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On April 22 2015 10:00 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck I shot Tfrel because I thought he was scum for his hammer................................ Vig here I'm sorry I killed you Tfrel T_T
So as much as I think this was a bad shot, I can see your reasoning... :/ Espically when we agreed at Bourneq last night (Although Bourneq had a pretty good defense) Me and Trfel we're having the same thoughts and connecting well.
So since your conftown now, Could you give your thoughts on the rest of the game?
On April 22 2015 05:31 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 05:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, when I look at your filter, it seems that your only real scumread is me. This isn't a problem in and of itself, but I would like to have you explain why you don't see anyone else as scummy? I already got scott as one if you are scum based on EoD stuff going down. I still struggling on the 3rd person to be scum with you and scott if you both are scum.
Do you still think I'm scum LS?
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Obi -
On April 22 2015 06:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 06:43 Onegu wrote:
Because Obi with like no reasons behind his reads It's almost like I've explained my reads or you could ask about the ones you don't understand or don't like. :o
I've reread your filter, and although you point in townie directions - I'm not seeing your reads. You said HF was possible scum and rescinded that read - Damd is town? Onegu?
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My thoughts -
HF is actually participating in the game, better then his one post replacement.
I didn't see too much in LeiNadk's "case" though, just a lot of quotes and asking about TBD, which I responded to.
Onegu has not changed much - when I said earlier I thought I knew what his plan was, I thought he was scraping under the radar. Now that we have LS as the Vig, that idea is out the window.
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I am unsure what to think about the OWS/Onegu "exchange" - although it seems to be running on emotion and they are kind of OMGUS'ing each other. I'll read some of their other games for emotion as well and see if I can find anything relative.
I wish our lurkers would start kicking it (LeiNadk??? LS you're confirmed town where are you?!?)
Seems like we have to pry the information out of you...
Obi what do you think of HF?
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EBWOP: Add The Shining in there too, he hasn't posted in almost 48 hours.
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On April 23 2015 05:34 Bourneq wrote:
I was away this entire day because it was my dads birthday and I was celebrating. I get back and barely a page of new stuff? 2 of our most active towns have died if you guys aint going to put some effort in we might aswell concede.
##Vote ObiWanshinobi
Go on, ask me why. Do something for crying out loud.
Why are you voting for OWS?
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On April 23 2015 05:49 Bourneq wrote:
Scott why do you defend OWS at every corner? Everything I see you have written about him I just dont feel is true to any extent. Like this especially "OWS has been doing quite the same, although just not as much of a time sink. He points out suspicious thoughts, areas of concern, and is trying to solve the game. ." I mean it's just not true.
I'm not defending OWS at every corner - I just see him more townie then some of the other people here. He just explained his reasoning for his day one vote. He tried to get others to vote on LS after the bad vote, and when he noted it was not going to happen, he let it go. Does his thought process make sense to you? It does to me.
Should he be more active? Sure. Everyone should be. Is he trying harder then the lurkers? In my opinion, yes. Like I mentioned before, it seems like we have to pry information from people with a crow bar to make them active. Should we start pressure voting like I did with TBD?
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On April 23 2015 23:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 23:54 LeiNadk wrote:
Busy day preparing for a presentation, so just an update and I will post my reasoning in a few hours:
I still think Scott is a scum.
Damdred is a town. I do note that Damdred is posting less than Day 1, but I give him the benefit of doubt.
BM being shot threw me off a little, because I thought he and Scott were a pair.
As for OWS, I need to filter him.
woahhhhh what? you thought the guy that pushed scott the entire game and made cases on him and tried to get him lynched was with scott? :O :O
+1, exactly my thought.
On April 24 2015 00:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Have people actually read onegu?
Everyone is coming in to talk about stuff but nobody talks about him at all.
Onegu did the vote on me and when I showed my post - he never replied or commented on it and left his vote.
He instantly votes Obi when day two starts - I did check the database on his last town and mafia game - Although about 80% of both are one liners, he posts more as one as town and does not get very emotional, even after rayn attempted to make him emotional - and Rayn can go off the deep end. For "meta" - I did not find anything conclusive from my point of view either way.
On April 24 2015 01:01 Damdred wrote:
I honestly don't know what to do honestly, I don't even have a halfway decent poe lol.
I like this post, he's almost twisting his words too much to be honest, honestly. I still see him slight town
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LeiNadk can you explain why I am scum? I posted a reply on your case a few days ago - do you have any questions for me?
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On April 24 2015 02:59 Damdred wrote:
I didn't even read your post XD.
teehee
On April 24 2015 03:14 Damdred wrote:
Its ok just lynch me I'm ok with having some town games that really make me wonder about my mafia meta
I do not like Damdred's martyring, what happened? You didn't even read HF's case? Minus points for you.
