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On May 03 2015 09:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:41 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 03 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 03 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Just some paranoia on maybe Trfel or Palmar but eh, I find it quite unlikely they're scum. I just think Yamato is by far the most likely at this point and I'd rather lynch him today. see what i don't get really is that just thinking about it without putting more work into the thread, while you were off somewhere else, you came to such a strong opinion between the two who you think are most likely scum anyway that you refuse to consolidate on one over the other...when you did not have the same strong opinion before you left unless you were like really waffling on a third player this doesn't make a ton of sense to me -_- Because I thought about the game in the car and suddenly it all made sense. Is there a reason for scum Artanis to not just come back to hammer Breshke then prob lynch Yamato the day after? to make it look like scum Artanis cared about who was getting lynched? xP yes. obviously a lack of caring would by far be more suspicious Of course not. We lynch Breshke today, we're 99% lynching Yamato tomorrow. Be real here, seriously. lol xP then what's your problem? we're 99% lynching yamato tomorrow anyway, according to you except people have expressed doubt about you at various times xP palmar, myself, breshke, for sure Because you're being senselessly paranoid. There is absolutely no reason for me not to just vote breshke here as scum then try to lynch yamato. The fact that you actually think it makes any sense for me to do so as scum fuels my rage to enormous levels to the sense that if you're serious on this I demand you vote for me tomorrow, I'll vote for myself, I'm sure Yamato will cooperate and then Palmar gets to lynch me because he enjoys it and there we go.
xP
convince me that the evidence against yamato is really so compelling as to merit this sort of digging in the heels from you. you've bought at least another 24 hours, so you've plenty of time to do so. it's not senseless. if there's anyone i'm going to be wrong on my townread on, it's you
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On May 03 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:48 rsoultin wrote:
try-harding makes sense if you've a reasonable belief that there are more potential scum in the players remaining than lynches remaining. you haven't demonstrated that. you've come forth with an odd theory that mafia had no scum power roles
and unfortunately for you if you're scum, you're talking to one of the most try-hard, active scum players on the site xP who is 100% not going to take just the fact that you have an opinion as confirmation that you're town
i actually see very little reason for your stubbornness here, in this context
and as long as we're being frank, the strength of that "revelation" you posted that was primarily WIFOM does not mirror the strength of your conviction, which is even more concerning. that you reject out-of-hand the very real likelihood that there is a scum power role instead of considering it like you should...since there really is no way to know for sure and it is speculative, does not make me feel better about your return to the thread
i have to think -_- bah
can't work on my paper in peace lol >< You're trying to display that as town my thought process makes no sense when as scum my play makes faaaaaaaaar less sense. I lynch Breshke, we go to LYLO, Yamato still looks absolutely terrible, I post what I've posted today or something even better by that time and win the game. I 100% always take the Breshke lynch here. The very fact that you bring up I've been suspicious of him all the time makes it that much easier for me to get away with mislynching him here as scum. There's NO way I'd ever do that and if you actually think it's a realistic option I demand that you lynch me come next deadline. I'll cooperate.
i might -_- none of this actually means anything that you just wrote
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On May 03 2015 09:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
PS: The Town reason is that I didn't want to lynch a player I think is very likely town when there's someone that's very likely scum we can lynch today. That, and that way it takes 24-48 hours less for the game to end.
why breshke is town: go
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lol so you care enough to block the lynch today when you only have two people you realistically think could be scum, but not enough to push that conviction xP
okay artanis that makes sense ^^
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On May 03 2015 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:53 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 09:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
PS: The Town reason is that I didn't want to lynch a player I think is very likely town when there's someone that's very likely scum we can lynch today. That, and that way it takes 24-48 hours less for the game to end. why breshke is town: go Already posted. Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:
lol so you care enough to block the lynch today when you only have two people you realistically think could be scum, but not enough to push that conviction xP
okay artanis that makes sense ^^ Yup. If any town player is dumb enough to think I still have a realistic shot at being scum then their thought process is so messed up that town doesn't deserve to win.
lol it was very drive-by-shooting ^^ i also don't believe you're going to just get yourself lynched as town over this so pbbbbffft xP
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you literally decided to martyr simply because i expressed a suspicion that you might be scum. it doesn't line up. you want to vote for yourself? i'm happy to vote with you
if you honestly believe that anyone having the thought that you might be scum, that any one town player has such a thought, is so bad that the entire town should be punished, that's laughable. if you think this fit you're throwing is going to actually reduce my suspicions lol >< mr. record for not being mislynched is gonna martyr over someone saying he could be scum? highly, highly unlikely. and if you're actually town here, you're the one who deserves to lose for this juvenile behavior
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On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right.
no. i'm not extremely confident he is town
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On May 03 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. no. i'm not extremely confident he is town You would rather lynch Artanis than yamato77?
lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all?
