XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) - Page 301

On March 20 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
or let's put it another way

you have 3 players

2 are going nuts proposing and doing all kinds of weird shit
1 isn't

which is mafia?

etc

On March 21 2015 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not sure if you are calling me mafia here or what?
What am i supposed to say? I am not going to make up some shit like Palmar (his towncase on himself is explaining why he has called townies mafia?!?!?! -- like who cares?). I have done what i have done in this game, iknow one of Palmar / Eden HAS to be scum. There is nothing i need to say.

On March 20 2015 03:55 Eden1892 wrote:
(2) ...man, (2) is hard too. I can see the necessity of ray busing JAT. That's not terribly difficult to figure out. ray was on the chopping block for all of d1 and then JAT started getting on the block late, so it makes some sense for ray to bus JAT; whichever one isn't lynched looks better for the push (either ray looks better for pushing mafia or JAT looks better for being the target of lynched mafia's final gambit at survival). But it seems like he wouldn't want to switch off me and onto Onegu. I probably need to look at when he moved to Onegu to figure it out, because my recollection was that Fecalfeast moved first, marv moved second, then ray. It's still weird, because I don't know why ray would feel the necessity of lynching Onegu there. Maybe he figured Onegu was going down soon and wanted the credit for endgame? It makes sense to make a final bus move at MYLO-1 instead of at MYLO, because people don't expect a bus at MYLO-1, whereas they'll believe anything about MYLO.

I don't feel like I can make a hella convincing case about (2), but it seems like the best shot based on what I said. I don't believe that marv would be the framer or that there would be two godfathers; if I'm entertaining a setup like that then it's prplhz for sure over marv. And Palmar's town case is really fucking convincing. I think he's town.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: raynpelikoneet

On March 20 2015 04:33 Eden1892 wrote:

This is a really bad reason and I don't think I believe it. This is worse than my reason and my reason was pretty bad. I can at least excuse my reason with a bout of irrational frustration. You're treating it like a calculated decision, which makes no sense for someone with a strong townread to do without any engagement with marv about the issue.

I want everyone to go through ray's filter and ctrl-f "onegu" for me. This is roughly what you'll find:

- A lot of unexplained flip-flops early on Onegu. ray starts off townreading Onegu early, then completely retracts his townread, claiming that if Onegu were mafia, Onegu would want to avoid townreading ray but also avoid scumreading him either. Onegu responds by claiming ray is 100% town, which apparently does not affect ray's read on Onegu.
- ray briefly acknowledges that Onegu's vote "looks good" for him, but then throughout d2 is talking about Onegu being a good lynch and ritoky being town.
- Despite the above, ray sheeps marv onto the guy he had a strong townread on without debating the issue with marv first. He also never votes for Onegu, despite now trying to claim credit for pushing Onegu. Additionally, he never makes a concerted push on Onegu d2.
- He comes out voting for Onegu immediately on d3. Given the above, this looks like a bus he planned in the night. He ends up flipping onto me when he thinks he can get me lynched, but then moves back as soon as the tide shifts toward Onegu at the end.

This to me looks like someone who didn't know what to do with his partner early, then looked for an out to not lynch his partner, then decided to commit to the bus on his partner. The evolution of this read is more than a little sketchy.

ray, you're going to need to explain how your read evolved on Onegu like Palmar explained how his d1 reads evolved.

On March 20 2015 23:52 marvellosity wrote:
Like, I have to say the things that bug me, because otherwise I will feel bad after the game.

1. The day 1 wagons (rayn counterwagon thing)
2. rayn wasn't NK after claiming doctor and leading lynch on mafia (??)
3. rayn called Damdred mafia and then said "he had no idea why people think Damdred is mafia"
4. rayn's certainty on the mafia vs how he dealt with other people.

4 is actually a new point. It kinda relates to Onegu/prplhz.

rayn was ALWAYS hard on Onegu (d3). And I am a nervous nelly, so I brought things up that made me scared. Onegu joking around. Onegu not caring about his life (apparently). But rayn did not even give pause to these things. rayn did not give pause to anything Koshi said. And Koshi was certain town and made some quite convincing points on Onegu, but no doubts, no wavering.

But with prplhz, prplhz was red too. But so much umming and ahing about him. Actually looking at the other side. Seeing what he did that was town, and what was mafia. Doubts.

Of coure all this might just be excellent play. But it may be... ... yeah.

On March 21 2015 00:05 Koshi wrote:
Really. The solution to win this game is to discard everything that happened. Discard a blue cop claim in a game which obviously has a cop.

And then start calling the greenchecks and the cop mafia for a couple of posts.

Then when the cop says you are a retard emo out.

On March 20 2015 05:30 Eden1892 wrote:
Do not ever lynch Palmar until someone rebuts his big townie case.
Do not ever lynch marv because if there's a framer it's prplhz.
Do not ever lynch Koshi because he never fakeclaims cop there.
Probably do not ever lynch prplhz because it's doubtful there is a framer. If ray is town then lynch him but only if ray is town.