TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy

On March 19 2015 15:04 Breshke wrote:
hey guys

On March 19 2015 08:24 rsoultin wrote:
>>

hf wasting no time

are you a slam whisperer? i thought i had him pegged but i was right and wrong at the same time so back to being not so sure after just a page or two of posting lol

On March 19 2015 09:02 Holyflare wrote:
cool tings slam

anyway, did toad really just disappear?

On March 19 2015 18:48 Breshke wrote:
My fave bit of this thread is where sicklucker says he doesn't read the thread as mafia. Then posts this



Which is retarded because he was town in the game he was referring to so what is he not reading this thread? This doesn't even make him mafia though it just makes him sicklucker.

Also i googled blanda upp. Not sure what I was expecting

On March 20 2015 08:03 Damdred wrote:
I haven't filtered anyone yet so all of my reads are from reading so it's subject to change.

Breshke might be the lynch today. Total lack of thread prescense not involved in anything at this point extremely lurky. Sort of like his other suck games in that regard need to compare tones and content and filter length,

Trfel is actually back on my radar since everything has stopped coming from that corner. But some of the earlier postings were good.

Rayn is still on my radar for previous said things

Sl I'm not sure he a obviously giving thoughts at this point.

Super is interesting but need to reread filter meh

Breshke most interests me at this moment though

On March 20 2015 10:11 Breshke wrote:
Eden why do you think exo is town now.



Says damdred and rsoultin look poor but never goes back to them.

Commits his entire postings to being about you even though he expressed doubts on damdred's and rsoultins alignment. Rso for one has been town read by a majority of people so if his opinion differs on this why not explain it to the group. This also reminds me of me as scum i get comfortable with a scum read and just constantly post questions and attack that person.

On March 20 2015 09:24 Breshke wrote:


I think i know what you are talking about but i was more referring to the fact that i felt like a town palmar would be more cautious about pining toad about similar things and would not drop it totally but not make it a focus.

I really like trfels response to me though.

Why do you think SL is town reading me.

On March 20 2015 10:57 Breshke wrote:


Im only on pg 60 but im up to the point where i think iv'e read this stuff before but still need to filter specific people but i can give you a list that probably wont have a number of people and i wont be writing shitty one line reasons because they always feel fake to me so ask about certain ones if you need to.

Town
RSo
Toad
Eden (maybe down a tier)
Tref

Town lean
Slam
HF
Damdred (could easily go up a tier)

Scum lean
Palmar

Scum
Exo
SL

Im missing like half the players here but will hopefully start reading filters soon. VE for example could easily go into town lean but i kinda want to read more into him but i liked the bit where he was going aaginst RSo about FF.

On March 20 2015 11:38 Eden1892 wrote:

so if mafia don't fight you then why are you scumreading damdred who's more actively engaging you than vivax

On March 20 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:
LS who is mafia?

On March 20 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote:


What did palmar get out of it that compared to rayn for you not to scumread him?

Also I understand that you are townreading Exo because of meta comparing to his other game. What questions of his have you liked that makes you draw comparisons with another game.

Also have any of your nulls changed at all from your last reads post. Even if you are reading some of them town now i'd like to hear it thankyou.

On March 21 2015 06:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Why Breshke?

On March 21 2015 06:24 Breshke wrote:
I would not be intrested in lynching Vig claims since that can easily resolve itself in the night

On March 21 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
Just give it a night, we force the vigs to shoot our own targets or they claim mafia. If they don't it's free mafia.

On March 21 2015 06:30 Breshke wrote:


are you trying to act tough or are you serious here?

On March 21 2015 06:28 Breshke wrote:


So both of you can't be roleblocked by mafia. If one of you doesn't shoot the other one then they die in the night.. If one of you shoots the other and they flip town big then they die. I think it is very unlikely we have two town vigi's.

With my plan the town vig gets a chance to shoot still. What will probs happen is that the town vig will get RB (they might not even have one) and the mafia vig wont shoot so that could be even better since the town vig willl still be alive and soak up a RB

On March 21 2015 06:33 Breshke wrote:


Why? I'm still groggy but isn't the ebst play here to just shoot your CC. If you are the real vig do you not most likely know they are mafia?

On March 21 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote:


That isn't plus one kp for mafia that is 2 kp the ssame amount they would have normally. I see the world you are talking about though mafia shoot 2 people and mafia vig shoots another town and then both mafia vigi's still claim RB. So yeah this is true we probably should choose today as if we lynch right we have the most to gain from it.

