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On April 02 2015 06:44 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 06:42 Vivax wrote:On April 02 2015 06:39 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote:
Bresh why did you stop pushing the notion that ExO was mafia since you didn't believe his claim at the start? I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT. Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming. Do you think Toad could be mafia? Yes
Why?
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On April 02 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 06:44 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:42 Vivax wrote:On April 02 2015 06:39 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote:
Bresh why did you stop pushing the notion that ExO was mafia since you didn't believe his claim at the start? I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT. Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming. Do you think Toad could be mafia? Yes Why?
There isn't a reason. I was jsut paranoid of him because N1 could easily be no kp missing and mafia jsut counted on there being a saving role.
I don't care about this though because if he is im not going to help lynching him since i can hardly convince people on ff or ritoky so i havnt looked into this at all
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On April 02 2015 06:48 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote:On April 02 2015 06:44 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:42 Vivax wrote:On April 02 2015 06:39 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote:
Bresh why did you stop pushing the notion that ExO was mafia since you didn't believe his claim at the start? I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT. Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming. Do you think Toad could be mafia? Yes Why? There isn't a reason. I was jsut paranoid of him because N1 could easily be no kp missing and mafia jsut counted on there being a saving role. I don't care about this though because if he is im not going to help lynching him since i can hardly convince people on ff or ritoky so i havnt looked into this at all
So the fact you've been TRing him throughout the game doesn't count?
I spotted something about Toad that gave me questions.
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On April 02 2015 06:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 06:48 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote:On April 02 2015 06:44 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:42 Vivax wrote:On April 02 2015 06:39 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote:
Bresh why did you stop pushing the notion that ExO was mafia since you didn't believe his claim at the start? I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT. Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming. Do you think Toad could be mafia? Yes Why? There isn't a reason. I was jsut paranoid of him because N1 could easily be no kp missing and mafia jsut counted on there being a saving role. I don't care about this though because if he is im not going to help lynching him since i can hardly convince people on ff or ritoky so i havnt looked into this at all So the fact you've been TRing him throughout the game doesn't count? I spotted something about Toad that gave me questions.
Is it that time again?
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Switch to ritoky please art? I have one of my gut feelings
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On April 02 2015 06:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 06:48 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote:On April 02 2015 06:44 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:42 Vivax wrote:On April 02 2015 06:39 Breshke wrote:On April 02 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote:
Bresh why did you stop pushing the notion that ExO was mafia since you didn't believe his claim at the start? I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT. Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming. Do you think Toad could be mafia? Yes Why? There isn't a reason. I was jsut paranoid of him because N1 could easily be no kp missing and mafia jsut counted on there being a saving role. I don't care about this though because if he is im not going to help lynching him since i can hardly convince people on ff or ritoky so i havnt looked into this at all So the fact you've been TRing him throughout the game doesn't count? I spotted something about Toad that gave me questions.
It does help but with damdred trying to lynch ritoky and riotky rying to lynch onegu my thoughts on onegu and damdred are really muddled. I get someone is probably bussing but i dont get why theyd do it NOW.
I was also hoping toad would jsut get killed so i ddint voice any of my doubts because art was very vocally calling him town
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From LS filter:
Damdred
On March 20 2015 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 20 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
People should leave Eden alone so much town so wow Not all of us have perfect information, bro Can't tell if you are sarcastic or not about Damdred.
LS mentions damdred more than a few times. Most times it is with a defensive tone.
On March 20 2015 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:Okay why you think Damdred is Mafia? Just curious that's all. Also I moving FF now to Town even though he got alignment wrong this game again so it not surprising for to have him case me :O
This post, ignoring the part where he totally TMI's my alignment, is weird to me. He asks palmar his scumbuddy about why he's scumreading damdred but he asks it in thread. Makes me lean a little on the side of damdred being scum as I read this as "Why are you going after a teammate?" but I could be wrong.
On March 20 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:Was watching History of Trunks Abridged by Teamfourstar + Show Spoiler +Best Abridged movie ever! and there wasn't much posted. Artanis what's your case on Damdred being Mafia? Damdred what of Artanis calling you Mafia?
Asking artanis about damdred and basically telling damdred to defend himself
On March 20 2015 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:02 Damdred wrote:
You guys don't know how to read LS, if hes scum here it not because of those posts.
