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From HTS case http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=56#1104
Then we get this.
On April 12 2015 02:22 Tubesock wrote:
Town, don't do any stupid shinanny shit. Vote Dwarf or vote Plotspot. He's not looking good either.
Now wait a minute - here's the kicker - this comes RIGHT after prplhz calls attention to lynching Soren or Stutters
On April 12 2015 05:13 Tubesock wrote:
Stutters. Well, he has like 5 posts but they seem to have content and I read them and think he's at least thinking about the game. I think he's WAY more towny and useful than Dwarf or even Plotspot considering his weirdness.
So this tells me that Tube is townreading Stutters.
So HTS, you are trying to sell that nothing happened in the 3 hours that transpired in between my two posts? And that my posts that followed I wasn't thinking about the game to figure it out? Also, that I'm going to totally marry myself to a read based on "5 posts but they seem to have content and I read them and think he's at least thinking about the game."
You're suggesting that I would use sheeping as a reason to go onto your scumread to gain towncred. That essentially I would bus a mafiamate to gain the cred of SHEEPING a townread. How long would that towncred last? The I'm not seeing the risk reward for this if I were mafia.
If you are really hung up on the rosetta stone thing I will find the specific quotes I was talking about.
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On April 10 2015 09:43 plotspot wrote:
So If I say I like the people I like to win regardless whether they are mafia or town, what would you guys be able to read?
On April 10 2015 09:20 plotspot wrote:
This is kinda like a bondage game. Certain sure-fires signs have to be make to appeal to reality. Arghh help I knocked on the bed 3 times. haha
These. Why didn't I ask him to explain? Well, I don't think the explanation would really help me either way. I think he says he likes competitive people. Is that alignment indicative? Do I really care? How does knowing these sentences make any difference?
What is clear, is that neither post is trying to solve the game nor visibly scumhunt. Why bother when I have plenty of other posts to look at?
I just reread his filter again and I don't see any scumhunting. I thought his behavior was interesting enough to keep around another day. Was he town? Not while he was alive.
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On April 13 2015 13:51 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote:On April 13 2015 07:54 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow....hope to actually play with you next time HF.
Reasons why HF was killed that I can think of
1. HF can read another vet well or is good at this game? I have no experience with the guy
2. Scum doesn't want to reveal anything
3. Scum is not worried about anyone so far
#2 is probably most likely...if anyone think #3 is very possible we might need to check our highly townread people in the game (bresh? tube?) or doublecheck at the highly scumread right now (dwarf? stutters?) this post was interesting to me have you looked into who you think is scum given the second option yet? I started it, im super behind on my reads sheet so I tried to go with whoever it appeared were each persons top 3 scum. It has a lot of issues with is but in general there were some people who weren't being scummed much and some people who were being towned a ton. People who weren't on top town or top scum the most: Onegu HTS JJB Tube People who were top 3 town most: Prp Tube Bresh JJB Granted, this analysis has flaws. And note I AM ON BOTH, so if anything it I'm showing that I am not altering the analysis AT ALL. I think if I had my reads stuff updated this would be better, and there was a few people that it was hard to tell who their top scum/town were while others it was easier to ascertain.
You are leaving out percentages! Am I at 89% or 90%? Haha sorry I thought I was really funny and didn't realize I was being a dick during that game. Sorry I murdered you.
How do I use this information?
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On April 13 2015 14:07 rsoultin wrote:
uhhh i meant...maybe i got the options mixed up? we can both be idiots lol ><
i don't know what your lists mean or what conclusion you've drawn from them, is what i'm trying to say
yo tube what about my case on hts?
I'm going to need some time to digest that. I read it, but I'm also kinda irritated she's trying to fling scum on me for doing the same thing she did. I think I was very clear on why I switched. I need to make sure I'm not just OMGUSing her.
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First "read" on Stutters here:
On April 12 2015 04:55 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 23:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Stutters695. Checking his filter and I mostly see questions. Looks like he doesn't really have own opinion but is asking others what do they think. One read from Dwarf, and this is pretty much it. Then again all I remember from Stutters IS questions. Hmmm.
Talks a couple times about Stutters. Then:
On April 12 2015 05:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Oh shit....just read Stutters' filter now, and I see where both Dwarf and prplhz are coming from.
His posts aren't exactly driving discussion.
Also I looked at the timestamps of when Stutters said he'll look into plotspot and when he voted him.
15 hours and change. So my previous possibility of "being in the middle of analysis" is off the table.
