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On April 17 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:05 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:00 prplhz wrote:
like explain to me why rso is considering that there is an unclaimed vet right now. she is essentially saying that we are in lylo and someone has a red check that they have decided not to tell the town. i could be nailing her completely for that right now but i just burnt my fingers on that way too ma From her explanation before she isn't really she just doesn't want to call me confirmed because my play has been off. it is fair but she doesn't understand that she saw shinings blue soft posts and i didnt so when she moved off his wagon and onto TBD who i thought was null and it just seemed like he was getting hammered into oblivion it put up red flags for me and only made my prior albeit small suspicions on the shining even strong and linked her to him. This being said I can udnerstand this from her point of view because she told me to go back and read and i did but i still didn't pick up on those posts (i assume thats why you said go back and read idk?). Anyway all this amounts to her not wanting to call me confirmed because theres that little nagging thing in the back of hr mind thats like wtf if this guys scum i dont want to lose to him. Well thats how i see it anyway. Like look at her post she said im the towniest of the 6 unconfirms im basically confirmed to her she just is being stubborn. lol >< kinda? i dunnae it was obvious to me, so i figured it would be obvious to anyone paying attention, but i'm not going to sit there and go I THINK SHINING IS BLUE LOOK AT WHAT HE JUST SAID when he's not getting lynched anyway lol >< saying any townie who wasn't retarded would never lynch shining today was toeing the line enough lol you focusing in on that made me flail; i only wanted to mention prp but actually i'm hoping something i'm not going to talk about, but regardless i think you're way more likely to be town here than scum ><
nah i know pointing it out defeats the point but I honestly just didn't see it and i think thats where most of the troubles have come from.
On April 17 2015 14:10 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 13:57 prplhz wrote:
whatever, okay i'm going to vote with breshke here and hope he realizes whatever. he's town and he's not going to die. breshke you control my vote. who are you voting right now? I honestly dno between tube and bourne. How long until you are leaving and will you be back at all before the lynch? Also i am going to die if we don't kill the RB. prp this is important for you to respond to. Like give me hours or whatever that you can even check in in case you need to change you vote. We need all town voting together and i obviously think you may still be town here. i don't know exactly but i'll let you know.
Cheers. Im really intrested in what shining has to say. Also bourne when he reaprears
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On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why?
because 100% im mafia so if YOU WERE town mafia doesn't care because you are just wasting your time
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Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case.
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On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care.
So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players?
Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today.
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On April 17 2015 14:58 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today. He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah
Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part.
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On April 17 2015 15:02 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:58 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today. He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part.
oops you just answered. Who is your least sure townread then?
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On April 17 2015 15:00 Trfel wrote:
So. What does a scumteam do when two suspected players claim blue, leaving them close to losing the game due to process of elimination?
First thing they ought to do is counterclaim. I think that scum ought to counterclaim at MYLO, at least once. I'm really surprised that they didn't, this either indicates that the scumteam is not very skilled or has an extremely weak thread presence, such that their chances of pulling it off were minimal (or the best counterclaimer was the roleblocker, and it wasn't deemed worth the risk). I can't assume that the scum team is really that incompetent, so I assume that they didn't have the thread presence to pull it off.
Therefore, scum wants to probe as many places as possible, and try to see what sticks. If scum can cast doubt on one of the townread players, that is huge for their chances of winning. Town simply has to make sure that they don't get dragged down under the desperate scum attacks, and then make one or two good reads, and it's a win.
I think my "play that shall not be named" mad it really hard for scum the CC the vigi. If you look at it from me what we now know that I am town and that shining is town.
Also I think that as I had could at least try explain some of my play due to being vet it would have been difficult for scum to CC me there aswell.
I also think that if tube is scum he most definitely flirted with the idea of counterclaiming if you look at his play.
On April 17 2015 15:02 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:56 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. tube, is truffle your most sure scumread right now? -prods- this is more important than the argument back and forth Yes by far. I think he was faking being town this last day to get us to lynch today. I think he was trying to get credit for "leading town" and I don't think it's a towny direction.
Yeah but im town and i also thought lynching was a good idea. Lynching was the play to win whereas no lynching was the play to not lose.
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Im here tube but you seem more itnrested in arguing with trefel than expanding on your bourne read with me
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On April 17 2015 15:02 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:58 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today. He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part.
Ignore the boldded
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TUBE WHO CARES ABOUT TREFEL TALK TO ME
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On April 17 2015 15:55 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 15:43 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 15:02 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:58 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today. He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part. Ignore the boldded What's there to say? I already answered this. Did you see anything about his read list? It literally had scum on every single person. Trfel was like "Ooooh I like this post" because whatever "even if he scumreads inactivity". He didn't notice at all that there were literally 11 scumreads in it. I ask Bourn about it later he says he didn't know what null was. Which whatever he's knew, then later he only has 2 scum reads. Does a massive post on Prplhz but on TBD and Plot. I excused him because I thought he was learning. I don't know why. I think he was more useful that TBD. I'm grabbing a bite to eat so forgive me if I don't keep up the proper post per minute quota.
