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On March 19 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse.""if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town".
But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as:
- He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia
- ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!?
I said this in my first response. I think ritoky would vote for JAT if he were mafia because I think it would be a more plausible bus if it were a two-sided bus instead of one-sided. It makes the distancing greater should one of them flip scum. You might not agree, but that's where I was coming from on that.
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On March 19 2015 05:16 Eden1892 wrote:
Palmar tho. He votes JAT cuz he claims he sheeps people who care, which actually sounds hella legit. Then he's all like "lol JAT worst euro ml'd d1" and other outright trolling. I have no clue what to make of it. Palmar, why did you switch to JAT d1?
The train was on him, koshi seemed quite passionate about it and I had been scum reading jat all day anyway.
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On March 19 2015 05:18 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse.""if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" On March 18 2015 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? On March 18 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town".
But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as:
- He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia
- ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!? I said this in my first response. I think ritoky would vote for JAT if he were mafia because I think it would be a more plausible bus if it were a two-sided bus instead of one-sided. It makes the distancing greater should one of them flip scum. You might not agree, but that's where I was coming from on that.
I understand that.
What i don't understand is that you directly contradict this in the post you made.
Not verbally but silently. Like everything behind the words says otherwise while you don't clearly say so.
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By the way:
Onegu's reputation as a hardcore busser is greatly exaggerated.
There are 2 mafia games for Onegu in the database since the start of 2014. They are Neat and Tidy Mini Mafia and Hammertime Mafia. (Links are to his filters.) He had two partners - Mages and batsnacks - in Neat&Tidy, one partner (Robik) in Hammertime.
The hardcore busing of batsnacks is well-documented here. What's not is that Onegu sorta-townread his other teammate that game and hardcore townread Robik in the other one. People are citing one example out of three as evidence that Onegu is a hardcore busser. It just isn't backed up by the recent data. The only reasonable conclusion to be made from Onegu's recent mafia games is that it is inconclusive as to whether or not Onegu buses frequently.
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For very selfish reasons I really really Eden to be town.
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There is only one response i am talking about Eden.
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On March 19 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:18 Eden1892 wrote:On March 19 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse.""if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" On March 18 2015 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? On March 18 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town".
But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as:
- He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia
- ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!? I said this in my first response. I think ritoky would vote for JAT if he were mafia because I think it would be a more plausible bus if it were a two-sided bus instead of one-sided. It makes the distancing greater should one of them flip scum. You might not agree, but that's where I was coming from on that. I understand that. What i don't understand is that you directly contradict this in the post you made. Not verbally but silently. Like everything behind the words says otherwise while you don't clearly say so.
Er, tell me if I have this right, because I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that the way I structured that read seems to indicate that I think (or should think) ritoky is mafia?
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Eden I have now responded to two of your inquiries. Has this changed your mind at all about me?
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On March 19 2015 05:30 Eden1892 wrote:By the way: Onegu's reputation as a hardcore busser is greatly exaggerated.There are 2 mafia games for Onegu in the database since the start of 2014. They are Neat and Tidy Mini Mafia and Hammertime Mafia. (Links are to his filters.) He had two partners - Mages and batsnacks - in Neat&Tidy, one partner (Robik) in Hammertime. The hardcore busing of batsnacks is well-documented here. What's not is that Onegu sorta-townread his other teammate that game and hardcore townread Robik in the other one. People are citing one example out of three as evidence that Onegu is a hardcore busser. It just isn't backed up by the recent data. The only reasonable conclusion to be made from Onegu's recent mafia games is that it is inconclusive as to whether or not Onegu buses frequently.
I am not sure who are these people who are using the things you claim here against anyone or however they have anything to do with anything?
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On March 19 2015 05:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:16 Eden1892 wrote:
Palmar tho. He votes JAT cuz he claims he sheeps people who care, which actually sounds hella legit. Then he's all like "lol JAT worst euro ml'd d1" and other outright trolling. I have no clue what to make of it. Palmar, why did you switch to JAT d1?
The train was on him, koshi seemed quite passionate about it and I had been scum reading jat all day anyway.
ok, that checks out actually. I should have looked further at your filter than just near EOD
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On March 19 2015 05:31 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2015 05:18 Eden1892 wrote:On March 19 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse.""if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" On March 18 2015 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? On March 18 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town".
