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On April 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Hi. I took a post-lunch nap and the nap took me 6 hours.

Because why not?

Anyway, I took my time to read HF's and Rsoultin's filter and they had very similar reads. I realised they were probably on the right track and got killed for that. Specially HF who has been suspicious day1 but has enough thread presence to guarantee a lynch on his target.

They were suspicious basically on Palmar, Obi and Vivax. Which I realised is an okay scum team.

Obi has no thread influence. He comes by, shuts down discussion and never moves thread forward. He just give random reads that are mostly off, but doesn't clearly has a scum target. He says he wants to lynch both me and ritoky but does nothing in that regard. He conviently lays back and let the rest of the game move on. His insistence of having me revealing HF's game content was weird, as I pointed out before.

Palmar and Vivax flipped their reads conviently too. Vivax decided palmar isn't town after night2 and palmar decided Vivax is town. Neither of them is doing anything with this. Vivax is pushing an AFK yamato wagon, and although yamato has a shot on being Mafia (since we could in fact be in a TvT scenario with Mafia laying back), these reactions fits this team completely.

And yes, I'm assuming I could be tunnelled on Damdy. He still could be Mafia, but I took a step back and I can see him coming from a town perspective. But I can't vote yamato when he is voting him too.

I think the best lynch today should be obi, and I'm voting him.

##Vote:obi

On April 12 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
DAMDY PLEASE LISTEN I AM TOWN HERE, YOU'RE TUNNELED, PLEASE READ MY ARGUMENTS AGAINST OBI AND VOTE HIM

On April 12 2015 14:03 Eden1892 wrote:
Wow shit yes it's ritoky/Vivax. Just looked at votes. No way it's anybody else if you assume obi is town (which is a pretty good assumption).

- It's not anybody who was around to hammer Obi and didn't. (Palmar, Damdred, yamato, sicklucker)
- It's especially not sicklucker who's un-cc'd jailer.
- It's not Koshi (I think) because this still seems like his town game. I admit he's possible but there's no way I lynch him unless we haven't won by the time the other 2 are dead AND he's alive AND he stopped being townie in the meantime.
- It's not Obi because I assume he is town because GB had a hard-on trying to kill him to save himself instead of Vivax or yamato.
- It's not me cuz I'm special.

On April 13 2015 11:57 Damdred wrote:
Hi everyone I just got home from my shift of doom and I wanted to put some thoughts into the thread in case I die by some wifom kill tonight. As such here we go. Day one we had this vote as our final vote, will put hard confirmed by flips.lynches into this first one.

Vivax (1) - DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (7) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892, Rsoultin,

Next blue claims and i'm coloring myself green because confirmed to myself and I think my GB push and lynching mafia is pretty good ^_-. Just a couple of thoughts before I go to the day 2 vote count to see some things.

I don't believe that the DR wagon can be entirely town based, I think at least one mafia was on that way. Like really sure that mafia was either in a position to afk or jumped off at some point after the wagon gained enough votes for them to shenanigans onto someone else without much consequence I'll come back to that thought and go into a bit more detail near the end.

Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Sicklurker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear

Once again confirmed people colored in and I colored myself green.

To start off my thoughts. Its interesting to me that Ritoky voted on Yamato like he did. The choices were (obi and myself were on Yamato at the time) help Palmar push GB when he wasn't in the thread, vote Vivax with Yamato (who ritoky was previously town reading) or vote Yamato with Vivax, Obi and Damdred.

He says he really likes Palmars case the best out of all of this but decides to push Yamato ahead, as I mentioned before Ritoky had a hard hard town read on Yamato previously in D1 but decides to vote him d2 even though he has little to no interaction with him and even though he loves the GB case presented by Palmar and knows his town read Damdred would jump on a GB lynch he doesn't go that way onto confirmed mafia and instead he jumps onto Yamato pushing him ahead of Vivax 4-3 or 4-3-1 ahead of Vivax and GB at this point. He then goes back to afk land.

I think this heavily implies that Ritoky who would normally go against the grain in this situation and vote his favorite case instead of one that he thinks just isn't bad is scum in this scenario. I don't see any other way after re-reading how the voting went down.

I know its been pointed out before but the way Ritoky went about the vote D1 is strange as well, (and feeds into my above point) he was so strongly town reading yamato at that point he was following him wherever he went even if it meant not jumping onto GB who he admittedly wanted to at that point in time. Has to be Ritoky here I think based on association and his weird progression on voting Yamato.

