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On March 22 2015 04:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 04:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 04:02 Vivax wrote: And the Trfel I coached had no trouble reading me town when I was town which he clearly isn't able of doing this game even though the majority of vet players is able. Artanis isn't cause probably mafia. I don't think you've been keeping up. I called you town earlier bro. And I don't think I give a crap about what you say during the night cause my observation stems from the day. It's a good thing you don't change your opinion based on new data, good play
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Just went through Rayn's filter in his last two scumgames and compared them with his last towngame as well as this one. One thing I noticed as I scrolled through them was that Mafia Rayn tunnels a lot more than town Rayn. Another thing was that Scum Rayn never really gave out list posts or reads on the overall field whereas Town Rayn had more of an overview of the field. This game I feel like Rayn's attention has been going from person to person which would be much more in line with his Town game.
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On March 22 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yo guys, just got back from a long ass capoeira session. First of all, sorry to hear that LS.
Second, Damdred, you seem to have forgotten the thing about Trfel/Superbia early on where they both asked how many mafia players are playing in this game. I still believe that tell to be valid. I also know I'm town so your team is guaranteed to be wrong. I also think that shooting into "unknowns" is terrible unless they don't post a lot. I've given plenty of info to read into, so I should either be lynched or kept alive but never shot by a town vig.
So as to who I think you might be wrong on: Rayn and VE come to mind. Your current team lacks a lot of vet power, and though it's possible RNG made it that way, Host WIFOM dictates that there's probably at least one strong player in the mafia team. Rayn's claim can easily be bullshit. I dunno if scum can have a tracker but he can just unclaim it anytime anyway and it'd be just one more Rayn fakeclaim. I've given VE a peripheral townread for his tone but I seem to be getting too many townreads, and that was one of the weakest ones. I'm not sure what you saw in VE's filter that truly made you read him town, but I have not been convinced by him this game. I had to taunt him into actually going into his read on me and he hasn't pushed his opinions at all despite them being in conflict with town consensus (such as his Fecal scumread which no one agreed upon, yet he never tried to convince anyone).
I think one of the two is probably scum and I'll spend some time digging into them once I'm a bit rested. this post for reference Not only is the wifom ridiculously strong but he makes assumptions based off of it and also adds rayn fake claiming for no reason whatsoever. His only mafia reads are a claimed blue and ve who isn't actually that bad looking i really just want you to shoot artanis for this post plz HtS is the host here, not BH. Stop pretending it's BH.
Rayn also has a history of fakeclaiming, plus he has been a scumread of me for most of the game so it didn't drop out of the air or something.
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On March 22 2015 05:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just went through Rayn's filter in his last two scumgames and compared them with his last towngame as well as this one. One thing I noticed as I scrolled through them was that Mafia Rayn tunnels a lot more than town Rayn. Another thing was that Scum Rayn never really gave out list posts or reads on the overall field whereas Town Rayn had more of an overview of the field. This game I feel like Rayn's attention has been going from person to person which would be much more in line with his Town game. you mean like the last game where rayn afk tunneled on 1 guy the entirety of day 1 as town????? i don't believe you I scrolled through his filter and saw interactions with a lot of different people as well as a list post. I didn't read indepth on a 14 page filter of a different game when I was comparing multiple games.
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Yes, and I have talked a lot with HtS.
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On March 22 2015 05:17 Vivax wrote: Artanis can you give me a good reason why you were the only one of the people who know me rather well to scumread me?
Host wifom tells me that if only one "vivax-vet" scumreads me then that guy is the vet on the mafia team. What do you want me to say? My reasons for suspecting you are in the thread. You didn't post much during the first part of D1, you've smurfed before when you didn't think you could handle the activity, and then Toad's claim felt much more legitimate because it was a CC and a 1 for 1 doesn't make sense. Then I kept pushing you because I wanted the situation resolved and felt you were by far the most likely to flip scum. Then today I re-evaluated as I don't think you would be able to put the amount of effort you put into the game since the Damdred case in as scum.
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On March 22 2015 05:18 Holyflare wrote: so you're telling me this game isn't rng'd? I don't know, I think there's a good chance some balancing would take place if the rng'd team was really shit.
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Also why is VE so town to you? Did you go through his filter?
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On March 22 2015 05:21 Holyflare wrote: ok gg i quit cya wtf is this?
