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On March 19 2015 02:04 Half the Sky wrote: I'm still looking to see if any player (in any game of his/her choice) will do what geript was trying to do for a few games - impose a self posting limit of 20 posts per day/10 per night, I think in the one student game he was trying to go as low as 10 day and 5 night which is insane in a mini. I think this is stupid. Like i am nowadays trying to cut out my posting, but when the game needs posting there is no reason to go "wow i can't post because of this dumb self-restriction i gave to myself". It's just stupid. Cutting down unnecessary posting is fine, cutting down posting in general does not serve any purpose imo. | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:45 Half the Sky wrote: I actually like larger games as well, though I don't know if I could say I prefer them over minis. I'd say I like them equally so far. I hate larger games because there are always too many mislynches for mafia to push without "taking heat" for it. If all people would just play it would be fine. | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:06 Onegu wrote: I'm not here, I am not VT. this is the best post in this thread | ||
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On March 19 2015 10:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually what I also find interesting is that he brought up Rayn who hasn't posted yet, yet missed the 9 other players in the signup list. How did he know Rayn was playing from the top of his head? I'm actually imagining a scenario where he went into the scum qt and saw Rayn as the only notable name. sicklucker answer this please. | ||
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On March 19 2015 09:31 Palmar wrote: Actually there are more problems with damdreds list. He town reads me scum reads the guy who agrees with me and non reads the guy I'm trying to kill. He also scumreads me for some reason i'd like him to explain. | ||
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can you point out where because apparently i am blind as i can't find it in sl's filter. | ||
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So where is sicklucker answering this and why is slam doing it instead of the person who should be doing it? | ||
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sl is not scumreading me afaik, he said i am mia. | ||
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On March 19 2015 18:45 Palmar wrote: I only have a single card. Are you my friend? i am friend. | ||
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Holyflare the Toad - Palmar fest. Does it mean anything? | ||
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On March 19 2015 19:55 Holyflare wrote: probably nothing at all, but it kind of reminds me of toad going ham on geript in that game i bussed everyone yeah me too. but let's not talk about more of it yet. Talk to me about sicklucker. I don't understand why people are voting for him. | ||
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On March 19 2015 19:56 Bill Murray wrote: he blatantly lied LAL Can you show me how? I am not sure i understand. Like about in every game i have played with thrawn i have made a case on him on something he does not remember correctly. Is what he did necessarily lying? | ||
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On March 19 2015 19:57 Holyflare wrote: well he lied/forgot about stuff which i guess isn't indicative but then he put in a spoiler that he should be confirmed by filter length when he used that argument in void or w/e it was and was mafia with a longer filter so i'm kinda just keeping it on him till he does something useful The logest games he has been alive in are: TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Town Vanilla Survived Night 5 (28 pages of filter) Imperial Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 6 (19 pages) The Void Mafia Mafia Rolecop Survived Day 5 (52 pages) Campus Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 7 (35 pages) VI Titanic Mini Mafia: The Return of MSPaint Mafia Roleblocker Endgamed Day 5 (14 pages) I think by simple post/phase comparison he is not lying. Like i don't care what he said as scum in Void, but i don't think him saying that here makes him mafia. i agree he should start being useful. | ||
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Imperial Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 6 (52 pages) The Void Mafia Mafia Rolecop Survived Day 5 (19 pages) I accidently messed up those two. | ||
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On March 19 2015 20:20 Palmar wrote: Same with rayn, rayn hasn't been a dick to me this game which could mean he's mafia. That's your job not mine. | ||
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On March 19 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote: what, being a dick to me? I'm hardly ever a dick to myself. i don't know maybe you are scum. i am never dick to you when i am town. you, as mafia, call me mafia for some stupid reasons that do not make any sense (like well.. here) and then your play revolves around antagonizing me, for example never explaining why you actually think i am mafia or just calling me mafia over and over again so much everyone gets bored of it and won't just listen to you, or me. I am not participating in this Palmar. But if you are serious here you are probably scum. | ||
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how does it feel to be town? | ||
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I mean a game where i clearly start it. | ||
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You call me probably mafia for "not being dick to you". I answer that i am never dick towards you when i am town, and that it's your job to do that to me if you are scum (yes, that's what my post says and don't you even dare to say you don't understand that). You respond with some smartass comment (which in fact IS being dick towards me) and proceed on calling me mafia. So again, can you show me a game where i am being a dick towards you when i am town Palmar? A game where i start it. I know there are a lot of games where i lose my cool when YOU do this kinda stuff, but that's not relevant. | ||
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On March 19 2015 20:40 Holyflare wrote: isn't your last paragraph just saying you lose your cool with him lol? The last paragraph is saying i know at some point i have done that. The important thing is i never start it. I know i usually prod Palmar with things that might seem weird to other people and even my explanations do not make sense to people. I have done it since the Thug Life game where i "developed" a tell on Palmar because he totally fucked up as scum when interacting with me early on in the game in a debate that seemed to be "casual talk, nothing to see here" type of conversation. Yes lately i have been losing my faith to the tell because Palmar just trolls more as either alignment. I don't know why i still do it, i sometimes do because i have nothing else to do and he is usually in the thread when i am. | ||
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On March 19 2015 20:42 Palmar wrote: Like it was just a random thought and somehow it has developed into a full scale argument. It makes absolutely no sense that you'd jump this this hard. I understand that. That was not my concern. Not even the second post was. After that YOU made it a scene. | ||
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On March 19 2015 20:45 Palmar wrote: I don't troll as mafia, we've been through this. Which I guess implicates me this game, but still. I don't troll as mafia. Then i guess we have a different explanation for what is trolling and what is not. | ||
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On November 27 2014 19:49 Palmar wrote: 4 7 5 1 2 11 4 8 3 1 10 4 21 4 5 4 1 (18) 71 3 3 This is a list of the index of the first post by scum in the last 20 minis. I skipped games with less than 2 mafia, and the one with the brackets is holyflare's game where people just posted popcorn after the game started until he further reminded people that the game had actually started (mafia was first popcorn poster, but didn't post again until 18th). So this guy: Is super smart. Another interesting tidbit is that this first post by mafia is almost always some kind of a fluffy comment. I didn't write down the posts (I should have) but it was pretty obvious that during the first... 20? posts of the game, mafia posts just to post. So I'm literally only going to do that today. just read the first 20 posts or so and find the mafia in there. not trolling? | ||
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On March 19 2015 21:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why Vivax rayn? He's saying good stuff about Superbia. I agree with it. | ||
