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On March 19 2015 22:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town: On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet. I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won  Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you. I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably) With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it. Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town? from JoaT: On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me. Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different? Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned. I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other? Oh god this post is so mafia
Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays.
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On March 19 2015 22:58 Palmar wrote:
LS are you blue?
Don't answer this.
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On March 19 2015 22:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 22:54 Vivax wrote:On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town: On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet. I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you. I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably) With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it. Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town? from JoaT: On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me. Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different? Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned. I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other? Oh god this post is so mafia Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays. And he's not straight to the point and logorrhoic as town as well? There's so many parts in that post that make me wonder "why would you post this as town".
LS reasons almost purely from meta, patterns and all that. I've observed him play mafia in JOAT and he had massive problems posting there. The fact that he posted a lot in a row yesterday night almost confirms him as town alone.
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Hm I just went through LS' filter on JOAT and actually he did post a few consecutive posts. I guess what stuck to me was how he mentioned in the scumqt how hard it was to post and how the rest of the team had to really encourage him to post.
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I'd rather give Rayn some more time because putting pressure on Rayn rarely has its intended effect and we're not even half a day in.
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no i've literally caught him out on something that makes him most definitely mafia
No you haven't, he's just been pretty useless so far. Piling on him is just going to make him mad and be guaranteed unproductive for the rest of the day and shit up the thread. If he's still unproductive by the time we approach deadline I'm happy to vote him but not until then.
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On March 19 2015 23:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:no i've literally caught him out on something that makes him most definitely mafia No you haven't, he's just been pretty useless so far. Piling on him is just going to make him mad and be guaranteed unproductive for the rest of the day and shit up the thread. If he's still unproductive by the time we approach deadline I'm happy to vote him but not until then. This reminds me a whole lot of ritoky last game... If raynpelikoneet does flip mafia, this probably deserves a second look. Just saving it for my memory.
This is dumb thinking because I'm committing myself to voting for Rayn if he doesn't improve regardless.
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On March 19 2015 23:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 23:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 23:22 Trfel wrote:On March 19 2015 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:no i've literally caught him out on something that makes him most definitely mafia No you haven't, he's just been pretty useless so far. Piling on him is just going to make him mad and be guaranteed unproductive for the rest of the day and shit up the thread. If he's still unproductive by the time we approach deadline I'm happy to vote him but not until then. This reminds me a whole lot of ritoky last game... If raynpelikoneet does flip mafia, this probably deserves a second look. Just saving it for my memory. This is dumb thinking because I'm committing myself to voting for Rayn if he doesn't improve regardless. Which is exactly what mafia!Artanis[Xp] would want to do with suspicion on mafia!raynpelikoneet. I see why town!Artanis[Xp] would do exactly what you just did. And I think the chance that my comment actually means something isn't all that high. I'm just saying it to make sure I don't forget. When I miss something and it costs me the game (in this case, lost the game at 5p LYLO due to this), I want to make sure I don't make the same mistake again.
So you see the logic behind a Town!Artanis and a Mafia!Artanis saying it. That means it's not alignment indicative, so why would you want to remember it?
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On March 20 2015 02:20 Toadesstern wrote:okay here's the thing about Artanis, to get this straight with context I'll explain the context for you guys as well! It is 24:00 CET, the game begings. Toad is currently playing boat-moba thus only posting inbetween and didn't even realize the game started. Thus the rushed inbetween posts while alt-tabbing in games. About 01:00 CET, my internet crashes and I am afk for about... idk at least an hour About 02:00 CET, I'm back and actually doing stuff. You might not agree with things I did like my Palmar read but I did some stuff. Enough for people to figure out that I don't like Palmar and want him lynched at least. This continues until around 05:30 CET. Argueably I got distracted everytime HF got in the thread but I felt like I was actually getting my thoughts out at least when I made it pretty obvious that I don't want to lean back another game as townie and just lose that way. So that's the basic background, Artanis gets in the thread and posts this: Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1) I'm reading Toad's filter now and the only thing I got out of it was that he thinks Palmar is scum, some interactions with SL 2) and a lot of fluff particularly on Pg 2. 3) What I don't really understand is why he let go of the Palmar scum theory in favour of chasing SL, then jumped back to Palmar without any real 'trigger' for it other than rsoultin asking him.