2 minutes after that Prplhz vovtes Stutters says he's going for a run. Later he says he thought HTS was going to take up the banner. "Oh shit..." implies surprise and epiphany type emotion doesn't it? HTS says something about Dwarf's point on Stutters and she disagrees with the Stutter's Breshke read. I also vote Stutters. It's all in the same minute; 22 minutes from deadline. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=45#894
Continuing reading from that link, it can't be possible that she gave Stutters695 any deep real analysis. She did continue to case Postplot. She was still asking me stuff about Dwarf. I think it looks like she's contemplating him. She does make another big case post on Postplot that lands at 7 minutes prior to deadline. She's really thinking about Stutters AND building a fairly big post on Postplot???
Then she "pushes" Stutters in 3 posts all within 5 minutes of deadline.
Can someone tell me how this makes sense as town? My problems is why would mafiaHTS basically start a wagon off town? But then she still pushed the original wagon?
I read her cases and I think some of them are contrived. In the JoaT game she was ninja. I scummed and cased her HARD for her actions prior to the town lynch of Sicklucker. I kind of caught her? She was 3P (third party) and NotTown. I'm feeling the same thing here (nottown). She was caught up on why Dwarf said something 3 times like it makes him scummy but not the other half billion things he was doing that was scummy. She has mentioned how "not having new" ideas is scummy. I think in that bringing up past 3 times thing is her way of bringing "new" information. Trying to look towny. Her other stuff is just nitpicky. It's not the motivation behind her targets actions it's the inconsistencies of it. Well, town can be inconsistent. It happens. It's all about motivation.
Add in Rsoultin's case and interactions. Prplhz's arguments. Yeaaaaaah. She's mafia.
##Vote: Half the Sky
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On April 13 2015 09:15 rsoultin wrote:
like, if she honestly doesn't care which gets lynched and thinks they're both scum, yet alone is questioning whether or not stutters is bussing, i don't see why she doesn't just stay on plot. from a townie perspective it doesn't make much sense
says she doesn't like both, wonders aloud if stutters is bussing, concludes he isn't cause he's a vet, then switches to him too late? lol ><
Add in where she talks about how bussing has been popular lately too...
On April 10 2015 09:48 Half the Sky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2015 09:40 Bourneq wrote:
Whats with the scumread on me? And prplhz is trying to lynch me so why do you think we are both scum? Before I AFKed, I didn't like your paralysis. I know you are extremely new to mafia (and I took this into account) so I tried to work with you on why you didn't think prp's comment drew no emotion. The "forum context" response I could not tell whether it was sarcasm or intentional evasion so I further questioned you and I get this: On April 10 2015 06:33 Bourneq wrote:
It did not make me think anything. Now that you ask it seems he is at least trying to start a discussion. The problem I have with this is you are telling me what he is doing and not so much how it makes you feel as far his alignment is concerned. I realise maybe I'm hard to understand at times - not a native speaker here either - so I'm trying to spell things out as much as I can. Bussing has been a thing in D1 amongst scumteams lately. It's possible you both are scum.
So, she earlier says bussing is popular lately. and the next time she mentions bus is to justify switching.
Uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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to be clear, I have a hard time with telling people how bussing has been popular so it can't town Bourneq since Prp could be bussing him, but then base someone's life on the odds that his partner is bussing him or not.
After spending several hours casing the other partner.
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On April 14 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 00:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On April 14 2015 00:29 Trfel wrote:Hm, I might have a cool way to read Half the Sky. But if she really is scum here, maybe I should just not reveal it until next game  I'd better check my meta first, though. On an unrelated note: On April 10 2015 06:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Hey, im not at least the last one  I'm sad now  Why you are sad Im happy  it lives! xP dwarf, you got anything for me? i want to know what you thiiiink who is scum? who is town? what do you think of my case and what do you think of stutters? My top town pick would be Tubesock. He is going way over the top hunting me so he is not likely to be mafia. Am I some kind of threat to mafia? I haven't done almost anything. Except... Tinfoil hat mode onlineHe is doing this on purpose. He makes himself look like town with this but in reality he is part of the mafia. That's thing to remember. Also, I think HtS said she has played before with Tubesock and saw his tinfoil hat theories. If Tubesock was town that time and now he is mafia, its great way to do again that to act like town  My top scum/(most likely to be) is Stutters695. My earlier post is still valid. I just find him suspicious.
This is your first (maybe 2nd) towny post of the game. He's showing paranoia and that he's at least thinking about one person. Albeit his accuser. It does make me think why he hasn't attacked me with personal insults like usually what happens to me. See my filter in Carol and JoaT for reactions. Although, it was a day and a half ago or so and it might just have taken him this long to generate a reason to point suspicion. And of course mindfucking.
Dwarf responded with golf claps and another post where I thought he was trolling and mocking me . Now he submits a tinfoil on me. First glance I just laughed. Like he's hilarious I really like him. tinfoiling the tinfoiler is hilarious! Now is he trolling or teasing? Both? Are they the same? I still don't see scumhunting or solving the game but he's at least making me laugh.