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On March 19 2015 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn can you explain your thoughts on SL? First you say Suggesting suspicion of sicklucker. Then you move on to say Did you find him having your name on his list suspicious? If so, why did you wonder why people were voting him? If not, why did you want him to answer my question? Those two things have nothing to do with each other. I wanted him to answer because i think you made a good point on him (although a bit wrong). I wanted to see what he gives as a reasoning, unfortunately Slam fucked it up. I agree that he hasn't done much anything, which makes him suspicious. I don't agree with him lying or any sort of shit like that which is why i think people are reading scum for. | ||
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On March 19 2015 21:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why do you need Damdred to talk to me about something? Sorry worded that poorly. Remind me i need to talk to you about something after i have talked with Damdred. | ||
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1) a guy he has had a read on before he can have a read on them, apparently now he agrees with what guy another person is scummy but still this guy has said nothing in value 2) another guy who scumread a third guy for the same reasons he did ##vote Damdred | ||
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On March 20 2015 01:40 Holyflare wrote: explain the bolded really just explain both because this is a badly worded post Damdred had a read on me before he could possibly have a read on me. I said that already in the thread. From my contributions today it's really easy to see i think sicklucker and Superbia have the highest chances of being mafia, because i don't talk about stuff i don't find important nor do i care to repeat what other people say. His scumreads include sicklucker and now he just said Superbia is scummy. Yet he agrees with you that i have said nothing of value, which should NOT be the case for him because every single one of my conclusions on "who is mafia" line up with his. | ||
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On March 20 2015 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Furthermore he reads ExO mafia for reading Trfel mafia for his opening, which was EXACTLY what Damdred did himself in the first place. no actually this is not true. i misread ExO's first post. I don't even have any clue why he reads ExO mafia because i don't think ExO is mafia at all. He's being reasonable, not scummy. Obviously Damdred didn't even explain this read while i asked. | ||
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On March 20 2015 01:52 rsoultin wrote: you do realize rayn that simply having the same reads does not mean you've done anything of value lol Of course it does. That is all that counts as value in mafia. Finding the people who are mafia. I heavily implied i think two people are mafia. Damdred thinks the same people are mafia. There is absolutely no way he can think i have said nothing of value. No way. | ||
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On March 20 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote: Literally I can't remember anything you've said or done besides have a shit fight with Palmar over nothing Rayn so yes, I don't think you have done anything of value in the thread. Nor do I remember your reads or care if they in any way line up with early d1 reads that are bound to change as the game progresses. All reads at this stage are formative and doesn't really matter what association they bring to me. First of all that was not a shit fight and it lasted about five posts. I think it's kind of an exaggeration to call it a shitfight... How can you read me scum when you don't even know what i have done? And why do you read ExO scum? | ||
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On March 20 2015 02:41 Toadesstern wrote: I've got no idea if I'm supposed to laugh, cry or whatever else at this moment because I have no idea if that was sacrasmn or not with this being in there: I meant i find it odd Holyflare and Artanis say you are mafia for completely opposite reasons and there is no confrontation between them for it. Like i am not sure if it's important but it's a good point i find interesting. Also you focusing onto other stuff momentarily is a towntell. | ||
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(1) you literally claim you have read my posts (2) my reads apparently align with yours (3) you read me scum all of those are reasons you SHOULD remember what i have said and at least try to figure out why i say what i do yet you claim the opposite. | ||
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On March 20 2015 02:52 Holyflare wrote: then you just aren't reading the thread at all because i most definitely already called him potential mafia I am pretty sure you did not do it because of what Toad said in his post, amiright? Or if i am not feel free to show me which of your posts say or even imply so. | ||
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On March 20 2015 02:54 Damdred wrote: Literally Rayn is talking to me like i'm town even though he claims i'm scum. My vote is in a good place Show me a post where i do so and explain it in detail why. | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote: Literally if you are sure i'm scum you don't need to make posts like this to convince me not to vote you. If i'm scum you do not need to break down whats wrong with my scum read TO ME. If i'm scum to you, this makes no sense to me why you post talking to me as such instead of pushing me to hell and back to get lynched. I made that post because if you are not scum you can have a reasonable answer to those things because that is where what you have said about me in this game boils down to. I also made that post to clarify to everyone else why i think what you are saying right now right here is bullshit. It makes no sense for me to "push you to hell and back to get lynched" because i am over that shit already. Likewhat the fuck is that point i don't even know?!?! But hey, it seems like you don't have a reasonable answer.. Because every time i ask you something you talk about something else. | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:18 Holyflare wrote: i think his play is poop and i'm not interested in individual aspects so much well then don't incorrectly say i am not reading the thread. | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:21 rsoultin wrote: truthfully, rayn, i haven't seen what makes me go town!rayn in the house! you were a super easy townread for me in joat because of those few things I am sorry but thewn you are going to think i am mafia in every single game from now on because i was really shit on D1 in that game behaviorvise. | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote: out of curiosity, have you ever done a myers briggs type test? i ask because i have the feeling our types are the same or very similar...which is all to say that even when i disagree with you when you're town i usually have no trouble at all following your thought process ^ i'd still like an answer to that question out of curiosity xP but more on point: your sicklucker and superbia scumreads...why? lol and you're definitely talking to me like you think i'm town  so where did that read come from?No i haven't done myers briggs type test. sicklucker & superbia scum for being the lest town in the thread besides damdred. And Toad, but that scumread i don't have any more. As for what i don't like on them, sicklucker mainly because he goes full "again this shit where people call me mafia" and then doesn't really talk about anything else, it's old, and it doesn't help him if he is town, and he should know that. Superbia because of what Vivax said. I just don't post everything i have in mind, especially if other people have said the same things before.... It's just useless and i don't care if people think i am scum for "not contributing" while to be fair noone should because i can play more laid back game and it usually even benefits me in thinking more rationally. I don't what you mean by your last sentence, i do not read you scum. | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also Rayn I should be pretty much confirmed town to you. Am i saying otherwise? | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You said Toad had good points which suggests that you no longer considered me in that fashion. I think i explained it later. I meant it's not that he is right and you or Holyflare is mafia but it's more likely that he is town for making those points. | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:51 rsoultin wrote: tbf my perception of you is not as a lazy player who is content with two scumreads lol based on others' logic without using those reads to try to get reads on other people, too. granted i know you are now scumreading damdred as well, and that was originalish, but it wasn't impressive (i.e. your reasons were weak) my perception of you may be wrong, but hf apparently shares it -shrugs- My reasons are good. And not posting != lazy | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:59 rsoultin wrote: lol rayn i'm not going to tell you specifically what you have to do to make me read you town (for obvious reasons) but i can definitively say you haven't done it yet and it has nothing to do with how much you have or haven't posted xP well this discussion is obviously pointless. i was thinking you might say you think i am scum for some real reason but if there are none then i guess i can go do something else. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I didn't dismiss it, I forgot about it because I had more pressing matters with Toad, but good that you remind me. I always feel like Damdred always looks scummy in the start and then he suddenly comes out and makes himself confirmed town. What does this even mean? Like has everyone in this game forgotten how you contribute to something? | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It means Damdred is [unknown] until he amazes us with a great revelation he's made when re-evaluating. When that doesn't happen he's scum. It happened during Linux and Student VI, both in N1. Both games there were a few people scumreading him early on. Going to check him out regardless, but figured the context is important. No it means you don't have any opinion to my case because you can't read Damdred. An exaggerated version of what you are doing here happening would be: rayn: "i have a red check on Damdred" Artanis: "well i always find Damdred scummy so i guess we need him to post more" | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Isn't this the thing that Palmar pointed out earlier? No he pointed out how Damdred does not read him town while he should because of his other reads. Well yeah, that's kinda the same thing. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, what I'm saying is I don't have confidence in other people's reads on Damdred. I just opened his last page though and he looks pretty bad so far. Everything feels so superficial. Well how the fuck can you then say "i am lynching rayn if he doesn't come up with a super good case". Like you are lynching me anyways? Is that what you are trying to say? | ||
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I also had asked for HF to give me example posts for comparison from Rayn's past games as Mafia and compared them to this game but he failed to deliver that part but I still waiting on that but I still had listed my reasons for potentially scumreading Rayn this game in my filter. | ||
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By this i mean to say LS is mafia. For all the people who fail to comprehend it. Apparently it's not clear to people. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:32 Eden1892 wrote: Literally right here in my filter (and then a little after for HF). Anyone claiming otherwise isn't reading yeah so this is about the lying thingy that does not make sense. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:41 Eden1892 wrote: [/b]How doesn't it make sense? He fronted like he wasn't in the games we were talking about and made up a wrong heuristic to townread rsoultin because I correctly townread her. [b9Then he hasn't done shit since. Town sicklucker is all over the place and involved in the game. This sicklucker hasn't been so far. I give him the night to prove himself but if he goes to bed tonight without having been the sicklucker I know and love from other games he is scum. this makes sense yes, this is not however why you originally voted for him which is what ExO was talking about. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:41 Eden1892 wrote: How doesn't it make sense? He fronted like he wasn't in the games we were talking about and made up a wrong heuristic to townread rsoultin because I correctly townread her. Then he hasn't done shit since. Town sicklucker is all over the place and involved in the game. This sicklucker hasn't been so far. I give him the night to prove himself but if he goes to bed tonight without having been the sicklucker I know and love from other games he is scum. this makes sense yes, this is not however why you originally voted for him which is what ExO was talking about. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:45 Eden1892 wrote: but exo is giving me completely unwarranted shit for still finding sl suspicious, when the bolded part is now true I agree, now he is. | ||
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On March 20 2015 06:19 LightningStrike wrote: Okay since no one is really asking me questions atm I finding it odd that sicklucker is giving a free townread to rayn when you shouldn't give free townreads do you guys finding that odd? I find it odd you scumread me when you should not scumread me but the you ask holyflare to point out games where i am mafia when you usually look for them yourself to get a read but then you don't ever go look them you jsut sit with holyflare doesn't give me games and still scumread me. does that make sense? | ||
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On March 20 2015 07:19 LightningStrike wrote: I meant having Holyflare give me quotes from your past games as Mafia that is close to your style of play this game compared to your other games that I had played with you. Where did he do that? | ||
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On March 20 2015 22:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Suddenly it makes sense. I kinda discarded Vivax because Rayn townread him which I have no idea why I did so. Actually noted him as slightly worrying too because he hasn't gone pants on head retarded yet which Vivax normally does. Additionally I know something extra about Vivax that makes me think he's scum but that's information I can't disclose without being a dick. Vivax is town because he goes after mafia Superbia and mafia LS. Damdred probably just bad here. | ||
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His reasons are "rayn hasn't done his towntell which he always does". | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:09 Damdred wrote: and then instantly drops superbia for bad reasoning and goes after LS who is just being ls....ooookkkkk Are you mafia too because you talk about other people you think are scum than me? There is no implication in Vivax' filter he is not scumreading Superbia any more. He is just doing things other than focusing on just one person this day phase. Which is not scummy the slightest. | ||
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##vote LighningStrike On March 20 2015 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I find it odd you scumread me when you should not scumread me but the you ask holyflare to point out games where i am mafia when you usually look for them yourself to get a read but then you don't ever go look them you jsut sit with holyflare doesn't give me games and still scumread me. does that make sense? If you can't see why this is a mafia post you are either scum or bad. | ||
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LightnignStrike literally says before he wants to read my past games because he needs to know if Holyflare's case is good or not. But then he just sits on his "sheep Holyflare" opinion without going to look for the games himself. Like this is a guy WHOSE ALL FUCKING READS BASE ON META!!! ALL OF THEM, EVER! And he is too lazy to go look at the games himself? "woe is on me Holyflare give me no games, well rayn still scum". No fucking way. | ||
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"I tried to bury sicklucker, then rayn reads sicklucker and Damdred scum. Well now i also read Damdred scum (after rayn did) so he has to be mafia because now our reads align, and he should not read me scum". Like i didn't even fucking post between he started reading Damdred scum and his "rayn is mafia" post. ROFL! | ||
