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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:05 GMT
#6950
On March 26 2015 23:05 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:01 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You're also focussing on a microcosm of the case when it's much bigger, plus you're ignoring my explanations for my actions. It seems like you're looking for a reason to tunnel on me.


Your explanation doesn't cover your actions. To be honest, I don't think any explanation would cover your actions. It's because your actions are not townie, they're scummy.

No matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true.


It was already true. My delivery is irrelevant.

Strange how my role pm was very specific in that it was town then.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:06 GMT
#6953
"You're scum because you change your opinions at the drop of a hat!"
"I normally do that as town."
"Okay, you're scum because you're doing something you do as town!"
-Superbia logic
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:07 GMT
#6954
On March 26 2015 23:05 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:03 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:58 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:53 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
[quote]
Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here.


I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game.

Good argumentation.


I have already given my argumentation.

And I have rebutted all of it, which you haven't replied to.


I just fucking did. Your one line response that "it indicates that [my](Art) reads are fluid" is such utter nonsense. The response that it is "townie" to flip hard between people's alignment is nonsense. There is a good reason if you're town as to why you're reading people scummy, and if you read someone scum at any point during the game, this fucking nags you until they are confirmed via a flip or whatever. Like in no fucking world do you switch your reads around that easily, ESPECIALLY on Vivax PRE-NIGHTFLIPS. Absolute nonsense. No world in which you are town.

Okay, why don't you go through my mafia games and point out to me where I flip hard on people by my own accord, then go through my town games and do the same? I'm very curious to see what you'll find.


The fact that you have been fully aware of your mafia meta means that meta is going to mean so fucking little. You flipping mafia in Imperial was completely unexpected for everyone, right? That means that you are fully able to make changes to your meta.

Yeah, I can drastically change my mafia meta to go from being one of the worst mafia players to having one good mafia game to rolling mafia for the third time in four games and then playing EVEN BETTER AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. That makes much sense.


Link me to these four games.

I was using your logic with this being the fourth game. All my games are linked in my profile.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:08 GMT
#6956
On March 26 2015 23:07 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
"You're scum because you change your opinions at the drop of a hat!"
"I normally do that as town."
"Okay, you're scum because you're doing something you do as town!"
-Superbia logic


This is such a blatant misrepresentation of my arguments and you know it.

It's really not. You're claiming because I'm aware of it it means it still makes me mafia when if it's true that I do it as town (and I'm quite sure it is) it can only be null at worst.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:14 GMT
#6961
On March 26 2015 23:10 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:07 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
"You're scum because you change your opinions at the drop of a hat!"
"I normally do that as town."
"Okay, you're scum because you're doing something you do as town!"
-Superbia logic


This is such a blatant misrepresentation of my arguments and you know it.

It's really not. You're claiming because I'm aware of it it means it still makes me mafia when if it's true that I do it as town (and I'm quite sure it is) it can only be null at worst.


No, I'm saying that because your argument is "I normally do that as town" or "I normally do y instead of x as mafia" the argument is by definition WIFOM.

Except that there's some things you just can't fake as mafia. I actually tried changing my read at the drop of a hat once in I think LI. Gonzaw made a post that could be construed as a scumslip and I jumped onto it and flipped my read on him. Got insta scumread from that by a few people. Since them I'm much more careful as mafia in these things and much more thread aware. It's actually a good way to townread me.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:18 GMT
#6965
Also saying any meta read is unreliable if you're aware of it is a terrible argument. Some meta can be replicated (e.g. the decision to bus or not). Some things are just general town traits for someone, like being able to post carefree, being able to post a lot or being able to change your reads very dynamically.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:23 GMT
#6967
On March 26 2015 23:21 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also saying any meta read is unreliable if you're aware of it is a terrible argument. Some meta can be replicated (e.g. the decision to bus or not). Some things are just general town traits for someone, like being able to post carefree, being able to post a lot or being able to change your reads very dynamically.


