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On April 24 2015 10:53 Trfel wrote:
Now that I think about it some more, were he mafia, he probably would have suggested Artanis or I as an actual alternative to the Blazinghand lynch, or just stayed quiet. Protesting the Blazinghand lynch and not suggesting an alternative isn't what I would do as mafia.
I just don't know about him, every time I convince myself that he is scum, something else comes up that suggests that I'm wrong. I'm almost thinking that he is guaranteed town because I'm scumreading him, but ugh...
this post?
lol it's bad reasoning for sure
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Final reads list:
Wave <3
Prob Town - mostly tonereads but i'm fairly confident on them
Palmar
Truffle
Maybe Town? - liked the later posting, and reconsidering reads...probably not outside his scum range though
Artanis
Nullish possibly maybe a little bit leaning slight town - warming up to him but eh...generally just feel he's burnt out, and that's not alignment indicative
Damdy
Scummy
Breshke
Lynch it
Yamato
can ask about my reads if you like ^^
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On April 26 2015 06:07 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I have a warped view of trfel, but the ability to press his reads and to drive them take precedence over almost anything else in the thread when he is actually involved in the thread.
Guardians, the student mafia games. And his scum games always lacks that, even if hes wrong he always pushes.
Here...hes always second guessing himself on everything he puts out it feels like.
honestly lol i just don't agree
we've played almost every game together damdred, truffle and i, and i DO NOT AGREE with your metaread. i don't think there's much else to say there honestly? somehow we've played with the same person and come to completely different conclusions
he described his game to me once as whoever he's scumreading he tries to find reasons to townread and whoever he's townreading he tries to find reasons to scumread...and i know that lately he's presented those reads with more confidence than he probably actually has, but lol >< i also think y'all don't read his posts completely through cause they're monstrosities >< doubt is a town truffle hallmark...and frankly, artanis sees it the same way, if you read his post from earlier
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On April 26 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
I think that you are really wrong on breshke though.
If you think Yamato is scum, do you really see scum breshke going for the bus in this situation?
okay i'm gonna be honest here i've got a couple wild theories that really cannot be voiced ><
however
i do think it's actually quite likely with yamato getting this much heat and apparently deciding to roll over and die that if he is scum - and i believe he is - his scummate would buss him
lol >< in breshke's case, i know this sounds a little crazy paranoid, but i do not like how much he interacted with wave, yamato and myself without coming to a conclusion on yamato's alignment, barely mentioning him, and then arbitrarily linking him to me. especially if yamato is scum
i don't like the sudden (mostly unexplained) reversal in read on me
i don't like him suddenly wanting to lynch yamato for other people's reasons
i don't like his general lack of scumreads or suspicions
i could be completely wrong and i'm 100% aware of that lol >< i'm wrong a lot. however, the answer is yes, i could definitely see scum!breshke who is generally townread bussing scum!yamato who is generally scumread and rolling over
there's also this to consider...we're currently at 6v2...presuming yamato is scum at best we start day 3 at
5v1 or 4v1 depending on whether or not a shot was withheld...which allows us one more mislynch xP breshke is sitting cozy enough to pull off two mislynches, i think, if he's scum here
i mean there's who else?
you
art
truffle
maaaaybe palmar
yeah i think it's quite possible
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On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote:
Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin.
artie is hard for me to read :/
like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere
i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying
my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression
i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle
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On April 26 2015 06:45 yamato77 wrote:
We went through this last game
I work weekends
Not rolling over and dying, just not having time to play a whole bunch
this is true from right after deadline thursday night?
what are your reads...they don't have to be fleshed, just what are they right this second based on what you remember?
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On April 26 2015 06:57 Breshke wrote:
I dont have much time ill have to leave soon and be gone for like an hour after deadline but rso your points seems to explain eachother.
I dont have any scunreads just a bunch of townreads then palamar drops a good casr on yama who is.not ome of my townreads so i dont see whats wrong with sheeping this. (what reasons do you even scumread yama for like couldnt you say your reasons are other peoples reasons aswell)
then to find the last scum I PoE and damdred and srt hadnt impressed me today when normally i feel like they are high impact players.
lol
yes i'm aware all you have is a bunch of townreads ^^
and yes i've actually brought up different points than some of the other players
what changed your opinion on me? which specific posts?