Problem with that is that he mentions he's back to voting for Palmar in response to that question before he expands, so he had already been thinking of switching back to Palmar before anyone triggered him. Palmar hadn't posted between the time Toad switched to SL and went back to Palmar. 3 important things here: 1) Hypocrisy. He even mentioned someone else being a hypocrite towards him and fos'es me for only getting 1 mafiaread during the time between... 00:00AM and 05:30AM? He knows I'm from europe, he knows I've got to sleep, heck I even wrote it in the thread and he says he doesn't know enough about my reads despite him not giving out a single hard read up to that point. Check his filter up to that point and you won't find anything and yet he criticizes me for that?
False, I went after Alakaslam, SL, and called out Superbia in that time.
2) He knows me. Everyone on here that knows me knows that I'm the boxxy of TL-mafia. I post a lot. I post a lot of big walls that noone reads. Chances are you, my dear non-reader, aren't actually reading this very sentence because you already gave up on it because it's too long and fully. That's what I do. No matter of alignment. Every single game.
Sorry I just can't help it but he knows that I do it and he knows that I do it no matter of alignment. There's a big famous game that I had with VE + gom... whatever his name was that had like 200pages by the end of d2 because we're all very talkactive. He knows about that shit. He should not bring up my fluffyness no matter how cute I am.
Actually, I don't know you that well though I've always found you to be a good addition to games I've hosted as you generally had a positive vibe, one which I'm kind of missing this game so far. Not alignment indicative though as you've had it as both alignments, but a shame. Fluffyness is relevant when it's the majority of your filter.
3) I never gave up on Palmar. I think I made it plenty clear that I want him lynched and if I ever get the chance to lynch him I'm going to grab that chance and kick him out of this game. So HF reads me mafia for focussing too much on Palmar, Artanis reads me mafia for not focusing enough on Palmar and discussing other people even if I think Palmar is 99% confirmed mafia at this point. Great.
My point was that you went back to Palmar without anything initiating it. You just randomly decided "hey let's go back to Palmar" without anything seemingly triggering you. Like I said in my initial post, the way you replied to rso insinuated that you were already in the process of going back to him without him posting in the meantime.
Did anyone here really think I let go of my Palmar read in general? I thought it was pretty damn obvious that I was just putting it aside for a sec to discuss some other stuff at that time, in this case SL.
Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia. He directly goes against what HF thinks and comes to the same conclusion as HF with the opposite interpretation with his #3. He knows better than to use #2 and he himself is worse than me for what he's accusing me about with his #1 at that point in time.
I didn't read HF's suspicions on you. I was triggered to read your filter by remembering that Palmar suspected you, and the reason I brought the whole thing up was because Palmar and Rayn were in a shitfight that wasn't going anywhere and I wanted to redirect their attention and get reads on a broader field.
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Also, afaik HF's suspicion on Toad came from an early post rather than anything to do with how he chased Palmar.
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On March 20 2015 03:41 Toadesstern wrote:
man mutsuki just sucks... minekaze was a crapton more fun to play.
Voting Artanis because I think I'm more likely to get him lynched than Palmar. No real change of mind, just that.
this does not in any way or form mean I am backing down from my Palmar-read or think Artanis is more scummy than Palmar. I think they're both scummy, Palmar a lot more so than Artanis but if I can't get Palmar I'll take Artanis instead.
Don't even dare to call me backpaddling on my Palmar-read. I. Am. Not. In. The. Slightest.
backpedaling
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On March 20 2015 03:43 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 03:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 02:20 Toadesstern wrote:okay here's the thing about Artanis, to get this straight with context I'll explain the context for you guys as well! It is 24:00 CET, the game begings. Toad is currently playing boat-moba thus only posting inbetween and didn't even realize the game started. Thus the rushed inbetween posts while alt-tabbing in games. About 01:00 CET, my internet crashes and I am afk for about... idk at least an hour About 02:00 CET, I'm back and actually doing stuff. You might not agree with things I did like my Palmar read but I did some stuff. Enough for people to figure out that I don't like Palmar and want him lynched at least. This continues until around 05:30 CET. Argueably I got distracted everytime HF got in the thread but I felt like I was actually getting my thoughts out at least when I made it pretty obvious that I don't want to lean back another game as townie and just lose that way. So that's the basic background, Artanis gets in the thread and posts this: On March 19 2015 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1) I'm reading Toad's filter now and the only thing I got out of it was that he thinks Palmar is scum, some interactions with SL 2) and a lot of fluff particularly on Pg 2. 3) What I don't really understand is why he let go of the Palmar scum theory in favour of chasing SL, then jumped back to Palmar without any real 'trigger' for it other than rsoultin asking him.