At any point giving the defense "that's my townplay!" is a terrible defense. I'm reading your Imperial filter.

No it's not, because some things just CAN'T be replicated. I CAN'T post this much as mafia. I CAN'T change my reads this fluidly as mafia. I CAN'T bring myself to post this often as mafia. It's really that simple.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:40 GMT
#6969
Weren't you reading Imperial? Did you reach any conclusion or couldn't you find anything?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:43 GMT
#6973
On March 26 2015 23:42 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Weren't you reading Imperial? Did you reach any conclusion or couldn't you find anything?


I've half reached a conclusion.

I'm dying of anticipation.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:48 GMT
#6977
On March 26 2015 23:44 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:42 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Weren't you reading Imperial? Did you reach any conclusion or couldn't you find anything?


I've half reached a conclusion.

I'm dying of anticipation.


I wanted to see where people were standing first but I guess it doesn't matter, I may be wrong on you being scum.

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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:51 GMT
#6979
I was actually hoping he'd go after me harder. That'd make me feel better about lynching him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:53 GMT
#6983
On March 26 2015 23:52 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was actually hoping he'd go after me harder. That'd make me feel better about lynching him.


Come at me and this might still happen. I'd press the lynch button you in final 3 every time.

I already came at you, the case is still up. I want to know why you started having doubts.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:56 GMT
#6985
Toad, you should go through Palmar's filter and check out his interactions with Rayn. I think it makes it pretty unlikely the Rayn slot is scum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:57 GMT
#6988
I also think Breshke is significantly less likely to flip scum as slam/superbia/fecal/onegu given
On March 26 2015 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay after checking Breshke's scumgames he seems much more aggressive in them, calling people out and being very certain of himself which is in contrast to both his last two towngames and this game so he goes into townpile.

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:58 GMT
#6991
On March 26 2015 23:56 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:52 Superbia wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was actually hoping he'd go after me harder. That'd make me feel better about lynching him.


Come at me and this might still happen. I'd press the lynch button you in final 3 every time.

I already came at you, the case is still up. I want to know why you started having doubts.


I'm not going to respond to the case anymore than I already have. I have little time as it is, and would probably spend it on filter diving or interacting instead.

I started having doubts after I saw how you, as mafia, interact with town, specifically when lynching them. Moreover, how you react to cases made on you.

So who do you want to lynch now?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 14:59 GMT
#6994
On March 26 2015 23:59 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn called out like palmer/ls/toad/super one of rstoulin/artanis as mafia

like if super flips theres no way rayn bussed 3 of his partners. Theres no way this is the guy who bms me for bussing

Actually Rayn bussed both his teammates in XXX which just finished lol
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 15:01 GMT
#6996
Anyway I'd be willing to indulge Vivax and lynch Slam I guess and give Superbia some more time. Superbia might prove me wrong with time, I don't know if I'll ever be able to figure out Slam.
##Unvote
##Vote Alakaslam
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 15:01 GMT
#6997
Oh wait, disregard that. No one actually wants to lynch Slam right now. I need to read Fecal.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 15:07 GMT
#6999
On March 27 2015 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 23:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 23:59 sicklucker wrote:
Rayn called out like palmer/ls/toad/super one of rstoulin/artanis as mafia

like if super flips theres no way rayn bussed 3 of his partners. Theres no way this is the guy who bms me for bussing

Actually Rayn bussed both his teammates in XXX which just finished lol


then hes a pretty big hypocrite

News at 11!
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 26 2015 15:09 GMT
#7003
On March 27 2015 00:07 sicklucker wrote:
but did he do it on day1 artanis? rayn would never bus his whole team day1

It doesn't matter if you bus your entire team on D1 or one on D1 and one on D2, which I believe he did (could be D3). Bussed JAT on D1 and Onegu on D2/D3.

Also, Superbia, I saw that Fecal played his one scumgame with you. Did you play any towngames with him too and did you pick up anything on him?
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