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Inspector Javert
Profile Joined April 2015
314 Posts
May 07 2015 14:34 GMT
#6241
On May 07 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 23:23 Inspector Javert wrote:
Scummy scummy LS

I have never had such a strong read on you until now.

What can I do to convince you I not scum?


Flip town
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 07 2015 14:36 GMT
#6242
On May 07 2015 23:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:23 Inspector Javert wrote:
Scummy scummy LS

I have never had such a strong read on you until now.

What can I do to convince you I not scum?


Flip town

Meanie I don't want to die unless I fight scum myself but I wont die in a fight until Day 6 assuming I don't get hit by KP other than fights. I have 9 hp left from my original 15.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 07 2015 14:38 GMT
#6243
On May 06 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay guys I found something interesting about Stutters meta which he busses his teammates as Mafia in 3 of his games as scum and OMGUS scumread a person in 1 game and here the quote of his OMGUS read on Waveofshadow in Basterd Mini Mafia:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 00:18 Stutters695 wrote:
Any red emphasis is mine

Well WoS's most recent post has me thinking he might be scum.

I'm literally WoS' only scum-read this game. He jumps on my wagon and sheeps Vivax and Rayn (with his only unique reasoning being that I didn't feel like translating his worthless posts in French because I was phone posting).

He twice emphasizes his doubt of my wagon by virtue of four people already being on it.

BUT WAIT
On July 01 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol speaking of Rayn grasping at straws, (somebody mentioned that earlier..?) I certainly love his case on me.
For a guy who talks a lot about towny perspectives, he doesn't even remotely consider the fact that me saying I have nothing to say can be from a towny perspective at all, cause, you know, I had nothing to say at the time. The contradiction he comes up with is not a contradiction at all in my eyes, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right?

I also especially love how hard he pushes me as his main scumread.
I'm still not convinced that he is scum though and I want to look closer when I get the chance at his very recent scumgame as compared to something like CC.

Stutters I was thinking of unvoting you but your recent post gives me pause. You just look so afraid to take a stance on anything. C'est scummy.

Ladies and gents I'm out until later tonight; kid is at the grandparents for the night and you can sure as hell bet I'm not spending free time with the wife at the computer.

He literally hasn't taken a stance on anything to this point and waffled on me because the wagon was too easy when thats literally the exact same thing he said my most recent post was scummy for.

After that he does his summary thing which shows no real analysis just worthless summaries of what we already know.

Wat is this waffly shit? So no read on me, he thinks Vivax looks bad but ACTUALLY I don't want to kill him, and the tone of that last sentence makes me laugh. 'Guys we should probably kill JarJar, if that's ok with you........' Maybe that's me reading into it a bit too much but there's a difference between 'We need to kill JJD right now.' and 'We really should kill JarJar......' Its those damn ellipses or something.
Yeah I'd defs lynch Lazer atm.

Worth noting though is he attacks Lazer for saying Vivax is scummy but he still wanted to lynch JJD because Vivax is active and although his tunneling felt scummy it isn't a scumtell of itself. Maybe I'm misinterpreting him, but half his points against Lazer are for using ellipses? Seriously. Also note despite saying he'd lynch him at this point, he doesn't mention Lazer again in his filter.

He follows that up with indecisive posts on Vivax and Rayn.

Finally his players he wants to look into post:

On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance:
Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him.
Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts.
Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this:
On July 02 2013 03:31 Stutters695 wrote:
I explained why I disagreed with your case. Truth be told I haven't scrutinized his play too much since then but I don't think his "slip" if you want to call it that is indicative of anything, at least not on its own.

I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case?

Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus.
Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens?
On July 02 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote:
I can understand that. Probably a little bias on my part but it just seems so scummy to me. I'll see how he responds and what he comes back with but he's definitely on my short list for d2.

Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.



Marv - "I dont know so I'm going to look at him" very helpful
Fuba - Says the same thing I and multiple others have said. Notice that, once again, there is no conclusion only observations.
Me- Hey a definitive stance! On me again .

Here's why I think this is scummy.

First, obviously how non-committal he is while also using that as his sole point against me.
Second: Blatant misrepresentation.

