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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 19 2015 13:59 GMT
#1221
On March 19 2015 22:58 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 19 2015 22:54 Vivax wrote:
On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town:
On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:
Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet.

I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won

Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you.

I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably)

With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it.

Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town?


from JoaT:
On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.

Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game

not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me.

Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different?

Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned.

I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled.
Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game.
So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh.
@Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why?
@ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other?


Oh god this post is so mafia

Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays.


And he's not straight to the point and logorrhoic as town as well? There's so many parts in that post that make me wonder "why would you post this as town".

LS reasons almost purely from meta, patterns and all that. I've observed him play mafia in JOAT and he had massive problems posting there. The fact that he posted a lot in a row yesterday night almost confirms him as town alone.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 19 2015 14:01 GMT
#1222
Honestly the initial give I got from ls post was he was town. But yea I want his reads
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22255 Posts
March 19 2015 14:01 GMT
#1223
Ok? I read that post as inconclusive text diarrhea with a bit of summarizing and history of other games, and I can't fathom what he would want to tell us with all of that except that he trs Artanis and doesn't have an opinion/is unsure on rayn and Palmar.

Can you use some spacing maybe.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22255 Posts
March 19 2015 14:05 GMT
#1224
Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game.


I mean, how does this fit into the post context? Is this a scumread on rsoulting, what does this have to do with Toad's question? LS just reads like a super nervous poster.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 19 2015 14:05 GMT
#1225
Hm I just went through LS' filter on JOAT and actually he did post a few consecutive posts. I guess what stuck to me was how he mentioned in the scumqt how hard it was to post and how the rest of the team had to really encourage him to post.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 19 2015 14:05 GMT
#1226
On March 19 2015 22:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 22:38 Superbia wrote:
Yo. Real quick, damdred is probable scum. I haven't really evaluated Vivax's alignment yet, though the whole thing looks pretty meh? I was never angry? I was having fun playing the game. Like Vivax, you even hinted to my scum game, why aren't you drawing any parallels?

So, Damdred. Our reads have lined up pretty well, as can be told from my filter. We both had HF and Palmar as town early on. And Damdred had SL and trfel as scum. I was burying SL pretty hard yesterday (admittedly, maybe a bit too hard, but let's see what he brings today) and I was pushing on trfel, who you had as scum and according to your filter, were very unsure of. How is me pushing on trfel a scummy thing when you were leaning scum on him around the same time?

Why isn't the thought process "well, I was scum-leaning on trfel as well, so I guess I can see where he's coming from"? Instead it is "trfel is town. Super pushed on him in a "dickish" way. He must be mafia". What? This doesn't line up at all with what is supposed to be your thought process. Why do we have similar reads if I'm mafia? Why am I burying SL so hard if, according to your world, we're mafia together?

Btw. I was never angry. That is such fabricated nonsense.


Saying you're angry didn't come from me. However your approach to questioning people does seem overly intonated, so to say, without a followup that reflects the same mood.

Briefly summarized, which looks like you try to make your posts sound more meaningful than your followup suggests it is to you.

Here's an example:

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 10:19 Superbia wrote:
Also I kind of rescind on the trfel thing. I actually did not read the context fully, and was not aware he was answering the whole "why are you specifying it to 4 or 5" thing. Was reading it out of context.


Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 10:54 Superbia wrote:
On March 19 2015 10:52 Trfel wrote:
On March 19 2015 10:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
am I wrong or did eden fakeclaim miller?
I think there's a very reasonable chance it's a joke. Though of course you are right that if Eden is in fact a miller, he wouldn't know.

Claiming unaware miller is something I was planning on doing eventually. Actually, I would have done that this game, but I forgot and claimed mafia instead.


Why are you defending trfel? What are you with my TWO(!) 30m passes?


After yours and Eden's post on Trfel HF and Artanis disagreed with the two of you. You rescinded, yet your focus seems to be almost entirely on Trfel for the scumclaim, as you call him out for defending Eden post-miller-fakeclaim. It's like you decided that the scumclaim made him look bad and then decided to keep going after him for other reasons.

All the while you seem to not want to give Eden a read (unless I missed something?) even though you both mindmelded on Trfel, he fakeclaimed miller and later you asked why people are voting for him, so clearly you're thinking something about Eden you didn't tell to the thread yet.

So, what would your read on Eden be?


I like to put emotions in my posts, especially if they're short. This is not really alignment indicative (if any it's more indicative of my townplay).

This:

[quote]Briefly summarized, which looks like you try to make your posts sound more meaningful than your followup suggests it is to you.[/unquote]

is a whole bunch of wat to me. I'm not even sure what alignment your mindset is to reach this conclusion. I do like to blend in jokes and serious questions from time to time, but does that make me mafia? I sincerely doubt it. If anything, I would be more consistently serious as mafia. This is about as best an answer you're going to get from me on this.

I rescinded on Trfel because I obviously read the context of his answer wrong. I saw a whole bunch of text analyzing and justifying how many mafia are in the game according to him, and my alarm bells went off instantly and I acted upon it. When I first read the post I actually thought he was justifying asking how many mafia were in the game.

With the whole trfel defending eden thing I was only partially considering eden (for a slight moment), but I was more curious as to why trfel felt the need to defend eden at that point in time. It felt like it could be mafia trying to score some easy townpoints or something. Felt kinda off to me.