But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as:
- He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia
- ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!? I said this in my first response. I think ritoky would vote for JAT if he were mafia because I think it would be a more plausible bus if it were a two-sided bus instead of one-sided. It makes the distancing greater should one of them flip scum. You might not agree, but that's where I was coming from on that. I understand that. What i don't understand is that you directly contradict this in the post you made. Not verbally but silently. Like everything behind the words says otherwise while you don't clearly say so. Er, tell me if I have this right, because I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that the way I structured that read seems to indicate that I think (or should think) ritoky is mafia?
yes.
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On March 19 2015 05:33 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:25 Palmar wrote:On March 19 2015 05:16 Eden1892 wrote:
Palmar tho. He votes JAT cuz he claims he sheeps people who care, which actually sounds hella legit. Then he's all like "lol JAT worst euro ml'd d1" and other outright trolling. I have no clue what to make of it. Palmar, why did you switch to JAT d1?
The train was on him, koshi seemed quite passionate about it and I had been scum reading jat all day anyway. ok, that checks out actually. I should have looked further at your filter than just near EOD
Like I'm obviously overplaying it a bit because I like patting myself on the back, but there is a reason the sex list explicitly had JAT as mafia.
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On March 19 2015 05:32 Palmar wrote:
Eden I have now responded to two of your inquiries. Has this changed your mind at all about me?
somewhat
I'm still trying to figure this out. I would really like to see prplhz's answer to my question about his d1 voting record before I answer this more
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On March 19 2015 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:31 Eden1892 wrote:On March 19 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2015 05:18 Eden1892 wrote:On March 19 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse.""if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" On March 18 2015 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? On March 18 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town".
But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as:
- He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia
- ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!? I said this in my first response. I think ritoky would vote for JAT if he were mafia because I think it would be a more plausible bus if it were a two-sided bus instead of one-sided. It makes the distancing greater should one of them flip scum. You might not agree, but that's where I was coming from on that. I understand that. What i don't understand is that you directly contradict this in the post you made. Not verbally but silently. Like everything behind the words says otherwise while you don't clearly say so. Er, tell me if I have this right, because I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that the way I structured that read seems to indicate that I think (or should think) ritoky is mafia? yes.
OK, not really sure what to tell you then. Shrug. I get what you're saying, it's just not what I was trying to convey.
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*spanks marv*
get here you bitch
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On March 19 2015 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:30 Eden1892 wrote:By the way: Onegu's reputation as a hardcore busser is greatly exaggerated.There are 2 mafia games for Onegu in the database since the start of 2014. They are Neat and Tidy Mini Mafia and Hammertime Mafia. (Links are to his filters.) He had two partners - Mages and batsnacks - in Neat&Tidy, one partner (Robik) in Hammertime. The hardcore busing of batsnacks is well-documented here. What's not is that Onegu sorta-townread his other teammate that game and hardcore townread Robik in the other one. People are citing one example out of three as evidence that Onegu is a hardcore busser. It just isn't backed up by the recent data. The only reasonable conclusion to be made from Onegu's recent mafia games is that it is inconclusive as to whether or not Onegu buses frequently. I am not sure who are these people who are using the things you claim here against anyone or however they have anything to do with anything?
That's odd since you explicitly commented on Onegu busing bats earlier. You don't remember doing this? It was earlier today...
I argued prplhz is strong town because Onegu spent the whole time he cared to play trying to kill him. marv said that was bad because Onegu is a hardcore busser. I went to research Onegu's games to see if this held up. It doesn't (imo). I swear I mentioned I would do this not an hour ago lol
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On March 19 2015 05:31 Palmar wrote:
For very selfish reasons I really really Eden to be town.
explain this at eon please
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Like I feel like I'm going to get somewhat vindicated unless Eden (or rayn, I guess, but I'm sorta ignoring that option) is mafia.
If it's Eden I've been pushing townies left and right and now I'm talking myself into townreading scum again.
If it's rayn Koshi and Eden are somewhat vindicated (and marv from day 1 I suppose).
If it's FF we lose and everyone is shit.
If it's Koshi we lose and everyone is shit.
If it's marv I'm super vindicated and town hero
if it's prplhz at least my primary reason for starting to suspect marv was legit as fuck.
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On March 13 2015 07:08 prplhz wrote:
gf v medic vig seems pretty weak
Errrr how did this guy know there was a godfather in the game...???????
This was start of d2
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EPT