I also think if Ritoky is mafia it clears Yamato a bit since Ritoky hammered him basically and there was little to no push to move the vote off Yamato. This is a bit weaker at this point especially since he keeps fading in and out of afk land but I think it makes me not want to lynch him if Ritoky flips scum.

Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Sicklurker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear

Now we get to the bit of a logical leap about what happened with the votes.

There are only three partners that I think Ritoky/GB can potentially have with how the vote went down.

The most likely due to how the votes spontaneously moved about would be Vivax. When myself and Obi moved from Yamato to GB at that point in time we effectively hammered Vivax with that move, even though votes are tied it switches from 4-3-1 (Yamato, Vivax, GB) to 3-3-2 (Vivax, GB, Yamato) if we hadn't of had GB start pushing obi at that point Eden wouldn't of moved to obi more than likely and Vivax would of been lynched.

What is the motivation though to flip a lynch from town Vivax to town Obi if you lynch yourself? I don't think that there is motivation in doing this if you can't guarantee your own survival if both are town, I just don't see it. The only scenario that makes sense to me is that Vivax is a more powerful/important scum team member and GB was trying to save the RB at that junction of the game. It makes the most sense with how the vote went.

The second partner that makes sense is Eden with the ferocity that he tried to hit the votes off of GB and onto Obi. It could very well be Eden was doing that, but I have a hard time that scum Eden would hard align himself with partner GB like that.

The third scenario is that Obi bussed GB into the ground and GB was trying to give him as much cred as possible to take into the end game for the hard carry. This is slightly more likely than 2 especially with how fake the push from GB felt and how contrived it felt also. But I also don't want to give this much thought until we see what Ritoky/Vivax flip at this point without new information.

Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Sicklurker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear

the green on Eden probably is the lightest and obi is probably the most tinfoil at this moment as a last resort that I don't really believe when he could of hammered Yamato over scum partner GB.

On April 09 2015 12:07 ritoky wrote:


lol you serious, you just convinced me onto DR

On April 14 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:


i mean it puts vivax on exactly scum RB as a role, which is an ambitious claim for a couple reasons:

1) does mafia really think that would go unnoticed?
2) is GB really a team player over a selfish mafia player?
3) does the mafia think they can push a lynch on someone other than vivax if it is uncovered?

to answer my own questions, the mafia team is probably not stupid enough to make such a blatant play, GB doesn't strike me as the kinda player to save his teammates over himself, and look who every1 is trying to lynch.

i don't really know what the point of what i just typed is, but w/e it is what i thought when i read it.

On April 14 2015 14:58 yamato77 wrote:
To elaborate on my thoughts on ritoky, I really can't say with any degree of certainty one way or the other, BUT I do think he's played quite different later in the game than he did early and the change isn't a good one. HOWEVER, I had a really strong townread D1 and it's hard to ignore that even on D3. So yeah, I said I'd lynch him because he's certainly possible mafia.

A huge towncase on Obi is not convincing whatsoever. It's actually kinda scummy that instead of looking at people that have a higher chance of being scum, ritoky chose to use his efforts calling Obi town when GB just yelled for his lynch all of yesterday.

I find it interesting that Vivax really hasn't posted much of anything besides calling me scum. Is he capable of posting big posts calling me mafia with horrible confirmation bias and then throwing shit at a wall repeatedly as scum? Absolutely. His posts about OTHER THAN ME are markedly few and far between and seem quite lower quality. I only offered him the olive branch in an attempt to rid myself of tunneling him and he hasn't played along whatsoever.

Koshi's posting today LOOKS really townie in a "I'm going to post a bunch and look like I'm figuring out the game" sort of way while maintaining a consistent attitude in terms of how he's treating his interaction with me and my read on him. I don't think it's him.

So yeah, I'm back at ritoky/Vivax.

On April 14 2015 17:40 Vivax wrote:
It's Koshi and yamato. All I gotta say.

On April 15 2015 04:02 Vivax wrote:


No thx I'm already doing five times the game diving of y'all, it's time to step it up we need to lynch mafia or lose

On April 15 2015 04:12 Vivax wrote:
Ok, I'll autopilot on ritoky then and not take any responsibility for the outcome. Reads are ticked in and if I was right you were bad.


##Unvote
##Vote ritoky

GL, I'm out. Shit game.