Problem with that is that he mentions he's back to voting for Palmar in response to that question before he expands, so he had already been thinking of switching back to Palmar before anyone triggered him. Palmar hadn't posted between the time Toad switched to SL and went back to Palmar. 3 important things here: 1) Hypocrisy. He even mentioned someone else being a hypocrite towards him and fos'es me for only getting 1 mafiaread during the time between... 00:00AM and 05:30AM? He knows I'm from europe, he knows I've got to sleep, heck I even wrote it in the thread and he says he doesn't know enough about my reads despite him not giving out a single hard read up to that point. Check his filter up to that point and you won't find anything and yet he criticizes me for that? False, I went after Alakaslam, SL, and called out Superbia in that time. 2) He knows me. Everyone on here that knows me knows that I'm the boxxy of TL-mafia. I post a lot. I post a lot of big walls that noone reads. Chances are you, my dear non-reader, aren't actually reading this very sentence because you already gave up on it because it's too long and fully. That's what I do. No matter of alignment. Every single game.
Sorry I just can't help it but he knows that I do it and he knows that I do it no matter of alignment. There's a big famous game that I had with VE + gom... whatever his name was that had like 200pages by the end of d2 because we're all very talkactive. He knows about that shit. He should not bring up my fluffyness no matter how cute I am. Actually, I don't know you that well though I've always found you to be a good addition to games I've hosted as you generally had a positive vibe, one which I'm kind of missing this game so far. Not alignment indicative though as you've had it as both alignments, but a shame. Fluffyness is relevant when it's the majority of your filter. 3) I never gave up on Palmar. I think I made it plenty clear that I want him lynched and if I ever get the chance to lynch him I'm going to grab that chance and kick him out of this game. So HF reads me mafia for focussing too much on Palmar, Artanis reads me mafia for not focusing enough on Palmar and discussing other people even if I think Palmar is 99% confirmed mafia at this point. Great. My point was that you went back to Palmar without anything initiating it. You just randomly decided "hey let's go back to Palmar" without anything seemingly triggering you. Like I said in my initial post, the way you replied to rso insinuated that you were already in the process of going back to him without him posting in the meantime. Did anyone here really think I let go of my Palmar read in general? I thought it was pretty damn obvious that I was just putting it aside for a sec to discuss some other stuff at that time, in this case SL.
Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia. He directly goes against what HF thinks and comes to the same conclusion as HF with the opposite interpretation with his #3. He knows better than to use #2 and he himself is worse than me for what he's accusing me about with his #1 at that point in time. I didn't read HF's suspicions on you. I was triggered to read your filter by remembering that Palmar suspected you, and the reason I brought the whole thing up was because Palmar and Rayn were in a shitfight that wasn't going anywhere and I wanted to redirect their attention and get reads on a broader field. you mentioned them, you never ended up really calling them mafia. In fact I'm the only mafia in your list you posted later on the the read on them has got to be a lot weaker than the one on me, right?
I ended up townreading Alakaslam and Superbia both for reasons in my filter. You and Rayn are currently my only mafia suspects, which is unfortunate but I'm better at finding town than scum so it is what it is.
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On March 20 2015 03:46 Toadesstern wrote:that's literally the first time you comment on some hard reads of yours: Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Leaning Town
Trfel - Questioned # of mafia after Superbia already did and got a nasty response from it. Doesn't seem to be afraid of any backlash, posting carefree.
LightningStrike - See above. Would expect him to have more trouble posting as mafia.
Fecalfeast - Brought up point against SL, didn't try to bury him
ExO_ - Made a stupid question, got called out on it by a lot of people, still responded and came to a reasonable for him conclusion.
Cautiously leaning town
rsoultin - Rayn and HF said so, haven't really looked into her further.
Alakaslam - Genuinely seems to want to change his meta in contrast to last time he rolled scum where he just admitted it was his scum meta.
Holyflare & Damdred - Similar thoughts a few times throughout the game, such as with ExO_ and Alakaslam.
Null
Everyone not on other lists.
Leaning Mafia
Toadesstern - Went after Palmar, then lots of fluff, then went after SL, then suddenly went back to Palmar without Palmar posting in between. Hasn't been as productive as Town!Toad normally is.
##Vote Toadesstern and I'm the only one in your mafiareads while you go at me for only being on Palmar. So it's fine for you to only have one read but it's not fine for me to only have one? I mentioned a bunch of people without putting them in the "KILL IT WITH FIRE" treshhold either.
I didn't go after you for only being on Palmar. That's not my argument at all, what I'm saying is that for no reason at all you switched back from SL to Palmar when he had posted nothing in the meantime. THAT'S what I'm saying.
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Also Rayn I should be pretty much confirmed town to you.
