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On March 22 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 21:50 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vivax is also claiming conspiracy theorist. Frankly, I believe it. Says the guy who suggests Trfel gives us a teammate for free? LS's IRL problems could trigger him into not wanting to play. I find that a lot more believable than an argument based solely around a possibility in a vacuum that ignores the fact that Toad has been working to solve the game above and beyond the call of duty of what he'd do as town, as well as the fact that pretty much all confirmed town are starting to come to the same conclusion. Wrong, during the night everyone was wondering where Toad was before he came in with an excuse, and after the night the first thing he tried to do was probe if the lack of my shot would raise waves.
He thought you were pretty much confirmed mafia for the claim. He slowly started realizing that wasn't the case when I talked to him, and then went on with me to look at the general overview of the game.
He's also mafia for posting this: Show nested quote +
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
What's the point of posting this as town? It's a mafia read.
The reason is that he believes SL to be town and we were trying to work on PoE? I don't see the problem.
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On March 22 2015 21:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 21:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 21:52 Vivax wrote:
Toad, Artanis, rayn, SL, LS
Out of this list, removing you and LS, whom would you lynch Artanis? Rayn is a definite possibility but I want to engage him first. I think SL is probably town based on circumstancial evidence (Superbia/Slam voting him and them looking poor). Never lynching Toad ever because he's town and that would go against my win condition. Unflipped people voting for somebody aren't circumstancial evidence, it's just a comfortable way for you to give him a TR.
It's a weak reason for a TR, for sure. I'm not stating I have a good read at all on him, but I've eliminated a lot of people from being scum (see my list) and there's a few others I suspect as town as well. Both Slam and Superbia being town is an unlikely scenario in my mind.
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On March 22 2015 21:58 sicklucker wrote:
So if theres no medic or a vet that means mafia just killed ve (which makes sense since he was claimed not vt(
Or Mafia shot Onegu. Or Onegu is mafia and tried to shoot. Vet is also a role in the game I heard someone say.
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Actually there doesn't seem to be a vet in the OP. What?
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On March 22 2015 22:02 sicklucker wrote:
Like I said it was so obvious that bth omegu/hf were not vets together thats not a scenerio. If they didnt trick me they didnt trick 5 or 6 mafia
I take it you mean masons, and I disagree. I think that option is definitely there. Also, Onegu is standing by his Mason claim. Do you believe him or not?
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On March 22 2015 22:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 21:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 21:50 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vivax is also claiming conspiracy theorist. Frankly, I believe it. Says the guy who suggests Trfel gives us a teammate for free? LS's IRL problems could trigger him into not wanting to play. I find that a lot more believable than an argument based solely around a possibility in a vacuum that ignores the fact that Toad has been working to solve the game above and beyond the call of duty of what he'd do as town, as well as the fact that pretty much all confirmed town are starting to come to the same conclusion. Wrong, during the night everyone was wondering where Toad was before he came in with an excuse, and after the night the first thing he tried to do was probe if the lack of my shot would raise waves. He thought you were pretty much confirmed mafia for the claim. He slowly started realizing that wasn't the case when I talked to him, and then went on with me to look at the general overview of the game. He's also mafia for posting this:
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
What's the point of posting this as town? It's a mafia read. The reason is that he believes SL to be town and we were trying to work on PoE? I don't see the problem. That's the point. He doesn't believe he's town. He's firmly null when Toad didn't even finish the read. Toad only posted those names for the simple reason that those are people that a majority already considered lynching. It's the low hanging fruit.
No, I'm pretty sure that like me he was throwing out reads in a stream of consciousness to see how far we can get in PoE as he was excited in solving the game, just like myself and you were too.
You still haven't explained why Mafia!Toad CCs there when it's likely it would end up in a 1 for 1 trade.
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On March 22 2015 22:05 Vivax wrote:
Artanis feels like you decided to TR Toad before even reading that post or you wouldn't claim that SL was his town read, since you would actually have read it properly.
I have TR Toad ever since he CCed you because it makes no sense from a mafia PoV. I thought this was obvious by now.
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On March 22 2015 22:07 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 21:58 sicklucker wrote:
So if theres no medic or a vet that means mafia just killed ve (which makes sense since he was claimed not vt( Or Mafia shot Onegu. Or Onegu is mafia and tried to shoot. Vet is also a role in the game I heard someone say. Or.it's.Like I said and toad is scum who claims to shoot VE but is scum and then rsoul claims JK to explain the missing shot
So are you saying Rso is scum too? Because scum couldn't have known there was a JK in the game next to all the already claimed blues.
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On March 22 2015 22:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 22:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 22:05 Vivax wrote:
Artanis feels like you decided to TR Toad before even reading that post or you wouldn't claim that SL was his town read, since you would actually have read it properly. I have TR Toad ever since he CCed you because it makes no sense from a mafia PoV. I thought this was obvious by now. When you say "it makes no sense from a PoV" you enter the wifom.
