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On March 14 2015 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway rayn, while/if you look at what I posted about ritoky. Let me talk to you about Eden, and you can tell me where I am wrong, if you think he is mafia.
1) He is significantly more active than his mafia games
2) he pushed jat early, from fairly near the start, in a mostly natural way, and again at a good time near the end
3) His attention is shifting constantly, seeing mafia in people, accusing them (contrast 1 total vote in his last mafia game day 1)
4) His frustration seems real and genuine - compare to his last mafia game where he folded immediately when under pressure
5) he looked like a headless sheep at the start of d2.
I don't think some slip that doesn't look like a slip makes up for these things. But I am willing for you to tell me differently. Sorry i'll go look at your ritoky post after answering this. Just tell Koshi to stop. I don't know anything about Eden's meta. There is not a game (until recently) where i have closely read his posts because from my experience he tends to be like Palmar but worse (trolly as either alignment -- but when he posts i don't get much out of it). What i CAN say about your points is: 1) see above
2) Eden busses, he bussed SL in the PM game from the start.3) Based on that game (where i actually read her posts after Koshi told me to) i agree 4) yes this is something i noticed aswell -- it is a good point 5) everyone was a headless sheep at the D2 start from what i read. Nobody had any fucking clue what was going on. That's why Eden's first post stood out, it looked like he knew what was going on.
If you know 2
You also know that he was much, much less active in that game. So you kinda know 1 also.
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On March 13 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2015 05:24 ritoky wrote:
sorry, i take pride in the accuracy of my day 1 reads not gonna hand out scum reads i don't feel confident in
#dealwithit
palmar and damdred are town though. might sheep palmar Show nested quote +On March 12 2015 05:33 ritoky wrote:
when applying lynch pressure to someone and they still refuse to give out reads they don't believe in, should you a) think they are more scum or b) think they are more town
the correct answer is b.
why did you answer with a?
also idk, i don't have a real reason to lynch rayn or jat i would rather sheep palmar Show nested quote +On March 12 2015 05:38 ritoky wrote:
you can switch to me if you want eden, i won't be switching to rayn
##unvote
##vote: marv
sheepin dat palmar cuz he has the #sickstrats Show nested quote +On March 12 2015 05:52 ritoky wrote:On March 12 2015 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2015 05:49 ritoky wrote:On March 12 2015 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2015 05:48 rsoultin wrote:
good freaking god ><
MOST PEOPLE WERE CALLING RITOKY MAFIA! RAYN IS RIGHT! STOP BEING OBTUSE! Way to miss the point. that you were lying about your read? no i think she got it What? you say most people weren't calling me mafia over half the thread has me on a mafia or a poe mafia list. you are lying. case closed. Show nested quote +On March 12 2015 06:00 ritoky wrote:
i found 2 confirmed town, palmar and damdred. koochi is like 80% town too. urr1 else is in gray area somewhere Show nested quote +On March 12 2015 06:07 ritoky wrote:
rayn now on equal footing as koochi; 80% town read I'm quoting all these posts together for some context. Let's take the first 2-3 posts. ritoky says he ain't got no strong scumreads so he'll sheep one of his townreads (Palmar). Ok I guess. Second post is "i don't have a reason to lynch rayn or jat" - ok, so he blindly puts his vote on me, when Palmar has provided no explanation for why I am mafia. 4th post - ritoky has A VERY GOOD REASON to call jat mafia. jat is literally lying about the stuff on ritoky. But no switch. 5th/6th posts - Koshi and rayn are both 80% townreads. Koshi and rayn are both hardpushing jat. Koshi and rayn are both hardpushing jat, ritoky has outright accused jat of lying, ritoky townreads Koshi and rayn, and yet ritoky leaves his vote and only moves it right at the end. Why?
Okay this makes sense.
##unvote
##vote ritoky
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On March 14 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 14 2015 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway rayn, while/if you look at what I posted about ritoky. Let me talk to you about Eden, and you can tell me where I am wrong, if you think he is mafia.
