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Fecalfeast
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
I just don't know exactly what "directly" means. Obviously I can't screenshot a PM, that seems pretty direct. But where's the line? Can I say: "VE said ______"? Can I say "VE said _____ at 10:58 yesterday"? What if 10:58 is a lie? Can I say "VE told me yesterday ______"? I'm getting bad memories of English class you must put it in your own words directions. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On March 26 2015 09:00 Snarfs wrote: Can you clarify this: "You may NOT quote directly any PM you receive from a host or another player." I just don't know exactly what "directly" means. Obviously I can't screenshot a PM, that seems pretty direct. But where's the line? Can I say: "VE said ______"? Can I say "VE said _____ at 10:58 yesterday"? What if 10:58 is a lie? Can I say "VE told me yesterday ______"? I'm getting bad memories of English class you must put it in your own words directions. Almost anything less than a screenshot/direct copy pasting is fine. I would say a good rule is you may neither post or represent that you are posting a direct copy of another player's role PM. This is to prevent scenarios in which players prove something by matching up time stamps/reading the way in which someone wrote something. This rule mainly applies to a host regarding certain PMs you recieve in game. In the case of those I would say the best course of action is to simply paraphrase the information. To be more specific to your questions I am ok with all of them (depends on what fills in the blank, but they look ok) except for the second one. I would err away from that. | ||
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geript
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In regards to trying to reference a pm another player sent, try to err on the side of "putting it in your own words." | ||
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Ace1312
United States10 Posts
In case I am allowed to play this was as well. /in | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 26 2015 09:51 geript wrote: fristed In regards to trying to reference a pm another player sent, try to err on the side of "putting it in your own words." Is this necessary? Not sure why quoting a player PM would be a problem. | ||
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geript
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On March 26 2015 11:35 Ace1312 wrote: I've played a lot of WW, just never at TL. Due to this I signed up for the Newbie game thats about to start. But this one seems REALLY interesting. Is it ok if I sign up for this one as well? I've played a few games with Damdred and Rsoultin at another site, but most of my playing was with friends in real life. In case I am allowed to play this was as well. /in We can add you to the replacement list. Unfortunately, the game is full and we aren't expanding it anymore. On March 26 2015 11:41 kitaman27 wrote: Is this necessary? Not sure why quoting a player PM would be a problem. It's preferable. Mainly because it makes it a bit easier for mafia to fake conversations whereas creating fake pms is relatively difficult/time consuming; especially when demanded to do so on the spot. | ||
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Ace1312
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 26 2015 12:04 VayneAuthority wrote: we have this conversation every PM game but nothing ever actually comes of it because faking anything or posting any incriminating PMs leads you to a 50/50 scenario 1v1 so it is basically never done. Fake PM logs with flipped players are fun though! + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote: Ok so here is the deal. EVERYONE READ THIS POST Radfield masoned me on night one. Nobody can counter claim this. I didn't claim it earlier because I wanted to trap mafia. Obviously, they would have known that I was in contact with him so they would be weary of going after me knowing that I had the claim in my back pocket. Tonight, we lynch the serial killer choaser. Tomorrow, we clean up based on today's mess. Here are my logs. Radfied played it very carefully. He gave me hardly any reads and mainly bussed his own teammates. Its possible I may have missed something however. Everyone should be switching over to chaoser now. Kurumi Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far? Sauron lol hai, who is this? Kurumi I think its best if we remained anonymous for now. Sauron Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am? Kurumi No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random. I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet. Sauron Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3 So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle? Kurumi Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits? Sauron Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle? Kurumi No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me. Sauron Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night. Sauron lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_- Is there anyone that stands out to you so far? Kurumi Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them. JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point. Sauron chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past. Also, what do you make of this: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: Fdehfq ht Ytxm Kurumi chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell. The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now. Sauron Does that mean you think it comes from scum? Kurumi I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch? Sauron I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you? Kurumi DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think? Sauron What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide. sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis? Sauron hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred? Sauron lol guess that answers that -_- Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two. Kurumi Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange: "Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist" As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies. I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list. Sauron Maybe, DrH is a good enough player to plan something like that ahead of time, but I'm not really sure about that post in particular. Sauron Heh iGrok's claim sure did come out of nowhere. What do you think? The timing of his claim is rather weird, since he wasn't really under much pressure. Even if he is telling the truth, he needs to shoot tonight, or else he can use the kp against town later on. Sauron lol a day vig? It looks like he survived, so either syllo is lying about his claim or iGrok was fake claiming. Sauron Now I'm completely lost. Why on earth would draz protect iGrok on night one? All he had was a handfull of one liners and basically had no chance of getting hit. What do you think? Sauron You're not JeeJee are you? Don't get modkilled on me -_- Sauron lol nevermind, he would have flipped blue. >.< Kurumi Sorry, I am back. iGrok's claim makes absoultely no sense as scum. There is no way a mafia would make a claim like that on day two with only three votes on himself. Mafia all have safe claims. No sane scum would claim Barlog, which is clearly not town aligned. I'm thinking we should make him use his shot tonight and use it against the scumteam. Jackal or maybe supersoft would be much better lynches today. Radfield's analysis on Jackal seems pretty convincing, although I'm not sure how much he can be trusted. Sauron Jackal is someone I've also been pretty suspicious of. He is usually the most aggressive player in the game, yet he hasn't really showed that yet. When JeeJee posted a case against him, he completely ignored it, rather than responding or calling it out as a bad argument. lol I can probably narrow down your identity based on the people who haven't voted iGrok :p Kurumi Good luck with that. I'm out for a while, hopefully I come back to a scum lynch. Sauron Oh, are we allowed to still talk after the day ends? As in can we talk during the night before you get a new target? Kurumi Yep. Sauron err doh. At least he was a miller, rather than vanilla or blue. Sauron Any thoughts on who we should be having iGrok shoot tonight? I wonder if he will agree to shoot himself -_- Kurumi He needs to decide who he thinks is most likely scum. We can't claim in the thread because if we tell him to shoot a scum, then the mafia could roleblock him. Sauron I suppose, but at least that would mean mafia wouldn't have a role block to use on anybody else. Kurumi It's fine if you don't want to, but do you want to role claim to me? You don't have to tell me who you are. I won't share it with anybody else, but it might be useful to be able to form a town circle later on where we can coodinate everyones actions. Sauron there aren't pms in the game, besides your random mason. I don't really see how a town circle could be formed at this point. For now, I think I'll hold off on claiming. [b]Kurumi OK that's fine. I won't be back until the day post. Nice chatting with you  Anything else to add? [b]Sauron lol, cya. Maybe you'll get unlucky and get stuck with me again for another cycle ^_^ | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
On March 26 2015 12:24 kitaman27 wrote: Fake PM logs with flipped players are fun though! + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote: Ok so here is the deal. EVERYONE READ THIS POST Radfield masoned me on night one. Nobody can counter claim this. I didn't claim it earlier because I wanted to trap mafia. Obviously, they would have known that I was in contact with him so they would be weary of going after me knowing that I had the claim in my back pocket. Tonight, we lynch the serial killer choaser. Tomorrow, we clean up based on today's mess. Here are my logs. Radfied played it very carefully. He gave me hardly any reads and mainly bussed his own teammates. Its possible I may have missed something however. Everyone should be switching over to chaoser now. Kurumi Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far? Sauron lol hai, who is this? Kurumi I think its best if we remained anonymous for now. Sauron Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am? Kurumi No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random. I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet. Sauron Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3 So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle? Kurumi Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits? Sauron Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle? Kurumi No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me. Sauron Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night. Sauron lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_- Is there anyone that stands out to you so far? Kurumi Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them. JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point. Sauron chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past. Also, what do you make of this: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: Fdehfq ht Ytxm Kurumi chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell. The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now. Sauron Does that mean you think it comes from scum? Kurumi I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch? Sauron