I still maintain my case on Fuba is pretty damn strong, he still is doing exactly what I laid out. That one is subjective though, whatever. "Never gives the aforementioned reads": This one bugs me. He completely ignores that I agreed with Vivax's case AND provided additional information that helped to secure his lynch pre-claim. Obviously it was wrong and forced a claim which sucks, but that is taking a stance.

Notice how he also tries to pin promised reads on me when I said "I will read up on them later." Blatant misrepresentation to strengthen his case.

The last part of his post is taken completely out of the context of the thread to make me look worse. I was on the chopping block at that point and would have been mislynched through towns passivity. Vivax had been expressing his disagreement with my Fuba case for hours and we had town reads on each other. I needed to work with someone to find a good lynch to both stop my mislynch and maximize the odds of hitting scum.

but on the other hand after looking through his town games he post less as town than scum and had similar process in his reads to this game too esp his latest game when he tunneled someone so in conclusion: He TOTES TOWN Yamato on the other hand needs to step up and so far failed to deliver his promise.
##Unvote
##Vote: Yamato77


On May 06 2015 08:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 08:19 Damdred wrote:
Actually I think we have to lynch Yamato and stutters

No we don't lynch Stutters we lynch Yamato. Stutters has been known as a infrequent poster regardless of his alignment from my research into his meta.


These ones, they look super weird, especially as all you're now using is posting activity to decide his alignment. The entire mafia team has been afk so obviously stutters inactivity could be explained by that but you skip right past it and say he's totes town for it instead. It's kind of a superficial read that looks like you wanted to blend into what people thought.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 07 2015 14:43 GMT
#6244
On May 07 2015 23:38 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay guys I found something interesting about Stutters meta which he busses his teammates as Mafia in 3 of his games as scum and OMGUS scumread a person in 1 game and here the quote of his OMGUS read on Waveofshadow in Basterd Mini Mafia:
On July 03 2013 00:18 Stutters695 wrote:
Any red emphasis is mine

Well WoS's most recent post has me thinking he might be scum.

I'm literally WoS' only scum-read this game. He jumps on my wagon and sheeps Vivax and Rayn (with his only unique reasoning being that I didn't feel like translating his worthless posts in French because I was phone posting).

He twice emphasizes his doubt of my wagon by virtue of four people already being on it.

BUT WAIT
On July 01 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol speaking of Rayn grasping at straws, (somebody mentioned that earlier..?) I certainly love his case on me.
For a guy who talks a lot about towny perspectives, he doesn't even remotely consider the fact that me saying I have nothing to say can be from a towny perspective at all, cause, you know, I had nothing to say at the time. The contradiction he comes up with is not a contradiction at all in my eyes, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right?

I also especially love how hard he pushes me as his main scumread.
I'm still not convinced that he is scum though and I want to look closer when I get the chance at his very recent scumgame as compared to something like CC.

Stutters I was thinking of unvoting you but your recent post gives me pause. You just look so afraid to take a stance on anything. C'est scummy.

Ladies and gents I'm out until later tonight; kid is at the grandparents for the night and you can sure as hell bet I'm not spending free time with the wife at the computer.

He literally hasn't taken a stance on anything to this point and waffled on me because the wagon was too easy when thats literally the exact same thing he said my most recent post was scummy for.

After that he does his summary thing which shows no real analysis just worthless summaries of what we already know.

Wat is this waffly shit? So no read on me, he thinks Vivax looks bad but ACTUALLY I don't want to kill him, and the tone of that last sentence makes me laugh. 'Guys we should probably kill JarJar, if that's ok with you........' Maybe that's me reading into it a bit too much but there's a difference between 'We need to kill JJD right now.' and 'We really should kill JarJar......' Its those damn ellipses or something.
Yeah I'd defs lynch Lazer atm.

Worth noting though is he attacks Lazer for saying Vivax is scummy but he still wanted to lynch JJD because Vivax is active and although his tunneling felt scummy it isn't a scumtell of itself. Maybe I'm misinterpreting him, but half his points against Lazer are for using ellipses? Seriously. Also note despite saying he'd lynch him at this point, he doesn't mention Lazer again in his filter.

He follows that up with indecisive posts on Vivax and Rayn.

Finally his players he wants to look into post:

On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance:
Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him.
Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts.
Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this:
On July 02 2013 03:31 Stutters695 wrote:
I explained why I disagreed with your case. Truth be told I haven't scrutinized his play too much since then but I don't think his "slip" if you want to call it that is indicative of anything, at least not on its own.