I'm here for the next hour roughly going to start filter diving and doing some things if anyone has any questions ask me before I get to it. What your thoughts on Artanis and VE's argument right now?
Damdred says ls isn't scum, or at least says we had bad reasons to call him scum, which is a point against. LS then asks damdred about artanis and VE. LS acts like damdred is an ally all game and it makes me think damdred is scum.
On March 20 2015 23:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:52 Damdred wrote:
Vivax is actually probably mafia for his filter and interactions in the game. His tone and actions in this game are vastly different from his normal town games even in games where he was scum read its so vastly different that he is probably scum.
The first thing I would like to draw your attention to is the activity to which Vivax is putting into the game at this point. The game is roughly 105 pages at this point after 36ish hours (probably 38 hours). Vivax has a filter of 2 1/2 pages discounting pre game discussion about game mechanics. While filter length is not always an indicator of scum, if you compare it to his town games in imperial (not as bad an example as the game is growing at a proportional rate to imperial at this time) or if you compare it to Void (day one in void) you will see the vast difference in how fast and loose Vivax is with his postings. He just doesn't have the same involvement in the game that he normally does as town.
This game Vivax takes a sidelines stance on many of the hot topics of the thread or just isn't taking part in it. For example when the slam business is going on Vivax pubically says hes not going to take a stance on it. Instead of taking a stance on the toad Palmar fiasco he just says it was an over reaction without drawing any real conclussions from it. He also has no opinion on rayn during a heated part of the thread, hes really not sticking his neck out or trying to get involved in the thread at the really heated times just really trying to blend in. IE I have Rayn on ice is what he says.
His scum hunting at this point is really generic without much push in the thread. When he has somewhat developed a scum read such as on superbia he states it and partially backs off of the read as time goes along. For example he scum reads superbia for a few posts and puts them in the thread but then moves on towards LS after he makes big LS type posts that look pretty easy to pick on. Super is still his strongest scum read and has the most reasoning behind it, when he returns to the thread he drops it over an argument that Super and Eden had over semantics? There were clear inconsitincies in what super was saying and acting in the thread during my interactions with Super and with super and eden. But they were good enough for super to drop his strongest suspect to move on to LS?
He has no real focus or push in the thread, his scum reads are pretty haphazard and he lacks the crazy drive that he normally shows as town. If you look in void or in imperial which I've already referenced before, or in Mission mafia he always is pushing people working out the scenerios in the thread driving the thread activity hes just not doing that here. Hes more subdued and letting the thread take its own course while blending in and not getting involved in the heat of the moment battles that are going on.
Compare his filter to his scum game in Storm Mafia 2 which I think was his last scum game? And it is pretty similar in length and ability to blend in and drive the thread.
Vivax is a good pick for scum here. Only a small correction but Vivax was Mafia in Carol (Ghost of Jacob Marley) but I do agree that he looks similar to how he played Storm (although he had a 7 page filter that game but this is a more active game so he could have a bigger filter since the the amount of pages for this game is going to surpass Storm but still) and Imperial was much more engaging at least the way I felt from reading his first few pages of his filter there and Void I remember him getting his own category for how crazy player is and he isn't being as crazy as he normally was in those games. If your Mafia again great you pocketed me again on a good case since I think it's prob the best case in this game. ##Vote: Vivax
LS sheeps damdred's wall of text onto vivax with a reason that is proven false later on.
On March 20 2015 23:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 23:17 sicklucker wrote:On March 20 2015 23:11 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:52 Damdred wrote:
Vivax is actually probably mafia for his filter and interactions in the game. His tone and actions in this game are vastly different from his normal town games even in games where he was scum read its so vastly different that he is probably scum.
The first thing I would like to draw your attention to is the activity to which Vivax is putting into the game at this point. The game is roughly 105 pages at this point after 36ish hours (probably 38 hours). Vivax has a filter of 2 1/2 pages discounting pre game discussion about game mechanics. While filter length is not always an indicator of scum, if you compare it to his town games in imperial (not as bad an example as the game is growing at a proportional rate to imperial at this time) or if you compare it to Void (day one in void) you will see the vast difference in how fast and loose Vivax is with his postings. He just doesn't have the same involvement in the game that he normally does as town.