When you go back to one thing and claim it makes someone mafia, then ignore the rest of their game, you enter the Vivax zone. I don't buy that Toad CCed for a 1 for 1 as scum, could push you as convinced as he was, end up TRing you because of good argumentation (mine) and then proceed to attempt to solve the game. The town narrative makes much, much more sense.
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Of course he ended up screaming about you; you claimed vig, a role he had and did not believe there could be two of. Unless this is from a stage where you hadn't claimed yet.
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SL if Toad is mafia and they just used the two shots they have to shoot HF/VE, where does rso's JK claim come in and does it make her scum to you?
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On March 22 2015 22:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 22:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 22:07 Onegu wrote:On March 22 2015 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 21:58 sicklucker wrote:
So if theres no medic or a vet that means mafia just killed ve (which makes sense since he was claimed not vt( Or Mafia shot Onegu. Or Onegu is mafia and tried to shoot. Vet is also a role in the game I heard someone say. Or.it's.Like I said and toad is scum who claims to shoot VE but is scum and then rsoul claims JK to explain the missing shot So are you saying Rso is scum too? Because scum couldn't have known there was a JK in the game next to all the already claimed blues. So many blues claimed already decent yolo play. I have scum read her for a while
Are you conveniently ignoring the 26 page filter?
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On March 22 2015 22:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 22:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 22:08 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 22:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 22:05 Vivax wrote:
Artanis feels like you decided to TR Toad before even reading that post or you wouldn't claim that SL was his town read, since you would actually have read it properly. I have TR Toad ever since he CCed you because it makes no sense from a mafia PoV. I thought this was obvious by now. When you say "it makes no sense from a PoV" you enter the wifom. When you go back to one thing and claim it makes someone mafia, then ignore the rest of their game, you enter the Vivax zone. I don't buy that Toad CCed for a 1 for 1 as scum, could push you as convinced as he was, end up TRing you because of good argumentation (mine) and then proceed to attempt to solve the game. The town narrative makes much, much more sense. How am I ignoring the rest of Toad's game? I've scumread him for the Palmar overreaction, I scumread him for the overreaction towards me, for picking the low hanging fruit when he doesn't even have a read on them, for jumping on the biggest wagon in a faked fit of rage, for shooting a guy who wasn't even in his list previously and doesn't fit into the Alakaslam category, for fucking off most of the night, for trying to use the RB on me against me. I have information from every phase on Toad. Also I'm removing rayn from the possible scummers as that is way more tinfoil than a mafia Toad.
Palmar overreaction can be explained from the fact that in Hammertime Palmar just shouted Kill Toad a lot and got a Town Toad lynched that way, though I can understand it as I was skeptical of him at that point too. His reaction against you is not an overreaction if he's a vig and sees another vig claim. As for picking the low hanging fruit, who, you and Palmar? Lol. As for faking rage, that's an impression I really didn't have. Toad seems sincere to me all the way. Shooting VE is kinda weird from his perspective though and probably the best point you have on him. I'm okay with hearing more from him explaining why he did that.
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On March 22 2015 22:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 22:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Of course he ended up screaming about you; you claimed vig, a role he had and did not believe there could be two of. Unless this is from a stage where you hadn't claimed yet. He screamed about me after I posted the thing where I said that expecting somebody to always play the same as an alignment is wrong, more or less. That was before the claim. See? You aren't even bothering to read him properly.
Or I did read properly but I don't memorize 240 pages of thread out of my head. I remember that now and I thought him pointing out your hypocrisy was actually quite understandable. He just didn't realize you're a hypocrite as town too.
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On March 22 2015 22:19 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
SL if Toad is mafia and they just used the two shots they have to shoot HF/VE, where does rso's JK claim come in and does it make her scum to you? It makes her bad. I think you only claim if your 100% sure its a save. This is like maybe he was saved? its useless information but im still going with my original townread on her for now
So you think mafia just shot VE/HF with their two shots and Toad is vanilla scum and mafia didn't really have any plan to explain the missing kill and their plan was to have Toad claim the VE kill even if VE wasn't on his original scumread list?
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Or we can collectively decide that the person with the longest filter in the game that is being hard townread by a near confirmed townie in Eden is probably not scum. That sounds like a better idea.
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Onegu who IS your mason partner?
If you lie about it one more time I will policy lynch you D3.
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On March 22 2015 22:25 Vivax wrote:
We need rayn in here to whip town into shape.
No, we need an actual voice of reason like Eden or maybe a re-evaling Damdred in here.
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On March 22 2015 22:25 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 22:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Onegu who IS your mason partner?
If you lie about it one more time I will policy lynch you D3. Fine lynch me
JUST SAY IT WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU
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On March 22 2015 22:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 22:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 22:25 Vivax wrote:
We need rayn in here to whip town into shape. No, we need an actual voice of reason like Eden or maybe a re-evaling Damdred in here. A leader isn't the voice of reason, a leader is someone who can make himself heard.
Rayn can make himself heard and then have everyone ignore what they've heard because he's gone mad.
I would love to talk to a calm and collected Rayn but it doesn't seem like we have that luxury this game.
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