1) He is significantly more active than his mafia games
2) he pushed jat early, from fairly near the start, in a mostly natural way, and again at a good time near the end
3) His attention is shifting constantly, seeing mafia in people, accusing them (contrast 1 total vote in his last mafia game day 1)
4) His frustration seems real and genuine - compare to his last mafia game where he folded immediately when under pressure
5) he looked like a headless sheep at the start of d2.
I don't think some slip that doesn't look like a slip makes up for these things. But I am willing for you to tell me differently. Sorry i'll go look at your ritoky post after answering this. Just tell Koshi to stop. I don't know anything about Eden's meta. There is not a game (until recently) where i have closely read his posts because from my experience he tends to be like Palmar but worse (trolly as either alignment -- but when he posts i don't get much out of it). What i CAN say about your points is: 1) see above
2) Eden busses, he bussed SL in the PM game from the start.3) Based on that game (where i actually read her posts after Koshi told me to) i agree 4) yes this is something i noticed aswell -- it is a good point 5) everyone was a headless sheep at the D2 start from what i read. Nobody had any fucking clue what was going on. That's why Eden's first post stood out, it looked like he knew what was going on. If you know 2 You also know that he was much, much less active in that game. So you kinda know 1 also.
Honestly i do not. I do not know how active he is as town.
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I have NEVER compared Eden's town/scum games.
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ok ok
all i mean is you know how active he is there
and you see how active he is here.
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You are super town marv and i'm disappointed that you got drawn into this crap tastic semantics debate. I was quite enjoying reading your reads.
Anyway I've realized for a good 36 hours i'm really biased and tunneled on Eden also by my own metrics that I enjoy using I should have Eden in the town category and I know this.
But literally I am having difficulty playing this game with this Eden, I posted concerns that I had about him to a neutral party at that moment in time who was town reading Eden (aka marv). I never directed my suspicions at the person who was saying that Eden didn't look so good, If I was just going along with thread sentiment at that time I would of went with Koshi to rile him up some as mafia instead of asking Marv if he saw what I saw. And instead of looking at it and going ok Damdred has a point even if I disagree makes this large case that really is a lot of non-points that do not go along with my scum game and tunnel on me for a cycle and a half basically and it is quite disconcerting especially when people say that what he is pointing out is not alignment indicative for the most part. But Eden does have glaring flaws in his play this game that I pointed out earlier and I don't feel like listing again at this point because I know i'm biased from anger and can't be objective at this point about him. However by the way I play the game I should have him as town meh.
I'll probably do another POE in a bit and put all of my reads into it and go from there more than likely.
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On March 14 2015 01:31 marvellosity wrote:
ok ok
all i mean is you know how active he is there
and you see how active he is here.
Yes he is quite active here. And yeah, he was quite inactive that Palmar game.
It is just that when i see something that pings me really hard i throw everything else out of the window.
Okay, maybe i am wrong.
I still want to know why does town!Eden vote for Palmar for his vig claim.
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##unvote
##vote ritoky
This bores me.
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Guys do you think a Doctor Roleblocker setup be a little to strong for a 9-3 setup?
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On March 14 2015 01:32 Damdred wrote:
You are super town marv and i'm disappointed that you got drawn into this crap tastic semantics debate. I was quite enjoying reading your reads.
Anyway I've realized for a good 36 hours i'm really biased and tunneled on Eden also by my own metrics that I enjoy using I should have Eden in the town category and I know this.
But literally I am having difficulty playing this game with this Eden, I posted concerns that I had about him to a neutral party at that moment in time who was town reading Eden (aka marv). I never directed my suspicions at the person who was saying that Eden didn't look so good, If I was just going along with thread sentiment at that time I would of went with Koshi to rile him up some as mafia instead of asking Marv if he saw what I saw. And instead of looking at it and going ok Damdred has a point even if I disagree makes this large case that really is a lot of non-points that do not go along with my scum game and tunnel on me for a cycle and a half basically and it is quite disconcerting especially when people say that what he is pointing out is not alignment indicative for the most part. But Eden does have glaring flaws in his play this game that I pointed out earlier and I don't feel like listing again at this point because I know i'm biased from anger and can't be objective at this point about him. However by the way I play the game I should have him as town meh.
I'll probably do another POE in a bit and put all of my reads into it and go from there more than likely.