This game Vivax takes a sidelines stance on many of the hot topics of the thread or just isn't taking part in it. For example when the slam business is going on Vivax pubically says hes not going to take a stance on it. Instead of taking a stance on the toad Palmar fiasco he just says it was an over reaction without drawing any real conclussions from it. He also has no opinion on rayn during a heated part of the thread, hes really not sticking his neck out or trying to get involved in the thread at the really heated times just really trying to blend in. IE I have Rayn on ice is what he says.
His scum hunting at this point is really generic without much push in the thread. When he has somewhat developed a scum read such as on superbia he states it and partially backs off of the read as time goes along. For example he scum reads superbia for a few posts and puts them in the thread but then moves on towards LS after he makes big LS type posts that look pretty easy to pick on. Super is still his strongest scum read and has the most reasoning behind it, when he returns to the thread he drops it over an argument that Super and Eden had over semantics? There were clear inconsitincies in what super was saying and acting in the thread during my interactions with Super and with super and eden. But they were good enough for super to drop his strongest suspect to move on to LS?
He has no real focus or push in the thread, his scum reads are pretty haphazard and he lacks the crazy drive that he normally shows as town. If you look in void or in imperial which I've already referenced before, or in Mission mafia he always is pushing people working out the scenerios in the thread driving the thread activity hes just not doing that here. Hes more subdued and letting the thread take its own course while blending in and not getting involved in the heat of the moment battles that are going on.
Compare his filter to his scum game in Storm Mafia 2 which I think was his last scum game? And it is pretty similar in length and ability to blend in and drive the thread.
Vivax is a good pick for scum here. Only a small correction but Vivax was Mafia in Carol (Ghost of Jacob Marley) but I do agree that he looks similar to how he played Storm (although he had a 7 page filter that game but this is a more active game so he could have a bigger filter since the the amount of pages for this game is going to surpass Storm but still) and Imperial was much more engaging at least the way I felt from reading his first few pages of his filter there and Void I remember him getting his own category for how crazy player is and he isn't being as crazy as he normally was in those games. If your Mafia again great you pocketed me again on a good case since I think it's prob the best case in this game. ##Vote: Vivax Im prettty sure vivax was town in carol. like pretty pretty sure Shit I forgot how the colors were in that game my bad. Ya he was town there.
This also makes me think Vivax is town for the same reason I think ritoky is likely town now. also + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2015 10:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back just got my Dad from the Airport and had Dinner with him and saw that BM was lynched instead of Vivax or Toad since they are the ones who claimed Vig and counterclaimed each other. Also Holyflare looks a little bad for lynching BM and rayn and Palmar's switches seemed scummy after the flip of BM. Perhaps rayn is Mafia alongside Holyflare and Palmar? I don't know tbh but I think 1 of the 3 of them is Mafia at least.
@Holyflare: Why you thought BM was Mafia?
@rayn: Why you swap to BM when I thought you were scumreading Vivax?
@Palmar: Why you swap to BM too when you didn't really say much about him in your filter?
On March 21 2015 00:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Rsoultin what is your thoughts on Damdred's case?
On March 21 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:Damdred please don't be depressed bro 
On March 21 2015 01:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi Holyflare any thoughts on Damdred's case on Vivax?
Ritoky
On March 20 2015 13:54 LightningStrike wrote:If you read my filter I had explained it already but since you didn't read it Rayn is likely mafia despite the anger his talk with Palmar seems to be pointless and he didn't seem to get much out of it from what I had read from the thread. Outside of him I still wobbling trying to figure out which of my nulls are Mafia.
I think this makes ritky town. LS wouldn't bus, I will sigbet anyone who thinks LS would call his mafia partner scum here.
onegu
On March 20 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Also lol Onegu at least didn't RNG yourself or I would be pissed given our history together lol.......... EBWOP: By pissed I mean I know your town because of your Mason claim with Holyflare being your partner but you shouldn't RNG your sheep though incase you know you RNG yourself 
This post sounds like LS genuinely believed that onegu and HF were masons. HF died and there was apparently a kp missing afterward. This makes me think I'm wrong on onegu.
On March 21 2015 10:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the reason I don't think we would have 2 Town Vigs because that would stupid to have 2 Town Vigs esp with a Tracker claim from Rayn although he looks bad at the End of Day voting for his switch to BM seemed to have little reason. Also we had 2 masons claimed in Onegu and Holyflare so if we really had 5 blues it would to over powered I think for Town even in such a large game (We got 18 people signed up for this game).