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pretty certain palmar is town
pretty certain truffle is town
yamato is and has always felt like a policy lynch to me, tbh...y'all really think he was trying to lynch his scum mate who was probably a scum pr when the doc was still alive?
like, it's mean, but i don't think much about yamato's town game anyway; this level of bad doesn't seem outside his town play to me
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if it'll get you guys to think
and lord knows i could be wrong -_- and just doing my usual allergic to plynches thing...i will lynch yamato to end the day but i'm really not convinced that he's scum
artanis' play doesn't make sense to me and continues to not make sense to me. his reaction to simple suspicion instead of working with me is terrible. i am not under the impression that he is a terrible player. i am not under the impression that he is willing to throw away his record for something this silly
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On May 03 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. no. i'm not extremely confident he is town You would rather lynch Artanis than yamato77? lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all? I don't think its necessarily alignment indicative like as town or mafia he obviously wasn't going to get lynched there. I can see how people would be frustrrated because the long day phases coupled with the limited night kills kind of makes it feel like the game is moving along very slowly. Add ontop of that mine and I guess yamatos sub par activity levels when we are two of the most suspected i could see how a town artanis could just be frustrated here.
so frustrated someone thinking he could be scum is enough to throw a fit? you were in guardians with me. you think that's the same player?
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On May 03 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:
pretty certain palmar is town
pretty certain truffle is town
yamato is and has always felt like a policy lynch to me, tbh...y'all really think he was trying to lynch his scum mate who was probably a scum pr when the doc was still alive?
like, it's mean, but i don't think much about yamato's town game anyway; this level of bad doesn't seem outside his town play to me When you say they probably have a PR there is more of a chance that there is another goon OR a godfather which are both useless if they know we have a doc since damdy most likely got a save on you
lol why is there more of a chance for that?
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On May 03 2015 12:15 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:14 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:
pretty certain palmar is town
pretty certain truffle is town
yamato is and has always felt like a policy lynch to me, tbh...y'all really think he was trying to lynch his scum mate who was probably a scum pr when the doc was still alive?
like, it's mean, but i don't think much about yamato's town game anyway; this level of bad doesn't seem outside his town play to me When you say they probably have a PR there is more of a chance that there is another goon OR a godfather which are both useless if they know we have a doc since damdy most likely got a save on you lol why is there more of a chance for that? scum role were randomised from the link hapa posted. The role that were there were Goon, roleblocker and godfather. Therefore 2/3 that it isnt a roleblocker. Also idk if scum care about their pr anymore sicne damdy made it fairly obvious he had a save on you considering how quickly i found it when i went back to look
yeah it was pretty obvious, and that is literally the best response anyone has given me so far, so thank you ^^
mmmm let me double-check. most hosts don't randomize without balancing scum/town hold on a sec
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On May 03 2015 12:16 Trfel wrote:
Yes, it's not martyring if the lynch isn't going to happen that day (on his target, someone else's target, or himself). I mean, sure I guess it's technically martyring, but you weren't being very open to listening to him. And with me out and no one else around, the day was clearly ending in a no lynch.
I don't think that scum would avoid bussing because of where the scum power role lies. That isn't very important at all. If for town, roles are merely an aid to normal gameplay, I don't see why this would change from a mafia perspective.
Also, the situation was three players in a lynch pool, with the only real other lynch being Palmar. If the scum team is in fact WaveofShadow and yamato77, and they pushed the lynch that day to mislynch Breshke, there's a fair chance that they would have been lynched in succession as a result.
Have I thought about Artanis being mafia? Of course. I haven't shared all of my reasons for Artanis being town, there is no need to, he isn't in danger of being lynched. But the fluidity of his reads, the sense that he's provided, and the genuine feeling to his posts all look really good to me. He behaves in a manner that is supported by the expected emotions and his character. And I really don't think that Artanis would push WaveofShadow there (without checking the context, it just doesn't feel necessary at all).