On April 24 2015 02:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I remember Damdred or someone in Slytherin said about OWS is that if he looks townie he's scum. He seems to be townie. Could this mean he's scum this game?
Ls-I know you don't mind doing some past gamemeta research, Do you mind seeing what you could dig up on this - or Onegu, I checked his last mafia and town games and didn't come up with anything beyond "posting more". We need you! Thanks.
Onegu tries again with that obs arguement - Is that all you have?
It's been almost 60 hours now Shining, where are you?
##Vote: The Shining
Lei I expect a reply to my last post, why am I scum?
I could go for a Onegu or Damdred lynch as well.
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On April 24 2015 05:57 Holyflare wrote:
I see people voting for not damdred and giving no reasons why. Please explain?
I wanted to see what would happen first with the Shining. It's getting close to deadline though. I'd rather vote for Onegu over Damdred though.
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I'll give my thoughts on LeiNadk's "second case" here - I'll big/bold my parts so there isn't confusion like my post with BM.
On April 24 2015 06:43 LeiNadk wrote:Ok, quoting everything takes way too much time. At EoD1 Scott's scum lists are: BM, Bourn, and Onegu(?) BM asks, "why do you scumread the people that arent on the townie wagon that got lynched," which applies to BM himself and Onegu. (Bourn voted Cake) Scott's response was + Show Spoiler +Because both wagons are town. OWS started on Cakepie, and then tried to go on LS and back on Cakepie, but from his posts he has been giving - and trying to start the LS wagon - I'm pretty sure he is town.
You have gone after Trfel and myself and he's my other townread.
HF hasn't done enough and who he replaced didn't do anything either. Tomorrow is a new day to reevaluate.
LS was honest with not liking either wagon (Neither did I) although a throw away vote looks bad. If you really dig deep, there no scum read. They are all town reads with the exception of BM. For instance, why does OWS avoid Cake wagon from happening an indication that he is town? (I actually think after filtering for quotes, OWS is a scum. His case at the end). Trfel being a town, (Scott explains it later). BM is scum because he is making wrong reads according to him? Not a convincing read. HF is null. LS is town (because he is honest). What about Bourn and Onegu? Bourneq looked much better during night one with his interaction with Trfel - but beforehand he had very little content. Since the day has started, he has dropped off again as well as asking about Shining.
I had a feeling Onegu was the vig or cop but I didn't want to out him on it when I posted "I think I know Onegu's plan after reading his filter. I'm going to wait until tomorrow on him." and make it easier for mafia to find our blue roles. LS claimed vig right after the shot and has not been counterclaimed, so there is no cop. There may be a doc though. If it's a vet he'd play just like VT IMOI will give him credit for his case on Bourn after his initial EoD1 post. + Show Spoiler +So I want to look at Bourneq again, espically with the "incorrect vote". Bourneq thought Trfel was "try harding" with his prewitten post - showing he has suspicions of Trfel? I did not think much of the Trfel post myself, although it did start discussion in the thread, which I like. Bourneq was discussing with Trfel on how he wanted to stir up conversation with BM. Afterwards, BM did the mass claim post. Many people (including myself) jumped on Bill Murray for this and the discussion was diverted, and Bourneq does not return back to Trfel until he says his reads are terrible. He also writes trfel's name TWICE, once in his statement and again for the vote. Could it have been an honest mistake? Possibly, but writing it twice makes me wonder. So I thought I'd do some more digging. What I discovered between the two posts above (From page 17 to page 23) - Cakepie never posts. How did cakepie's reads change when he never posted? Is Bourneq making his change up then? Was he on Trfel intentionally and then attempting to cover his tracks? I'm pretty suspicious of this "honest mistake". It's scummy when his reasoning isn't making sense. I do not know what any of Bourneq's reads are - Cakepie flipped VT - what about Trfel and BM? However the way he presents his case with a lot of rhetorical questions make it sounds like he discover something new about Bourn's posts after he looked through it again. But this is after he already labeled Bourn as a scum. Bourneq didn't give any reads or reasoning before the night. I did research on his "mistake" and his excuse did not fit with the information I was able to retrieve. I did not say he was scum, I was portraying my thoughts and his actions were scummy. His response to my earlier case: + Show Spoiler +To answer about TBD once again - He was looking just like the last game he played (Student VII) and I wanted to get him going when he entered the thread. Others had not entered the thread yet and I do know know if they live on the other side of the world and are even awake. I wanted him to do a little more posting, which he did - (It wasn't great, but it was something) so I dropped my vote, it accomplished in my opnion what I wanted it to do, which was get him talking a little more. TBD's position has been modkilled and flipped VT. Does that make sense?
