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On April 02 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote:
Everyone get on FF. He complains about not having enough time to push his top scum read in Damdred, but he has time to make an effort to show that he doesn't want to vote Breshke to save himself its all fake hes scum. Doesn't this imply that both are scum?
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Decisions....
I have a feeling that whatever I do is wrong.
Artanis, you should switch.
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I'm almost wondering if it's Toadesstern, sicklucker, and Vivax. Just to make me as wrong as possible.
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Town (or at least, town enough that I can't spend the time to analyze them)
Trfel
Vivax
Toadesstern
Artanis
sicklucker
Other
Onegu
Fecalfeast
ritoky
Damdred
So, one of these four is town. And the rest are scum.
I'm going to guess that one of Damdred and Onegu is the town. Damdred's play recently picked up, but that coincides with Artanis's look through his filter and realizing that it wasn't as solid as he had thought. This seems somewhat suspicious.
I suggest Fecalfeast or ritoky for the lynch tomorrow.
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Wait, do people actually think that I am mafia because I'm the veteran and I got shot?
That's really stupid.
Anyway, I'll take another look at this game and hopefully find the scum.
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On April 03 2015 09:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Wait, do people actually think that I am mafia because I'm the veteran and I got shot?
That's really stupid.
Anyway, I'll take another look at this game and hopefully find the scum. It has more to do with the fact that we appear to have 2 vigis, a jk, an alignment cop and a veteran which seems like a bit overkill. I can't imagine any of the claims besides yours being fake though. If Toad is somehow mafia I am nominating him for mafia player of the decade. It's extremely obvious that I'm the veteran, it's been that way for quite some time. Here's why. Hopefully we don't have to go into this again.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2015 10:24 Trfel wrote:Look, I seem to be commonly scumread. And fine, it's warranted. Give me a chance to read the thread in detail, and actually provide thoughts. As in, I'll actually play the game correctly this time. Don't scumread me until I finish and share serious thoughts, okay? If you want a meta reason not to scumread me, last game, Mini Mafia Down Under 2, I trolled for nearly the entire game. Approximately 4 or 5 hours into the game. Do you really think that I am that afraid of being lynched? Votes normally move a ton in the hours before the deadline, so there is absolutely no reason for a post this defensive only a few hours into the game. Also, I have ended up with town power roles on a regular basis, so I am more used to being a power role than being a vanilla townie (hosts, please fix this...). This post was intentional, in hopes that a mafia team would see it and shoot me. I'm pretty sure there are a few other unwarranted defensive posts. I've also spent a ton of time talking about blue roles this game. That's a pretty obvious giveaway as well. On March 21 2015 05:19 Trfel wrote:
And there lies the problem.... I'm not sure if there are two vigilantes in this game or not.
How many blue roles would we be expected to have in this game? Any clue? The orb sort of counts as a blue role, too... I kept asking about blue claims, I won't bother quoting them. But there is one point of additional importance. When the claims on Day 1 occurred, I noticed one other player giving them a lot of attention and being skeptical about the number of power roles in the game. This was ExO_. And I'm the worst blue hunter ever. The reason that I identified that he was a power role was that he was thinking exactly the same things I was, and had exactly the same suspicions I was. I asked him twice if he wanted to soft-claim blue. If he did, I would have done so as well, leaving us with five power roles (making lynching into them a reasonably good idea). If ExO_ softclaimed blue in this way, since I would as well, it would help provide some cover for him, so I wasn't as concerned about this because I am the veteran. On March 21 2015 05:53 Trfel wrote:
I thought about it, and in the end I don't feel that it is significant that Toadesstern claimed instead of simply night-killing Vivax.
I know I'm going to get a ton of flak for this, but....
ExO_, are you soft-claiming blue? On March 21 2015 06:58 Trfel wrote:
Oh, Holyflare claimed too?
Hrmph. Almost certainly we have too many claimed power roles then, especially if ExO_ did actually softclaim blue. I've also been constantly asking about the power role balance in the game. Why would I be so worried about that, since I generally dislike setup speculation and don't really care about power roles? I'm not going to provide quotes, but basically every time someone claimed blue or rescinded their blue claim, I asked about the power role balance. And when I could, I tried to find out of having an extra power role would make it too strong. On March 25 2015 06:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 05:59 Trfel wrote:On March 25 2015 05:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also since everyone's claiming I'm fakeclaiming vet. Then I'm counterclaiming fake vet. Would you care to fake rescind? Fuck, I rescind my fakeclaim. I'm actually a vet. Why did I not respond to this? I couldn't think of a response that was natural enough. Were I not the veteran, I almost certainly would have responded here. Finally, there was a time in the game where I asked Eden to try and read my mind. Look at my side of that conversation. On March 25 2015 12:20 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Eden] +Eden, I have a challenge for you. You need to read my mind.