That being said if we have a tracker couldn't he just track one of the vigi's? (i guess if he is claimed it isn't much use)

Also if anyone could direct me to the pages in which the 2 vigi claims happen that would be really useful

On March 21 2015 07:02 Superbia wrote:


It's still possible that they're both town. I like HF's play. Let Vigi(s) do what they want, if mafia RB a vigi the tracker gets free reign, otherwise vigi(s) can confirm themselves (probably).

On March 21 2015 07:20 Breshke wrote:
I'd be willing to lynch LS aswell simply because i don't feel like he is trying to work out these claims

On March 21 2015 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote:

Vivax and Toad both claimed Vig
Rayn claimed Tracker
VE hardclaimed Sexy-As-Hell

On March 21 2015 12:28 Breshke wrote:


Can you tell me how this question is useful to ask during the night?

On March 21 2015 07:16 Breshke wrote:
I feel like there is holes in the plan but i'm willing to leave both alive and just lynch SL.

I wish more people had piled on him because I think it is easiest to tell his alignment when he is trying to get out of a lynch. Still with his random no reason townreads especially the one on me makes me think he is scummier than i normally do.

On March 22 2015 09:45 ExO_ wrote:


I will when I get home but Im not right now. So im asking so I can keep up with what people are saying in the thread right now

On March 21 2015 22:49 Vivax wrote:
LS who are your scumreads atm? Palmar and rayn and?

On March 20 2015 22:49 sicklucker wrote:


People tend to townread people they like more just saying. For example im never townread. Just something to be aware of subconsciously to be the best town you can be

On March 22 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:


So if onegu and rayn arnt mason they are mafia.

This means that rso did not get a save.

This means it is very likely toad is mafia because either mafia double stacked HF when there was no reason too. Or mafia also shot VE. I still haven't read a lot of what happend in the night and probs wont get to but I cant think why mafia would do that other than his PR claim

Also a chance mafia hit a vet but idk how likely that is

On March 24 2015 09:36 Breshke wrote:


Most lukely bullshutting. Dont think its allighnment indicitive for him though

On March 24 2015 09:34 ritoky wrote:
so i just read about this orb thing in the op. SL instantly claimed having the orb, what do people make of that? more likely town, more likely mafia, completely null? why?

On March 22 2015 00:06 Vivax wrote:


You still didn't say what you think about me now, cause that's important given that I don't know why you see the switching as scummy. Is it scummy to switch from town to town or from mafia to town?

On March 24 2015 14:37 Breshke wrote:
LS seems to ask palmar a lot of questions throughout the day yet never actually comes to a conclusion on him. That is until N1 happens and he seems to be building up to scum read him because of the BM switch



This feels really iffy if they are both mafia because LS wasn't really pushing much else if i recall. I don't remember is LS is prone to bussing either but i do know if palmar is mafia I think he would very likely tell his mafia partners to townread each other and I think LS would listen to him.

On March 25 2015 08:33 Breshke wrote:
So either they roleblocked and killed rso or FF is the mafiaroleblocker.

They probs roleblocked RSO though.

On March 25 2015 08:37 Breshke wrote:


Cos wouldnt they have rb SL? i understabd that they could have rb and killed rso to make sure she didnt get a save. But if they didnt do that where else would they have sent the rb other than sl who most likely used the orb to.kill palmar.

Im saying rso jailed ff which could have stopped the rb.

Also someone nominate this orb for best town performance

On March 25 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote:


But you were killing those blues anyway. I do agree that rso was most likely rb not exo though thats dumb.

I dont think its as crazy as you are making it seem that they tried to RB SL though and should be kept in mind going forward as it would heavily implicate FF

On March 22 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:


So if onegu and rayn arnt mason they are mafia.

This means that rso did not get a save.

This means it is very likely toad is mafia because either mafia double stacked HF when there was no reason too. Or mafia also shot VE. I still haven't read a lot of what happend in the night and probs wont get to but I cant think why mafia would do that other than his PR claim

Also a chance mafia hit a vet but idk how likely that is

On March 26 2015 08:39 Breshke wrote:


This was me forgetting that if onegu is mafia its possible rso blocked kp that he was delivering.

I don't think we should talk about who should be orb'd because there is probably a framer

On March 26 2015 10:12 Breshke wrote:


This is what i was reffering to. As Rso did not jail exo we can not 100% confirm that there was a role blocker. Which if she had we very most likely could have.