Also, Eden is town.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 19 2015 14:07 GMT
#1227
On March 19 2015 22:49 Damdred wrote:
I do love it when people get upset towards me and call me scum when I put them in my scum lost this early. It gives me warm tinglies


It doesn't line up. You should be reading me town purely based on us having similar reads throughout the game. The fact that you don't know this but are still willing to call me mafia is alarming.
Minimal effort.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 19 2015 14:11 GMT
#1228
O.O you Europeans post so much.....

I'll try to catch up sometime later today, but I need to go to class, so this could take quite some time.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22255 Posts
March 19 2015 14:14 GMT
#1229
Super what I don't get is your opinion on the fake miller claim at the time. If you found it scummy then it warrants that question to Trfel, but judging from your posting you didn't even deem it comment-worthy. You jump at Trfel for suggesting that the claim is a joke even though for you that didn't seem to be an issue.

Did you at any point in time think that Eden was mafia who made a blooper when fakeclaiming?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2015 14:14 GMT
#1230
so what we've pretty much established is that my list post is awesome and you should all sheep me onto rayn

ty
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22255 Posts
March 19 2015 14:16 GMT
#1231
On March 19 2015 23:14 Holyflare wrote:
so what we've pretty much established is that my list post is awesome and you should all sheep me onto rayn

ty


We are the 0,000000001 percent
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 19 2015 14:16 GMT
#1232
I'd rather give Rayn some more time because putting pressure on Rayn rarely has its intended effect and we're not even half a day in.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2015 14:17 GMT
#1233
On March 19 2015 23:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd rather give Rayn some more time because putting pressure on Rayn rarely has its intended effect and we're not even half a day in.


no i've literally caught him out on something that makes him most definitely mafia, he can bitch and whine all you want and you can relax in the knowledge that he's just still plain old mafia and we are guaranteed a mafia lynch today

so sheep me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2015 14:18 GMT
#1234
all he wants*
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 19 2015 14:18 GMT
#1235
On March 19 2015 23:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 23:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd rather give Rayn some more time because putting pressure on Rayn rarely has its intended effect and we're not even half a day in.


no i've literally caught him out on something that makes him most definitely mafia, he can bitch and whine all you want and you can relax in the knowledge that he's just still plain old mafia and we are guaranteed a mafia lynch today

so sheep me
And you're more sure about this than your previous reads on Alakaslam and sicklucker?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 19 2015 14:19 GMT
#1236
no i've literally caught him out on something that makes him most definitely mafia

No you haven't, he's just been pretty useless so far. Piling on him is just going to make him mad and be guaranteed unproductive for the rest of the day and shit up the thread. If he's still unproductive by the time we approach deadline I'm happy to vote him but not until then.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2015 14:19 GMT
#1237
On March 19 2015 23:18 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 23:17 Holyflare wrote:
On March 19 2015 23:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd rather give Rayn some more time because putting pressure on Rayn rarely has its intended effect and we're not even half a day in.


no i've literally caught him out on something that makes him most definitely mafia, he can bitch and whine all you want and you can relax in the knowledge that he's just still plain old mafia and we are guaranteed a mafia lynch today

so sheep me
And you're more sure about this than your previous reads on Alakaslam and sicklucker?


my slam read was a misunderstanding and i've put him on the down lo for now, sicklucker is just sicklucker and makes no sense whatsoever at all so it's impossible to be sure on him so i've also given him some time to actually do something productive and post things that aren't a defence
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 19 2015 14:20 GMT
#1238
On March 19 2015 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
no i've literally caught him out on something that makes him most definitely mafia

No you haven't, he's just been pretty useless so far. Piling on him is just going to make him mad and be guaranteed unproductive for the rest of the day and shit up the thread. If he's still unproductive by the time we approach deadline I'm happy to vote him but not until then.


well you can sit there twiddling your thumbs all day thinking like this but i'm telling you I HAVE caught him on something that makes him definitely mafia, rayn is NOT a useless player, he pretty much called out mafia in his last town game within the first few times he was posting, there is nothing productive whatsoever

he's just been pretty useless so far


^ this is not something you should EVER attribute to town rayn at any point in time
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 19 2015 14:21 GMT
#1239
On March 19 2015 23:14 Vivax wrote:
Super what I don't get is your opinion on the fake miller claim at the time. If you found it scummy then it warrants that question to Trfel, but judging from your posting you didn't even deem it comment-worthy. You jump at Trfel for suggesting that the claim is a joke even though for you that didn't seem to be an issue.

Did you at any point in time think that Eden was mafia who made a blooper when fakeclaiming?


I disagree. I think it was interesting, but I could see the fake-claim coming from either alignment. I thought trfel's hard defense was much more interesting. I was wondering why he was willing to defend eden like that. In retrospect I actually completely forgot about it. Looking at his filter now it seems like he seemed unsure about eden prior to FF bringing up the fake claim. Which makes the hard defend more strange. Trfel, any input on this?

Also I hesistated on Eden for a slight moment when FF came out with the info, as I said before. As it stands, I think my town read on Eden still holds somewhat solid.
Minimal effort.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 19 2015 14:22 GMT
#1240
On March 19 2015 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
no i've literally caught him out on something that makes him most definitely mafia

No you haven't, he's just been pretty useless so far. Piling on him is just going to make him mad and be guaranteed unproductive for the rest of the day and shit up the thread. If he's still unproductive by the time we approach deadline I'm happy to vote him but not until then.
This reminds me a whole lot of ritoky last game...

If raynpelikoneet does flip mafia, this probably deserves a second look. Just saving it for my memory.
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