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Jean Valjean
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Jean Valjean
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On April 28 2015 20:05 marvellosity wrote: I just don't understand why you were pushing a lynch that was a non-starter when there was a very real and tense discussion going on between two other people, who were clearly the only actual choices. The fact you were supposedly happy with a sandroba lynch makes your pushing of Breshke even weirder really, you should absolutely have been pushing for people to vote sandroba over yamato by your own words. I was wasn't I? I clearly said breathe and Sandroba were better lynches than Yamato and that the Yamato lynch was just a shot in the dark on a non-participant. Did you want me to say it repeatedly? Also why do you think the Breshke lynch was a non-starter? The big post of quotes listed up a ton of people who I thought could possibly be convinced of voting with me on Breshke. It's not like I picked him out of the blue. Did you even read my case on him? I almost believe not many peopl have actually read it. Here is a link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24156273 Maybe that's what I need to do to get any attention. Post a ton of the same things over and over again. Your accusation of me suggests that in this game you don't consider people having said something unless they shout it repeatedly from the mountaintop. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
Quite a few changes in the order of players. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On April 29 2015 07:06 indignant wrote: Are you sure? Everything I remember is still in order. No I'm not sure. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On April 28 2015 06:56 Jean Valjean wrote: This post is really bad. Not because it disagrees with me, but because it doesn't get the subtler message that I am completely unable to whip up any kind of votes on Breshke despite being at least somewhat backed by multiple people and what I feel is a very strong case. There exists at least one reason to think Vivax is mafia. In addition he has a completely fake scumread on me so that makes me feel better about killing him too. The reason his scumread is fake is that his only accusation is that my posts are too clean. I'm not entirely sure what too clean means, but if I understand the term correctly, he should have instantly dropped his scumread on me over the night because my play through the last hours of day 1 were absolutely not clean, in fact I responded to people that were accusing me because my play wasn't perfectly clean. I only chose the correct lynch on mafia as my #2 option for the lynch and not #1. Until Breshke flips it can be argued that I made a mistake, which is not something characterized by mafia who are trying to be holier than thou to gain town credit. So with the correctness thing out of the picture there is very little left in Vivax' scumread on me. At best his accusation is some sort of a tone read I suppose? But more likely he simply thinks I am a good target to go after. I will support a Vivax lynch, at least for now and pending further reading. I haven't dived into his filter as I like to do and probably will sleep before I do that. I won't be applying my vote until I've convinced myself one way or the other. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On April 29 2015 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: Jean Valjean aka Bats: Even thoguh I agreed with him on Breshke early on he been pretty meh and normally a bad player I remember him lynching himself in Student IV and it was funny as hell watching it happen :O I may be overreacting here so I'm hoping someone actually gives enough shits to step in and comment. This single read erodes whatever town lean I had on LS based off of Holyflare's point regarding Lightningstrike's reaction to rsoultin giving up. I'm going to break it down. On April 29 2015 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: Jean Valjean aka Bats: I'm not Bats. On April 29 2015 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: Even thoguh I agreed with him on Breshke early on Good, my case on Breshke was a strong one. On April 29 2015 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: he been pretty meh No I haven't. Unless meh means something entirely different where LS comes from. I have been open to challenges about my reads, I have actively presented information and ideas to the thread, including multiple opinions about players backed up by analysis or explanation of why I think what I think. At best it's insulting that he thinks my game has been meh, at worst it simply means he has no idea and "meh" is an easy word to throw in there when talking about a no name player. On April 29 2015 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: and normally a bad player No I haven't been bad. Yes we don't know if my #1 scumread backed by a strong case is mafia, but we do know that my #2 scumread, also backed by a very strong and factually correct case was mafia. I ended up voting on the correct wagon because of precisely this, I am willing to compromise and my intentions were clear through my posts all throughout day 1. Again, at best this is insulting, and at worst he's just throwing it out there because he hasn't read a single word I've said. On April 29 2015 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: I remember him lynching himself in Student IV and it was funny as hell watching it happen :O If we ignore the fact that I am not batsnacks, even if I was what the hell would this sentence have to do with his read on me? Why does this matter? Let's pretend LS hadn't written anything about bats because obviously anything written about bats is both irrelevant to the case at hand and doesn't apply to me, being not bats. So what's left of LS's read on me? I'll post it again. On April 29 2015 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: Even thoguh I agreed with him on Breshke early on he been pretty meh and normally a bad player Why not just straight up admit he hasn't read me instead of posting that is clearly lying on his part. Both of the statement (meh and bad) can be proven to be false by reading my filter, yet he posts them anyway. The following are the possible reasons for posting what he posted in his list: #1: He wants to antagonize me to try to get me to respond and get a read on me. #2: He wants to antagonize me because he's a massive dick #3: He hasn't read anything I've said but felt like he needed to have an opinion on me. I see no indication that #1 is true because he threw out a bunch of other "meh" reads in his list. I cannot comment on all of those simply because I don't have the in-depth analysis of everyone involved to be qualified to speak about it. Maybe LS is just an asshole of a player, but I haven't gotten that feeling from his posting so that leaves me to conclude the correct conclusion is #3. In which case he is mafia because he is making up reads. I'm voting LS. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:16 rsoultin wrote: jean in general seems weird to me? thus the smurf/newbie? question as for this read kinda agree with marv lol >< i don't think he actually got what vivax was saying about "clean" still...the read lacks any comprehension that if someone is already suspicious of you, pushing another case against a player you'd already cased who is getting lynched, and then flips scum, that wouldn't make you look better so, yeah -_- at best this guy isn't the most logical person? he even thinks ls saying he's a "bad player" is separate from ls thinking he's bats lol >< I genuinely dislike you. I don't know if that makes you mafia, but you treat people like shit to try to gain some sort of an intellectual high ground on them when everything you say is at best unsupported and at worst dumb. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:30 marvellosity wrote: why even respond to this instead of the #4 option i presented about your case earlier? i don't get it At the time I wasn't around to post anything that was of much value and I just got annoyed at that post by rsoultin. Regarding your suggestion that maybe he's just bad, I still don't quite get why he would in that case say something that's wrong. Even bad players are capable of just pointing out things that are factually correct. I just think it's weird that he wouldn't simply admit to not having a clue if he didn't. Why is he trying to make it look like he has put more effort into the game than he has? That's what is bothering me. Maybe I was overreacting and I should just stick to Vivax. There really does exist a reason for Vivax being mafia as I explained in my post about his read against me. On April 29 2015 22:35 Xatalos wrote: Jean: rsoul does have a point though in the fact that "clean" doesn't generally mean that your posts are perfect, but rather that they're overly constructed and careful instead of genuine. Sure but why wouldn't I post in a constructed manner? I think my posts are extremely easy to read and help people process my thoughts in a straightforward manner. Why would I immediately post every thought that comes to me like a blathering monkey instead of presenting the things I have to say in a pleasant and constructed manner? It's not like using paragraphs makes me mafia, is it? | ||
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