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On March 22 2015 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Noone can ever meta me. True story. So you're claiming scum then? That's nice to know
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Someone with a townread on VE explain to me why he's town.
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On March 22 2015 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Noone can ever meta me. True story. So you're claiming scum then? That's nice to know  How do you conclude this? Because my meta conclusion is that you are town. You say that no one can meta you, suggesting my conclusion is wrong. + Show Spoiler +I know how you meant it, I was just being coy you sarcasm-oblivious Finn
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On March 22 2015 05:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone with a townread on VE explain to me why he's town. He buddies me up pretty nicely with his reads and stuff. He also didn't try to lynch me. I think that suffices. He voted Toad. Toad is Town. He also came back almost instantly after the deadline whilst being afk on the time leading up to it which is pretty highly sketch.
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On March 22 2015 05:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 05:27 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone with a townread on VE explain to me why he's town. He buddies me up pretty nicely with his reads and stuff. He also didn't try to lynch me. I think that suffices. He voted Toad. Toad is Town. He also came back almost instantly after the deadline whilst being afk on the time leading up to it which is pretty highly sketch. if you think toad is town and i presume you think vivax is town because you didn't scum read him in your host wifom then why on earth was rayn in your list when he was on the bm lynch????? Because with two big wagons all mafia are always on one wagon right???????
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On March 22 2015 05:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 05:32 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 05:27 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone with a townread on VE explain to me why he's town. He buddies me up pretty nicely with his reads and stuff. He also didn't try to lynch me. I think that suffices. He voted Toad. Toad is Town. He also came back almost instantly after the deadline whilst being afk on the time leading up to it which is pretty highly sketch. if you think toad is town and i presume you think vivax is town because you didn't scum read him in your host wifom then why on earth was rayn in your list when he was on the bm lynch????? Because with two big wagons all mafia are always on one wagon right??????? ...................... when there's 2 town vig claims mafia wants to move to that afk vt claim right....? pretty sure rayn was a key person to vote switch too I didn't consider his voteswitch at all yet until you brought it up. It does make him look better presuming both vigis are town, but it's far from unheard of for scumrayn to switch from a town vigi to a town vt, especially if they have ways to fuck with the vigis.
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On March 22 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote: he could have just afk'd on toad and vivax would still die Because afking at deadline never looks bad later on, especially when you're always there at deadlines. I'm not denying it makes him look better but it's far from the confirmed town story you're trying to present it as.
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On March 22 2015 05:41 Holyflare wrote: well whatever i'm retroactively boycotting this game because it's not rng'd That's dumb because I never said it isn't rnged, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR ISN'T, I JUST THINK THAT BALANCING MIGHT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IF THE TEAM WAS REALLY LOPSIDED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
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On March 22 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote: he could have just afk'd on toad and vivax would still die Because afking at deadline never looks bad later on, especially when you're always there at deadlines. I'm not denying it makes him look better but it's far from the confirmed town story you're trying to present it as. this is nothing to do with rayn and everything to you not being analytical in the slightest when it came to your scum read rayn I'm posting in a stream of consciousness, I'm sorry I didn't consider every single fact. Point me to a towngame where I do that and I will give you a round of applause.
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On March 22 2015 05:45 Vivax wrote: Artanis I thought of a similar argument for VE. He afk voted Toad during deadline and came back telling us we all suck, which was my main jist with him at the start of the night.
Now you're telling me scum didn't afk vote? I'm saying it objectively looks bad which is why if Rayn is scum he didn't do that. I'm not saying scum don't do that at all.
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On March 22 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2015 05:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote: he could have just afk'd on toad and vivax would still die Because afking at deadline never looks bad later on, especially when you're always there at deadlines. I'm not denying it makes him look better but it's far from the confirmed town story you're trying to present it as. this is nothing to do with rayn and everything to you not being analytical in the slightest when it came to your scum read rayn I'm posting in a stream of consciousness, I'm sorry I didn't consider every single fact. Point me to a towngame where I do that and I will give you a round of applause. you discredited everything damd said and talked about host wifom balancing and said his reads weren't good and gave a list of your mafia reads (rayn and ve) but now you're telling me you aren't considering the facts when damdred was and he's the wrong one? I didn't discredit everything damdred said at all? I said he was wrong on trfel/superbia being mafia together because of the thing I've pointed out in the start of the game and since I know he's wrong on me that means he's wrong on at the very least one person on his team.
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