdy -flops on- or about part of my list you disagree with
artie just seems...i dunnae, like people keep saying he's doing stuff but off the top of my head i can't really recall what aside from being charitable about my negative toneread on his entrance vote xP Yeah, in retrospect, Artanis hasn't been doing as much as I thought. What he has been doing, though, has been in the right direction. I'm not sure how much of this is due to his post count restriction, and how much of it is due to my annoying him yesterday.Damdred's tone looks really good for him here. And while some of the things he is doing seem strange, I don't see the mafia motivation, and he has seemingly tried to get more information into the thread. I don't think that he is scum. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
He scum read Trfel.
And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I think that Artanis's scumread of me actually looks good for him. He makes a good point, and that's the sort of read that I expect from him. Would he do that as mafia? Not sure, but I think that he knows that he won't mislynch me this game (or at least, he will need much more evidence first). I'm still leaning town on Artanis, though is absence is concerning me. Does he agree with the Blazinghand wagon? If not, he should be here and trying to stop it. At the time of his last post, there were four votes on Blazinghand. If anything looks suspicious, that is it. He doesn't care if Blazinghand is lynched or not. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him). Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
I take it back, I just have terrible reading comprehension.
Artanis did comment on Blazinghand, first not convinced that he was scum due to his case, and then felt that it was an okay lynch due to the followup. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.
It isn't a very large or amazing amount of information on Blazinghand, but I suppose I can see it from the perspective who sees an okay lynch, but also sees everyone ignoring what is (in his opinion) a better lynch. Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'
Gj
Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum. I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though. mmm or maybe just benching the read for later? okay i guess i can give artie some space to see what comes of this It seemed to me that Artanis would be back later to finish his read on me. Artanis is sort of null, I suppose, given both his semi-weak stance on Blazinghand and not having the thread leadership that I thought he did at a glance.I expect scum to be among Artanis, yamato77, and maybe Breshke, even though I can't demonstrate that any of them are clear scum yet. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all. On another note, I think I might also want to lynch Palmar for voting for Yamato when Wave was his top suspect, and he suspected Yamato for the way he treated Wave's case rather than going after Wave himself. He also never really re-evaled Wave. Palmar's tone is always pretty confident these days I find, so I don't want to clear him for that in retrospect. Also a case of other people being townier. On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case.
Not everything was great though and there were a few things i disliked
Firstly there was his first unvote of palmar
On April 25 2015 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Unvote
Palmar reacted pretty much exactly how I'd expect Town!Palmar to reply. Uncompromising and in your face whilst still doing stuff.
Need to think about Yamato.
This seemed odly timed as yes artanis had been pressuring him but palmar has responded to all his pressure and was then interacting with others while art commented on other stuff and then this post came many hours later. It feels like it was kind of out of the blue since it was not right after the pressure that this was posted but many hours later.
Another problem was this post here specifically the bolded.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game.Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at?
He is saying that he scumreads trfel because he does not say what made him change his mind yet ealier in response to one of my questions artanis said that he townread trfel for fluidity in his reads even though he did not understand he he reached thos conclusions. These two statements seem to contradict each other.
CONCLUSION I think artanis is town even though I have some problems with his play I think the palmar thing is negligeable since he picks the scum read back up later for legit reasons and weighing the inconsistency in his trfel read with all the reasons I have to town read him I find myself fairly confident that he is town
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On April 30 2015 21:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Breshke The reason why my unvote was later was because I wanted to wait to see if anyone else wanted to do anything with Palmar. Though I thought he responded exactly as I expected a Town Palmar would do, I wasn't 100% convinced on him and was hoping someone else would try and pressure him a bit. When that didn't happen, I aborted.
I explained the Trfel thing. If you don't like it that's ok I guess.
Also, I feel you're missing one important piece in that I had the option to lynch Yamato over Wave but didn't. You could argue that I could do this as scum to gain cred, but Rsoultin basically gave me a free out saying it doesn't really matter whom we lynch between Yama/Bresh/Wave and that she'd follow me. I had also positioned myself in a way that'd make switching to Yamato very credible, but didn't. I do wonder why you didn't consider this in your analysis.
Palmar thing makes sence as i already said it wasn't really concerning me anyway.
The trrfel thing i get your explanation kinda I just feel like there is still a bit of a contradiction.
This last bit I didn't really include much from the later stage in the game asthere was a few posts in this part were about me and I feel i have nothing useful to say about those posts . IDK why I didn't consider this part of your play but I just didn't really look to much into that part as it giot weird for me idk? Was probs a mistake
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On April 30 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't think I'll be there at deadline and I'm gonna be gone for a large section of the day so I prefer to lynch tomorrow. Breshke, I'd like you to comment on people you actually think are/could be scum though. I also am not really impressed with your analysis on me. It feels like you're trying to instill some doubt in there so you could backtrack if thread sentiment changes even though you don't really have any reason to do so, and it feels a bit like you're just going through the motions.
Let me be clear all the things i didnt like are engligable. I wont be lynching you this cycle
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Ill also be looking at more people but like one person at a time and not tonight
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On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game.
Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore?
What do you think i didn't think about critically?
Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me.
At least im meeting palmars expectations
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On April 30 2015 22:30 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations i don't really like you for your last post -_- but whatever who should we lynch?