Could he be mafia? I suppose, maybe. But even this final push on yamato77 makes a lot of sense. I could see scum trying to change the lynch here, but the thing is that Artanis is actually backing it with good reasons and it feels very genuine to me. So that just looks even better to me. Artanis may be good at mafia, but I simply don't see him being mafia here, especially with Breshke and yamato77 looking this bad.
they weren't good reasons. they were okay reasons
and i was willing to listen to him obviously. read it again
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On May 03 2015 12:19 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. no. i'm not extremely confident he is town You would rather lynch Artanis than yamato77? lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all? I don't think its necessarily alignment indicative like as town or mafia he obviously wasn't going to get lynched there. I can see how people would be frustrrated because the long day phases coupled with the limited night kills kind of makes it feel like the game is moving along very slowly. Add ontop of that mine and I guess yamatos sub par activity levels when we are two of the most suspected i could see how a town artanis could just be frustrated here. so frustrated someone thinking he could be scum is enough to throw a fit? you were in guardians with me. you think that's the same player? Yeah but that game actually was developing and stuff with stuff going on if you get me. Also look at it this way. If he was scum he isnt actually martying because why would he just throw like that if he is town he might actually get himself lynched. Idk how to explain it properly but like if he is actually martying it more likely makes him town but fuck having reads like that so its not alignment indicitve. I get what you are saying though that he is a good player so he shouldnt of reacted like that but then look at it from the same point of view if he is mafia and a good player why would he react like that aswell?
bluffing xP is a hell of a lot easier than simply supporting his position
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On May 03 2015 12:22 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:19 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:On May 03 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 11:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please let it drop with Artanis....
I'm extremely confident that he is town. And he could very well be right. no. i'm not extremely confident he is town You would rather lynch Artanis than yamato77? lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all? I don't think its necessarily alignment indicative like as town or mafia he obviously wasn't going to get lynched there. I can see how people would be frustrrated because the long day phases coupled with the limited night kills kind of makes it feel like the game is moving along very slowly. Add ontop of that mine and I guess yamatos sub par activity levels when we are two of the most suspected i could see how a town artanis could just be frustrated here. so frustrated someone thinking he could be scum is enough to throw a fit? you were in guardians with me. you think that's the same player? Yeah but that game actually was developing and stuff with stuff going on if you get me. Also look at it this way. If he was scum he isnt actually martying because why would he just throw like that if he is town he might actually get himself lynched. Idk how to explain it properly but like if he is actually martying it more likely makes him town but fuck having reads like that so its not alignment indicitve. I get what you are saying though that he is a good player so he shouldnt of reacted like that but then look at it from the same point of view if he is mafia and a good player why would he react like that aswell? bluffing xP is a hell of a lot easier than simply supporting his position Yeah but just lynching me then lynching yamato tomorrow (if he were scum0 is even easier than bluffing haha
lol true :/ not entirely relevant since he only "martyred" after i started questioning him, but technically true
hrum okay so it looks like the roles are randomized according to the OP, but the most compelling reason is simply that damdy was obvious...i'll think about it
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On May 03 2015 12:23 Breshke wrote:by the way im sure you found it but Show nested quote +
The Setup:
[list][*]Six Vanilla Townies + One Blue Role vs. Two Mafia
[*]The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated. I assume that means randomed from the list he later linked
yeah just found it
kinda makes it a little less likely there are two goons, actually, but not significantly so. and damdy's reaction to me could have been a check as much as a save...so it's probably not worth speculating about tbh
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by that i mean, scum thinking damdy is doc/blue is not the same as knowing it, so if they had a counter in an rb/gf then they'd still probably want to keep it lol >< but again we can't be certain that they did or that they didn't try to shoot me night 1 so there are just too many unknowns to draw real conclusions on it from
meh -_- yamato just kinda does this as town, though. can y'all demonstrate why this time it's more scummy than any other time? i can go through old games and stuff but i'm kinda busy for that and y'all are the ones so certain he's scum, so the burden of proof is kinda on you
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On May 03 2015 12:30 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:On May 03 2015 12:23 Breshke wrote:by the way im sure you found it but
The Setup:
[list][*]Six Vanilla Townies + One Blue Role vs. Two Mafia
[*]The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated.I assume that means randomed from the list he later linked yeah just found it kinda makes it a little less likely there are two goons, actually, but not significantly so. and damdy's reaction to me could have been a check as much as a save...so it's probably not worth speculating about tbh Yeah but mafia would know because if they held their shot he is a cop if they didnt he was a doc. so mafia knew
not really? they could hold their shot and he still be a doc
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