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On March 20 2015 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also Rayn I should be pretty much confirmed town to you. Am i saying otherwise?
You said Toad had good points which suggests that you no longer considered me in that fashion.
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On March 20 2015 03:50 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 03:46 Toadesstern wrote:that's literally the first time you comment on some hard reads of yours: On March 19 2015 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Leaning Town
Trfel - Questioned # of mafia after Superbia already did and got a nasty response from it. Doesn't seem to be afraid of any backlash, posting carefree.
LightningStrike - See above. Would expect him to have more trouble posting as mafia.
Fecalfeast - Brought up point against SL, didn't try to bury him
ExO_ - Made a stupid question, got called out on it by a lot of people, still responded and came to a reasonable for him conclusion.
Cautiously leaning town
rsoultin - Rayn and HF said so, haven't really looked into her further.
Alakaslam - Genuinely seems to want to change his meta in contrast to last time he rolled scum where he just admitted it was his scum meta.
Holyflare & Damdred - Similar thoughts a few times throughout the game, such as with ExO_ and Alakaslam.
Null
Everyone not on other lists.
Leaning Mafia
Toadesstern - Went after Palmar, then lots of fluff, then went after SL, then suddenly went back to Palmar without Palmar posting in between. Hasn't been as productive as Town!Toad normally is.
##Vote Toadesstern and I'm the only one in your mafiareads while you go at me for only being on Palmar. So it's fine for you to only have one read but it's not fine for me to only have one? I mentioned a bunch of people without putting them in the "KILL IT WITH FIRE" treshhold either. I didn't go after you for only being on Palmar. That's not my argument at all, what I'm saying is that for no reason at all you switched back from SL to Palmar when he had posted nothing in the meantime. THAT'S what I'm saying. so show me the post that made you think I thought Palmar was a bad lynch. Because I'm pretty sure I never backed down on that in the first place.
Again you're changing my argument to something I never said. I never said you think Palmar is a bad lynch. This is my argument:
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On March 20 2015 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 03:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 03:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 03:46 Toadesstern wrote:that's literally the first time you comment on some hard reads of yours: On March 19 2015 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Leaning Town
Trfel - Questioned # of mafia after Superbia already did and got a nasty response from it. Doesn't seem to be afraid of any backlash, posting carefree.
LightningStrike - See above. Would expect him to have more trouble posting as mafia.
Fecalfeast - Brought up point against SL, didn't try to bury him
ExO_ - Made a stupid question, got called out on it by a lot of people, still responded and came to a reasonable for him conclusion.
Cautiously leaning town
rsoultin - Rayn and HF said so, haven't really looked into her further.
Alakaslam - Genuinely seems to want to change his meta in contrast to last time he rolled scum where he just admitted it was his scum meta.
Holyflare & Damdred - Similar thoughts a few times throughout the game, such as with ExO_ and Alakaslam.
Null
Everyone not on other lists.
Leaning Mafia
Toadesstern - Went after Palmar, then lots of fluff, then went after SL, then suddenly went back to Palmar without Palmar posting in between. Hasn't been as productive as Town!Toad normally is.
##Vote Toadesstern and I'm the only one in your mafiareads while you go at me for only being on Palmar. So it's fine for you to only have one read but it's not fine for me to only have one? I mentioned a bunch of people without putting them in the "KILL IT WITH FIRE" treshhold either. I didn't go after you for only being on Palmar. That's not my argument at all, what I'm saying is that for no reason at all you switched back from SL to Palmar when he had posted nothing in the meantime. THAT'S what I'm saying. so show me the post that made you think I thought Palmar was a bad lynch. Because I'm pretty sure I never backed down on that in the first place. Again you're changing my argument to something I never said. I never said you think Palmar is a bad lynch. This is my argument: you realize that even if you say Palmar wasn't posting there I could be going through peoples filters? In fact I had half of the post finished when *whoever it was that asked about Palmar* asked about Palmar and included that because of an F5? I could have talked with SL and thought he's more a lynchbait than anything else, like I mentioned, thus going back to Palmar? I could have just thought "fuck it, I lost four games in a row by making sure everyone knows I'm town early on, got killed cycle-1 four times in a row without having enough influence on the game because I sat back as confirmed townie not pushing my reads hard enough" ? Why is none of that a possibility for you? It's not like I'm flip flopping from Palmar to LS to some guy I never mentioned before. I went from Palmar to LS back to Palmar. Stuff happens.
Of course all of that is a possibility. I never said you were certain scum. I simply felt the timing was suspicious and seemingly unprovoked, but the play you've shown since coming back is satisfactory.