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And Holyflare who contradicts himself all the time and apparently has nothing to do but to call me mafia for shit reasons. But probably not scum, just idiot. Like, i don't care. I am never voting Vivax here. I am never voting for anyone other than LS, Superbia, or rsoultin. If someone else is going to get lynched and i am the counterwagon i will vote for myself to prove a point. I don't really want to play this game any more. Shouldn't join big games because they are shit anyways. | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:22 Vivax wrote: Rayn are you busy ? Cause so far I'm treating HF as confirmed town cause of the mason claim and he thinks you're scum. The moment some individuals start voting me you come and take sides with me pretty hard so right now I'm trying to evaluate if those are your honest reads or if you're trying to buddy me. I have been calling you town all game what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:25 rsoultin wrote: lolol xP you're never ever lynching me rayn, and i'll fight you tooth and nail over LS...superbia eh don't really care about him probably not because people are too bad in this game. | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:37 Onegu wrote: Rayn should I read your filter? no you should vote for Lighntingstrike | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:43 Vivax wrote: Rayn are you still around. yes i am here. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:01 Eden1892 wrote: gimme cliffs cuz i don't have a lot of time to go reread to find your reasoning *hint* you can't find it even if you looked at it | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What is this? I should be perma confirmed town to you for the way I handled the suspicion on you initially by HF. There was no reason for me to say that I think you're suspicious but I don't want to vote you unless we're both scum, which if you're town you know isn't the case, because it makes me look a lot worse than if I just voted for you. Damdred's case was not good. Yes it is a fact it probably (amongst some other things) makes him more townie than scum, that's where you are right on, but the case does NOT make Vivax mafia. Never. You know, i originally townread you because usually when you are scum you go ham on me for no apparent reason (like Holyflare in this game -- if you did that you would be confirmed scum). But Vivax, Holyflare and Eden actually do have a point. You look at stuff you should not look at. Like you haven't read nor you have tried to understand what i say about Superbia & LightningStrike. Apparently you think i am scum but you are not sure. It doesn't make any sense to me that YOU, of all the people in this game do not even CONSIDER what i say, if it's good or bad. You like to interact with me, yet here you don't. Instead you sheep a bad case on Vivax. I just don't think you are this bad. Because the stuff i say about my scumreads is in fact really good. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think Damdred's case was bad at all, though I hate that he's gone MIA ever since. Also, looking at stuff I shouldn't look at? What the fuck are you even trying to say, I look at what I find interesting and prod when I see things as I always do. As for your reads: You TR Vivax for his reads as if bussing doesn't exist. I share your concern on Superbia but I'm not as certain. I've given my reasons for why I think LS is probably town, I don't think he can be read at all like most people and his carefreeness suggests town strongly to me. I like interacting with you, yes, but that's because we've usually both been pretty clearly town from the start. That's been absent this game and I dunno if it's because you're playing two games at the same time, if it's because you're scum or some other reason. It's usually easy for me to read you as town but not this game. So you are either scum or just incapable of understanding what i say about them. Because both of the cases are 100% mafia. 100%. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:36 Holyflare wrote: i'm not going to make a big case, i've said everything that needed to be said? now he's just a broken record that found "scum" and won't stop ONLY pushing it and relating things to that, there's no drive and no hesitance excuse me but who is a broken record here? | ||
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Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing. is there anything right here? + Show Spoiler + no. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:04 Toadesstern wrote: do I actually have to respond to Palmar and Rayn here in fears of the bullshit sticking somewhere or can I keep on reading the 25 pages I havn't read yet? Oh hey you made a scumcase on me while not even having to read the thread. gj scum. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:08 Alakaslam wrote: Neither of you is convincing me of anything with this kind of stuff, so nyeh. makes a case on me. says he hasn't read 40 pages of the thread. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:12 Toadesstern wrote: this is easy enough to respond to while reading o/ yeah like it matters if ti's 25 or 40, ROFL! | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote: Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction. go look at any game i have played (except for JOAT) last three months. Yes you are right, Toad is mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:20 Holyflare wrote: how is it just solely based on meta and an exaggeration? if you get rid of the meta then it just leaves rayn has reads and he isn't driving them home like he should be and isn't really doing anything I love how you jsut keep making terrible arguments Holyflare. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:30 Toadesstern wrote: on a scale from 0 to 100, how certain are you that I am mafia? If you say 100 I'm willing to lynch Vivax before lynching into you. Answer the question please. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:33 Toadesstern wrote: @Rayn: I don't think it's wrong, that's why You can'r know if it's wrong or right if you have not read the thread. So you are scum because you make a read without having the evidence of making such read. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:37 Toadesstern wrote: Okay seriously rayn I have no idea what's wrong with you atm except for the fact that I said something about you, which you apparently don't like. You mention 2 things: 1) Me not having read the thread (the last 25 pages of it) 2) Me throwing out reads before having completly read it The 2nd one is np at all, in fact the quote I directed to Vivax to show him that I don't consider myself someone on the levels as Marv/HF when playing town even shows that I'm doing that on a regular basis to give some updates on my thought process. It's from Hammertime, I was town in that game. #2 done? About #1. I'm sorry I have to sleep at some point and I didn't really have time to read until I got back in here. I'm not awake and reading 24/7. What are you even getting at here? Do not ignore the question and try to walk around it. How can you make a read on me when you don't have the information to make a read on me? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote: Should I believe raynpelikoneet's claim, and why? + Show Spoiler + I don't feel particularly inclined to believe it, but it seems sensible to not lynch him today? Reason is because there is a good chance of there not being a tracker in the game. you should, because i am pushing mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:18 ExO_ wrote: I Highly doubt there'd be 2 vigis in the game. And I think lynching Vivax right now would be idiotic. That claim leaves him very open to a counter claim. There hasn't been one yet. We shouldn't lynch Vivax right now. I'd really like more discussion on the rayn claim of tracker. I'd really like you to vote for Toad because of this post of yours. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn why is Vivax never mafia here? because toad claimed scum with his read on me, then vivax claimed vig and toad cc'd him. toad is scum. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote: Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:24 ExO_ wrote: Wait who is the other claimed vig, I missed it vivax and toad are both of them. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so if you're town then you're just biased because you didn't like Toad's read on you then? Got it. no dude. read it plz. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:24 Superbia wrote: rayn why are you scum reading me? i said it already. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote: rayn i swear to god if you're town this game not only are you playing awful but you need to stop basing EVERY SINGLE READ off of others' reads on you >< more likely of the two claiming vig as mafia is vivax that's obvious vivax flips vig toad is dead vivax could still be town (possibly) but this is not a good scum move and i'm not lynching toad for it you are scum stfu. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, it's true stuff. People can't get a read on you by pressuring you because regardless of alignment you flip the fuck out and ragequit the game. Like....that's a FACT. It's not even his opinion. What part of his read on you is "claiming scum"? Like, okay - the question TO ME is "Could Toad have this read on rayn as town" and "WOULD Toad post this read on rayn if he's mafia" VISCERAEYES: TOAD IS SAYING HE HAS A SCUMREAD ON ME BASED ON THE FACT THAT HE HAS NOT READ THE LAST 25 PAGES IN THE THREAD. THOSE 25 PAGES IS WHEN I HAVE CONTRIBUTED THE MOST! ALSO LOOK AT HIS POST, ALL THE THINGS HE SAYS I AM SCUM FOR ARE TOWNTELLS! | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:29 Superbia wrote: I'm not going to lie, I don't even understand your case on me. Like why it makes me scum. Whatever. Just start townreading me so we can work together, okay? you said i am scum for reading the same people scum than you do (SL and Damdred), when i didn't even read SL scum, and YOU read Damdred mafia AFTER i did. It's a logical inconsistancy. But it's for D2. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:31 Palmar wrote: okay I'm behind. we have claims? yes i claim tracker toad and vivax claim vigi. toad is mafia, me and vivax are town. now push toad. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:35 Trfel wrote: Vivax's progression Claims vigilante Pushes the counterclaim (Toadesstern) with no restraint Suddenly acknowledges that there could be two vigilantes Continues pushing Toadesstern with complete confidence Leaves in frustration Hm. where? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:36 Trfel wrote: Not lies? but where does vivax do it? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:44 Superbia wrote: Am I the only one who currently thinks that the most likely scenario is that they're both town? yeah you are. that's fucking stupid. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:45 ExO_ wrote: CCing as vig might be dumb as fuck (though idk if I agree), but CCing vig As mafia is infinitely dumber. In what world does mafia toad CC vig? It makes 0 sense. NO IT IS NOT IF YOU ARE GETTING LYNCHED!!! | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:47 ExO_ wrote: But Toad isn't getting lynched today if he keeps his mouth shut. That's the difference here. Why even CC, he could easily just back off of Vivax for a day and not die, if he was mafia Read my case on him. READ IT! Are you mafia? | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh hey you made a scumcase on me while not even having to read the thread. gj scum. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote: rayn highlighting all the townies, cool! Not sure Toad is town though rayn. read the thread you idiot. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote: What kind of evaluation is this? Why are you so uninterested in this situation? bcz he is scum what do you think? oh i forgot.... | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:04 rsoultin wrote: okay, folks in the game scumreading toad reasons why, please He has a scumread on me when he can't have a scumread on me. Also the scumread is 100% incorrect based on everything. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm not sure, I think it's probably genuine as it was relatively unprovoked and seemed to come from anger in ways that Rayn has ragequit before when he's feeling particularly righteous. then sheep me. toad is mafia, not for his claim but his read on me. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:11 Fecalfeast wrote: this what you are saying rayn? I already agree with you the why is your vote not on Toad? | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:15 Trfel wrote: Vivax claimed vigilante. raynpelikoneet claimed tracker. Toadesstern counterclaimed vigilante. Now the question is, who do we lynch? I think Vivax is a good lynch. Raynpelikoneet isn't a bad lynch IMO, but most people seem willing to leave that for another day, so I guess I'll accept that. This guy can be mafia too. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:18 rsoultin wrote: you know, just calling everyone who scumreads you mafia isn't gonna magically make you look town yeah you wouldn't understand it anyway and you are scum so.. .bye,. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:21 Eden1892 wrote: ray you gotta trust me on this one. rso is town. maybe the other people scumreading you are mafia but rso is not. trust me 100% no. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:24 rsoultin wrote: lol rayn is scumreading everyone who has ever scumread him this game eden and i don't give a shit what he thinks. talk about relevant stuff I am scumreading people who should not have scumreads on me based on what they say. Don't you dare to misinterpret me. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:32 Toadesstern wrote: except that Mafia still gets +1 KP that way? Vivax could claim d2 "I shot Toad but he's still alive, so I got roleblocked by mafia" while they use Vivax vigshot + 1KP to doublestack someone as well as another KP for someone else making it look like 2 kills happened, I got roleblocked by mafia and there's no way for anyone to figure out what happened besides me. Same shit different day yeash this doesn't make any sense scum. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:33 Eden1892 wrote: ray why is killing the vig cc the right answer i am not killing "vig cc" i am killing mafia. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote: That isn't plus one kp for mafia that is 2 kp the ssame amount they would have normally. I see the world you are talking about though mafia shoot 2 people and mafia vig shoots another town and then both mafia vigi's still claim RB. So yeah this is true we probably should choose today as if we lynch right we have the most to gain from it. That being said if we have a tracker couldn't he just track one of the vigi's? (i guess if he is claimed it isn't much use) Also if anyone could direct me to the pages in which the 2 vigi claims happen that would be really useful YEAH THEN THE VIGI IS NOT ROLEBLOCKED! USE YOUR BRAIN! IF I AM ROLEBLOCKED THEN VIVIAX ISN'T?!?!?!?!?!? Fuck why are people this obtuse......................... | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:38 Toadesstern wrote: it is +1 KP because the one guy they're doublestacking is 100% dead. People do that for a reason... wrong. scum. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:04 Trfel wrote: Uh, what? First of all, I'm not convinced that raynpelikoneet's claim is truthful. Second, let's imagine it is truthful, and the vigilantes are both still alive, and raynpelikoneet wasn't roleblocked. I don't see how this helps us at all? Please explain. Why are you playing the claims and nothing else and how can you think the NON-counterclaimed one is NOT real and the counter claimed are? | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:09 Trfel wrote: Ok, let's imagine that mafia roleblocks the town vigilante. If the tracker tracks the roleblocked vigilante, then town gets no information. If the tracker tracks the mafia, then as long as that mafia isn't carrying KP (reasonable assumption), then they won't get anything from that either. and that makes me mafia how? | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:11 Trfel wrote: It's obviously completely unrelated. The only way this makes you mafia is because you are being defensive to the point of continuously misinterpreting what I'm saying. lol | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:15 Trfel wrote: I just don't see all that much reason to believe your claim. That's all. I'm suspicious of you because your play has seemed very strange and illogical, and a lot of people were suspecting you earlier (I believe for not doing very much). I'm not worrying about you at this time because you're not the lynch for today. but you read vivax scum, there is no reason fro you to throw me there when my claim is totally unrealted to his/toad's. So explain, why am i there in that post? You don't even want to really lynch Vivax in that post. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote: I was responding to someone who was using the tracker as a reason to not lynch both vigilantes. It makes sense that my doubt of the validity of the tracker claim would have an affect on this argument. I need to leave for a while, I'll be back right before EOD. But I'm feeling okay with a Vivax lynch here. Don't flee, answer you fucking coward. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Tracking Vivax would only confirm him as having a role that can visit players, it'd confirm him as a vig but not which alignment if he gets the shot on toad off (unless toad flips scum), you could be lying, you could get rbed yourself, there's so many things that can go wrong. We take the safe route and deal with shit today. toad flips scum. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:48 ExO_ wrote: We had 3 blue claims. 2 vigi. combined with the irb mechanic in this game I refuse to believe there are 2 vigis. So we have somebody lying. Now we're going into n1 not knowing who it was. And there's a real possibility that one ends up RBed. What if the real one gets RBe, and we go into d2 with both alive? Now what do we do we still dont know who lied. don't worry i have a solution. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:56 Toadesstern wrote: the good thing about Rayn shot is that if he flips mafia you can still just lynch Vivax d2 for harddefending him and trying to get me lynched through all of this. if you shoot anyone than vivax you are mafia. but don't worry. you are mafia after all. so you'll prolly do it anyways. | ||
