EPTTL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy - Page 7
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On March 29 2015 09:15 Superbia wrote: I also presume that scum has orb, since there have been no post-night claims? Like even a possible town result could be useful. well...has everyone posted since the phase change? breshke hasn't right? hold on while I theory craft for a moment here. incoming utter wifom dump | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I already brought up orb wifom things during EoN, could've scared scum off from claiming anything if they had the orb. yes but what I am saying is that if scum is truly in the dumpster and in the PoE list, then why wouldn't they make any play available to gain cred? | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Anyway my carpet bomb strategy prefers Ritoky going all out on figuring Damdred out then lynching Ritoky and seeing if there's any reason to worry. This is further bolstered by the fact that Ritoky first agreed, then (if scum) realized that he'd have to flip scum for it, flips his thoughts and flips his read on me on something that is pretty much null (I'm pretty sure he had a townread on me until that point), asks Vivax about the plan (why Vivax specifically?) and flips his tunnel on Damdred (90 mentions) entirely. I said, and maintain; that I will gladly get PoE lynched if people add damdred to the PoE list in place of someone else. not a soul outside of me has done so yet. | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What could they claim that could gain them cred? The kill went through, any VT claim on anyone would just connect them. you think scum is in your PoE, this means scum must be in a 0 win position if the current state of the game proceeds. from this position, if scum had the orb they would utilize it to curry favor or make a desperation play red checking someone who would throw the game into chaos. | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The orb can't red check anyone, just rolecheck. Any mafia in PoE claiming a red check on someone outside of PoE would get lynched first anyway. Mafia could still think they can win if they eliminate the most vocal townies and convince the more paranoid ones to lynch with them. isn't any role outside of the claimed ones now essentially a red check? and why the hell would you lynch someone red checking someone before the red check? the fuck? that is just procedurally wrong outside of lylo. | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Convince me someone is more town in my PoE 5 than Damdred and I will. tell me why damdred is town first. I mean people seem to have an unimpeachable TR on him and no1 has ever said why. | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Effort and detail in analysis. He's made multiple posts in a style I've never seen him do as mafia. I've also thought on one line with him a few times this game early on. He's made two vote count analyses which are the biggest posts in his filter and they look quite good, you should be able to find them fairly quickly. I can pretty much sum a lot of my rebuttal to this up by saying: Imperial Mafia. This is a bad metric to read him on, and I find none of it compelling. I have looked through his filter. Although I am not as sure as before on him. I have softened a bit. That said, if damdred is mafia, he is 100% with Onegu. | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was scum with him in Imperial and I find that he's definitely playing beyond that right now. In Imperial, he was always hanging a bit in the danger zone, and I don't think he ever created an analysis like he has this game. I'll look it up just to make sure though. I was also scum with you two, which is why I find it hard to see you believing what you're typing lol. Maybe it's a lost in translation thing, or maybe my read is superior. | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also still want an explanation for this. And your read on me right now. I don't know what you're referring to. You're referring to things I don't really remember, sorry....and I don't have the focus to dig through filters with pregnancy congratulations never fucking ending. pretty much I said I am okay being PoE'd to eden if he moved damdred in and some1 who was a good town read out. he refused, so I said w/e guess it ain't happening. stuff with vivax don't really remember. my read on you has been town on the stupid ground that you helped me with a bunch of catchup info early in the game in a non-dickish or pocket way that seemed pretty objective. I found no motive other than helping, so you're town and if you're mafia I am pocketed and losing. | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Have you thoroughly gone into the analysis he's done though? I find it extremely hard to imagine he can fake that as scum. Also what's with this soft accusing thing I highlighted? I'll ask again: What is your read on me? damdred has taken up copying a couple of my metrics that I do in terms of vote analysis...which I actually haven't been keeping track of this game for the first time in forever. it has improved both his town analysis and his fake analysis as scum imo. recency thing | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And I think you're really wrong here because you're describing the only play mafia could make to win if they're all in PoE and for some reason you want to give them that chance when I'm over 95% certain on every townread of mine besides MAYBE Damdred. I'm not going to ignore the strength of these reads and the desparation mafia would have based on a single redcheck, that's ridiculous. you have a list of 5. say you're correct, and say every person outside the 5 agrees to lynch that PoE list (which is largely the case of this game). doesn't that create a 0% chance of mafia victory if all of them are in that pool? is my math wrong here? which means either mafia has to make a play surrounding the orb OR you have to be wrong somewhere. assuming mafia has the orb. | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually, I was wrong. You were never okay with the idea, you instantly replied cautiously. What made you change from thinking I might be scum for this post to now again reading me town? Half an hour later, you asked Vivax what he thought about my post. Why Vivax? Now that you've confirmed you think I'm town, that post can no longer be a reason why you switched your opinion on Damdred, so why did you switch your opinion from being near certain to possibly? to answer second bit first: I was paranoid about being wrong on damdred, you capitalizing on the confidence of my read, and taking the game quickly to LYLO as mafia. and then 2 things happened: 1) I thought to myself that I don't remember you being that ballsy/flashy as a mafia player and 2) my wife got pregnant. as a result of these things and eden dying I have resigned myself to losing to you if you have fooled me. idk why I asked vivax, don't remember. probably because he is a claimed vigi who I was interacting with at the time. why is it strange that I asked a claimed vigi's opinion? near certain to possible is because I always doubt my early reads over time and usually it fucks me and I shoulda just stuck to my god tier early reads. | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you're telling me to look at Imperial. I look at Imperial and see it's inferior to what he's done here, then you tell me he's improved it? You can't have it both ways. Doesn't your argument suggest that we should always lynch into the person making the claim if they're in PoE yourself? Why did you argue otherwise earlier? I meant for effort and tone look at imperial, that isn't compelling at all. okay, here's the scenario: scum has orb. scum is all in PoE. PoE scum claims orb red check on non-PoE player. that is the play I am referring to. did we have confusion somewhere along the line? And my play suggests that since a play with the orb wasn't made that either a townie is trying to be cute or that your PoE is wrong somewhere. | ||
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I have now been playing longer than Rayn was playing. If you make a read on my slot and it includes more about Rayn than about me, I will not address it in the slightest and regard it as uninformed baby spittle. LOOKING AT YOU SUPERBIA | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:42 Superbia wrote: I need to go to sleep soon. Ritoky, from your perspective, if you're town, Rayn fakeclaiming Tracker and not getting RBed (seemingly) nor getting put KP on should influence your reads. From your perspective, a confirmed town fake claimed a cop role and did not get answered whatsoever. In fact, they chose to roleblock a Vigi. Why are you not questioning this vigi? no idea what you're talking about. didn't read any of it. and why should my predecessor's retarded play influence my reads? he did a bunch of stupid shit and ppl wanted to lynch him. only thing that informs my opinion is my role pm and reads. | ||
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On March 29 2015 13:24 Trfel wrote: I see three practical possibilities for the Night 1 KP. Assuming that Onegu town, you lost me | ||
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