I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case?

Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus.
Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens?
On July 02 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote:
I can understand that. Probably a little bias on my part but it just seems so scummy to me. I'll see how he responds and what he comes back with but he's definitely on my short list for d2.

Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.



Marv - "I dont know so I'm going to look at him" very helpful
Fuba - Says the same thing I and multiple others have said. Notice that, once again, there is no conclusion only observations.
Me- Hey a definitive stance! On me again .

Here's why I think this is scummy.

First, obviously how non-committal he is while also using that as his sole point against me.
Second: Blatant misrepresentation.

I still maintain my case on Fuba is pretty damn strong, he still is doing exactly what I laid out. That one is subjective though, whatever. "Never gives the aforementioned reads": This one bugs me. He completely ignores that I agreed with Vivax's case AND provided additional information that helped to secure his lynch pre-claim. Obviously it was wrong and forced a claim which sucks, but that is taking a stance.

Notice how he also tries to pin promised reads on me when I said "I will read up on them later." Blatant misrepresentation to strengthen his case.

The last part of his post is taken completely out of the context of the thread to make me look worse. I was on the chopping block at that point and would have been mislynched through towns passivity. Vivax had been expressing his disagreement with my Fuba case for hours and we had town reads on each other. I needed to work with someone to find a good lynch to both stop my mislynch and maximize the odds of hitting scum.

but on the other hand after looking through his town games he post less as town than scum and had similar process in his reads to this game too esp his latest game when he tunneled someone so in conclusion: He TOTES TOWN Yamato on the other hand needs to step up and so far failed to deliver his promise.
##Unvote
##Vote: Yamato77


Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 08:21 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 06 2015 08:19 Damdred wrote:
Actually I think we have to lynch Yamato and stutters

No we don't lynch Stutters we lynch Yamato. Stutters has been known as a infrequent poster regardless of his alignment from my research into his meta.


These ones, they look super weird, especially as all you're now using is posting activity to decide his alignment. The entire mafia team has been afk so obviously stutters inactivity could be explained by that but you skip right past it and say he's totes town for it instead. It's kind of a superficial read that looks like you wanted to blend into what people thought.

Stutters had been a infreguent poster as both alignments and post less as town from my research of his past games as both alignments. I only looked into his past because of both Damdred and Stutters said to look his past so I did. I know the mafia team been afk but Stutters is more active as scum than town simple as that. I challenge you to look his past games as both alignments if you don't believe me
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 07 2015 15:05 GMT
#6245
that's irrelevant since this game is completely different and the mafia team just did not play at all
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 07 2015 15:07 GMT
#6246
On May 08 2015 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
that's irrelevant since this game is completely different and the mafia team just did not play at all

He prob was sick of me tunneling him hard and lost motivation to play because of that, His content seems to more aligned to his town type of content.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 07 2015 15:19 GMT
#6247
Night 4 Vote Count

indignant (1): Breshke

Not voting (10): ObiWanShinobi, Inspector Javert, Chezinu, Stutters695, sicklucker, Holyflare, Xatalos, Damdred, LightningStrike, indignant

Given the current vote count, indignant is most likely to be choosing the Fight.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
May 07 2015 15:22 GMT
#6248
Yo, a good idea voting is.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 07 2015 15:24 GMT
#6249
On May 08 2015 00:22 indignant wrote:
Yo, a good idea voting is.


you can't die right?
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
May 07 2015 15:26 GMT
#6250
On May 08 2015 00:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 00:22 indignant wrote:
Yo, a good idea voting is.


you can't die right?

Correct.
Inspector Javert
Profile Joined April 2015
314 Posts
May 07 2015 15:29 GMT
#6251
On May 07 2015 23:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 23:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:23 Inspector Javert wrote:
Scummy scummy LS

I have never had such a strong read on you until now.

What can I do to convince you I not scum?


Flip town

Meanie I don't want to die unless I fight scum myself but I wont die in a fight until Day 6 assuming I don't get hit by KP other than fights. I have 9 hp left from my original 15.


Meanie???

You said I was god awful you're the meanie

Meanie!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 07 2015 15:32 GMT
#6252
On May 08 2015 00:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 23:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:23 Inspector Javert wrote:
Scummy scummy LS

I have never had such a strong read on you until now.

What can I do to convince you I not scum?