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toad shoots vivax i track one of them if mafia roleblocks the real vigi we lynch the other one (mafia will prolly kill the real vigi anyways, and the fake vigi will deliver). If mafia roleblocks me and the real vigi dies, the fake vigi dies aswell. profit 100% <3 get rekt toad. medic protect vivax please. | ||
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On March 21 2015 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Is rayn on the sauce? Cause if rayn is on the sauce I prolly gotta get outta here... nah i am not. just about to go to bed. not drunk. i don't play mafia drunk anymore. | ||
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On March 21 2015 09:15 Holyflare wrote: there is totally a world where there can be 2 town vigis no. | ||
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On March 21 2015 23:47 LightningStrike wrote: 100% one of them is Mafia based on switches alone in my mind at least. HF and Onegu is like 1% Mafia but they were under no pressure to claim Mason. Rayn is the unCCed Tracker idk why he claimed at the time he did but he is the unCCed Tracker. So what you are saying is that Palmar is mafia? | ||
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On March 22 2015 00:01 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn have you ever stated why you're suspicious of Artanis? I'll find it if so, I'm just wondering if you've ever put post to thread yet. He didn't comment on my awesome cases on other scum in any way and pushed obvtown Vivax. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred's case was not good. Yes it is a fact it probably (amongst some other things) makes him more townie than scum, that's where you are right on, but the case does NOT make Vivax mafia. Never. You know, i originally townread you because usually when you are scum you go ham on me for no apparent reason (like Holyflare in this game -- if you did that you would be confirmed scum). But Vivax, Holyflare and Eden actually do have a point. You look at stuff you should not look at. Like you haven't read nor you have tried to understand what i say about Superbia & LightningStrike. Apparently you think i am scum but you are not sure. It doesn't make any sense to me that YOU, of all the people in this game do not even CONSIDER what i say, if it's good or bad. You like to interact with me, yet here you don't. Instead you sheep a bad case on Vivax. I just don't think you are this bad. Because the stuff i say about my scumreads is in fact really good. | ||
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On March 22 2015 00:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay. And I guess that's based on expectation that he'd do so as town yes? yes, regardless of if he reads me scum or not. He kinda did read me scum (for idk why), but that should be even more of a reason to contribute to my cases. To either tell where i am wrong (which he didn't do) as if i am scum i am obviously pushing townies, most likely, or to tell me i am right, which should give him a better read on me. He fails to do either. | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:00 Trfel wrote: Yes, I voted for you before you elaborated on the multiple vigilante possibility. I referred to the reasons I ultimately voted you, not initially. I think that's where this whole confusion starts from.... Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere (the deadline was getting close). With Toadesstern's counterclaim, I felt you were the best choice at that time. I tried to search for alternative wagons, however without me having read the game, and no one else being willing to discuss alternatives, that wasn't really possible. Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you. I don't understand what exactly you are scumreading me for. "Much of the reason I voted for you initially was because I needed to have my vote somewhere" "I felt you were the best choice at that time." "I tried to search for alternative wagons" " Your actions were rather scummy, and so I kept my vote on you." | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:02 Alakaslam wrote: What's up rayn nothing much just came from sauna. game's pretty funny and easy. | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:04 Alakaslam wrote: Dude that's actually a really good idea. I may go to a sauna after work today. What's easy? Wanna catch me up in a post? Mafia is: Toadesstern Lightningstrike Superbia Trfel one of Artanis / rsoultin. read my post which will come later on today for reasoning, or my filter. | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:09 Trfel wrote: Look, it's not the best vote progression. But from someone who didn't read the game? 1. Vivax was counterclaimed, thus I vote for Vivax. While recognizing the possibility of multiple vigilantes, there is also a very distinct possibility that there is only one. In addition, some experienced players (specifically Vivax and Toadesstern themselves) were very convinced that there was only one vigilante. Vivax was very stubborn towards Toadesstern, and this played a reasonable role in my initial decision to vote for Vivax. 2. I searched for alternative wagons to Vivax and Toadesstern. This is exactly what a townie would do? And what a townie did? 3. Vivax continued to be stubborn and inconsistent, so I kept my vote on Vivax. I don't see how you can convincingly refute this at all. You can say that Vivax was frustrated because of the counterclaim and not thinking clearly and with complete logic, and that's acceptable from a town point of view. However, I don't think it's more likely than Vivax being a scrambling scum. Explain how Vivax was stubborn and how does it make him mafia? Answer Holyflare. | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:26 Vivax wrote: I'm typing this without even having finished to read the post cause I feel outraged when you say you wanted to talk about SL and LS. THat's bullshit. I had them both as scum previously and you had plenty of chance to take some degree of influence on the game and discuss it with me or with anyone else. Instead your SL read doesn't get mentioned at EoD and you only choose between claims. You said Damdred's case was exaggerated when it was exactly the case that made me become the majority wagon in place of SL and LS who you claim were your scumreads, and yet I end up being your scumread. This doesn't make the slightiest sense. You NEVER pushed for a SL or LS lynch like I did. LS jumped on me after the Damdred case you found exaggerated and you didn't bat an eyelid on it, there's no mention of that opportunistic switch. Instead when it's between me and LS you don't claim a preference, you post this: This reads like kush when he's mafia. Completely apathetic and doesn't reflect at all the opinions you gave on LS and Damdred's case on me. You passively acknowledge the existence of two wagons. And your next conclusion is? Not to mention there is a really good case on LightningStrike in my filter but my filter is apparently "weak". | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yo guys, just got back from a long ass capoeira session. First of all, sorry to hear that LS. Second, Damdred, you seem to have forgotten the thing about Trfel/Superbia early on where they both asked how many mafia players are playing in this game. I still believe that tell to be valid. I also know I'm town so your team is guaranteed to be wrong. I also think that shooting into "unknowns" is terrible unless they don't post a lot. I've given plenty of info to read into, so I should either be lynched or kept alive but never shot by a town vig. So as to who I think you might be wrong on: Rayn and VE come to mind. Your current team lacks a lot of vet power, and though it's possible RNG made it that way, Host WIFOM dictates that there's probably at least one strong player in the mafia team. Rayn's claim can easily be bullshit. I dunno if scum can have a tracker but he can just unclaim it anytime anyway and it'd be just one more Rayn fakeclaim. I've given VE a peripheral townread for his tone but I seem to be getting too many townreads, and that was one of the weakest ones. I'm not sure what you saw in VE's filter that truly made you read him town, but I have not been convinced by him this game. I had to taunt him into actually going into his read on me and he hasn't pushed his opinions at all despite them being in conflict with town consensus (such as his Fecal scumread which no one agreed upon, yet he never tried to convince anyone). I think one of the two is probably scum and I'll spend some time digging into them once I'm a bit rested. When are you going to do ths? Like it's your focus, but yiu make posts about something else. Go do it now. | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote: like i don't understand anyone that comes into the thread scum reading me but then totally ignores onegu don't understand in the slightest Well toad is mafia. Duh... | ||