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On March 20 2015 04:17 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 04:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 03:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 03:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 03:46 Toadesstern wrote:that's literally the first time you comment on some hard reads of yours: On March 19 2015 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Leaning Town
Trfel - Questioned # of mafia after Superbia already did and got a nasty response from it. Doesn't seem to be afraid of any backlash, posting carefree.
LightningStrike - See above. Would expect him to have more trouble posting as mafia.
Fecalfeast - Brought up point against SL, didn't try to bury him
ExO_ - Made a stupid question, got called out on it by a lot of people, still responded and came to a reasonable for him conclusion.
Cautiously leaning town
rsoultin - Rayn and HF said so, haven't really looked into her further.
Alakaslam - Genuinely seems to want to change his meta in contrast to last time he rolled scum where he just admitted it was his scum meta.
Holyflare & Damdred - Similar thoughts a few times throughout the game, such as with ExO_ and Alakaslam.
Null
Everyone not on other lists.
Leaning Mafia
Toadesstern - Went after Palmar, then lots of fluff, then went after SL, then suddenly went back to Palmar without Palmar posting in between. Hasn't been as productive as Town!Toad normally is.
##Vote Toadesstern and I'm the only one in your mafiareads while you go at me for only being on Palmar. So it's fine for you to only have one read but it's not fine for me to only have one? I mentioned a bunch of people without putting them in the "KILL IT WITH FIRE" treshhold either. I didn't go after you for only being on Palmar. That's not my argument at all, what I'm saying is that for no reason at all you switched back from SL to Palmar when he had posted nothing in the meantime. THAT'S what I'm saying. so show me the post that made you think I thought Palmar was a bad lynch. Because I'm pretty sure I never backed down on that in the first place. Again you're changing my argument to something I never said. I never said you think Palmar is a bad lynch. This is my argument: you realize that even if you say Palmar wasn't posting there I could be going through peoples filters? In fact I had half of the post finished when *whoever it was that asked about Palmar* asked about Palmar and included that because of an F5? I could have talked with SL and thought he's more a lynchbait than anything else, like I mentioned, thus going back to Palmar? I could have just thought "fuck it, I lost four games in a row by making sure everyone knows I'm town early on, got killed cycle-1 four times in a row without having enough influence on the game because I sat back as confirmed townie not pushing my reads hard enough" ? Why is none of that a possibility for you? It's not like I'm flip flopping from Palmar to LS to some guy I never mentioned before. I went from Palmar to LS back to Palmar. Stuff happens. Of course all of that is a possibility. I never said you were certain scum. I simply felt the timing was suspicious and seemingly unprovoked, but the play you've shown since coming back is satisfactory. ##Unvote was it my case on Palmar or my case on you that was satisfactory? Or my #DETERMINED way of talking when I was raging at HF, because I could probably fake that as mafia? If you want to lynch Palmar we can be friends. He hasn't really done anything other than throw shit at me and make me rage on purpose if I am to believe that he did that on purpose like some people here seem to imply.
I get the feeling that you're genuinely hunting for scum today, that's why. Also that you pushed the case on me whilst still saying that Palmar was your greater suspect; this doesn't really achieve any scum objective whilst it makes sense from a town perspective.
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And I don't know who I want to lynch yet. Maybe Rayn if he doesn't give me something that I want to sheep.
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On March 20 2015 04:14 ExO_ wrote:Just woke up. I've skimmed the thread. And afterwards I was left with a huge question:
Where did Eden run off to?And then I checked his filter and saw this: Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On March 20 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:On March 20 2015 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i don't even know what you are saying now. out of curiosity, have you ever done a myers briggs type test? i ask because i have the feeling our types are the same or very similar...which is all to say that even when i disagree with you when you're town i usually have no trouble at all following your thought process ^ i'd still like an answer to that question out of curiosity xP but more on point: your sicklucker and superbia scumreads...why? lol and you're definitely talking to me like you think i'm town  so where did that read come from? + Show Spoiler +i am around but not caught up, and my other game i'm in got hella interesting, so i will probably be useless the rest of d1. sorry His posts threw out (strong) town reads like they were nothing. I didn't like his scum reads. And now he's just going to check out? What is this, get a large filter day 1 and then bow out while everyone else is arguing? It looks like scum to me. I was hesitant at first, but just deciding you've said enough for day 1 and aren't going to participate for the rest of the day is ridiculous. ##Vote: Eden
This is why I hate people playing 2 games at the same time. I don't know if it's alignment indicative for Eden.
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