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Damdred
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yamato77
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On April 09 2015 08:09 Holyflare wrote: I have a slight scummy read on gb but he's claimed vigilante so willing to let it play out. I'm not going to stop a dr lynch unless he claims his name ever. On April 09 2015 08:21 Holyflare wrote: You absolutely should know gb is terrible and easily capable of posting useless shit as town and that looks like a classic useless gb omg you mafia cz you don't think like this post. So it's terrible that you continued on that route. Also that post when it's crunch time and someone needs to be lynched before bed??? Baaaad On April 09 2015 08:50 Holyflare wrote: I'm not going to lynch a claimed vigi on day 1 ever. Especially if that person has been afk for this period of time. It's a terrible reason to scum read someone for afking when they are usually high activity (me included) On April 09 2015 08:59 Holyflare wrote: No he's not scummier than the alternatives because half your points on him are moot when you realise gb is bad and says that shit all the time. 9/10 people that claim blue at the very start of the game are town anyway so it's bad to make that connection with galaxy and I'm more than capable of looking past blue claims and scum reads to see their overall play. I don't want to lynch gb today so stop it. On April 09 2015 09:05 Holyflare wrote: I have no idea why you're even trying to talk me into lynching gb when I'm just not going to so you're going to have to talk around me and fight for why he's a better lynch than DR. On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote: Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote: Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr. On April 09 2015 11:36 Holyflare wrote: No that's not the only point. Dr has multiple instances of asking questions and not giving a shit about the follow up (see him asking me about vivax and not giving a shit about my answer on his return). Spotting my reads means he's actually looking at all of my posts individually and is very likely why he called me town (looking for secrets). Keeping them hidden and berating eden for making them public is like having a secret town circle with someone feeding you information as it goes along, making that public hurts the agenda. Gb is also awful and makes awful posts as town. +he's afk. On April 09 2015 12:43 Holyflare wrote: Let's lynch gb! On April 09 2015 12:44 Holyflare wrote: Hehe just kidding On April 10 2015 10:40 Holyflare wrote: Also if I do die, gb is probably town so all that trash palmar was throwing on me for pushing towns, realise how awful and hypocritical it is. Then realise obi has 0 reasoned scum reads and only posts sarcastic comments 24/7. LOOK AT HOW MANY TIMES THIS GUY DEFENDED GB D1/N1, HE MUST BE MAFIA oh wait... | ||
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ritoky
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yamato77
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On April 15 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote: Yamato do you think ritoky is town here? I think he took everything I've ever said about GB and managed to spin it in a way that makes it sound like I was actually his mafia partner, while omitting the crucial thought processes that show why I had such an inconsistent read. look, being indecisive is NOT how I play mafia. I don't waffle about, I have absolute stances and I fucking stick to them. indecision is a HALLMARK of my town play. my reads are in constant flux and often change on very little because I'm attempting to get a feel for someone's play and it often changes based on their own mood and such | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 15 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote: You saw the tree and missed the forest. It isn't because you defended GB, it is because your reason for defending him was utter horseshit to start, and then it got invalidated yet you maintained your defense. I never even defended him, except to decide that I DIDN'T LIKE THE PEOPLE VOTING HIM my soft townread of him was WEAK, and mostly based on the fact that I DIDN'T THINK MAFIA COULD BE SO STUPID you know, just like Eden, the guy who was actually town? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
it's easy to make 2 day old reads from 24 hours into the game look bad. I'm not impressed by your inability to think critically. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 15 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote: You saw the tree and missed the forest. It isn't because you defended GB, it is because your reason for defending him was utter horseshit to start, and then it got invalidated yet you maintained your defense. also, it didn't get invalidated, because DR defending GB WAS NOT THE ONLY REASON I HAD HIM AS SLIGHT TOWN fucking shit, I EVEN THOUGHT A GB WAGON WAS A GOOD IDEA AT SOME POINT jesus it's such a shit accusation, literally on Vivax level of stupid | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
