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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 01 2015 19:55 GMT
#8341
Day 5: Current Vote Count

Breshke (5) sicklucker, Onegu, Vivax, Artanis[Xp], Trfel, Fecalfeast
ritoky (2): Toadesstern, Damdred
Fecalfeast (2): Breshke, Artanis[Xp], Onegu
Onegu (0): Fecalfeast

Not Voting (1): ritoky

Currently, Breshke is set to be executed. Day 5 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.

Voting is mandatory and in this thread. You may NOT abstain.

Posting after the deadline and prior to flip is subject to a modkill.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 01 2015 20:00 GMT
#8342
Notes on Breshke
  • Early on, Breshke's comments are unsure and sometimes he admits they are unimportant
    + Show Spoiler +
    First post says that Eden seems towny, and that makes rsoultin a little towny (Eden's townread on rsoultin), but says this isn't very important
    Says he really likes two of Alakaslam's posts, and then says that he can't read Alakaslam
    Asks Eden about the Alakaslam/Holyflare argument
    Seems more interested in asking questions than stating his own opinions

  • Agrees that Toadesstern's early case on Palmar does have merit (does he push this later?)
  • Although he liked Alakaslam's posts about why sicklucker's play isn't alignment indicative, he puts sicklucker at top scumread and votes for him. This happens while the Day 1 wagons are mostly equal.
  • Breshke asks a question to Artanis about his townread on Alakaslam, but Breshke already said he liked two of Alakaslam's posts and also said that he didn't know how to read Alakaslam
    On March 20 2015 14:37 Breshke wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On March 20 2015 14:24 sicklucker wrote:
    Breske why are you voting me after reading me right your pretty terrible have you learned nothing... Im playing dota right now but im not letting you gobbers lose another game for town by killing me


    Am i terrible or mafia?

    Also I still don't really understand how to read LS. I agree with rso? that his list posts thought dump kinda thing is a town tell for him so wouldn't lynch him today but I wouldn't call him town
  • Expresses willingness to lynch sicklucker and LightningStrike,but always pushes sicklucker and not LightningStrike
  • After LightningStrike was tracked with the orb, Breshke decides to post reasons why he is scum
I stopped taking notes after a few pages. His filter improves as it goes, but I don't think it makes up for the first few pages. Breshke is generally non-committal and dances around the flipped scum. Therefore, I am confident that Breshke is scum.

I will be gone until after End of Day, though I might be able to get back shortly before it. If Breshke isn't lynched today, there had better be really good reasons why.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 01 2015 20:08 GMT
#8343
On April 02 2015 05:00 Trfel wrote:
Notes on Breshke
  • Early on, Breshke's comments are unsure and sometimes he admits they are unimportant
    + Show Spoiler +
    First post says that Eden seems towny, and that makes rsoultin a little towny (Eden's townread on rsoultin), but says this isn't very important
    Says he really likes two of Alakaslam's posts, and then says that he can't read Alakaslam
    Asks Eden about the Alakaslam/Holyflare argument
    Seems more interested in asking questions than stating his own opinions

  • Agrees that Toadesstern's early case on Palmar does have merit (does he push this later?)
  • Although he liked Alakaslam's posts about why sicklucker's play isn't alignment indicative, he puts sicklucker at top scumread and votes for him. This happens while the Day 1 wagons are mostly equal.
  • Breshke asks a question to Artanis about his townread on Alakaslam, but Breshke already said he liked two of Alakaslam's posts and also said that he didn't know how to read Alakaslam
    On March 20 2015 14:37 Breshke wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On March 20 2015 14:24 sicklucker wrote:
    Breske why are you voting me after reading me right your pretty terrible have you learned nothing... Im playing dota right now but im not letting you gobbers lose another game for town by killing me


    Am i terrible or mafia?

    Also I still don't really understand how to read LS. I agree with rso? that his list posts thought dump kinda thing is a town tell for him so wouldn't lynch him today but I wouldn't call him town
  • Expresses willingness to lynch sicklucker and LightningStrike,but always pushes sicklucker and not LightningStrike
  • After LightningStrike was tracked with the orb, Breshke decides to post reasons why he is scum
I stopped taking notes after a few pages. His filter improves as it goes, but I don't think it makes up for the first few pages. Breshke is generally non-committal and dances around the flipped scum. Therefore, I am confident that Breshke is scum.

