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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 05:18 GMT
#5802
On March 24 2015 14:16 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 14:15 Toadesstern wrote:
wait, you're VT? I thought rayn was tracker

.____________________________________________________.

did I just ruin some big play or is that about me not reading? :/
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 05:32 GMT
#5813
Wow, saw someone compare me to Vivax and how Vivax put in more effort.

Yes he has more posts and pages in his filter but I actually got a longer filter, despite having less posts!

On the left: 25x page down click in Toads filter
On the right: 25x page down click in Vivax' filter

[image loading]

:3
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 06:12 GMT
#5827
I'll grant you that claiming to have the orb means you can't just randomly point it at someone really townish.
With rayn's fake tracker claim and us never getting a CC on that it's quite likely there's no tracker in the game, so you would have gotten away with it as mafia to just point it at someone without ever mentioning it. For example our Jailer or Cop and get a 2/3 chance to get something useful out of it (RB or KP) that way...

actually I've got to agree here, for different reasons than you mentioned but I do agree. I don't think it's particularly townish at all, but I think the above is the play mafia does if it can't be caught because no tracker?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 06:14 GMT
#5830
@Trfel
Why wouldn't he just shut up about it as mafia and point it at the Cop?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 06:25 GMT
#5838
On March 24 2015 15:20 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 15:14 Toadesstern wrote:
@Trfel
Why wouldn't he just shut up about it as mafia and point it at the Cop?
Because I'm assuming mafia will kill the cop with a 100% certain shot, not a random thing.

He's probably town for it, but with more information coming in less than 18 hours on the subject, I'd rather just leave it alone until then. You guys can analyze it as much as you want, and I'll read it, I just don't feel like thinking about it at the moment.

Plus, you've already proved your analysis far superior to mine, so I'll trust you.

okay sure, I just picked the cop as an obvious example but surely there's more good looking people around than just 2KP.

If he's mafia he could try to kill someone we'd never forgive him as a claimed orb user. You don't have to go for the cop, he might as well put the orb on me or someone else that's good to get rid of while not being on the same priority than the Cop / Jailer.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 06:27 GMT
#5840
On March 24 2015 15:23 sicklucker wrote:
If they rb me kill rstou and exo. There risking a save on exo. Yo should probably save exo tonight btw...


A save on exo roleblocks him as well making his role useless... there's better people to save than him. Artanis / Vivax / Eden / I myself, all people that don't mind being roleblocked
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 06:30 GMT
#5841
meh, on the other hand RB will make the save useless if she's actually Jailer anyways so moot point eithe way...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 06:38 GMT
#5847
yeah it probably doesn't help talking about a Jailer right now. I also don't think it's a good idea to talk with sicklucker about his reads right now.

If you actually have the orb shut up about it and don't let mafia know who you're going to target. They have to send people out to deliver KP and you don't want them knowing what you think right now
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 06:54 GMT
#5860
+ Show Spoiler +
I think mafias can read inside spoilertags as well
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 07:36 GMT
#5865
I don't think the "pushing no agenda EoD" part means anything if the three possible lynches are all town. You just don't have to push any agenda as mafia in that situation and do whatever you think will make you look the best.
The lynch was between Vivax / Toad / BM at that time and I'd think a veteran mafia player would be smart enough to figure that out and just bus to look good because the bus isn't happening anyways with how fast the thread was going at that time.

I don't think superbia is that kind of player so it does indeed make him look a bit better. Not sure how much though. If we go with Rayn as mafia I could easily see him point that out to his buddies and just tell everyone to make whatever it takes to look good later in the game because the lynch is just between those 3 anyways.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 08:18 GMT
#5874
? that was obviously a joke lol

On March 23 2015 15:48 Eden1892 wrote:
i might hit 5k this game

depends on whether or not they rb rsoultin

On March 23 2015 15:50 Toadesstern wrote:
speaking of which.

I TOTALLY HAVE MORE BULLETS


as in "go RB me"

posted in all caps for comedic reasons as I did not believe anyone would take that serious
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 08:19 GMT
#5875
That one's pretty clear:
On March 23 2015 14:52 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2015 14:40 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 23 2015 14:32 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 23 2015 14:29 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 23 2015 14:25 Onegu wrote:
On March 23 2015 14:21 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 23 2015 13:30 Onegu wrote:
On March 23 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:
On March 23 2015 13:24 Onegu wrote:
I think you are scum and delivered the KP to VE so that shows if you were tracked. In order to explain the missing KP you claim JK on me. As it's kinda plausible but not really. You want HF dead so you explain you thought he wouldn't be shot for medic dodge.


okay

well, that's a nice conspiracy theory i guess?

so i assume that you also believe there is no jk in the game at all and i'm the godfather?