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Or someone. Vivax. VE. You are bright ppl. And i can''t play other than by phone tonight bcz i am not home. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:24 Superbia wrote: People scumreading me for the dumbest shit ever. Really? I was the towniest motherfucker before EoD. I scumread you because you read on me makes zero sense baeed on what you say. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you're claiming scum then? That's nice to know How do you conclude this? | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:26 Vivax wrote: My mom and I are different persons. I'm not capable of autogamy. I am sorry. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:27 Superbia wrote: I've said before that I probably confused (parts of) Damdred's filter with yours when I talked about you. I usually talk about what I recall, I only use filters when I want to look back at an exact quote. And that's still rare, I usually paraphrase from what I recall. That's not why i am scumreading you. I am sorry if i am being a dick here for not explaining further. I just decided i would be "a dick" this game becaude noone reads what i write. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:30 Vivax wrote: Rayn, how long took it for you to realize that? I prompted Artanis to write that stuff during D1. I thought it could be clarity. | ||
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##vote LighntingStrike On March 22 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: well that implicates rayn too xP After this lynch this,. | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:43 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, please hard claim your role at this time. If you change this claim, you will be lynched. You hard claim first. I have been pushing your red check all fucking D1. | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:44 Trfel wrote: Please claim immediately. Then I can explain the rest. Please read the thread. | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote: So why did onegu say you are his mason lol I have no idea. | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:47 Trfel wrote: So, at least one of ExO_ and raynpelikoneet is mafia. Possibly both. Do you or do you not have a red check on LS as you claim? | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:49 Trfel wrote: Remember our claimed blue roles? At this time we have: 2 vigilantes 1 tracker 1 alignment cop 1 jailkeeper I think it's pretty clear that at least one of these claims is fake. Yeah Toad is mafia you retard. | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:50 Trfel wrote: I tracked LightningStrike to Holyflare using the orb. Holyflare was killed at night. LightningStrike has claimed scum. I am essentially confirmed town. No you are not. It in fact makes ME confirmed town because i have been pushing LS on D1 all day long you fuckface. | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:55 rsoultin wrote: anyone is capable of bussing no need to be an asshat, even if you are town stfu, you are scum. you literally refused to read LS mafia and read me town for my best case ever. so scum. so scummy scum. | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:12 Onegu wrote: Why would scum fake claim JK Rayn? I don't know. What i do know is that rsoultin would ever jail you oer HF if she thinks you are both town (masons). | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:18 rsoultin wrote: you know shit about me rayn ^^ i chose a medic dodge target on a gamble. it still paid off, though of course i was hoping they'd shoot outside HF in an attempt to dodge a possible jk yeah it paid off because you killed holyflare and Onegu was never gonna get killed ever. | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:28 rsoultin wrote: if i treat you as if i believe you're 100% town instead of just possibly town, will you talk to me? I don't care how you treat me if you talk to me in a reasonable manner. Like there is 0% chance i am mafia if LS is scum. LS has a red check on him. Can you now go look at how LS' "read" on me develops and why he calls me mafia? | ||
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LS sheeps Holyflare's read on me. But he is a guy who's about 100% of reads are purely based on meta. He asks Holyflare to proveide my scumgames. Holyflare never does that. Do you think it's LS'y to NOT go check for them by himself? He just keeps calling me scum when there is a wagon on me -- also keep whining about Holyflare not providing those games. Do you think that's what he would do as townie? I said all this on D1. Then he asks me, his scumread (i would assume people read their scumreads posts to better prove their read is correct -- right?) "why did you vote for BM?". Like it's fucking obvious why i did vote for BM. I have had a townread on Vivax all game long and i voted for BM because i did not have a townread on him and Vivax asked me to. Somehow LS "doesn't know this". Like he isn't even trying to be logical, he is just shouting shit all over the place. Good thing is that this confirms me town. | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:44 Vivax wrote: Anyway I'll make it known I'd lynch Palmar, if anything cause he bored the hell out of me when he showed up. I promise it's not cause he works in a bank. I don't think Palmar is mafia with Toad and Toad is mafia so Palmar is probably town. Seriously, Toad is so scummy. | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:46 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why did you track Vivax? I said i would track one of Vivax/Toad and i rng'd it. | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:52 Trfel wrote: From my perspective, tracking one of the claimed vigilantes seems pointless. If they really are vigilante, then they either got roleblocked (went nowhere) or visited their target. If they are mafia, then they either lied (went nowhere) or visited their target. You only gain information if one of the vigilantes visited someone other than the claimed to, which would be extremely stupid for them to do, unless they were framer/roleblocker. So I'm assuming that you were checking to see if Vivax was actually framer or roleblocker? Or am I missing something? You are half right. It doesn't matter which one i track if i tell i track one of them. If mafia has an way out they probably will not roleblock me. That means they will probably roleblock the vigi who is not mafia (yes, and i assume Toad is mafia -- so that would be Vivax here). Most likely the scum that is not a vigi (assuming there is one between them) is not going to do anything or is going to claim they shot mafia night kill. So it really does not matter which one of them i track, but it will give a 100% confirmation what one of the CLAIMED BLUES did. Had i tracked someone else they can just claim vanilla (or rather, i would not have claimed my check at all until later) and if i miss mafia/town PR i get no info at all. | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:53 rsoultin wrote: you know i kinda disagree lol that this confirms you town ^ however i do think that the waffle back and forth about calling you mafia or not based on your tracker claim (town) + your vote switch to BM (scum) is ridiculous like the main two people he was scumreading were you and Palmar for that...