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Question to Scott:
I don't understand what you are trying to say with who-voted-what.
Please explain why OWS and Trfel are your top towns.
And why is Onegu maybe a mafia.
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To answer -
Trfel has been making strong points, noting things like LS's weird vote, researching filters, and making cases. He is encouraging conversation in I would say a somewhat inactive thread. I'm pretty confident he's town.
OWS has been doing quite the same, although just not as much of a time sink. He points out suspicious thoughts, areas of concern, and is trying to solve the game. .
I think I know Onegu's plan after reading his filter. I'm going to wait until tomorrow on him.
I'll try to find more time for the other posts. Ok, I get TBD pressure vote and his reasoning. Town read on Trfel, too, I see, but why OWS as town? Yes, he asked many questions but primarily just the questions and no substantial contents after his pressure vote on Cake. (I will come back to OWS). Onegu's plan is next. + Show Spoiler +Onegu has not changed much - when I said earlier I thought I knew what his plan was, I thought he was scraping under the radar. Now that we have LS as the Vig, that idea is out the window. Ok, maybe because I'm a new player but I don't understand what scraping under the radar means. Nontheless, this indicates Scott's scum read on Onegu "has not changed much." He asks OWS + Show Spoiler +I've reread your filter, and although you point in townie directions - I'm not seeing your reads. You said HF was possible scum and rescinded that read - Damd is town? Onegu? His contentless comment on OWS/Onegu + Show Spoiler +I am unsure what to think about the OWS/Onegu "exchange" - although it seems to be running on emotion and they are kind of OMGUS'ing each other. I'll read some of their other games for emotion as well and see if I can find anything relative. He asks OWS again + Show Spoiler +Obi what do you think of HF? This.. obsession of Scott toward OWS is weird at the least. Bourn points this out too. + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2015 06:42 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 05:49 Bourneq wrote:
Scott why do you defend OWS at every corner? Everything I see you have written about him I just dont feel is true to any extent. Like this especially "OWS has been doing quite the same, although just not as much of a time sink. He points out suspicious thoughts, areas of concern, and is trying to solve the game. ." I mean it's just not true. I'm not defending OWS at every corner - I just see him more townie then some of the other people here. He just explained his reasoning for his day one vote. He tried to get others to vote on LS after the bad vote, and when he noted it was not going to happen, he let it go. Does his thought process make sense to you? It does to me. Should he be more active? Sure. Everyone should be. Is he trying harder then the lurkers? In my opinion, yes. Like I mentioned before, it seems like we have to pry information from people with a crow bar to make them active. Should we start pressure voting like I did with TBD? The point at which OWS let go of LS was when he claimed misfired vig. It wasn't a thought process, just an obvious common sense thing to do. Yeah, OWS posts more than some of us, but that alone can't justify Scott's strong town lean on him. And another so so: + Show Spoiler +Onegu did the vote on me and when I showed my post - he never replied or commented on it and left his vote.
He instantly votes Obi when day two starts - I did check the database on his last town and mafia game - Although about 80% of both are one liners, he posts more as one as town and does not get very emotional, even after rayn attempted to make him emotional - and Rayn can go off the deep end. For "meta" - I did not find anything conclusive from my point of view either way. This is.. ok. I'm not going to force everything Scott says to fit my case, however what happened to your view on Bourn? + Show Spoiler +Onegu tries again with that obs arguement - Is that all you have?
It's been almost 60 hours now Shining, where are you?
I could go for a Onegu or Damdred lynch as well.
##Vote: The Shining
I'm unsure where you are trying to go with OWS - Do I think he's townier then some of the rest of the folk? Yes. I see a lot of quotes of my posts with Obi and not seeing your conclusion. I'm scum because I'm interacting with my townlean? He also sees my point of view on Onegu, so I want to pick his brain for his thoughts. Everyone here seems to require a crow bar to get anything out of, even our confirmed townie.
You are tunneling me and not seeing the whole picture of the game if you are town. Can you provide reads on the rest of the game?
Here are my thoughts
LS-Nuff Said
OWS-I think I've gone over this plenty
Bourneq and Shining are in the "look towny but activity shit the bed" category
Holyflare-For good points and trying get things accomplished
Leinadk-Tunneling on me and not seeing the whole picture - You believe in your posts though - ?
Damdred-Fell off on Day 2 and his martyr and giving up looks bad.