I don't believe a VT check on you. Hosts will never confirm btw as it confirms Edo if town or scum/dumb if wrong.

so your working theory at this point is that one scum who's been pretty townie this game fakeclaimed vig and in order to cover his tracks his partner who's also been pretty townie this game fakeclaimed jailkeeper and in order to cover her tracks a third scum fakeclaimed cop with a greencheck on the second

meanwhile the guy who hardclaimed tracker to his scumread when not under any pressure in the thread to claim is legit



Yes, since when does rayns claims make.sense

is that a general argument being implied? (i.e. "ray normally doesn't make sense with his claims") because otherwise i don't understand what i'm being asked

and if that is the question i hardly see the pertinence since it's not the main point at all. that theory is whack and frankly looks designed more to spread doubt about the claims than it is designed to find the truth

putting the last bit another way: how on earth do you intend to go about demonstrate this theory

apparently him flipping town proves that rsoultin and I are mafia because we can no longer hold to our theory that mafia shot mafia!Onegu. Thus Onegu being town shows that KP is missing

Once he flipped town we lynch into either me or rsoulting according to him

so you're vigging him tonight right

I don't know about vivax but I only had 1 bullet...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 08:35 GMT
#5878
the entire point about why mafia would want a vig dead was based on people saying there has to be mafia between Vivax and Toad during d1/n1 to begin with.

If anything I find it quite likely that mafia might even want to get BM over any of the vigs hoping for either a reapeat of d1 that just means a shitton of chaos and will end up as Toad vs Vivax lynch or for the vigs to shoot each other during n1.
If both vigs are town that is highly beneficial for mafia.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 08:41 GMT
#5881
I'll be afk and get on later again, need to catch my train and you probably want to sleep if it's 3:30 at your place. I doubt I'll miss out on a lot of talk when it's 9:40 AM in europe and 3:40 am in the US right now o/
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 21:24 GMT
#6094
Rsoultin claimed to have jailed Onegu, which is the whole point behind Onegu mafiareading her based on "why didn't you save HF"
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 21:36 GMT
#6099
On March 25 2015 06:32 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 06:29 ExO_ wrote:
On March 25 2015 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:
Rsoultin claimed to have jailed Onegu, which is the whole point behind Onegu mafiareading her based on "why didn't you save HF"


I think its much more likely mafia Onegu was jailed and couldn't shoot, than Onegu was targetted by mafia.


It depends on vigis, I feel. If both of them are real, I think they would've shot into the vigis, in which case it is likely that Onegu is mafia.

If one of them is fake, it is more likely they want to keep both of the vigis alive and shoot into the "masons".


why would mafia shoot into a vig if having town lynch them is the way better option for them? At that point in time we were all set on the idea that one of us has to be mafia and we were heading for a reapeat of d1, a lynch between Vivax and me.

That's literally best case scenario for mafia.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 21:40 GMT
#6102
On March 25 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 06:36 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 25 2015 06:32 Superbia wrote:
On March 25 2015 06:29 ExO_ wrote:
On March 25 2015 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:
Rsoultin claimed to have jailed Onegu, which is the whole point behind Onegu mafiareading her based on "why didn't you save HF"


I think its much more likely mafia Onegu was jailed and couldn't shoot, than Onegu was targetted by mafia.


It depends on vigis, I feel. If both of them are real, I think they would've shot into the vigis, in which case it is likely that Onegu is mafia.

If one of them is fake, it is more likely they want to keep both of the vigis alive and shoot into the "masons".


why would mafia shoot into a vig if having town lynch them is the way better option for them? At that point in time we were all set on the idea that one of us has to be mafia and we were heading for a reapeat of d1, a lynch between Vivax and me.

That's literally best case scenario for mafia.


Because the other vigi has to explain why he's alive on d3 or whatever. And they just keep RBing him.


you just said "they'd shoot into vig if one is fake and one is town" and now you're explaining it by using what we think to be more likely, that both are town.

Let's say you are right and it is 1 mafia 1 town.
If they shoot into vig they will shoot the town one (duh)
That would be an insta lynch on d2 for the other vig
and you say that's what they'd do because they could just keep on roleblocking the still alive vig (mafia according to your explanation because the townvig is already dead)
So they're framing the mafia-Vig as mafia by roleblocking him and making people ask why he's still alive?
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 21:44 GMT
#6104
On March 25 2015 06:38 Superbia wrote:
Like this is all rather guessing where the mafia's wine is, but if I was mafia, and both were town, I would've probably shot Vivax after that d1, especially if you can set up the wagons well.


why would you should either Vivax or me when you can get us lynched...

think about it this way:
Day 1: BM lynch
Day 2: lynch between Vivax or Toad, let's say it's on Vivax
Day 3: "Oh hey, Vivax flipped green!", lynch on Toad

sounds a lot better than what you're saying
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 21:47 GMT
#6108
On March 25 2015 06:45 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 06:44 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 25 2015 06:38 Superbia wrote:
Like this is all rather guessing where the mafia's wine is, but if I was mafia, and both were town, I would've probably shot Vivax after that d1, especially if you can set up the wagons well.


why would you should either Vivax or me when you can get us lynched...

think about it this way:
Day 1: BM lynch
Day 2: lynch between Vivax or Toad, let's say it's on Vivax
Day 3: "Oh hey, Vivax flipped green!", lynch on Toad

sounds a lot better than what you're saying


Yeah but this play is way too obvious. Mafia never wants to be obvious.

how is it obvious if they're leaving it to town to decide... you're not making any sense here.

So you're saying mafia went for the bad play that makes less sense on purpose to not be obvious... got it... it's another conspiracy
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 24 2015 21:47 GMT
#6109
On March 25 2015 06:45 Superbia wrote:
Also, thinking about it, the KP was never on Vivax because he got RBed.


how is that related to anything?
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