I remember reading him town day 1 because he telegraphed his play in a way that seemed honest to me about how he was going to try and play more withdrawn and post less, but then ultimately he couldn't help himself and started posting a lot more. It just read to me like someone who wanted to make an honest change, but just couldn't hold themselves back. To me it was quite town indicative and until this phase I hadn't really considered him anything other than town for it. The reasons why koshi could be mafia are basically 2-fold: he has been too wrong for town koshi and he has not really gone for the lynch targets he wants. The been too wrong part is pretty self explanatory. The not pushing his lynch targets. When I think of town koshi I think of him trying to lynch me in XXX even though I am the towniest miller who ever towned. Or way back when where him and I wanted to lynch chromatically for 3 straight days and yelled at the town mafia siding the entire way and were relentless. I don't see his drive and passion to get his lynches this game which could be mafia indicative. I have a real hard time coming off of my day 1 read on him though, but if he thinks I am mafia he is wrong on literally everything. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 15 2015 07:05 ritoky wrote: Having glanced through Koshi's filter, a few quick comments: I remember reading him town day 1 because he telegraphed his play in a way that seemed honest to me about how he was going to try and play more withdrawn and post less, but then ultimately he couldn't help himself and started posting a lot more. It just read to me like someone who wanted to make an honest change, but just couldn't hold themselves back. To me it was quite town indicative and until this phase I hadn't really considered him anything other than town for it. The reasons why koshi could be mafia are basically 2-fold: he has been too wrong for town koshi and he has not really gone for the lynch targets he wants. The been too wrong part is pretty self explanatory. The not pushing his lynch targets. When I think of town koshi I think of him trying to lynch me in XXX even though I am the towniest miller who ever towned. Or way back when where him and I wanted to lynch chromatically for 3 straight days and yelled at the town mafia siding the entire way and were relentless. I don't see his drive and passion to get his lynches this game which could be mafia indicative. I have a real hard time coming off of my day 1 read on him though, but if he thinks I am mafia he is wrong on literally everything. "too wrong to be town" is literally the stupidest thing I've ever read the other point I've already brought up 0/0 for 0 effort | ||
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Damdred
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ritoky
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Also have you played with town Koshi before? Guy has pretty good reads. So while too wrong doesn't apply to most, I hold him to a higher standard. Like I do HF. | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
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Palmar
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Damdred
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I don't know if necessarily that's indicative at all, or a good heuristic. I'm pretty sure it's not hobestly | ||
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Palmar
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ritoky
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If I am going on memory alone. I have a stronger town indicator on Koshi from day 1 than I do from you over the course of the game, but you think I am town and Koshi doesn't seem to think so; which puts me in the gray zone on which one of you I think is mafia. I need to dive filters to find out which, but I don't have the time right now. I wish I had a stronger opinion with more firm reasons, and tbqh if I was mafia I probably would have a more definitive stance to try and buy one of your votes. But I don't and I won't until I do the leg work in your guys' filters. | ||
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Damdred
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On April 15 2015 07:17 Palmar wrote: Damdy do you think Koshi's outrage earlier was genuine? It seemed real and genuine to me. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On April 15 2015 07:13 Damdred wrote: Of course town Koshi is right a lot, but he's wrong to. Marv is right a ton wrong more. I don't know if necessarily that's indicative at all, or a good heuristic. I'm pretty sure it's not hobestly Yeah maybe it is a crap reason to have a read, but I can tell you with certainty that when Koshi and HF start voting on towns, I start worrying about them a bit. Regardless of if it is bad, it is a function that occurs in my brain and I am not gonna deny it. | ||
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Damdred
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On April 15 2015 06:46 yamato77 wrote: If it was me I'd be proud of my play this game, but it isn't. My read of GB was bad but whatever, I lumped him in with Eden and that was obviously a mistake. Was this towards ritoky or toward the thread yamato | ||
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