I will be gone until after End of Day, though I might be able to get back shortly before it. If Breshke isn't lynched today, there had better be really good reasons why.


I remember that. It was extra weird because he just mislynched me in jack of all trades and pretty much threw the game.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 01 2015 20:09 GMT
#8344
so like Id expect him to be more cautious.. if that makes anysense
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 01 2015 21:08 GMT
#8345
On April 02 2015 05:00 Trfel wrote:
Notes on Breshke
  • Early on, Breshke's comments are unsure and sometimes he admits they are unimportant
    + Show Spoiler +
    First post says that Eden seems towny, and that makes rsoultin a little towny (Eden's townread on rsoultin), but says this isn't very important
    Says he really likes two of Alakaslam's posts, and then says that he can't read Alakaslam
    Asks Eden about the Alakaslam/Holyflare argument
    Seems more interested in asking questions than stating his own opinions

  • Agrees that Toadesstern's early case on Palmar does have merit (does he push this later?)
  • Although he liked Alakaslam's posts about why sicklucker's play isn't alignment indicative, he puts sicklucker at top scumread and votes for him. This happens while the Day 1 wagons are mostly equal.
  • Breshke asks a question to Artanis about his townread on Alakaslam, but Breshke already said he liked two of Alakaslam's posts and also said that he didn't know how to read Alakaslam
    On March 20 2015 14:37 Breshke wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On March 20 2015 14:24 sicklucker wrote:
    Breske why are you voting me after reading me right your pretty terrible have you learned nothing... Im playing dota right now but im not letting you gobbers lose another game for town by killing me


    Am i terrible or mafia?

    Also I still don't really understand how to read LS. I agree with rso? that his list posts thought dump kinda thing is a town tell for him so wouldn't lynch him today but I wouldn't call him town
  • Expresses willingness to lynch sicklucker and LightningStrike,but always pushes sicklucker and not LightningStrike
  • After LightningStrike was tracked with the orb, Breshke decides to post reasons why he is scum
I stopped taking notes after a few pages. His filter improves as it goes, but I don't think it makes up for the first few pages. Breshke is generally non-committal and dances around the flipped scum. Therefore, I am confident that Breshke is scum.

I will be gone until after End of Day, though I might be able to get back shortly before it. If Breshke isn't lynched today, there had better be really good reasons why.


First dotpoint

I said that my eden and rso townread probably didnt matter at that point because they were obvious town and most people recognized that. So when rso asked meif i was caught up ii felt weak just bringing that to the table.
Its true i did like two of slams posts and its also true that i can't read him. These two things do not have to be mutually exclusive. I liked the posts but history has shown i am bad at reading him.
I asked eden about HF/slam because it really felt like 2 town fighting which i believe i stated in the thread. This as because they were having a shitfight and no one in the thead interfered they just let it happen which is more likely to happen with towns than mafia. Once again i asked eden about it because he was a townread of mine and because i can not read slam very well.
I ask questions to form my own opinions.

Second Dotpoint
This is true and i didn't push it later and I thought you would understand why since it was because of you and our discussion about it. This is the post that largley changed my mind.

On March 20 2015 09:09 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
On March 20 2015 08:47 Trfel wrote:
Eden and Breshke, let's talk about stuff that happened 40 pages ago together! XD


I actually have a question for you.

So you were talking with toad about his palmar scum read and you were basically along the lines of you don't really see it as palmar being scummy.

I'd actually agree with toad that it is. So palmar reads toad as scum for reasons and cbf's explaining them so jsut spams kill toad. Toad gets lynched and is town. I know that you trefel are very self conscious when you are wrong even if your case is really good and you try to change things so you don't make the same mistakes.