From someone who hasn't ead much of the game slam i think it would be useful fo you to decide weather or not the scum team has a RB. It is obviously very likely that they do. Idc if this is all wifom but what was the RB doing N1 if he was not role-blocking vivax.

Also damdred i said the LS thing before the BM lynch. I honestly can not remember why i didn't come back to it during N1 it might have been because rso convinced me otherwise or because talk was mainly domianted about the vig claims and what not. This would have been the only time for me to bring it up again because trefel came out early with a tracker claim.

Also if you are going to use the fact that palmar basically ignored me this game as a part of a reason to scumread me what is your read on FF because can the same not be said about him. I think I have been mainly passed over by a lot of people this game not for a fault in them but because ive been uninteresting and have done nothing. This was apart of the original reason i townread you damdred because you were the first person to bring me up for legitimate reasons and not just pass me over.

On March 26 2015 10:17 Breshke wrote:


Okay. So do you think he RB'd toad? or just randomly used the RB to hunt for other PR's?

On March 27 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote:
he argument between artanis and superbia made superbia look worse because i understood what artanis was saying whereas I had no idea wtf superbia was trying to say/do. That being said superbia should still not be lynched today.

Im down for lynching onegu or slam maybe FF but not theres a reason id rather not explain why that is bad this phase.

The people who say slam could be mafia but we shouldnt lynch him and just sort him out with the orb arn't really thinking it through because the orb has a 50% chance to do nothing if slam knows he is going to be orbed and you can literally say the same thing about anyone else you push on.

##Vote Onegu

On March 27 2015 02:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Toad is real vig and deserves more sheep than anyome

On March 27 2015 02:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Toad is real vig and deserves more sheep than anyome

On March 27 2015 07:45 Breshke wrote:




Same. Don't think same reason though

On March 27 2015 07:47 Breshke wrote:


cos my reason is probably dumb whereas i believe you think you have a good read on FF

On March 27 2015 07:49 Breshke wrote:


No unless you count accidental town pockets. Did you pocket me?

On March 27 2015 13:22 Breshke wrote:


Why were you happy to get lynched next day phase but not last one

On March 29 2015 09:51 Breshke wrote:


What game have i signed up for? If you are referring to the newbie game i signed up for that before i signed up for this game so not sure if that is what you are referring to.

On March 29 2015 18:50 Breshke wrote:
So I dont understand how any of superbias analysis is useful then because if he said he was going to track a vigi then scum wouldn't have cared about him.

I also find the logic weird from superbia that my read might be TMI on him because everyone else thinks he is scum. Then he goes on to say that everyones read on him sucks because he is town. He is also scumming me because he thinks i lurk before deadline even if you check my timezone you can see that deadline is early for me. Feels like he is running out of people to push lynches onto so is now going after me. The problem is this could still be town superbia just POEing and getting it wrong.

I also really dislike that ritoky comments that he doesn't like my vote swap even after i explained it yet never went back to it or said anything else about it,

On March 27 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote:
he argument between artanis and superbia made superbia look worse because i understood what artanis was saying whereas I had no idea wtf superbia was trying to say/do. That being said superbia should still not be lynched today.

Im down for lynching onegu or slam maybe FF but not theres a reason id rather not explain why that is bad this phase.

The people who say slam could be mafia but we shouldnt lynch him and just sort him out with the orb arn't really thinking it through because the orb has a 50% chance to do nothing if slam knows he is going to be orbed and you can literally say the same thing about anyone else you push on.

##Vote Onegu

On March 27 2015 07:12 Breshke wrote:


urgh i forgot you rng'd me to sheep you asking where i am then voting me makes so much more sense now urgjsdz'gds

On March 27 2015 07:13 Breshke wrote:


Onegu i forgot you rng to sheep me.

This post was weird as fuck because you say you want me to vote slam which makes me think you thought i was town then you vote me. I forgot about the sheep thing. Im switching to slam

On March 27 2015 02:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Toad is real vig and deserves more sheep than anyome

On March 27 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote:
he argument between artanis and superbia made superbia look worse because i understood what artanis was saying whereas I had no idea wtf superbia was trying to say/do. That being said superbia should still not be lynched today.

Im down for lynching onegu or slam maybe FF but not theres a reason id rather not explain why that is bad this phase.

The people who say slam could be mafia but we shouldnt lynch him and just sort him out with the orb arn't really thinking it through because the orb has a 50% chance to do nothing if slam knows he is going to be orbed and you can literally say the same thing about anyone else you push on.

##Vote Onegu

On March 30 2015 06:36 Breshke wrote:
Art what do you think is the most likely scumteam imagining I have flipped town?

