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On April 19 2015 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
After my conversation with him last night. That is a weakness of mine though and we'll see what the next day brings.
At the very least i need to not tunnel him completely all game without looking back objectively.
One major issue I have with my own scum narrative on him is the meta case on LightningStrike. I can't tell what is more likely from HF; that he truly believed what he wrote about LS and meta in general or he found that meta as scum perfectly knowing it would essentially put the nail in LS's coffin due to those similarities.
It bothers me that you made two posts on holyflare, clearly being suspicions of him, but never saying he is scum. Then you engage in a conversation as you've never been suspicious of him. It sounded like you both started the conversation with the objective of you dropping your suspicions on him.
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On April 19 2015 17:16 sicklucker wrote:
no vig claim? would be nice to know which one was mafia killed in case you die tonight. Theres a reason you alays claim as a veg here. So we dont work with bad information. Im gonna asume artanis was the veg shot since shooting palmer was a travesty.
##Vote: sicklucker
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I'll be dropping thoughts soon
Gonna take a shower first
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Nothing is better than a good nap on a sunny Sunday.
Gonna write things now
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On April 19 2015 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 03:41 GlowingBear wrote:On April 19 2015 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
After my conversation with him last night. That is a weakness of mine though and we'll see what the next day brings.
At the very least i need to not tunnel him completely all game without looking back objectively.
One major issue I have with my own scum narrative on him is the meta case on LightningStrike. I can't tell what is more likely from HF; that he truly believed what he wrote about LS and meta in general or he found that meta as scum perfectly knowing it would essentially put the nail in LS's coffin due to those similarities. It bothers me that you made two posts on holyflare, clearly being suspicions of him, but never saying he is scum. Then you engage in a conversation as you've never been suspicious of him. It sounded like you both started the conversation with the objective of you dropping your suspicions on him. Lol nothing is enough for you. I call him scum all day and that's not good. Then I try and evaluate my read and that's not good either. You koshi and oats can all have a field day with me tomorrow if you like, but I'm not going anywhere, nor am I going to back down and give up like in recent games. At the very least I'm going to fucking try even if it doesn't get us anywhere because I'm sick of it.
The problem here is how you did that.
In a big list of scummy lurkers, you went straight on on a strong player. You could have any other one lynched. I thought about lynching holyflare, but he would be the last of that list. You simply scumread him because he was AFK.
After, you've made posts regarding him, throwing suspicions but not actually calling him scum. Then you reevaluated him over a conversation that wasn't so revealing. It looked, to my eyes, that you decided to reevaluate your read on HF BEFORE the conversation developed.
But I've made a quick skim through the thread and now I actually think you're trying to solve the game, actively pushing things and taking genuine stances. You're probably town, after all
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On April 20 2015 02:26 Holyflare wrote:
thank you for the continued narrative of your afking scummy life
You have to see what I've been putting in my qt
Artanis is now commenting on my lunch menu
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On April 20 2015 02:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 02:29 Koshi wrote:
I ll read EoD1. And will let you know what I think. I have nothing. People sucked. Holyflare case on LS could be mafia HF. Vivax doing nothing could be mafia. GB giving 4 names and [b]knowing nothing/b] could be mafia. I don't even have anything on WoS so he could be mafia. SL could mafia. tbh everybody could be mafia. Unvote me pls. I am not mafia.
I could be Jon Snow.
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Sicklucker is obvious Mafia here, that post where he talks about nightkill sounded completely forced as all of his posts in this game. Everytime I read sicklucker I see a guy pushing his own agenda rather actually trying to help town into solving the game
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I'm not lynching Koshi over sicklucker.
It is scum agenda because I see a guy disorganising town.
His conclusion that scum shot palmar is odd. There is only one guy who would play that bad as vigi (shooting artanis) and that guy is sicklucker. But he says he isn't the vigi, which makes his analysis of the nightkill specially scummy.
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He even used that shit to say I'm Mafia and I killed palmar because I was afraid of Palmar
Weakest reasoning ever
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SL, how do you read Koshi?
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Give me one reason SL is town.
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On April 20 2015 06:55 Holyflare wrote:you're mafia
I'm town.
Try again.