Reread my filter a little more carefully (particularly the parts in Day 1). Then share your thoughts.
If you don't want to, I understand, but it would be great if you could. On March 25 2015 12:45 Trfel wrote:
Ok Eden. I'll try one more time.
Read it again and imagine you're mafia. On March 25 2015 13:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 13:29 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm not sure yet that he's a better lynch than other people in my pile.
Although Superbia is doing a good job of getting himself off the list... Eden, now that ritoky and Onegu have claimed VT... What do you think about the game's power role balance? 2 vigilantes 1 jailkeeper 1 cop Is that fair for a 15 town vs 5 scum game? Thanks! So, I'm asking someone to reread my filter carefully, from a mafia perspective, and asking about the power role balance in the game. What do you think I'm suggesting? I think it's fairly obvious.
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Just an advance warning, I probably won't be able to make it for the deadline.
Vote is on ritoky for now.
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On April 03 2015 10:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
so are we in like quadruple mylo or something? I don't want to math Triple. Only three scum remaining.
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I'm sorry, I don't really have enough time to play the game properly any more.
You realize that before my claim, I was getting by on basically nothing and getting constantly townread. Why would I make this play and claim veteran, as scum, for a scum team carry, and continue doing nearly nothing? There's no way for that to happen.
Scum would never tell me to carry the team like this if I didn't have the time to do it properly.
Anyway, I'm terribly sorry for my play the last few days. I fully intend to take a break from mafia after this game and wait for my schedule to be more open, and for me to regain my motivation. I apologize, as my effort level hasn't been fair to those remaining in the game.
I'm still going with definite scum as ritoky and Fecalfeast, with the third being between Onegu and Damdred. If we haven't lost by the time we must lynch one of those, and I'm still alive, hopefully I'll have time to make a more detailed analysis.
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There are a lot of good reasons for townreading Onegu.
I'll go with ritoky, Fecalfeast, and Damdred.
And hopefully Artanis, Toadesstern, and sicklucker are all town. Otherwise, well played.
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I'd really, really, really prefer to lynch Fecalfeast tomorrow. He's the obvious scum.
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On April 04 2015 09:45 Fecalfeast wrote:
Everyone who thinks I'm obvious scum make a sigbet with me So we're basically betting on how terrible you are at this game? 
+ Show Spoiler +In case you couldn't tell, no thanks on the bet. I like having no signature, and technically signature bets are against the rules. Plus, I fully admit to being terrible at mafia.
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Two things.
1. I believe that 15 vs 5 is considered scum favored, so town likel would have more power roles to compensate.
2. No offense to Half the Sky, but she isn't known for making particularly balanced setups.
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Here's a prediction of what will happen.
Toadesstern will die tonight.
We lynch Fecalfeast tomorrow, he flips mafia.
Then, Artanis dies.
That leaves at 4 player MYLO, with:
Trfel
sicklucker
Onegu
Damdred
The scum is probably Damdred. But, Damdred and Onegu are both scumreading me. If town doesn't vote together, they lose. So this is actually a fairly realistic way that town could lose this game, by mislynching me at 4p MYLO. This is why I am not going to be night killed, and why I wasn't killed last night. It's a good plan for mafia. Alternatively, of course, they can try to mislynch one of Damdred/Onegu. This way, mafia has two potential mislynch options instead of just one (which is what it should be, as sicklucker, Toadesstern, Artanis, and I are all town).
Look at my play outside of my veteran claim, even outside of my orb usage (though both suggest that I am town). Here is why I am still town.
- My play this game is beyond my capabilities as mafia (I know, you can't really verify this, but I'm a miserable liar and am terrible at mafia
- Through the first several days, I was consistent and productive, and worked with others to solve the game
- Raynpelikoneet attacked me for a long period of time
- I was always suspicious of raynpelikoneet, and never was comfortable with his tracker claim, which I wouldn't do as mafia
I'm not mafia here. And I refuse to be mislynched. If town chooses to lynch me on the basis of "too many blues" instead of paying attention to all of the other reasons that make me town, then I don't know what to say.
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The night kill thing really doesn't make sense here.
Night 1
Mafia shot Holyflare and Onegu, eliminating two (at the time, widely accepted) confirmed townies, as well as making sure Holyflare's reads would be shut up for good (no Onegu posting stuff from the mason QT after Holyflare's death).
Night 2
Rsoultin and ExO_, the jailkeeper and cop, died. I don't think you can argue that mafia should have taken any other action.
Night 3
Eden died. Eden was universally townread (well, except for ritoky) for his high level of gameplay. He was playing the best in the game, and was essentially confirmed town. Of course mafia wanted to shoot him.