Why then do you think that palmar isn't doing that and seemingly ignores past mistakes. Obviously you arn't the same person but would you not think that it would cross palmars mind that oh I read toad as scum for doing this and he was town. Toad is doing these things again maybe this isn't a reason to call him scum.
I don't think that the argument between Palmar and Toadesstern says much about Palmar's alignment, but I do think it suggests that Toadesstern is town. As for it not making Palmar scum, Palmar's played really lazily for many games lately (Linux, Down Under 2, etc). Palmar also really likes to use tonereads. I can understand Palmar seeing Toadesstern's opening, and remembering it being different from the heavily formatted, fancy, and pristine opening that he used in Hammertime Mafia, and saying that Toadesstern is scum for it. I wouldn't actually expect Palmar to check Toadesstern's other games here (which clearly show that Toadesstern's opening post isn't alignment indicative). And if Palmar only knows Toadesstern's play in Hammertime Mafia and this game, his scumread of Toadesstern wasn't that horrible of a play (I would still disagree, but not that horrible).

I guess the difference is probably that I have different expectations for Palmar than you and Toadesstern do.


Third dotpoint

This is because the second i seemed to be defending SL he instantly townd me. This gave me bad vibes. Also you saying the wagons were "equal" is jsut purposely trying to make it look worse than it was. They were equal at THREE votes which included my vote. You don't even assess who they were equal too at this point so im not sure how you are even trying to use that. Voting for siclucker was to put him under pressure because Robik seemed to be able to read him best then so i wanted to give it a go.

Fourth Dotpoint

I have no fucking idea what post you are reffering to or how what you are trying to explain even makes me mafia. I like a couple posts from someone but i know i can't read them. I ask someone who is town reading them to explain their read. How is this scummy???

5th Dotpoint

The answer is literally in the quote above. I expressed a willlingness to lynch LS ONCE which was during the vig claims. Rso then came out with a read about his list post being a thought dump which i agreed with and probably tended to trust her more since her magical out of nowhere scum read on him in her first game.

Sixth Dotpoint

I don't even know where to begin with this one. I don't believe i did this?? Could you show me where?

On March 22 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:
LS voted for vivax so that is intresting


On March 22 2015 12:03 Breshke wrote:
I think it should be Exo. LS constantly reads him town for meta reasons which is normal but it never really made sense to me.

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Can I policy lynch ExO and or Tfrel if they don't make a case in the first 48 hours into the game?


This is pregame but obviously LS has high expectations for exo yet somehow meta reads him as town when he hasn't actually done much of anything.

So

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 22:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 21 2015 22:49 Vivax wrote:
LS who are your scumreads atm? Palmar and rayn and?

Those are my 100% based on the switches there maybe a 1% chance that Holyflare is Mafia with Onegu even though they claimed Mason but that would be dumb for them to claim Mason so early. Rsoultin said that ExO could be potental Mafia and so did you but I never played with Mafia!ExO yet so I can be wong on ExO's alignment (Shrugs).



He also randomly backs off of the townread randomly for no reason even though he had never shown doubt on it before.


If you are reffering to these posts this isnt me calling LS scum it is trying to find hints at scum in his filter which directly contradicts your later statement that i "dance around the flipped scum". That phrase in itself is bullshit because you make it sound like i am trying to avoid talking about them when i jsut straight up havnt talked about them instead.

I don't see how you can be reading me as scum for any of this especially since you said my first few pages were really bad and it is actually really annoying that this is why you are going to jump on my wagon. If you had made a post like this ealier or as a non confirmed and people actually cared about this flip (im not blaming anyone since ive been just as bad most of the game) youd probably get lynched for it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
April 01 2015 21:14 GMT
#8346
I kinda wanna lynch FF over Breshke since Breshke actually seems to want to do stuff and I have not seen that inclination from FF.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
April 01 2015 21:17 GMT
#8347
Bresh it's a good try but read this post for example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?page=90#1782

and tell me you aren't super waffly on Palmar. You put him into scum lean, then say you agree with toad that what he does is scummy and in the same post say that it doesn't say anything about palmar's alignment, only Toads.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 01 2015 21:19 GMT
#8348
hnnnggg. It's not my fault my friends sucked me into another survival crafting game. I can give LS a look over since there's time before deadline
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
April 01 2015 21:19 GMT
#8349
On April 02 2015 06:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch FF over Breshke since Breshke actually seems to want to do stuff and I have not seen that inclination from FF.