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On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote:
Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting.
hmm that may be true i'd have to take another look at when he started talking :/ and his general read progression on the both of y'all
there was definitely re-evaluation on truffle, though, that much i'm sure of
and i kinda get the vote palmar, unvote thing...isn't it a thing to push palmar to see how he responds to get a read? i thought it was. i know that palmar typically encourages it, and palmar did come out looking more townie for it lol >< anyway
give me a bit to look into that
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On April 26 2015 07:03 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 07:00 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:57 Breshke wrote:
I dont have much time ill have to leave soon and be gone for like an hour after deadline but rso your points seems to explain eachother.
I dont have any scunreads just a bunch of townreads then palamar drops a good casr on yama who is.not ome of my townreads so i dont see whats wrong with sheeping this. (what reasons do you even scumread yama for like couldnt you say your reasons are other peoples reasons aswell)
then to find the last scum I PoE and damdred and srt hadnt impressed me today when normally i feel like they are high impact players.
lol yes i'm aware all you have is a bunch of townreads ^^ and yes i've actually brought up different points than some of the other players what changed your opinion on me? which specific posts? You disliking the bh case for same reasons as me also there was posts after i went to sleep the phase we lynched BH (so like 6 or so hours leading up to the lynch) that i liked but i csnt go get them cos im on phone. What's these different points i see a post saying you vote him for fun then one with some reasoning is there any others.
lol not going there unless you think yamato is town, bresh xP
that post with reasoning is sufficient if you want different points anyway, and i've more than demonstrated original thoughts throughout the game
my concern is your singular sheeped not-actual scumread ^^ not how much of my read on yamato is original
well even if i die in the night phase assuming we lynch today you should probably show where that change of heart came from ^^ not that it'll be easy to verify with how little you've posted this day phase
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On April 26 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote:
Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. hmm that may be true i'd have to take another look at when he started talking :/ and his general read progression on the both of y'all there was definitely re-evaluation on truffle, though, that much i'm sure of and i kinda get the vote palmar, unvote thing...isn't it a thing to push palmar to see how he responds to get a read? i thought it was. i know that palmar typically encourages it, and palmar did come out looking more townie for it lol >< anyway give me a bit to look into that Well one thing to understand about Palmar is in this type of situation what does one vote do? Its no where close to picking up steam he is in peoples POE list but does that guarantee hes going to get up and going just because he has 1/5 votes needed its not pressurish at all imo. It could of turned into that if other people hopped on the wagon, but i'm not so sure about it especially. But Art did push off a Yamato lynch I believe when he first started talking about me after my trfel post earlier in this cycle. And then he said i should be the lynch over Yamato because my reads aren't intricate and mostly fluff. But then he neither pushes Palmar for l ynch really or pushes me to an extent, if you think that Yamato shouldnt' be the lynch and either one of Palmar/Damdred should why would you sit back and really do nothing to influence what people think?
that's a fair point. i thought he was scumreading yamato though?
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OG shit? like why are you sheeping him if you don't think his reasons are any good?
i can scumread you for not having any scumreads ^^ i'm pretty sure, regardless. in fact if i wanted to i could scumread you for having a dick, cause frankly, i don't have to scumread you for good reasons at all. isn't it better that i actually have one, though? 
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##unvote
i think i'm gonna do that as well, damdy
yeah i see what you mean on artanis...he barely mentioned you beforehand, only giving you a light townread. the flip was kinda odd in that context o.0
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On April 26 2015 05:50 rsoultin wrote:yo, wave, that bragging bit you were saying was unlikely to come from a scum yama? xP he only started talking about it after i followed up on truffle's point that yamato's view of bh was contradictory (lazy as fuck -> he'll put forth the effort if given the chance), so...don't think that argument in favor of yamato's play holds water i don't think his push on you early on was terrible? the one against artanis was pretty blah though -_- and having no alternative after pushing hard at you and artanis and even saying he didn't like damdy, then disappearing for 40 minutes before the lynch after saying we should give bh more time, just looks bad, frankly Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 10:29 yamato77 wrote:On April 24 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote:
strategy talk aside i'm actually fine with how you handled the bh lynch, though...looks pretty natural at a second look
mmmmrrrrt i was supposed to be doing schoolwork >< you distractions xP while you're doing that, I'll be formulating updated reads also this was almost 48 hours ago lol >< and no, no new reads
that is mostly why i am scumreading yamato yes...do i need more reasons that that, really?
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On April 26 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote:
Palmar is going to be kinda pissy but that will be ok.
So, I actually feel kinda good about what i'm saying about Artanis right here, what changed from point A to point B on Yamato necessarily? Just Palmar dropping a decent case that Art doesn't even sheep but pushes me instead.