Flip town

Meanie I don't want to die unless I fight scum myself but I wont die in a fight until Day 6 assuming I don't get hit by KP other than fights. I have 9 hp left from my original 15.


Meanie???

You said I was god awful you're the meanie

Meanie!

We both are meanies lol. But normally you do the dumbest stuff like lynching yourself >.<
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Inspector Javert
Profile Joined April 2015
314 Posts
May 07 2015 15:39 GMT
#6253
On May 08 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 00:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:23 Inspector Javert wrote:
Scummy scummy LS

I have never had such a strong read on you until now.

What can I do to convince you I not scum?


Flip town

Meanie I don't want to die unless I fight scum myself but I wont die in a fight until Day 6 assuming I don't get hit by KP other than fights. I have 9 hp left from my original 15.


Meanie???

You said I was god awful you're the meanie

Meanie!

We both are meanies lol. But normally you do the dumbest stuff like lynching yourself >.<


that was hilarious I have no regrets

At least I didn't get lynched d1 as the cop. c;
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 07 2015 15:42 GMT
#6254
On May 08 2015 00:39 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 08 2015 00:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:23 Inspector Javert wrote:
Scummy scummy LS

I have never had such a strong read on you until now.

What can I do to convince you I not scum?


Flip town

Meanie I don't want to die unless I fight scum myself but I wont die in a fight until Day 6 assuming I don't get hit by KP other than fights. I have 9 hp left from my original 15.


Meanie???

You said I was god awful you're the meanie

Meanie!

We both are meanies lol. But normally you do the dumbest stuff like lynching yourself >.<


that was hilarious I have no regrets

At least I didn't get lynched d1 as the cop. c;

That was Blazinghands fault for giving me the detective pm and also the towns fault for having terrible mafia vocab >.<
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Inspector Javert
Profile Joined April 2015
314 Posts
May 07 2015 15:49 GMT
#6255
On May 08 2015 00:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 00:39 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 08 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 08 2015 00:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:23 Inspector Javert wrote:
Scummy scummy LS

I have never had such a strong read on you until now.

What can I do to convince you I not scum?


Flip town

Meanie I don't want to die unless I fight scum myself but I wont die in a fight until Day 6 assuming I don't get hit by KP other than fights. I have 9 hp left from my original 15.


Meanie???

You said I was god awful you're the meanie

Meanie!

We both are meanies lol. But normally you do the dumbest stuff like lynching yourself >.<


that was hilarious I have no regrets

At least I didn't get lynched d1 as the cop. c;

That was Blazinghands fault for giving me the detective pm and also the towns fault for having terrible mafia vocab >.<


I defended you that game and called people who voted you dumb... Which I rarely do. See I'm not that mean.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 07 2015 15:53 GMT
#6256
On May 08 2015 00:49 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 00:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 08 2015 00:39 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 08 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 08 2015 00:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 07 2015 23:23 Inspector Javert wrote:
Scummy scummy LS

I have never had such a strong read on you until now.

What can I do to convince you I not scum?


Flip town

Meanie I don't want to die unless I fight scum myself but I wont die in a fight until Day 6 assuming I don't get hit by KP other than fights. I have 9 hp left from my original 15.


Meanie???

You said I was god awful you're the meanie

Meanie!

We both are meanies lol. But normally you do the dumbest stuff like lynching yourself >.<


that was hilarious I have no regrets

At least I didn't get lynched d1 as the cop. c;

That was Blazinghands fault for giving me the detective pm and also the towns fault for having terrible mafia vocab >.<


I defended you that game and called people who voted you dumb... Which I rarely do. See I'm not that mean.

You voted me early though claiming I fell to your trap
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 07 2015 15:55 GMT
#6257
Depending on night actions could always go for a tripple lynch...
Inspector Javert
Profile Joined April 2015
314 Posts
May 07 2015 15:56 GMT
#6258
You gotta watch out for bat traps less you get snared.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
May 07 2015 15:58 GMT
#6259
On May 08 2015 00:55 Damdred wrote:
Depending on night actions could always go for a tripple lynch...

At this point - why not?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 07 2015 15:59 GMT
#6260
On May 08 2015 00:56 Inspector Javert wrote:
You gotta watch out for bat traps less you get snared.

We almost lynched scum Day 1 there by Shannies :O
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
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