Wtf did you start liking me for then because between that post and from when you last said you ddint like me ive done fuck all.
at this stage my default answer is palmar but i wont be voting for him until I look into him which ill be doing tomorrow.
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On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more.
So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom.
How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me.
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On April 30 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
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breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar
##vote Palmar
which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but
lol wth is that last bit? ><
Rso im confused but for clarity in this post why did you think I was looking better today
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On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped.
I was convinced though so your point is invalid.
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On April 30 2015 22:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:50 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid. You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall.
Because the next cycle if we don't lynch scum is 5 player lylo im not going to say im never lynching you because ill obviously relook at things I can see how this could look like I wasn't making a solid conclusion but it's just me not wanting to give a definitive thing which thinking about it is fairy scummy.
I think ill go to bed.
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On May 01 2015 06:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 22:56 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:50 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.
I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid. You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall. Because the next cycle if we don't lynch scum is 5 player lylo im not going to say im never lynching you because ill obviously relook at things I can see how this could look like I wasn't making a solid conclusion but it's just me not wanting to give a definitive thing which thinking about it is fairy scummy. I think ill go to bed. also explain this -_- and no one but breshke, guys
Have you read hapas message about kp? My understanding is they could have literally stored their kp forever then just killed like 3 or 4 people in ome night.
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On May 01 2015 06:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote:On May 01 2015 06:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 30 2015 22:56 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:50 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:42 Breshke wrote:On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 30 2015 22:29 Breshke wrote:
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Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore?
What do you think i didn't think about critically?
Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me.
At least im meeting palmars expectations Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid. You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall. Because the next cycle if we don't lynch scum is 5 player lylo im not going to say im never lynching you because ill obviously relook at things I can see how this could look like I wasn't making a solid conclusion but it's just me not wanting to give a definitive thing which thinking about it is fairy scummy. I think ill go to bed. also explain this -_- and no one but breshke, guys Have you read hapas message about kp? My understanding is they could have literally stored their kp forever then just killed like 3 or 4 people in ome night. lol yes i'm aware i just find it immensely interesting that you can say i'm all but confirmed by damdred flipping doctor...then say that it will be 5 player lylo as if there is no question whatsoever, because in order for it to be 5-player lylo we'd have to mislynch today and scum would have to save their kp and not shoot tonight...which is already a big assumption...but add on to that the assumption that we're still missing kp from night 1? which assumes that damdred was not successful in getting a save either night that's a heck of a lot of assumptions rolled into a definitive statement, and you're not the type like obviously if damdred didn't save me night 1 i'm not confirmed at all xP in fact i'm not confirmed anyway. my being saved by damdred is just one possible explanation for missing kp. clearly you're aware of that when you said it was 5 player lylo
Yeah I am. I also dont think scum didnt no kill N1 because if im rightthey didnt know what PR we had so ee could of had a cop so they needed to try kill the pr
You still arnt understanding. They dont have to save their kp from N1 for us to go to 5 player mylo all they need to do is save next nights kp. I also think that thry dont have to kill you just because you are confirmed enough that noone is ever going to kill you.
Its funny that you actually seem to think this was some sort of scumslip
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My internet is fucked and wont be fixed until tonight or tomorrow morning wont really be doing much here until then
Sorry for delays
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On April 23 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote:On April 22 2015 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2015 23:28 Palmar wrote:On April 22 2015 21:18 Breshke wrote:
Palmar you are obviously ignoring the context though. From what I understand the thrid vote in IML can be seen as safe for scum as they vote on a misslynch but arnt the creator of the push nor one of the hammers. Therefore one could say that scum might join a wagon at this time to blend into town while still getting the misslynch they need. So while WoS said the vote was safe he ment it was safe way for scum to try and secure a misslynch.
Yes a third vote in this type of instant misslynch is even safer but in context it doesn't move towards scums goal of getting a misslynch as a push that early is not likely to be sustained over a 24 hour period. So yes while you are strictly right that the vote was infact safer it can't be seen as pushing for a misslynch as much.
I don't even care about the context. He did something because of X Then it turns out X was even more right than he initially thought So he retracts because of X This makes no logical sense, thus he must be mafia. To be precises. He retracted NOT because of this new information he had gained. He retracted BECAUSE HE WANTED TO RETRACT and used this new information as an excuse to do so. Yeah palmar that's blatantly untrue, you're just as bad as BH inventing your own narrative for why I did what I did. Early votes in what barely amounts to an IML game aren't as indicative as those when every cote counts all the time. 'safety' isn't a factor when the votes 2h into a game generally don't mean shit. If safety isn't a factor why did you say breshke could be mafia for a safe vote? Also don't worry about it. These morons will never lynch you because reasons. lol wtf are you talking about? Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Of course I said safety is a factor, IF IT'S IML, OR the lynch is about to go down with some urgency. Breshke absolutely could have been mafia for a 'safe' vote in an IML game where I could have literally been lynched if any two other people decided to derp for shits and giggles. I've seen it happen. Safety is NOT a factor 2h into this game. How many votes are taken seriously 2h into a standard game? oh I get what you're saying. You're still mafia.
Palmar I don't get how your still pushing that wave was mafia for the "safe vote" comment thing when in this post you seemingly agree that that specific thing didn't make him mafia anymore
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