I like that.
lol my only real reservation there damdy is that post really wasn't any good or up to your usual standards
the timing is certainly interesting, though >< i take it from your comment that you don't consider artanis to generally be an omgus type of player?
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i'll rephrase; it was decent but not super!damdy like most of us have come to expect
the more i talk to you though the more i think you probably are just in a slump. i like where your head's at
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On April 26 2015 07:32 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 07:27 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 05:50 rsoultin wrote:yo, wave, that bragging bit you were saying was unlikely to come from a scum yama? xP he only started talking about it after i followed up on truffle's point that yamato's view of bh was contradictory (lazy as fuck -> he'll put forth the effort if given the chance), so...don't think that argument in favor of yamato's play holds water i don't think his push on you early on was terrible? the one against artanis was pretty blah though -_- and having no alternative after pushing hard at you and artanis and even saying he didn't like damdy, then disappearing for 40 minutes before the lynch after saying we should give bh more time, just looks bad, frankly On April 24 2015 10:29 yamato77 wrote:On April 24 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote:
strategy talk aside i'm actually fine with how you handled the bh lynch, though...looks pretty natural at a second look
mmmmrrrrt i was supposed to be doing schoolwork >< you distractions xP while you're doing that, I'll be formulating updated reads also this was almost 48 hours ago lol >< and no, no new reads that is mostly why i am scumreading yamato yes...do i need more reasons that that, really? No lol this is my point exactly. This is good enough to scumread yama. But if you think this is original and not just a sheep pf palmars thing your kidding yourself.
i think it is quite amusing that you are trying to compare my alignment to yours by saying that i'm sheeping palmar, too (i never claimed not to be) when i actually have brought original scumreads/suspicions to the table (including on yamato) and you have not at all on anyone with the notable exception of saying that we were two of your non-townreads who townread each other...which means essentially zilch anyway
you know who else i'm sheeping? truffle xP his second point is one of the points i agree with and i think makes yamato more likely scum
the 40 minutes comment was entirely mine, and also that his "bragging" isn't alignment indicative when he was asked about his contradiction in reads on BH
now go do something worthwhile, like address the actual reason i'm scumreading you, rather than trying to compare us to one another. you're not me
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On April 26 2015 07:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 06:48 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2015 06:45 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 06:43 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2015 06:38 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 06:37 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 06:31 yamato77 wrote:
like, the advantage of IML to me is that it's REALLY easy to put pressure on people by just piling a few votes on and making that player respond to them
alignments are generally more obvious as someone is going to get lynched
in a normal game, you really only get the chance to do this to like, one or two people per day
but in IML you can do it to literally every person
sure, we have all the time in the world, but it's stupid to waste it waiting on known trolls like BH/Palmar to play the game then who do you want to lynch in the next 2.5 hours, yama? the point is the threat of the lynch you use it actively as a tool to force people to play the game you don't use it passively and hope they play the game then do it? no one is stopping you do you think he's town, or something? Why do you wish to play foil? xP i'm going to vote for who i think is scum, and i'm not interested in rushing a vote today. i think artie wanting to give bh/palmar time to participate isn't scum-favored and this whole push is silly -shrugs- but he's actively using it as an excuse to do fuck-all himself. Like, he's waiting on the two players in this game that I would have ZERO expectation to suddenly become active of their own free will. Maybe you don't have the history with BH/Palmar but I do, and Artanis should know better than to passively wait for them to play. I'm fine with the idea of not lynching today, but you can't just sit back and expect the game to come to you. I was rereading Yamatos filter, and I really really like this post. and exchange
ehhh i like some of it (the exchange) until he went off the rails, and more importantly i didn't like how it wasn't apparently enough to push for an artanis lynch over BH ^^
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i think i may drop artie down to null, maybe even null-leaning scum, though
i like some of the other points you've brought up, damdy ^^
if we're not lynching today i think i'm gonna work on the research project i have due this semester lol >< thanks for trying to work this out with me today ^^
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my biggest problem with yamato is the lack of a real push when it comes down to it
i liked his day 1 posting, too...it's why i had him as a townread lol >< the actions just aren't matching up with the words, though
he said he'd talk tonight. we can give him a chance to talk
i may be willing to spring for an artanis lynch tomorrow as well? or a breshke one lol >< though i think if he's scum here that will be me beating my head against a wall with how many people are townreading him
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artie, thoughts on bresh please
and yeah, i'm out now. ttyl folks...unless y'all start trying to pull a ninja lynch lol ><
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