(but again it doesn't look like he knew what to do with your tracker claim lolol) and Palmar has absolutely no incentive to switch to the BM lynch (whereas I could actually argue reasons for you) if he's scum, because parking on Toad just makes him look stubborn Like do you think LS makes that sort of arguments on me if we are both mafia? I have to confront him in that case (which i did), i have to push him if he didn't give me reasonable answers (which he didn't). That is just stupid mafia play.... | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:03 Trfel wrote: So what you're saying is, because you weren't roleblocked, that means that mafia wasn't worried about the results of your tracking. And your conclusion is that Vivax is town and Toadesstern is mafia. I'm sorry, I just don't understand. You don't need to explain it again, hopefully enough other people understand it so it's a non-issue. What did toad do? | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:05 rsoultin wrote: I agree it's stupid mafia play, yes, rayn. It's a point in your favor lol ^^ I'm also rethinking my townread on Toad...problem is that's actually not a point in your favor, despite the fact you've been scumreading him but regardless...i'm not going to be completely forthcoming with all my thoughts right now for strategic reasons ^^ Why is it not? The dude apparently wants to lynch me BEFORE LS, the fucking red check. | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:11 Eden1892 wrote: Excuse me ray I need my q answered. Why did you hard claim to one of your biggest scumreads? I didn't claim "to one of my biggest scumreads". wtf? | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If Toad is scum he CCed a town vig to almost guarantee a 1 for 1 trade by D2. He also felt really genuine spamming his case, really believed in it and I had a productive session with him solving the game during N1. Hks reads also completely matched mine. No way is he scum. I don't care when he claimed. He has done things that are scummy. - He scumread me when he could not have scumread me (claimed so in his next post). - He wants to lynch me before the red checked guy. Toad would NEVER do that as town. NEVER. | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote: >> umm i think you can do that as town? it's just another example of bad play that doesn't necessarily make someone scummy i mean palmar like...regularly never reads as town xP fecalfeast <- same thing course they usually don't do the wall-of-text thing, but again, this doesn't confirm someone scum  secrets and awesomeness for EoN incoming lol JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU ARE JUST GIVING OUT FAKE READS?!?!?!!?!? I don't even know why i came back to saying something logical. bye. | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:22 rsoultin wrote: dude i'm saying toad can be scum will you calm down now? you're freaking out too much Except that things like that NECESSARILY MAKE SOMEONE MAFIA! | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:25 Eden1892 wrote: Lol you claimed to rsoultin on the spot after calling her scum repeatedly and then called her scum right after claiming. Plz. I claimed because i was pissed off for people making fucked up reads that make no sense on me like in Titanic. Sue me. | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:43 Vivax wrote: Rayn why are you TRing Palmar?I don't get it. I don't get anything of what he's doing and that ass play is the same play which made me lynch him in imperial. I think that if he actually rolled town in this game as well he's a shade of what he is capable of as he's probably the guy with most mafia experience in here and just doesn't give a fuck, but that's a reason in itself to remove him from the game on a rational basis as nobody can be able to read him correctly. The same reason I wanted Alakaslam dead. Because Toad is scumreading him for some stupid shit. And Toad is scum. I guess i can be wrong if Toad is not scum but i am pretty sure i am not. | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:43 Eden1892 wrote: No I get that for why you claimed blue. But your scumread literally said "hard claim or I won't accept it." Why care about a suspect making nonsense reads on you, let alone enough to claim your exact role to your alleged mafia? BECAUSE PRETTY MUCH THE LAST GAME SCUM LEAD A LYNCH ON ME FOR RETARDED SHIT WHEN I CAUGHT ALL THE MAFIA! | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:54 Eden1892 wrote: But this isn't that game. Not the same town or circumstances... Sorry I'm just not following. It remains weird to me. I have a lot of time to figure it out. You may have answered this already, so work with me if I missed it - what's your working theory for why Toad would fakeclaim? I don't know. As i said i do not care about his claim. I care about the fact he is doing stuff that does not make sense from town perspective. | ||
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I do that every game. I have claimed a cop at the start of the game once, to make people trust me. If i feel like there is mistrust in my reads and i have a way to make them read (in case i can't do that by just presenting them) then i claim if i can. | ||
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On March 24 2015 03:45 rsoultin wrote: :/ fake-claiming...really, really does not make you look more townie to me rayn lol >< can you just admit it so we can move on? you do realize that there are so many claims now that it's actually hurting us rather than helping us if you're not the real tracker for you to perpetuate the charade? get your facts straight: On January 04 2014 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay let's get this shit fully going on. Here's something to consider. I am going to die on N1 or N2 at last. If i do not i have somehow failed in this game and played under my standards. I really do want to lynch mafia on D1, therefore i won't allow people i work well with to discredit me in case they are scum. I am a Parity Cop. My role is useless, for me, as i said before. What i want to is people (especially yamato and thrawn who i know to be strong and work well with if they are town) to work with me without a doubt in their mind about my alignment. Now let's lynch mafia shall we? On January 09 2014 02:15 Blazinghand wrote: raynpelikoneet the 9 Scout has been shot! | ||
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I don't fakeclaim when it does not benefit me, i have never fakeclaimed as scum except for the bitchcraft game where i knew i could win as scum for doing that. I have reasons when i claim/fakeclaim. | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:07 Vivax wrote: Rayn a thing that ha sbeen buried and that many saw as relevant was that you felt like hardclaiming when your scumread rso prompted you. well it's not true. she didn't even have a case. why would i care as scum? | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:12 rsoultin wrote: you're missing the point if you think i'm scum why are you outing when i ask you...demand really...to hard claim? THAT IS NOT WHY I OUTED. WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO FUCKING RETARDED! I don't wanna play this game any more. | ||
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go fucking try. | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:21 rsoultin wrote: you do realize that the pulse of the thread right now means you probably will be lynched day 3? And i don't care about it the slightest. | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:19 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, I'm actually on your side on this one. But please, calm down and explain it. There are a lot of people who think this way. It's not worth yelling about. The funny part here is i already did. Which makes me fucking angry when people just fucking refuse to look at what i post and ask same stupid shit over and over again. | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:27 rsoultin wrote: fine i'll spell it out you claimed because you didn't want to be lynched and people weren't listening to you (you've pretty much already said it but i think part of the problem is you're not being terribly direct, however much you may think you are) No. I claimed because i wanted to be listened. I was puching fucking mafia. You are all terrible. AND DIDN'T LISTEN TO ME! | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:29 Trfel wrote: Who were you punching? Toadesstern? LighntnighStrike and Toad. | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:29 rsoultin wrote: rayn, if you're gonna curse and scream about people not reading, at least do me the courtesy of reading my entire post before flaming please and thank you ^^ At least you try to keep the thread reasonable. Like what the fuck are you doing? You agree with me but you are questioning me for something you think is not reasonable in the first place? What are you trying to do? Shit up the thread? | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:01 rsoultin wrote: i still am not convinced of your alignment, rayn >< or onegu's or fucking anyone's...i kinda wish it was night already >< yeah you sure have... you sure have. | ||
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Mafia is: Lightningstrike - cop checked Toadesstern - terrible read with no substance Superbia - terrible read with no substance ExO - claims cop with rolecop result one of Artanis / rsoultin. - one of them is just dumb. | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:49 Eden1892 wrote: Your ExO_ read is outdated and I really doubt either of the last 2 are mafia :/ I don't see anywhere where the host have cleared this, otherwise he is scum. | ||
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