I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you? Kurumi DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think? Sauron What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide. sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis? Sauron hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred? Sauron lol guess that answers that -_- Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two. Kurumi Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange: "Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist" As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies. I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list. Sauron Maybe, DrH is a good enough player to plan something like that ahead of time, but I'm not really sure about that post in particular. Sauron Heh iGrok's claim sure did come out of nowhere. What do you think? The timing of his claim is rather weird, since he wasn't really under much pressure. Even if he is telling the truth, he needs to shoot tonight, or else he can use the kp against town later on. Sauron lol a day vig? It looks like he survived, so either syllo is lying about his claim or iGrok was fake claiming. Sauron Now I'm completely lost. Why on earth would draz protect iGrok on night one? All he had was a handfull of one liners and basically had no chance of getting hit. What do you think? Sauron You're not JeeJee are you? Don't get modkilled on me -_- Sauron lol nevermind, he would have flipped blue. >.< Kurumi Sorry, I am back. iGrok's claim makes absoultely no sense as scum. There is no way a mafia would make a claim like that on day two with only three votes on himself. Mafia all have safe claims. No sane scum would claim Barlog, which is clearly not town aligned. I'm thinking we should make him use his shot tonight and use it against the scumteam. Jackal or maybe supersoft would be much better lynches today. Radfield's analysis on Jackal seems pretty convincing, although I'm not sure how much he can be trusted. Sauron Jackal is someone I've also been pretty suspicious of. He is usually the most aggressive player in the game, yet he hasn't really showed that yet. When JeeJee posted a case against him, he completely ignored it, rather than responding or calling it out as a bad argument. lol I can probably narrow down your identity based on the people who haven't voted iGrok :p Kurumi Good luck with that. I'm out for a while, hopefully I come back to a scum lynch. Sauron Oh, are we allowed to still talk after the day ends? As in can we talk during the night before you get a new target? Kurumi Yep. Sauron err doh. At least he was a miller, rather than vanilla or blue. Sauron Any thoughts on who we should be having iGrok shoot tonight? I wonder if he will agree to shoot himself -_- Kurumi He needs to decide who he thinks is most likely scum. We can't claim in the thread because if we tell him to shoot a scum, then the mafia could roleblock him. Sauron I suppose, but at least that would mean mafia wouldn't have a role block to use on anybody else. Kurumi It's fine if you don't want to, but do you want to role claim to me? You don't have to tell me who you are. I won't share it with anybody else, but it might be useful to be able to form a town circle later on where we can coodinate everyones actions. Sauron there aren't pms in the game, besides your random mason. I don't really see how a town circle could be formed at this point. For now, I think I'll hold off on claiming. [b]Kurumi OK that's fine. I won't be back until the day post. Nice chatting with you Anything else to add? [b]Sauron lol, cya. Maybe you'll get unlucky and get stuck with me again for another cycle ^_^ Didn't you also do fake pms in PTP IV? To which austinmcc then countered with real quotes from the scum qt? fun times lol | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Kita I literally just finished re-reading that game. One of the most enjoyable and hilarious games ever. I mean, jeez, I claimed BENIGN NEUTRAL SURVIVOR BALROG! And I got medic-saved! Why? All becouse! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 26 2015 12:24 kitaman27 wrote: Fake PM logs with flipped players are fun though! + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote: Ok so here is the deal. EVERYONE READ THIS POST Radfield masoned me on night one. Nobody can counter claim this. I didn't claim it earlier because I wanted to trap mafia. Obviously, they would have known that I was in contact with him so they would be weary of going after me knowing that I had the claim in my back pocket. Tonight, we lynch the serial killer choaser. Tomorrow, we clean up based on today's mess. Here are my logs. Radfied played it very carefully. He gave me hardly any reads and mainly bussed his own teammates. Its possible I may have missed something however. Everyone should be switching over to chaoser now. Kurumi Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far? Sauron lol hai, who is this? Kurumi I think its best if we remained anonymous for now. Sauron Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am? Kurumi No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random. I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet. Sauron Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3 So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle? Kurumi Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits? Sauron Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle? Kurumi No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me. Sauron Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night. Sauron lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_- Is there anyone that stands out to you so far? Kurumi Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them. JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point. Sauron chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past. Also, what do you make of this: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: Fdehfq ht Ytxm Kurumi chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell. The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now. Sauron Does that mean you think it comes from scum? Kurumi I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch? Sauron I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you? Kurumi DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think? Sauron What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide. sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis? Sauron hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred? Sauron lol guess that answers that -_- Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two. Kurumi Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange: "Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist" As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies. I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list. Sauron Maybe, DrH is a good enough player to plan something like that ahead of time, but I'm not really sure about that post in particular. Sauron Heh iGrok's claim sure did come out of nowhere. What do you think? The timing of his claim is rather weird, since he wasn't really under much pressure. Even if he is telling the truth, he needs to shoot tonight, or else he can use the kp against town later on. Sauron lol a day vig? It looks like he survived, so either syllo is lying about his claim or iGrok was fake claiming. Sauron Now I'm completely lost. Why on earth would draz protect iGrok on night one? All he had was a handfull of one liners and basically had no chance of getting hit. What do you think? Sauron You're not JeeJee are you? Don't get modkilled on me -_- Sauron lol nevermind, he would have flipped blue. >.< Kurumi Sorry, I am back. iGrok's claim makes absoultely no sense as scum. There is no way a mafia would make a claim like that on day two with only three votes on himself. Mafia all have safe claims. No sane scum would claim Barlog, which is clearly not town aligned. I'm thinking we should make him use his shot tonight and use it against the scumteam. Jackal or maybe supersoft would be much better lynches today. Radfield's analysis on Jackal seems pretty convincing, although I'm not sure how much he can be trusted. Sauron Jackal is someone I've also been pretty suspicious of. He is usually the most aggressive player in the game, yet he hasn't really showed that yet. When JeeJee posted a case against him, he completely ignored it, rather than responding or calling it out as a bad argument. lol I can probably narrow down your identity based on the people who haven't voted iGrok :p Kurumi Good luck with that. I'm out for a while, hopefully I come back to a scum lynch. Sauron Oh, are we allowed to still talk after the day ends? As in can we talk during the night before you get a new target? Kurumi Yep. Sauron err doh. At least he was a miller, rather than vanilla or blue. Sauron Any thoughts on who we should be having iGrok shoot tonight? I wonder if he will agree to shoot himself -_- Kurumi He needs to decide who he thinks is most likely scum. We can't claim in the thread because if we tell him to shoot a scum, then the mafia could roleblock him. Sauron I suppose, but at least that would mean mafia wouldn't have a role block to use on anybody else. Kurumi It's fine if you don't want to, but do you want to role claim to me? You don't have to tell me who you are. I won't share it with anybody else, but it might be useful to be able to form a town circle later on where we can coodinate everyones actions. Sauron there aren't pms in the game, besides your random mason. I don't really see how a town circle could be formed at this point. For now, I think I'll hold off on claiming. [b]Kurumi OK that's fine. I won't be back until the day post. Nice chatting with you Anything else to add? [b]Sauron lol, cya. Maybe you'll get unlucky and get stuck with me again for another cycle ^_^ what's even more hilarious everyone except the newbie and Palmar bought it.... | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On March 26 2015 09:34 GreYMisT wrote: Almost anything less than a screenshot/direct copy pasting is fine. I would say a good rule is you may neither post or represent that you are posting a direct copy of another player's role PM. This is to prevent scenarios in which players prove something by matching up time stamps/reading the way in which someone wrote something. This rule mainly applies to a host regarding certain PMs you recieve in game. In the case of those I would say the best course of action is to simply paraphrase the information. To be more specific to your questions I am ok with all of them (depends on what fills in the blank, but they look ok) except for the second one. I would err away from that. Great, thank you | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On March 26 2015 13:15 Crossfire99 wrote: Didn't you also do fake pms in PTP IV? To which austinmcc then countered with real quotes from the scum qt? fun times lol Oh man that was great (austin quoting from scum QT in order to not get lynched) AND not backstabby at all. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 26 2015 11:35 Ace1312 wrote: I've played a lot of WW, just never at TL. Due to this I signed up for the Newbie game thats about to start. But this one seems REALLY interesting. Is it ok if I sign up for this one as well? I've played a few games with Damdred and Rsoultin at another site, but most of my playing was with friends in real life. In case I am allowed to play this was as well. /in ace ace ace! hi! lolol | ||
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