As far as the tinfoil theory. If I rolled mafia I think I could try that. I would have to keep up the pace. I don't think I could fabricate enough tinfoils to maintain activity levels. I would think tinfoiling marries you to putting in lots of effort and if you drop off it's very visible. Much easier to just do pushes or something enough to avoid being lynched and/or a couple townreads. Safer too.
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Bourneq,
Why did you vote Plotspot? I am not seeing it in your filter. I'm only really seeing your case on Prplhz and a fairly big listpost I already responded to.
There was some confusion though in one of your answers talking about OMGUS. I said I thought you were OMGUSing Prplhz a bit and why I wasn't really considering your case on him. (Plus, I think I was townleaning on him at the time).
Can you elaborate? Where are you? You haven't posted since the Plot lynch.
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Stutters,
Do you still have 4 (now 3 I suppose) people you would like to see hang? I assume Prp, but do you still want to hang Breshke?
I'm not finding the last one in your filter.
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On April 14 2015 05:03 Stutters695 wrote:
I would disagree with that being an answer.
Anyways, until I think of a better way to word that what do you think about prpl?
Are you being serious about asking Trfel why he changed his "scum read" on his slot he replaced into?
I'm missing something.
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I'm around.
Prplhz, what's your current read on Dwarf?
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On April 12 2015 05:54 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 05:46 Onegu wrote:
So we have a scum claim and you dummies don't want to lynch the shit out of him!?
Please tell me what I am missing? Or is it just that you guys are being bad. Where is your vote again?
He set his vote shortly after that. He forgot to change it (drugs presumably)
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On April 14 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
dwarf is probably town and there's a ton of people i'll lynch before him.
i didn't drop you stutters? lol?
So no change? We're halfway through Day 2. Has he done anything towny?
Who are the ton you'd lynch before him? aside from what Bourneq and Stutters?
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On April 14 2015 08:59 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 08:53 Stutters695 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:24 prplhz wrote:
reading some of strutters other games he can live for now And your refusal to interact with me. You sure aren't doing much if you suspect me. i am giving you pause to actually play the game. if you're town you had a 1 page lazy disinterested filter on d1. come d2 i say "i might not be right so i'll give you pause to actually start playing". there's nothing to interact with you about as i don't believe you've actually done anything yet. the interaction you want is "tell me the things you saw in my filter that you expect me to do if i'm scum and the things you expect me to do if i'm town" and that's not happening for obvious reasons.
Prp, when are you going to reevaluate Dwarf? When does he need to actually start playing this game if he's town?
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I think you're right Breshke. No reason for someone to not claim RB.
Trfel said he still wasn't caught up. I think he's only to the end of the Day 1? He's looking pretty towny though. Course, he could be doing this as scum to solidify his entrance but that seems like a lot of work.
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On April 14 2015 12:25 Stutters695 wrote:Sup bb
I'm sorry I voted you.
I'm agreeing more and more with your case. I'm starting to think he was setting up some chaos for the next day on anyone who shenanied with him. At first I thought it was HtS making the play, but she's looking towny for that deep analysis she's been doing (and presumeably continuing to do)
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On April 14 2015 12:32 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 12:25 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.
D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.
I have two questions for you.
1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1? 1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore. 2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway. They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide. Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so... I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase. ##UnvoteI currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him. Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely. Why? Who is going to prot the new guy? Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed. There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role. If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.) Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase. ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^ There is no setup with both doc and vet? Idk if im misreading what you mean but there is 1 of vigi/cop and one of vet/medic Im saying because of mafias roleblock im like 85% sure we have a vet. I could go further and say there is probably a vigi aswell but that logic comes down to personal preference and how much they thought HF would be a threat. ummm yes that is exactly what i just said xP Yeah i thought i was misreading Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:28 Tubesock wrote:
I think you're right Breshke. No reason for someone to not claim RB.
Trfel said he still wasn't caught up. I think he's only to the end of the Day 1? He's looking pretty towny though. Course, he could be doing this as scum to solidify his entrance but that seems like a lot of work. I agree i like trefels analysis (maybe partly because he kind of agrees with me on HTS). Who do you want to lynch currently tube is it still HTS?
##Unvote
Well, I can still lynch Dwarf. I'm thinking about Prplhz. I don't understand why he's so hard defending him. Well, I mean I see his reasons. But why were Plot and Bourneq any different? Or Stutters prior to his Prp case? My tinfoil is saying that he set up the shenany to set up a mlynch the next day. It's pretty easy to see that EoD weirdness will get a lot of talk. We've done nothing but scum random people all for the same reasons.
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Thing is, Prplhz was nice to me about my tinfoil hat theory. And haha I've only seen mafia be assholes to me for that sort of thing. I guess it means I'm wrong on Dwarf, or Prp is town, or I'm right still on the read but not reasons and Prp sees easy arguments to shoot me down.
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