Onegu-For accomplishing very little, his straight up vote on OWS
##unvote
##Vote: Onegu
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I see your power outage message now Shining, I apologize for it. I've been there before.
I need a few and then let me respond there.
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On April 24 2015 06:59 The Shining wrote:
Scott 60 hours? Lol. I mean I'm glad you can math but this is my 2nd post today. You really pushing an "inactive" after I just explained why I haven't been around? And you're pushing on the basis of activity, as if you don't actually only have 6 posts in the last 2 days yourself? 2 of those posts are non committal, nonposts, too. You didn't know what to make of the OWS/One exchange. You checked Onegus meta and nothing conclusive? So 2 posts saying nothing definitive regarding either one, and a request to send our confirmed town out on a meta goose chase, after having analyzed the same player. Noncommittal and should LS say its a scum metaread, he takes the responsibility, not you.
I still don't like your D1 vote, either. The Cake ninja vote was odd. Your scum after were Bourne and Trfel and BM. Two of those also flipped VT. You've apparently abandoned your Bourne read to push me now, which is a bad idea for a town.
##Vote: Scott31337
Let's do this.
So if you don't remember what was going on - I got home a little bit beforehand and saw
On April 21 2015 09:58 Blazinghand wrote:Vote Count scott31337 (4): Bill Murray, Onegu, LeiNadk, cakepie cakepie (3):, Bourneq, Damdred, HolyFlare Bourneq (2): Trfel, The Shining Bill Murray (1): Scott31337 Trfel (1): LightningStrike LS (1) OWS Not voting (1): prplhz Currently, SCOTT is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
note: the previous vote count has been edited for clarity
I was leading in votes and I know I'm town and I'm going to save myself to take my vote off of BM which obviously was not going to happen. Wouldn't you do the same?
A lot of your reply is also in my post above as well when I responded to LeiNadk's case.
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On April 24 2015 09:12 LeiNadk wrote:
@Holyflare:
Ok, so Damd giving up on Day 2 is really scummy and you can back up the claim that it's unlike him with your experience playing with him before and such. Can you read anything from Day 1 or Night 1 that would further support your claim?
Then I would be willing to vote Damdred.
Is there a reason why you avoided my question again?
"You are tunneling me and not seeing the whole picture of the game if you are town. Can you provide reads on the rest of the game?"
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That Leineik vote at the end seemed pretty suspicious to me... hmmm
I'm still thinking it's Onegu.
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On April 24 2015 14:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Just ignore me because I'm livid about other stuff atm.
I'm still awake man, what are you thinking?
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What would you like to talk about HF?
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##Vote Onegu
Going to start dinner but I'll be around.
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On April 24 2015 08:33 Onegu wrote:
OWS has been doing quite the same, although just not as much of a time sink. He points out suspicious thoughts, areas of concern, and is trying to solve the game. .
I've reread your filter, and although you point in townie directions - I'm not seeing your reads. You said HF was possible scum and rescinded that read - Damd is town? Onegu?
Second part talking about OWS
How does he switch to these in consecutive posts just doesnt make sense at all
Switch? I say in the first post that he's pointing out suspicions among other things. He appears to be doing townie things but he doesn't have any conclusive reads, or who's townie/scum beyond the second post I mentioned. He said HF was scum and took it back. What I was basically asking for is a list post, but that never happened. The second post was more of a follow up question. Does that make sense?
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On April 26 2015 13:46 Onegu wrote:
OMG OWS is so scum here and you guys dont see it. All he is doing this phase is asking pointless questions and then never following up on them. You wanna know how I pegged scum rsoul in the last newbie. She was doing the same damn thing. You guys are bitching at me about not doing anything but you are just being a bunch of hypocrites.
Second Scotts answer isnt actually a answer at all. His read mixing makes not sense to me. Most likely makes him scum.
BRB in a few with more.
It's two different, although related topics. If you don't like my answer, that's fine.
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I see Onegu and OWS going after each other calling each other mafia - I don't think they are both mafia from their interaction, I'm pretty confident it's Onegu.
Bourneq and Shining are in the "lazy town" category, although Bourneq's convention he had to go to sounds legit to me.
I don't see much else to go on - What about you HF?
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LeiNadk coming into the thread and then leaving for most of the day is getting fairly annoying though.
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Hmm, the thing about Bourneq is he's in Sweden, supposidly had a hard weekend with his festival, and it's almost midnight there. I do not know if he's able to defend himself. Are you around Bourneq? Will you be around?
+ When pressured by Trfel and his case, he refuted a lot of the responses that Trfel brought fairly well, having genuine interest
- Left his vote more then once with out any reasoning (Especially the last two days)
Grrr, I don't like this.
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