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On April 20 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote:
Give the thread one reason scum? because you havent gave one yet...
I've gave plenty. Don't force me into writing a full case I'm not interested in making
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I still need to know why people are reading you as town
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I believe your night kill analysis was made with the purpose of pushing a mislynch on me.
"Palmar was shot by Mafia. GB is afraid of Palmar. Therefore, GB is Mafia"
Your conclusions aren't natural. They are reached with the sole purpose of making a read. That's why I don't believe in you
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On April 20 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 07:06 GlowingBear wrote:
I still need to know why people are reading you as town that has nothing to do with me being mafia
This has a lot to do with other people being mafia
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I'll get to my computer and write it
It really bothers me that everybody is townreading SL but nobody can draft a single word on why he is town.
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On April 20 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote:
inc hf bus.
Gb will probably come back with something weak later. But remember this moment when he froze and ran away from the thread
I love this stupidity since I already wrote things on why I think you're scummy
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.:Sicklucker is Mafia:.
1) Unreasonable scumread on LS (soft scumreading on WoS)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2015 00:13 sicklucker wrote:
Wave your opening is asking ls to come play pictionary. This is kind of bad your taking two players away from the game... On April 17 2015 01:10 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 00:44 LightningStrike wrote:On April 17 2015 00:20 sicklucker wrote:
Did ls play pictionary? because thats more scummy then whatever you did No we played cards against humanity :O Also the thread was dead at the time we were playing it lol. says he has no time. runs off on waves win to play other games hum... On April 17 2015 00:20 sicklucker wrote:
Did ls play pictionary? because thats more scummy then whatever you did
Here, SL uses poor reasoning to scumread LS. It's not sicklucker's regular WIFOM, it is a simple argument of "you preferred to play another game instead of this because *you are afraid".
You COULD say that he was trying to generate discussion. But he ended hammering LS, which means his scumread on him, even if it was based on weak reasoning, was legit. It's not that HF's case changed his POV since he never aknowledged it in his filter.
In the other hand, although LS was having similar behavior as WoS, SL ignores him throghout the whole game, just casting a weak suspicion on him in early day1 and not caring for him anymore.
2) Scumreading Artanis for Weak Reasoning + Negotiating with Him
+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2015 02:21 sicklucker wrote:
Guys I got an idea. Lets lynch artanis unless he proves hes town. Because a scum artanis will roll over and die!
artanis[xp]
This is sort of revenge for when you left me as a solo mafia one game ;p
Anyone who has played with Artanis knows that he does not have a solid meta. Lurking or not lurking isn't too much indicative to make Artanis deserve a day1 lynch. This could also be a discussion generating argument, but he kept his vote on Artanis for very long although Art was one of the top town in this game with so many scummy lurkers.
Now check this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 18 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote:
artanis vote ls and ill unvote you
He scumread Artanis throghout the whole day1. Then he asks his SCUMREAD to vote his ANOTHER SCUMREAD? Why?
You could read it as a trap request. If he refuses to lynch, they could be scum together. If Artanis move his vote, it is a survival/mislynch move.
Artanis actually changes his vote and what happens? SICKLUCKER HAMMERS TOWN LS.
He voted with this MAIN SCUMREAD and ACTIVELY CONVINCED HIS SCUMREAD TO VOTE ON ANOTHER TARGET AND DIDN'T DRAW ANY CONCLUSIONS FROM IT.
Later, on day2:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 06:31 sicklucker wrote:
I did not think artanis was townie. Both were pretty null and either could have been the shot. I believe palmer to be more likely the nk. I read your argument and I still believe.
your argument was just "YOUR WRONG" btw it wasint rly an argument
"Artanis was null"
Null
NULL
ARTANIS WAS NULL
NULL
LET ME VOTE ARTANIS BECAUSE I THINK HE IS MAFIA NO WAIT HE IS NULL
NULL
NULLLLLLLLL
ARTANIS WAS SHOT BY VIGI BECAUSE HE WAS SCUM
WAIT
HE WAS NULL
NULL
NULLLLLLLL
3) Unreasonable Townread on Palmar
+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2015 13:50 sicklucker wrote:
I acualy think palmers less likely to play as town then scum
This is EXTREME bullshit because:
(i) Palmar's meta isn't fixed
(ii) Palmar usually doesn't give a shit when he is mafia. Sicklucker even sacrificed him in Guardians XXX
(iii) Sicklucker just played in an ongoing game (so I won't talk more about this) where Palmar was town and ACTIVE as fuck.
