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On April 22 2015 23:28 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 21:18 Breshke wrote: Palmar you are obviously ignoring the context though. From what I understand the thrid vote in IML can be seen as safe for scum as they vote on a misslynch but arnt the creator of the push nor one of the hammers. Therefore one could say that scum might join a wagon at this time to blend into town while still getting the misslynch they need. So while WoS said the vote was safe he ment it was safe way for scum to try and secure a misslynch. Yes a third vote in this type of instant misslynch is even safer but in context it doesn't move towards scums goal of getting a misslynch as a push that early is not likely to be sustained over a 24 hour period. So yes while you are strictly right that the vote was infact safer it can't be seen as pushing for a misslynch as much. I don't even care about the context. He did something because of X Then it turns out X was even more right than he initially thought So he retracts because of X This makes no logical sense, thus he must be mafia. To be precises. He retracted NOT because of this new information he had gained. He retracted BECAUSE HE WANTED TO RETRACT and used this new information as an excuse to do so. Yeah palmar that's blatantly untrue, you're just as bad as BH inventing your own narrative for why I did what I did. Early votes in what barely amounts to an IML game aren't as indicative as those when every cote counts all the time. 'safety' isn't a factor when the votes 2h into a game generally don't mean shit. | ||
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Just go crawl back under your rock and come out when we're ready to lynch you. | ||
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I'm not getting hung up on wording but at the very least i know BH is capable of all sorts of play as either alignment. If I'm going to lynch him it's not going to be solely for stalling (despite his epic tech in call mafia). Assuming BH is scum think the other scum might be Trfel but I havent had a chance to flesh that out much. Artanis' read on him is OK but relies way too much on meta for my liking. | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:08 rsoultin wrote: okay, wave. vote bh with me i'm looking through filters, and i'll discuss anyone you want...even start with the people you're suspicious of...however i think you're fully aware that voting bh is not "solely" because he's stalling lol >< yes, he's stalling but he also wrote a giant-ass case with little-to-no original content, he's refused to talk about anything else, and he deliberately provoked me ^^ i've seen his town-game and this doesn't look like it he was similarly useless then, but not to this extent I do enjoy hammering. Gimme a bit to eat and we will discuss things. | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote: That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?' Gj Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum. I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though. I have a few things to say about him. Me and rsoul will talk. | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 22 2015 23:28 Palmar wrote: On April 22 2015 21:18 Breshke wrote: Palmar you are obviously ignoring the context though. From what I understand the thrid vote in IML can be seen as safe for scum as they vote on a misslynch but arnt the creator of the push nor one of the hammers. Therefore one could say that scum might join a wagon at this time to blend into town while still getting the misslynch they need. So while WoS said the vote was safe he ment it was safe way for scum to try and secure a misslynch. Yes a third vote in this type of instant misslynch is even safer but in context it doesn't move towards scums goal of getting a misslynch as a push that early is not likely to be sustained over a 24 hour period. So yes while you are strictly right that the vote was infact safer it can't be seen as pushing for a misslynch as much. I don't even care about the context. He did something because of X Then it turns out X was even more right than he initially thought So he retracts because of X This makes no logical sense, thus he must be mafia. To be precises. He retracted NOT because of this new information he had gained. He retracted BECAUSE HE WANTED TO RETRACT and used this new information as an excuse to do so. Yeah palmar that's blatantly untrue, you're just as bad as BH inventing your own narrative for why I did what I did. Early votes in what barely amounts to an IML game aren't as indicative as those when every cote counts all the time. 'safety' isn't a factor when the votes 2h into a game generally don't mean shit. If safety isn't a factor why did you say breshke could be mafia for a safe vote? Also don't worry about it. These morons will never lynch you because reasons. lol wtf are you talking about? Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Of course I said safety is a factor, IF IT'S IML, OR the lynch is about to go down with some urgency. Breshke absolutely could have been mafia for a 'safe' vote in an IML game where I could have literally been lynched if any two other people decided to derp for shits and giggles. I've seen it happen. Safety is NOT a factor 2h into this game. How many votes are taken seriously 2h into a standard game? | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote: I wonder if I should just pop in occasionally to remind people WoS is mafia and do nothing else. That's already what you're doing, your 'case' is shit and I'm not wasting any more time on you. If you feel like actually playing the game then you're welcome to join us. | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:31 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2015 00:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It means you're just pointing out things and creating a story behind why it makes him scum when it's just as possible to create a story behind it from a town perspective. so whenever anyone says "narrative", they're just saying I'm wrong without explaining why or using specifics. kk Not true. It's just exceedingly simply to go through someone's filter post-by-post and say whatever you want about them to spin things in a specific light. My issue with you isn't even that specifically, I find that alignment non-indicative. My issue is the fact that you haven't read the thread and took everything damdred did completely out of context. | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2015 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 23 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote: I wonder if I should just pop in occasionally to remind people WoS is mafia and do nothing else. That's already what you're doing, your 'case' is shit and I'm not wasting any more time on you. If you feel like actually playing the game then you're welcome to join us. I am playing the game. Please stop antagonizing me it's really annoying. You first. | ||
