EPTEden, why wouldn't you believe any more claims?
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Trfel
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Eden, why wouldn't you believe any more claims? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
can't tell before the day is over. Make sure to poke me endlessly when this day reaches deadline so that I don't forget about it. Probably poke Artanis and tell him to poke me as well. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 22 2015 14:51 Trfel wrote: Toadesstern, if you solved the game, it would be nice to let the rest of us mere mortals know XD Eden, why wouldn't you believe any more claims? solved in, I know what's going on right now. I'm still somewhat confused on what implications it has. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 22 2015 13:48 Trfel wrote: Yeah, it wasn't an ideal play to claim that I had the orb right away. However, a few factors motivated this decision. Namely, a ton of people begging for my head, and a potential tracker. So I tried to out ASAP to keep myself safe. Why do you think that mafia will shoot one of the masons? They can't lynch the masons and if for whatever reason there's any doubt about the pairing mafia might make a yolo gambit to try to claim being the other partner (though I doubt this second one highly). As for people wanting your head, no sweat there. Your play will prove itself in time. I get the pressure from that, it's just a learning experience here, but in the future just keep grinding and fuck the haters man. You would vindicate yourself big time with your play | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On March 22 2015 14:49 Toadesstern wrote: We're going to change that order a little once this day is over. At least one in there is town and I have not yet figured out which one LOL | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 22 2015 14:51 Trfel wrote: Toadesstern, if you solved the game, it would be nice to let the rest of us mere mortals know XD Eden, why wouldn't you believe any more claims? Five claims is an awful lot as-is. I could believe 5 pr's given two of them just confirm each other, two of them are the same role and thus invite mislynches of each other and the 5th is directly dissynergizing with the 2 that actually do something. Esp. given that we also know mafia has RB if we take the claims at face value, this seems balanced. But I feel like even one other is too much power for town | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
give it your all to prove to me that you're the townie in there! I believe in you! | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 22 2015 14:51 Toadesstern wrote: can't tell before the day is over. Make sure to poke me endlessly when this day reaches deadline so that I don't forget about it. Probably poke Artanis and tell him to poke me as well. bruh. ._. ok fine w/e i'll try to remember | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 22 2015 14:54 Toadesstern wrote: give it your all to prove to me that you're the townie in there! I believe in you! i don't but this!! really if you are town slam you gotta ramp up yo game sson. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On March 22 2015 14:50 Eden1892 wrote: Too late, I already solved the game. Go back to bed Maybe this is why they want you to go to the champions game Go get some prop wash. | ||
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Trfel
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But I'll need to take another look at that later. There's an extremely good chance I'm wrong on that. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I'd rather let it be what it is. From what I can remember and see, Holyflare should have been scum so Idunno- Idunno- probably Rsoultin! Idunno | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 22 2015 14:55 Trfel wrote: I guess I'm still skeptical of the mason claims... But I'll need to take another look at that later. There's an extremely good chance I'm wrong on that. The great thing is that we have an ML to give so even if we're somehow wrong about them, lynching one is enough to sort that shit out. I wouldn't worry about it though. Claiming masons is a low-EV play for mafia. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 22 2015 14:57 Alakaslam wrote: Maybe when I am here more I can. I'd rather let it be what it is. From what I can remember and see, Holyflare should have been scum so Idunno- Idunno- probably Rsoultin! Idunno probably our claimed jailer that oh yeah I have never misread once I've figured out how to read her over a month ago???? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
So eden you think Palmar is the most likely to be town if you had to drop one of the reads? | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 22 2015 15:00 Toadesstern wrote: There's absolutely no need to discuss that right now. The Mason claim is fine. So eden you think Palmar is the most likely to be town if you had to drop one of the reads? By far | ||
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Trfel
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Oh, and I don't think I ever thanked Damdred for his analysis earlier, either. I was probably pretending to not be reading the thread. So, thanks to Damdred as well. I'll be going to sleep really soon, looking forward to seeing what people come up with. I made it to page 32, so yeah, real stuff from me will be a while in coming. Just, please, keep an eye on the claimed masons. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Eden1892
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On March 22 2015 13:44 Eden1892 wrote: OK boys, fasten your seat belts. We finna win this game. The Mason Claims So first of all, Onegu. Just based off of the fact that Holyflare ran with the masons thing instead of trying to get Onegu lynched, I'm gonna assume HF thought Onegu was town. I'm not very good at meta reading Onegu and he hasn't done much of anything this game to make me think anything of him. I'm cool with sheeping Holyflare here tho. If we have the luxury of an alignment check on Onegu then we can figure it out that way, but tbh if he's legit the mafia will have to NK him as long as we don't collectively go full retard and make him lynchable. That said we shouldn't 100% believe Onegu's partner claim right now. Onegu already fakeclaimed a partner and he could very well be doing it again for kicks or for strategy or for whatever. Instead we should wait until ray comes back to the thread and confirms or denies that Onegu is his partner. I am reasonably confident he will and this issue will be resolved, but we maximize the value Onegu's able to get out of his play by simply letting this claim resolve itself, as it's soon to do. The Jailer Claim When the fuck are y'all just gonna take my word for it? I'm the fucking Prophet of Rsoultin by now. Seriously. Yes she's the jailer. Yes saving Onegu over Holyflare was silly, and yes doing it because medic dodge is even sillier. But hey, player who's relatively new to the blues side of the game rolls blue and plays suboptimally. Shocking. Film at 11. rsoultin is the real medic. The Orb Trfel, I appreciate your enthusiasm and good job catching mafia. But for future reference, in a situation like this, don't disclose that you got and used the orb right away. I understand the impulse and it's definitely from the right place, you think you have something good to share (and in this case you totally did!) and you wanna get it out right away. But you can maximize the value you get from your information, and extend your play to potentially catch mafia, with some reservation. LS is a relatively new player to mafiaside and he's known to have issues with busing his teammates. Imagine what you could have gotten out of pushing him on his reads list all day and then claiming your orb check with ~6 hrs in the day. There's probably a gold mine in that list, but now we gotta mine it ourselves instead of having him mine it for us. You obviously still did a great job, don't get me wrong, this is just free advice for the next time you end up with an investigative role. Investigative roles are powerful because they represent information the mafia don't have; they reduce the information gap between town and mafia. You don't want to put all your cards on the table until you're reasonably sure you got everything you needed from it. I would have had more to say on this, but I got the impression LS confessed (I didn't read the actual page(s) where it happened, but I read the leadup and I see people quoting what sounds like a confession). And honestly, there's no excuse for tracking a claimed mason at all, and marginal excuse for checking one. So this was pretty much in the bag. Good job Trfel. The Vigs Toad shot VE, Vivax claimed to shoot Slam but was roleblocked. I'm gonna second Artanis's filter/etc. argument on Vivax being town, because it's pretty convincing. Plus Vivax being roleblocked as it's known he was shooting Slam makes perfect sense given my suspicion of Slam. And knowing Vivax is town, mafia Toad is literally never going to counterclaim vig d1 and try to get him lynched. At this point I have no problem believing we have two vigilantes. continued... **REAL JAILER LOL | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 22 2015 15:02 Toadesstern wrote: On a scale from 0 to 10, how yolo are we to maximize swag here when d3 starts? Sheeping me on all of my reads is pretty much an 11 on yolo swag so 11 | ||
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