EPTOn April 19 2015 14:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Are you still suspicious of Onegu or what?
Are you still suspicious of Onegu or what?
What?
I do not want to comment on other games - I am unsure what else you could be talking about.
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On April 19 2015 10:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I feel terrible for saying this but I already kind of want to kill scott. What made you say this BTW? I'm always trying to learn others point of view. | ||
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On April 19 2015 15:30 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Good morning guys. Evening - Do you mind if I call you TBD or Dwarf? What do you think so far? | ||
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On April 19 2015 15:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I mean YUROP TOO STRONG TO DIE  I read your last game and you are about as useful so far and got mislynched. If you are town this game can you step it up and learn from your mistakes? Do you have any reads? | ||
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On April 19 2015 16:14 The Shining wrote: So Scott. We keep posting around the same times. Hi. We do. I explained my reads earlier. I want TBD to do stuff this game - It should not matter what country or time zone he (I'm assuming he by the name) - I read his filter from the last Student mafia and showed very little interest. I apologize for my comment earlier, BTW - just was curious how you would react.  | ||
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TBD picked it up a little bit, but he's still on a tight leash for now. ## Unvote On April 20 2015 01:30 Bill Murray wrote: PS I'm Vanilla Townie and we need a massclaim in all likelihood. If scum don't CC power roles we will likely have around a 60% chance to win What the hell is this BM? This is a terrible idea and you know it. BM roles scum like 80% of the time anyway, RNG gods love him. On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote: For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous. This is a must read. That's an excellent read - although I have before - the whole banlist is worth a read too.  On April 20 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote: Yeah this isn't going to be a fun game at all for me. Anyway my answers already there Are you feeling okay - or? Sorry to hear that. Looks like others went over BM's terrible idea already... | ||
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On April 20 2015 08:43 cakepie wrote: Fashionably late, checking in after late a night out and sleeping in half the day -- wasn’t expecting the game to kick off in mere hours! Catching up. Feel free to address questions to me and I’ll get to them when I’m done reading up to speed. What do you think of LightningStrike? And a reads list would be nice as well. | ||
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On April 20 2015 21:35 Bourneq wrote: Hello am I alone in this dark world? Scott since you unvoted TBD do you mind sharing who you would wrather vote as of now? Probably from a pool of - BM, Cakepie, Plotspot On April 20 2015 22:54 Bill Murray wrote: You know, this setup seems absurdly scum favored upon looking at it. We REALLY Don't need a mislynch on me. IF anyone would come around right now, I would greatly enjoy some discussion. As it is, though, I am doing some filter diving. Speaking of scumteams I thought 1) we had 9 players and there were 2 scum 2) it was Cop/Doc/Goon/Goon 3) I am actually relatively confirmed village idiot at this point But you all can go ahead and lynch me I'm not even going to doublevote on someone to get the vote off of me I don't see this guy as being scum. The last part of his post is more of a "theory posed as a question" There is a guy on this website named Foolishness, who, in the prime of his mafia playing, wasn't the best mafia player. He was great as town, but as mafia, he would emulate his blue play, possibly subconsciously, and coast through D1 to D2 before he would start posting. As VT however the guy would be posting this huge ass posts detailing the possibility of entire scumteams I still don't think this guy should be lynched, even when he's making fun of me. I feel like he is just a bored VT. ##vote: Scott31337 IIoA, AtA, AtS, voting obvious bored townie Scott has been giving any bit of off topic information, or even on topic information, without actually doing analysis. I will highlight this now: Even in his most scumhunting sounding post, he chooses to word it as "is viewed as scummy" as opposed to "is scummy". His previous scumhunting analysis is a whopping "meh"... literally. He literally says that. What can we get out of someone saying "meh" ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Yes, I have a meh read - not enough to go one way or the other, espically on Day 1 - is that possible? YES! his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null" Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever. Everyone else was null - Damdred and OWS were stirring the thread in the right direction, and I did not have an opionion on anybody else yet. If I added to that now, I'd give a slight town to Trfel - him and Damdred going at it looks innocent, and you look a little scummy. Fair? More IIoA. Bringing up a topic and not even answering it. He defers. This is my second game - I wanted someone else to explain a "tone read" better then me looking up mafiawiki or urban dictionary - nobody ever did though. When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town" He then goes onto the worst of his IIoA and becomes a human library trying to throw a link out to get suspicion off himself. He is feigning helpfulness as scum and this post also highlights my next talking point, his AtA. AtA = appealing to authority. He is sucking up to what he views as the better players haha he is also trying to butt in anytime the moderator is brought up So helping newbies out is scummy? I'll have to remember that in the future. in his most recent post with a forced question about someone he has had no discussion about or analysis of (asked towards cakepie about LightningStrike) this is there because CakePie has actually been shrugging off his scum aura and shining forth in the spotlight more. He has actually become a very helpful member of town. The reason Scott is doing this is scum motivated. He wants a list of reads from Cakepie to see whether or not he should be killing him tonight. If Scott himself is lower on that list, bam, the cake is a lie. There are other explanations here including his not understanding the meta of the thread, coaching, actual analysis etc but I feel like, given his earlier posting, he is using this as AtA and judging where cake stands on the issue for negative reasons. And here he appeals to statistics. He has the worst reaction of anyone to my trying to get some plan rolling. Town can't afford to have this sort of plan but people who are town are going to largely mull it over. Upon reading this I'm sure you all are thinking to yourself "well he's right" but in mafia it doesnt matter whether or not you are right it matters what you can get your friendly town to do with you. When someone is saying "BM rolls scum 80%" of the time to subconsciously fuck with you guys and get me lynched that's utter bullshit. Someone thats AtS along with AtA and IIoA needs to go No, I do not think it is a terrible plan, because I think you are scum. I am going to OMGUS you and your terrible case. Lastly he was voting for TheBloodyDwarf who I completely disagree with him on. In fact I feel like he was trying to go for one of the most obvious vanilla town that is a village idiot and possibly a good mislynch From what I read on TBD's last game, he was actualy very similar before I voted for him. He started posting afterwards, and has faded - but I don't think he'll be the lynch today - tomorrow we can re-evaluate. For all of those reasons I'm voting the 3rd filter I looked at, Scott. ##vote scott331331313 ##Vote: Bill Murray ![[image loading]](http://byt.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Mic-Drop.gif) | ||
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On April 21 2015 02:17 Onegu wrote: The Scott case isn't amazing but this here is like the worst reaction ever. And I'm fine dropping my vote on him for it. ##Vote Scott You did read the bold points I added in the quote to answer his case, correct? | ||
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On April 21 2015 10:11 Holyflare wrote: where has scott gone? I had clean up after dinner - I got here a little while ago. I wanted to make sure I didn't get on the wrong side of the tiebreaker. I know I am town, and cakepie was a tossup. Now with some VCA to do, I'll write up something more comprehensive in a little bit here. | ||
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scott31337 (5): Bill Murray, Onegu, LeiNadk, cakepie damd Bourneq (1): The Shining Trfel (1): LightningStrike Not voting (1): prplhz LS voted for Trfel so he wouldn't vote for a townie, but then did - I think Trfel's town. The Shining left his vote on Bourneq and we haven't heard from him either recently. Cakepie shows Bourneq vote first (I'll have to find the unvote listing as well) - HF, Scott, Trfel, OWS - but OWS was on earlier before trying to start on LS. The wagon on me has been some slight townie leads and a flipped VT - although I'm still suspicious of BM though. OWS and Trfel would be my top towns BM and Bourneq, maybe Onegu? would be at the bottom. If you have any questions, feel free. | ||
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On April 21 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote: Still shooting Scott That would be a bad decision. Is there anything I can answer for you? Did you also see my rebuttals to BM's case I posted? | ||
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On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote: Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town. And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. Obi why do you not think this will be a high postcount game? On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote: In regards to Trfel I have done nothing to set up a vote on you. I did not even concider it so I really don't know where this is coming from. I would guess its from this Yet I just said that to get Bill to talk since he would not do that with you. I thought you brought up some good points and did not want Bill to get away with not answering them. And he had stated he would not talk to YOU about it. I had not even concsidered voting trfel but I wanted to get a conversation with Bill going. On a different note I am not sure about the Bill lynch yet, it kind of feels like the plotspot lynch last game where he was saying some super scummy things yet flipped town. But if I had to vote right now I would vote Bill, I really hope this thread picks up however so that we can make a more educated lynch. Speaking of plotspot he is still a no-show which makes me sad. He is likely to draw a plynch or 2. Currently Obi is on my radar. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote: Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. On April 21 2015 04:21 Bourneq wrote: Wow trfels reads are so terrible I want to lynch him. But at least he is posting. ##Vote Trfel Just casting my vote real quick I will be back in a few hours. On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote: Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie. ##Unvote ##Vote cakepie On April 21 2015 08:34 Bourneq wrote: lmao, going to get lynched for typing the wrong name? Fair. I was in a rush, was talking about trfel but was saying I am not voting him because he is active. Then I was going to write cakepie but I was in a rush and trfel was on my mind so somehow my brain typed that. Then an hour or two later I was talking about mafia with a mate and it dawned on me, wait.. Did I really write cakepie?? No I had not. Anyway seems im dead in a bit but just thought you should know this before I flip town. Gl townies. On April 21 2015 08:57 Bourneq wrote: You're right damdred. So cakepie seriously belives that im scum, made a wrong vote, got yelled at by my scum team and thus changed it. Alright fair enough, but why would I in the very same post that I voted in, make a case for NOT voting trfel? That does not make sense. I had no intention of voting on trfel. Your other point reads that I was somehow "picking at easy targets" early in the game, yet the 2 people I was really looking into and asking questions was trfel and bill murray. Both have an enormous amount of games played compared to me, them being "easy targets" for me makes absolutely no sense. And what do you mean by I was assigned to "work" on a town leader. I see trfel in no way as a town leader, I dont even see him as town yet. And what do you mean by "work"? The furthest I got with trfel was saying I got a scummy vibe from his first post that was as long as my arm but that it was NAI. I even clarified right after + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote: Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. So I want to look at Bourneq again, espically with the "incorrect vote". Bourneq thought Trfel was "try harding" with his prewitten post - showing he has suspicions of Trfel? I did not think much of the Trfel post myself, although it did start discussion in the thread, which I like. Bourneq was discussing with Trfel on how he wanted to stir up conversation with BM. Afterwards, BM did the mass claim post. Many people (including myself) jumped on Bill Murray for this and the discussion was diverted, and Bourneq does not return back to Trfel until he says his reads are terrible. He also writes trfel's name TWICE, once in his statement and again for the vote. Could it have been an honest mistake? Possibly, but writing it twice makes me wonder. So I thought I'd do some more digging. What I discovered between the two posts above (From page 17 to page 23) - Cakepie never posts. How did cakepie's reads change when he never posted? Is Bourneq making his change up then? Was he on Trfel intentionally and then attempting to cover his tracks? I'm pretty suspicious of this "honest mistake". It's scummy when his reasoning isn't making sense. I do not know what any of Bourneq's reads are - Cakepie flipped VT - what about Trfel and BM? | ||
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On April 21 2015 12:55 Trfel wrote: I spent nearly an hour on that post, only to find out that I got beaten to the punch. Hrmph. I'll take a look at what scott31337 wrote later tonight, after I'm done with everything else. Great minds think alike | ||
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On April 21 2015 11:59 Bill Murray wrote: why do you scumread the people that arent on the townie wagon that got lynched Because both wagons are town. OWS started on Cakepie, and then tried to go on LS and back on Cakepie, but from his posts he has been giving - and trying to start the LS wagon - I'm pretty sure he is town. You have gone after Trfel and myself and he's my other townread. HF hasn't done enough and who he replaced didn't do anything either. Tomorrow is a new day to reevaluate. LS was honest with not liking either wagon (Neither did I) although a throw away vote looks bad. --- + Show Spoiler [LeiNadk's Post] + [QUOTE]On April 21 2015 13:35 LeiNadk wrote: My case on Scott: I started looking into Scott after he asked Trfel this question: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 13:00 scott31337 wrote: What do you think of the LS/Damdred exchange? I know LS can be intimidated - and avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy. And later gave his read to OWS as: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote: I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well - I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX. Everyone else null ATM I let my first suspicion known at that point, because he was interested in LS/Damdred exchanged and stated that LS avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy. + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 14:29 LeiNadk wrote: My thoughts so far: First of all, I'm watching Bourne not because of Trfel's logic but because of the fact that he said he was going to sleep but stuck around as evident from his comment after Trfel's entrant post. I feel like he is carefully following the game without making it seems like he is. As for Damdred