This townread is completely in dissonance with Sicklucker's experience with Palmar. It simply makes no sense.
4) Throws suspicions based on an affirmative even he denied
+ Show Spoiler +On April 18 2015 07:40 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 23:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Well Palmar is unCCed blue so he's town for that. im pretty sure this is also s joke. On April 18 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote:
Like palmers not the jailkeeper thats not something you claim on day 1 ever. Its just a joke from an on going game DISSONANCE BARRIEROn April 18 2015 08:26 sicklucker wrote:
vivax you could have voted before me and had your choice of ls/hf lynch. You could also have voted artanis. Instead you went for a lynch on a possible power role that was never gonna happen
"You're suspicious for voting on a possible blue role which I said with certainty that he wasn't a blue role"
5) Forced NK WIFOM and a Scumread after it
We all know that sicklucker is a master of WIFOM, but this post simply sounds fabricated:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 17:16 sicklucker wrote:
no vig claim? would be nice to know which one was mafia killed in case you die tonight. Theres a reason you alays claim as a veg here. So we dont work with bad information. Im gonna asume artanis was the veg shot since shooting palmer was a travesty.
Asks for a claim so people doesn't work with bad information. Immediately works with bad information - the assumption artanis was vigi shot instead of mafia is contrived at best. Palmar was scummy. Palmar was one of the wagons. Palmar did NOTHING. Why would mafia prefer to kill PALMAR other than ARTANIS?
Remember that EVEN SICKLUCKER DIDN'T BELIEVE IN PALMAR'S CLAIM, which makes this "natural conclusion" impossible.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2015 18:01 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 04:53 GlowingBear wrote:On April 18 2015 04:48 Vivax wrote:On April 18 2015 04:39 GlowingBear wrote:On April 18 2015 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA.
Your logic of HF being more helpful as the day goes on if town however is faulty, keeping him alive as scum as the game progresses is an equal am opposite effect if you're talking meta.
Fuck meta, however. We're lynching HF regardless. I'm not talking meta, I'm saying that HF is a very good player that shouldn't be our first priority if we are lynching scummy lurkets. Like, WoS, HF didn't say a single word yet. And you know he is very active as scum. You can say that the lack of his contribution is anti town but you can't assume he is definetly scum as you're doing right now Same could be said about the guy you want to policy. Difference between you and Wave is that you think HF can be an asset. I've explained why I prefer other targets as a priority, but I think HF is lynchable. I certainly prefer lynching other lurker other than HF simply because I know that HF is an important asset if he is town and I can read him well nonetheless. WoS, in the other hand, wants to lynch HF because he is strongly scumreading him for a thing that doesn't confirm him as Mafia (regarding his scum meta) Then why did you want to lynch palmer? the guy who figured out your mafia recently. Hey look you nked him too
"GB, I'm voting anyone who voted Palmar because Palmar is a good player and shouldn't be lynched day1 and anyone trying to vote him looks bad. I prefer you because you're afraid of Palmar who can correctly read you."
In other words, he assumes Artanis isn't a good player to keep alive day1 even if he was more active than Palmar. Then, he uses bad information that even he said we shouldn't be using to scumread a town player over a weak argument that the player was "afraid". LOL
+ Show Spoiler +On April 20 2015 01:17 sicklucker wrote:
My estimate to flip scum
Holyflare 60% The fact he didnt die hes highe rthen most. Also he should know the meta and is ignoring gb
GlowingBear 90% Under the reasonable pretense that palmer was the nk (if im wrong 1 shot veg needs to claim)
Oatsmaster 35%
Vivax 30% Spamming sounds about right
VayneAuthority 2%? Whatever the odds of their being a gf and him being it
WaveofShadow 10% Seems to have good reads and knows wtf is going on
onegu 20%
loafery Not enough data!
Koshi 40% Didnt try in his last game could just be abusing that fact
lol.
Vote him. He is mafia.
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