Okay thankyou. Now who are you least sure is town. JJB, prp, Rso,
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Okay tubes gone missing. I suddenly got really nervous that we all just thought prp and jjb couldnt be together but jjb has literally only been pushing prp today and i can follow his logic quite easily so just based on jjb's play i don't think that is a world.
So before i go and maybe read more filters im going to do some shit tier analysis.
Confirmed town
Breshke
Shining.
That leaves
Trefel
Tube
JJB
Prp
Bourne
Rso
I want to effectivly split this group of 6 into three different groups.
Group A : JJB and Prp
JJB is the only non confirmed town on prp's wagon on a vote that wa something like 4 to 5. For them to be scum together JJB would have to effectively think it was safe for him to afk his vote on a partner and think it was a good idea to solely push his lynch in mylo.
Group B : Trefel and tube
Tube has come out fairly hard against myself and trefel today. Trefel has reacted to this by pushing back on tube and kind of antagonizing him. In my books this kind of makes them both look worse so I don't think they can both be scum. If someone disagrees with this say because this is where my idea is the weakest.
Group C Rsoultin and Bourne
No relationship here just the last two remaining players. This is the only group where i think it is possible for both to be scum together.
As i think there could only be at most one scum in both Group A and Group B. That means that there has to be at least one in Group C (Rsoultin and bourne). While a scum lynch into either Group A or Group B would mean the other member would be most likely town I think maybe we should lynch between rsoultin and bourne today and most likely bourne because
1. They could both be scum
2. I think the way rsoultin noticed shinings blue soft and unvoted him shoes a very townie mindset. Also i think I like the way she continued to question shining with me about his shot because i think she might have handled that differently as mafia. Basically i townr ead her.
Anyway this mostly falls to pieaces if people think trefel and tube could be scum together so i would mostly like input on that.
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urgh tube and trefel dont really converse much this game until this phase. I know this doesn't indicate partners purely on that but still makes me iffy on my last post.
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##Vote Bourne
I really hate this because we have jsut gone through and lynched all the newbie lurkers. Could probably be convinced to switch to tube since he was very likely to be lynched yet didn't seem to be getting frantic enough considering it would be the lynch that lost the game.
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On April 17 2015 20:18 Bourneq wrote:
Well that is not a nice thing to wake up to.
1. Everybody left is in the americas so I am not up for their busses. (excluding prplhz but he seems to be up 24/7)
2. I am going to get lynched and town will loose.
3. Anything I say will just make me look worse.
I am going to put my thoughts down anyway.
Scum here is certinatly prplhz, jarjar, tube/trfel.
Right now there is 2 scums voting on me. Another scum is waiting to see where the rest of the votes go so they can switch onto me if necessary. So everybody that is town will have to vote on the same person to save me. Since I am not universially town read this means I will most certinatly die here. I will flip VT, we will loose.
A few things dont really make sense to me in this post.
1. Could you explain to me how you think prp and jarjar could be partners after D2 votes and what has occured today. do you think Jar Jar is bussing really hard when scum only needs one more misslynch to win?
Also you say there is two scum voting you. There is only 3 people voting you and one is me who is basically confirmed town. This means you think trefel and prphz is scum. yet when you list out your possible scum you have tube/trefel. This makes me believe that you think tube and trefel could not be scum together so why dont you come to the conclusion that JJb is the last scum.
Anyway im keen to see what you bring to the table and I don't think anything you say will deffs make you look worse not sure why you would think that if you are town.
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On April 17 2015 20:46 Bourneq wrote:
1. Because I dont think you nor rso is scum. That leaves prplhz, jarjar, tube/trfel and you since shining is confirmed town, and I dont think you are scum.
2. Tube and trfel could absolutely be scum together. Jarjar never left a town nor scum impression on me but I know its 3 of the 4 people I put on that list that is scum so I put him on there from the process of elimination.
lol sorry its just weird to me that you write everyones name then put tube/trefel. It was confusing i thought you were inferring that you thought it was prp + jarjar then one of tube and trefel.
I would also like you to go into why YOU think rso is town but that can be saved for last.
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On April 17 2015 21:32 Bourneq wrote:
The only reason the lynch is on me at the moment is because scum wants it to be. It will be exactly like the plotspot and dwarf lynches.
Did you not vote for both of those lynches?
Also this statement isnt even true prp says he will sheep me so isnt this lynch on you of my own choosing? I don't see you trying to work out the game you are just saying stuff to try scare town.
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Can i go back to sleep and never return if me lose on this lynch?
Rso/shining do you think shining/tube could be scum together?
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I cant shake the feeling we are about to lost to RSO urgh
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