and LS exchange, Damdred seems like he is just trying to get some sort of read and LS is handling it calmly. I'm getting strong town vibe from both of them to be frank. I haven't played with them before. If they are very skilled players, then I can't be sure. For Shining, I don't know but nothing out of ordinary. Scott, seems to be jumping from here and there.. I can't say he is a strong town. I am very thankful for answering my question though. So I asked him for the reasons why: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 14:38 LeiNadk wrote: Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town? His answer, not quite satisfying to me but I didn't press on. + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 14:44 scott31337 wrote: Obi and Damdred have been asking questions and offering their ideas and they feel honest to me so far. Later when TBD shows up, he immediately asks for his reads: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 15:34 scott31337 wrote: Evening - Do you mind if I call you TBD or Dwarf? What do you think so far? On April 19 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote: I read your last game and you are about as useful so far and got mislynched. If you are town this game can you step it up and learn from your mistakes? Do you have any reads? And he pressure votes merely 40 minutes later. Keep in mind that most of the players including himself doesn't have a solid read at this point. BM, cake, and plotspot haven't even posted anything yet. + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 16:15 scott31337 wrote: I think you need some encouragement. ## Vote: TheBloodyDwarf And TBD's total posts after that are (pretty much nothing): + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 00:11 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Really good post. This post made some of my views from the last game stronger. I think I will re read this again later in the game. On April 20 2015 00:42 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Ofc I could make reads like this that add nothing to this game except more pages. Maybe I should do that coz it makes me look good. I just wanted to be honest and said that I have no reads yet  Sry LightningStrike  On April 20 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Hey veterans here. What is your experience about inactive players that come to thread with post stating their reason for inactivity and haven't posted at all. How many times they have been scums? I mean just inactivity on day1 gives them like "free" day. Less posts, less scumhunting on them. On April 20 2015 07:14 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Wow, I have been banned several times on this website but damn, now there is name that I should look forward to when playing mafia. Such a legend. + Show Spoiler + /jk Do I need to even need to stay this? AND Scott drops the vote + no content post: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote: What a night! Let me catch up in the thread - TBD picked it up a little bit, but he's still on a tight leash for now. ## Unvote What the hell is this BM? This is a terrible idea and you know it. BM roles scum like 80% of the time anyway, RNG gods love him. That's an excellent read - although I have before - the whole banlist is worth a read too. Are you feeling okay - or? Sorry to hear that. Looks like others went over BM's terrible idea already... And then Bill Murry makes a case on Scott. I agree with only a few points and I disagree with the rest of BM's case: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 22:54 Bill Murray wrote: his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null" Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever. When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town" His rebuttal to those two points made by BM were not convincing to me, especially this one: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2015 01:31 scott31337 wrote: Everyone else was null - Damdred and OWS were stirring the thread in the right direction, and I did not have an opionion on anybody else yet. If I added to that now, I'd give a slight town to Trfel - him and Damdred going at it looks innocent, and you look a little scummy. Fair? Conclusion: To answer about TBD once again - He was looking just like the last game he played (Student VII) and I wanted to get him going when he entered the thread. Others had not entered the thread yet and I do know know if they live on the other side of the world and are even awake. I wanted him to do a little more posting, which he did - (It wasn't great, but it was something) so I dropped my vote, it accomplished in my opnion what I wanted it to do, which was get him talking a little more. TBD's position has been modkilled and flipped VT. Does that make sense? -- Question to Scott: I don't understand what you are trying to say with who-voted-what. Please explain why OWS and Trfel are your top towns. And why is Onegu maybe a mafia. ^ To answer - Trfel has been making strong points, noting things like LS's weird vote, researching filters, and making cases. He is encouraging conversation in I would say a somewhat inactive thread. I'm pretty confident he's town. OWS has been doing quite the same, although just not as much of a time sink. He points out suspicious thoughts, areas of concern, and is trying to solve the game. . I think I know Onegu's plan after reading his filter. I'm going to wait until tomorrow on him. 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