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If you call popping into the thread every 12h screaming 'wave is mafia guise' playing the game then by all means, continue as you've stated here. On April 23 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote: I wonder if I should just pop in occasionally to remind people WoS is mafia and do nothing else. As far as your alignment goes, I've already stated you're probably town for being like this specifically but I haven't ever been particularly good at reading you with meta or without. In any case, as terribly as you're playing there are people scummier than you thus far despite your inclination to do nothing this game other than yell at everyone how scum I am, so don't worry. | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:38 Palmar wrote: I could be wrong you know? There's no need to be a dick about it if I am. Although your responses of complete dismissal, instead of actually using me building a case on you to investigate my alignment, make you look even worse than what I said during my case. Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote: You want someone to pressure into playing? There's your perfect example. ##vote:palmar I fucking hate this. Even if I lose a million games because people keep playing like him I still refuse to condone it. Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote: That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?' Gj Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? Show nested quote + On April 23 2015 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 23 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote: I wonder if I should just pop in occasionally to remind people WoS is mafia and do nothing else. That's already what you're doing, your 'case' is shit and I'm not wasting any more time on you. If you feel like actually playing the game then you're welcome to join us. I don't think I'm being a dick in the slightest. I haven't attacked you personally, I've attacked your play. There are how many other people in this game Palmar? Even IF I'm scum, that doesn't solve the game, and there's stuff to be done, but you're stuck tunneling on me here, not contributing to any other conversation and not finding other scum. How is that good play exactly? I will retract my statements about your afking/barely playing if you actually show you're capable of doing something mroe but so far I don't see it. | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:39 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2015 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote: You've barely done anything, and what little you have done has been shit. If you call popping into the thread every 12h screaming 'wave is mafia guise' playing the game then by all means, continue as you've stated here. On April 23 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote: I wonder if I should just pop in occasionally to remind people WoS is mafia and do nothing else. As far as your alignment goes, I've already stated you're probably town for being like this specifically but I haven't ever been particularly good at reading you with meta or without. In any case, as terribly as you're playing there are people scummier than you thus far despite your inclination to do nothing this game other than yell at everyone how scum I am, so don't worry. Who's mafia then? Right now I have BH and maybe Trfel. Who's second scum Palmar? | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:41 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2015 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 23 2015 00:38 Palmar wrote: I could be wrong you know? There's no need to be a dick about it if I am. Although your responses of complete dismissal, instead of actually using me building a case on you to investigate my alignment, make you look even worse than what I said during my case. On April 22 2015 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote: You want someone to pressure into playing? There's your perfect example. ##vote:palmar I fucking hate this. Even if I lose a million games because people keep playing like him I still refuse to condone it. On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote: That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?' Gj Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? On April 23 2015 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 23 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote: I wonder if I should just pop in occasionally to remind people WoS is mafia and do nothing else. That's already what you're doing, your 'case' is shit and I'm not wasting any more time on you. If you feel like actually playing the game then you're welcome to join us. I don't think I'm being a dick in the slightest. I haven't attacked you personally, I've attacked your play. There are how many other people in this game Palmar? Even IF I'm scum, that doesn't solve the game, and there's stuff to be done, but you're stuck tunneling on me here, not contributing to any other conversation and not finding other scum. How is that good play exactly? I will retract my statements about your afking/barely playing if you actually show you're capable of doing something mroe but so far I don't see it. It's good play because you're mafia ![]() See and if this is what I get from you we're done here. | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:08 rsoultin wrote: okay, wave. vote bh with me i'm looking through filters, and i'll discuss anyone you want...even start with the people you're suspicious of...however i think you're fully aware that voting bh is not "solely" because he's stalling lol >< yes, he's stalling but he also wrote a giant-ass case with little-to-no original content, he's refused to talk about anything else, and he deliberately provoked me ^^ i've seen his town-game and this doesn't look like it he was similarly useless then, but not to this extent Speaking of deliberately provoking...anyway. You have a townread on Trfel currently, yes? How does it jive with Artanis' read and these things here? On April 22 2015 04:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 04:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 22 2015 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 22 2015 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hm, I can see what you're saying Wave. Looking back I do feel like he's pulling a bit of a character though, which leads me to believe the confidence thing isn't really alignment indicative in this case. Same thing as per to rsoultin above; no stick in meta reads so that's all the same to me. Is it weird that I've come to expect Palmar being Palmar and was curious as to you prodding him for vote reasoning? Palmar seemed to suggest he did have a reason for voting you, so getting it out seems like a good idea. I'm surprised you got anything tbh. And yeah I dunno if I see anything scummy in Trfel's posting either although the question about you Artanis did look a little 'testing the waters' to me. On April 22 2015 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:49 Trfel wrote: On April 22 2015 07:44 WaveofShadow wrote: I was trying to put something into practice, to actually demonstrate it, instead of using words. Clearly that didn't actually get anything done.OK but what's your intent then? It's understandable not to want to lynch in the next hour or whatever, but was the whole point just to explain to damdred how poorly he's behaving? What is that supposed to accomplish? I've shown why I think Damdred's play is suspicious. And I do think that voting Artanis is bad at this time. I've already said why I think that his reaction to my pressure with yamato77 was towny. He's been focused and asking questions, getting information, getting discussion started. I'm not going to ignore that and lynch him because I disagree with one of his opinions, especially given the way he responded when questioned. I'm extremely surprised that Damdred would just lynch Artanis for this. Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 07:52 Damdred wrote: I think you put way to much importance on votes in this setup specifically. Nobody is getting lynched today Sooo yea No but that's exactly my point. The value of voting absolutely should not be devalued just because we've decided not to lynch today specifically. Trfel if you think someone is scummy you vote them, how long we have for discussion today isn't the primary focus. It looks extremely odd that you throw suspicion on damdred going so far as to vote him,and then when your 'point' doesn't come across you unvote him. If this were a regular game what would that appear to be? | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote: I guess I'll read some other people tonight. Wos is mafia though I'm like 63% sure I give you full credit for not saying 100% | ||
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