Night 4
I got shot. This makes sense at the time, as I was considered confirmed town. I think that mafia should have shot Toadesstern here, as he is also confirmed town (and the better player), but whatever.
Night 5
Vivax was shot. I wasn't shot because people were voicing suspicions of me. Of course I wouldn't be shot here. As for shooting Vivax or Toadesstern, I'm not sure it matters that much for mafia. So, they chose one. Not suspicious.
The most suspicious night kill was the night one kill on Onegu. Everything else makes perfect sense.
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On April 05 2015 01:17 Toadesstern wrote:
Meanwhile Sicklucker getting depressions because noone consideres him a possible nightkill despite being one of the unlynchable guys... but let's be honest... he's not getting shot lol Hm, they might kill sicklucker and Artanis, and then leave both of us alive to make the whole "too many power roles" thing have as much weight as possible.
It's just Fecalfeast/Damdred, lynch them both and win.
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Please lynch Fecalfeast
I'm sorry. It's Easter. I'm occupied with other things, I'm busy with family, I won't be around at the deadline, I may not be on for the rest of the day, even. I wish today was a 48 hour day.
I believe that the scum team is Fecalfeast and Damdred. Artanis believes that the scum team is Fecalfeast and Onegu. Artanis is an extremely good player, and I read his argument. While it is good, that isn't the same conclusion that I drew, so I need time to go back over it and check the facts again myself. Still, we are both scumreading Fecalfeast. It's best to lynch Fecalfeast now.
I still have a lot of doubt that Onegu is scum. Onegu's mason claim simply isn't a clear sign that he is mafia. I can easily see town!Onegu having fun and claiming mason. While I think that it ended up being a bad play, it wasn't too detrimental to town, and it doesn't make him scum here.
During the night I will read over the pages I've missed, and I'll analyze the filters. But please, lynch Fecalfeast today. Not anyone else, even Onegu.
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Toadesstern, trust me. Sicklucker, trust me.
For those of you who doubt my towniness, look at the night kills. You say that they implicate me because I'm not dead. Look further, notice how the people who townread me die, and the people who scumread me stay alive. If I were scum, that is not what I would do at all.
Eden, Artanis, Vivax, they all townread me. Damdred, sicklucker, they stay alive. Ritoky kept being suspicious of me (at least, I think). I'm not scum here. Please, trust me, vote Fecalfeast. Lynching Fecalfeast is the only lynch that makes sense here.
Toadesstern, sicklucker, and I are not getting lynched. Maybe you disagree with that, but at least we are not getting lynched today. That leaves Damdred, Fecalfeast, and Onegu. To my knowledge, no one is suggesting a Damdred/Onegu pair, therefore we should lynch Fecalfeast. Even if you think Onegu is scummier, just lynch Fecalfeast instead.
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On April 06 2015 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2015 02:21 Trfel wrote:
Toadesstern, trust me. Sicklucker, trust me.
For those of you who doubt my towniness, look at the night kills. You say that they implicate me because I'm not dead. Look further, notice how the people who townread me die, and the people who scumread me stay alive. If I were scum, that is not what I would do at all.
Eden, Artanis, Vivax, they all townread me. Damdred, sicklucker, they stay alive. Ritoky kept being suspicious of me (at least, I think). I'm not scum here. Please, trust me, vote Fecalfeast. Lynching Fecalfeast is the only lynch that makes sense here.
Toadesstern, sicklucker, and I are not getting lynched. Maybe you disagree with that, but at least we are not getting lynched today. That leaves Damdred, Fecalfeast, and Onegu. To my knowledge, no one is suggesting a Damdred/Onegu pair, therefore we should lynch Fecalfeast. Even if you think Onegu is scummier, just lynch Fecalfeast instead. that's been pretty much my argument for why I wanted FF lynched today because it's between FF+Trfel and FF+Onegu for people. I think Damdred is currently on Onegu+FF or Onegu+Trfel not sure. So from his pov Onegu is actually the lynch to go right now, from your pov it's FF, from my pov I couldn't care less because it's just Onegu+FF... But I think that Damdred is scum. Does that make you care?
Trust me for now, when the night phase hits I'll show you why. (That, or perhaps realize that I'm wrong). But I'd like to have a chance first.
The remarkable thing about Onegu's play is that he has been here, but not really scummy. His actions haven't been super beneficial for town, but look through his filter, look at what he's done. He hasn't done anything that is clearly scummy, and has clear mafia motivation. I mean, he's done a lot of scummy things, but nothing that makes him scum. And in a game this long, that's pretty impressive.
Before you lynch Onegu, read one of his past games. I don't think that Artanis bothered to check Onegu's meta. Toadesstern, you really, really, really ought to do so.
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