I got the feeling he's doing waaaaay more now than what he was doing on his own when he wasn't under suspicion. Would have to weigh his activity by day to be sure.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
April 01 2015 21:21 GMT
#8350
On April 02 2015 06:19 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 06:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch FF over Breshke since Breshke actually seems to want to do stuff and I have not seen that inclination from FF.


I got the feeling he's doing waaaaay more now than what he was doing on his own when he wasn't under suspicion. Would have to weigh his activity by day to be sure.

I don't think that's necessarily alignment indicative though. Superbia was p much the same and he flipped town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
April 01 2015 21:22 GMT
#8351
On April 02 2015 06:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 06:19 Vivax wrote:
On April 02 2015 06:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch FF over Breshke since Breshke actually seems to want to do stuff and I have not seen that inclination from FF.


I got the feeling he's doing waaaaay more now than what he was doing on his own when he wasn't under suspicion. Would have to weigh his activity by day to be sure.

I don't think that's necessarily alignment indicative though. Superbia was p much the same and he flipped town.


I disagree, he wasn't.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 01 2015 21:24 GMT
#8352
On April 02 2015 06:17 Vivax wrote:
Bresh it's a good try but read this post for example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?page=90#1782

and tell me you aren't super waffly on Palmar. You put him into scum lean, then say you agree with toad that what he does is scummy and in the same post say that it doesn't say anything about palmar's alignment, only Toads.


Vivax you are reading the bit with fucked up quotes as shit i said. Thats stuff trefel said which made me flip my read on palmar

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't like the him and toad interaction. Scum reading toad for something he has scum read him for before. Toad flipped town in the game where this happened before which seemingly doesn't phase palmar. If he was town i think he would reconsider his approach.

I don't have much confidence with this though as i wasn't involved in that game and people who were and that I am also reading town (trefel) do not agree with me which gives me pause. See this post specifically.


The stuff in the spoiler is the only stuff i actually wrote in that post that isnt apart of a quote.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 01 2015 21:28 GMT
#8353
Anyway i have to leave for uni will try to keep up to date on my phone but itll be hard.

Look into lynching FF and ritoky next. Look hard into damdred. Fairly sure onegu is town but look into that aswell.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 01 2015 21:30 GMT
#8354
Scratch that im around till deadline
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 01 2015 21:31 GMT
#8355
I really don't have a lot of drive to comb through all of the filters.

Look at the narrative of Rayn claiming Tracker and then claiming on vivax who had gotten blocked. This is excellent for mafia because if he was tracked it would make perfect sense for him to visit Vivax as a role.

Look at the over aggression that Rayn is showing towards the thread.

Ritoky is totally tunneled which is a mafia trait of his, he isn't jokey or really fun this thread either. He also is afk during a portion fo the lynches that are most important compare it to say Down under when he would go afk around lynch so he wouldn't be accountable during shenanigans.

He is also not doing much and when asked to do work he didn't do it and just afk'd instead.

This is ritoksy scum meta folks.

Lynch him today
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
April 01 2015 21:32 GMT
#8356
Bresh why did you stop pushing the notion that ExO was mafia since you didn't believe his claim at the start?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
April 01 2015 21:39 GMT
#8357
You better answer fast, the clock is tickin, the game is hard and I'm diving a ton of filters.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 01 2015 21:39 GMT
#8358
On April 02 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote:
Bresh why did you stop pushing the notion that ExO was mafia since you didn't believe his claim at the start?


I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT.

Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22184 Posts
April 01 2015 21:42 GMT
#8359
On April 02 2015 06:39 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote:
Bresh why did you stop pushing the notion that ExO was mafia since you didn't believe his claim at the start?


I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT.

Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming.


Do you think Toad could be mafia?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 01 2015 21:44 GMT
#8360
On April 02 2015 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 06:39 Breshke wrote:
On April 02 2015 06:32 Vivax wrote:
Bresh why did you stop pushing the notion that ExO was mafia since you didn't believe his claim at the start?


I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT.

Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming.


Do you think Toad could be mafia?


Yes
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