Before you do that how can you go against Koshi in this game if you are mafia?
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On March 14 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys do you think a Doctor Roleblocker setup be a little to strong for a 9-3 setup?
Consider me ???. You are putting way too much thought into something you cannot prove.
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Like, LightningStrike, what i am does not help you in any way in this course at this point.
It might come handy later on and i WILL claim my role if i need to. There is zero need now.
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Ok. I am voting rayn again if he tries to keep this doc - RB charade up.
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On March 14 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, LightningStrike, what i am does not help you in any way in this course at this point.
It might come handy later on and i WILL claim my role if i need to. There is zero need now.
Nha do it now. Is it veteran or vt or something else special?
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On March 14 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, LightningStrike, what i am does not help you in any way in this course at this point.
It might come handy later on and i WILL claim my role if i need to. There is zero need now.
Didn't you claim doctor earlier?
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On March 14 2015 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 01:32 Damdred wrote:
You are super town marv and i'm disappointed that you got drawn into this crap tastic semantics debate. I was quite enjoying reading your reads.
Anyway I've realized for a good 36 hours i'm really biased and tunneled on Eden also by my own metrics that I enjoy using I should have Eden in the town category and I know this.
But literally I am having difficulty playing this game with this Eden, I posted concerns that I had about him to a neutral party at that moment in time who was town reading Eden (aka marv). I never directed my suspicions at the person who was saying that Eden didn't look so good, If I was just going along with thread sentiment at that time I would of went with Koshi to rile him up some as mafia instead of asking Marv if he saw what I saw. And instead of looking at it and going ok Damdred has a point even if I disagree makes this large case that really is a lot of non-points that do not go along with my scum game and tunnel on me for a cycle and a half basically and it is quite disconcerting especially when people say that what he is pointing out is not alignment indicative for the most part. But Eden does have glaring flaws in his play this game that I pointed out earlier and I don't feel like listing again at this point because I know i'm biased from anger and can't be objective at this point about him. However by the way I play the game I should have him as town meh.
I'll probably do another POE in a bit and put all of my reads into it and go from there more than likely. Before you do that how can you go against Koshi in this game if you are mafia?
I never said anything about going against Koshi?
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Also ritoky does still got a good chance of being Mafia so let's get rid of Mafia with the most votes.
##Unvote
##Vote: Ritoky
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On March 14 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys do you think a Doctor Roleblocker setup be a little to strong for a 9-3 setup?
nope
Cop/doctor/rb is fine for 9-3
mafia have 3:1 winrate in 9-3 games.
RBer is a pretty weak role.
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Hello Mafia
If rayn isn't one of you and he has a role he is 100% certain veteran. I realize you guys know this. But it seems like rayn doesn't get it yet. So could you please reply to this message and tell me you heard me loud and clear.
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On March 14 2015 01:38 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 14 2015 01:32 Damdred wrote:
You are super town marv and i'm disappointed that you got drawn into this crap tastic semantics debate. I was quite enjoying reading your reads.
Anyway I've realized for a good 36 hours i'm really biased and tunneled on Eden also by my own metrics that I enjoy using I should have Eden in the town category and I know this.
But literally I am having difficulty playing this game with this Eden, I posted concerns that I had about him to a neutral party at that moment in time who was town reading Eden (aka marv). I never directed my suspicions at the person who was saying that Eden didn't look so good, If I was just going along with thread sentiment at that time I would of went with Koshi to rile him up some as mafia instead of asking Marv if he saw what I saw. And instead of looking at it and going ok Damdred has a point even if I disagree makes this large case that really is a lot of non-points that do not go along with my scum game and tunnel on me for a cycle and a half basically and it is quite disconcerting especially when people say that what he is pointing out is not alignment indicative for the most part. But Eden does have glaring flaws in his play this game that I pointed out earlier and I don't feel like listing again at this point because I know i'm biased from anger and can't be objective at this point about him. However by the way I play the game I should have him as town meh.
I'll probably do another POE in a bit and put all of my reads into it and go from there more than likely. Before you do that how can you go against Koshi in this game if you are mafia? I never said anything about going against Koshi?
I will rephrase.
At any point in this game how can you go against Koshi?
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