This post makes me think that the scum QT was discussing the blue claims and balance as though all the claimers are town. Although this still doesn't excuse onegu fully as it would be a really dope mafia play to make onegu seem town.
Conclusion
Damdred
ritoky
vivax
onegu
BONUS FecalFeast
On March 20 2015 14:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote:On March 20 2015 13:54 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:
LS who is mafia? If you read my filter I had explained it already but since you didn't read it Rayn is likely mafia despite the anger his talk with Palmar seems to be pointless and he didn't seem to get much out of it from what I had read from the thread. Outside of him I still wobbling trying to figure out which of my nulls are Mafia. What did palmar get out of it that compared to rayn for you not to scumread him? Also I understand that you are townreading Exo because of meta comparing to his other game. What questions of his have you liked that makes you draw comparisons with another game. Also have any of your nulls changed at all from your last reads post. Even if you are reading some of them town now i'd like to hear it thankyou. Palmar had basically called Rayn Mafia for it. I reading FF town for him casing me which I don't think he would do as MAfia but he's wrong on my alignment again lol....
LS spends A LOT of posts reiterating the idea that I was wrong about his alignment. Then when asked why he townreads me even though I'm calling him mafia:
On March 20 2015 14:08 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote:On March 20 2015 14:04 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote:On March 20 2015 13:54 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote:
LS who is mafia? If you read my filter I had explained it already but since you didn't read it Rayn is likely mafia despite the anger his talk with Palmar seems to be pointless and he didn't seem to get much out of it from what I had read from the thread. Outside of him I still wobbling trying to figure out which of my nulls are Mafia. What did palmar get out of it that compared to rayn for you not to scumread him? Also I understand that you are townreading Exo because of meta comparing to his other game. What questions of his have you liked that makes you draw comparisons with another game. Also have any of your nulls changed at all from your last reads post. Even if you are reading some of them town now i'd like to hear it thankyou. Palmar had basically called Rayn Mafia for it. I reading FF town for him casing me which I don't think he would do as MAfia but he's wrong on my alignment again lol.... Why don't you think ff wouldn't do it as mafia? Because FF never cased someone when he was Mafia as far I know O_o
That is a bullshit answer since my only real scum game is a newbie game and my second game ever. He's got a tmi read on me and when it's challenged he gives a bullshit answer. That's all I'm saying.
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On April 02 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote:
Switch to ritoky please art? I have one of my gut feelings
I do actually think ritoky has a better shot of flipping scum than breshke. I can go for it.
##Unvote
##Vote Ritoky
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kk did work, gonna go eat food
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Oh hold that thought, let me read this fecal thing
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Yep it's tinfoil time.
Cause I can't behind Toad unscumreading Palmar after he switched to BM. He said it's cause "his theory doesn't work anymore" (in which Palmar saved a mafia Vivax), but that theory is entirely disconnected from the previous reasons for scumreading him.
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LS' filter allows for artanis to be scum also but I had nothing concrete to say about that
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Actually I don't think scum LS would put that much attention onto scum Damdred's case on town Vivax.
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So 24:00 my time. I've spend the last hour arguing with some guy in a TL thread for some relaxation. Still think the order of lynching doesn't matter all that much so just no tryharding from me today. Still think I like the ritoky lynch slightly better than the others so I'm sticking with that. Probabl going to be around for another 20 minutes or so
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Artanis can you tell me what happened to Toad's read on Palmar after D1?
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To me it felt like LS was trying to find someone to safely put his vote on and was waiting for someone to sheep. I guess it doesn't make damdred scum 100% but it seems like he has some kind of connection to damdred..
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On April 02 2015 07:01 Vivax wrote:
Yep it's tinfoil time.
Cause I can't behind Toad unscumreading Palmar after he switched to BM. He said it's cause "his theory doesn't work anymore" (in which Palmar saved a mafia Vivax), but that theory is entirely disconnected from the previous reasons for scumreading him.
I never unscumread Palmar. Any more questions?
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I also think your reason for tring Ritoky is complete rubbish as LS busses his teammates that he thinks look bad (look at JOAT mafia with how he treated Sandroba whom could easily get saved). I think your reasons for TRing Onegu are much better than those for Ritoky. Still voting him.
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lol I haven't meta'd LS but if he does bus then I guess I retract that
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