On March 30 2015 07:24 Toadesstern wrote:
thoughts?

On March 30 2015 07:38 Breshke wrote:
Toad what are you on about the people that were "throwing away" their vote are still doing it except for me whow as voting ff intially so of course im not throwing away my vote now? I have no idea how you have made that conclusion

On March 30 2015 07:29 Breshke wrote:
I bet you taod thinks me and FF are partners and that im going to bitch out or something

On March 30 2015 06:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Some team involving Onegu/Superbia/FF/Ritoky and maybe I need to add Damdred to the list too which would pain my heart. Some exceptions due to combos that don't make sense which I explained before.

On March 30 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:


are you serious

On March 31 2015 10:30 Breshke wrote:


Exactly and mafia still need two misslynches to win so ritoky is trying to throw shit on onegu to secure him as the second misslynch after me.

Instead of lynching me today i think we should do this.

We lynch FECALFEAST. . When he flips scum we then lynch RITOKY. If he flips When he flips scum we then probably lynch DAMDRED.

If ANY of these people flip town town may instantly lynch me and we will just lose the game.

This is where i am at now and i do not see this changing much. I am not as sure on damdred but i do not have room to second guess myself anymore because both vigis have backed up their claims with good town play. Trefel is lock clear, SL deserves the win if he risked shooting a partner, art has put far too much effort into keeping the thread alive and moving forward to be scum and onegu's play while different has seemed to only have town motivation behind it.

The only way thisplan is bad is if you think I am scum and FF is not scum with me as it would result in a 1 for 1 trade which would put us in mylo which is probably worth it for scum.

On March 31 2015 09:29 Breshke wrote:
I dont see in anyway how onegu played that was antitown especially if he didnt realise the orb would dissapear.

If anything he made the only play that made sense last phase if he did indeed get the RB ability because outing with it would not have helped town at all.

Note that if onegu was scum he could have infact got the allighnment check ability but this is not something ritoky even considers he just accepts it as fact that onegu is telling the truth and did RB him. If ritoky was town i believe he would be more skeptical of his scumspect.

On March 31 2015 22:55 Breshke wrote:
I was trying to say that you and damdred are like the lowest on the POE list so its nost likely you two would be both alive dyring final 4. I agree its badly worded but how does that make sense if i think you sre both scum because yoy couldnt both be in final 4 because the game would be over.

On March 31 2015 22:42 Onegu wrote:
But you want us to lynch FF first?

Kill with fire

On March 20 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:


I actually have a question for you.

So you were talking with toad about his palmar scum read and you were basically along the lines of you don't really see it as palmar being scummy.

I'd actually agree with toad that it is. So palmar reads toad as scum for reasons and cbf's explaining them so jsut spams kill toad. Toad gets lynched and is town. I know that you trefel are very self conscious when you are wrong even if your case is really good and you try to change things so you don't make the same mistakes.

Why then do you think that palmar isn't doing that and seemingly ignores past mistakes. Obviously you arn't the same person but would you not think that it would cross palmars mind that oh I read toad as scum for doing this and he was town. Toad is doing these things again maybe this isn't a reason to call him scum.

On March 16 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Can I policy lynch ExO and or Tfrel if they don't make a case in the first 48 hours into the game?

On March 21 2015 22:54 LightningStrike wrote:

Those are my 100% based on the switches there maybe a 1% chance that Holyflare is Mafia with Onegu even though they claimed Mason but that would be dumb for them to claim Mason so early. Rsoultin said that ExO could be potental Mafia and so did you but I never played with Mafia!ExO yet so I can be wong on ExO's alignment (Shrugs).

On April 02 2015 06:39 Breshke wrote:


I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT.

Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming.

On April 02 2015 06:44 Breshke wrote:


Yes

On April 02 2015 06:48 Breshke wrote:


There isn't a reason. I was jsut paranoid of him because N1 could easily be no kp missing and mafia jsut counted on there being a saving role.

I don't care about this though because if he is im not going to help lynching him since i can hardly convince people on ff or ritoky so i havnt looked into this at all

On April 02 2015 07:16 Breshke wrote:
This is useless stop talking about toad. Its me FF or ritoky today

On April 02 2015 07:17 Breshke wrote:
Damdred why were you pushing me all last phase yet you seemed to jsut drop it this phase?

On April 02 2015 07:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I will vote for Ritoky if he ends up coming back before deadline. The potential double lynch would allow us to gain a lynch and that opportunity is too great to ignore.