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On March 14 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 00:54 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2015 00:52 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh Koshi why are you voting the Doctor? Your only ability is to stop Framers and NK. There isn't going to be a doc AND a rb in a mini. NEVER EVER Okay maybe I need to learn how to balance then. Okay we might actually got a Cop or some shit that aint a Doctor with me as a roleblocker. ##Unvote ##Vote: raynpelikoneet Hmm we are a bit low on the blue count indeed.
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rayn, don't let me stop you from explaining why Eden is mafia. But don't hammer on that little thingie after the start of D2.
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I have called you town like +10 times already in this thread. Or not lynchable. Calling you mafia once shouldn't be too bad.
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I base my ritoky townread on the these facts: - I know i am town, i was the opposing wagon to JAT - I don't think JAT would bus, i don't think JAT would give up because there was a lot of time left - Everyone was at least sorta scumreading (or null-reading) ritoky at that point - therefore he is the easiest wagon to push (besides Onegu, which is one of the reasons i think Onegu is mafia) - JAT pushes ritoky - JAT did not give up in my opinion, he was coasting by with me being on the chopping block. When i made my case on him, he got SHIT ACTIVE when suddenly HE is the one being (at least possibly) lynched.
The only reason i would think ritoky is mafia is if JAT just gave up. Which is clearly not the case here. Even more ridiculous is to say i am mafia with him. There are many things (besides the JAT lynch) that point towards me being town so fucking heavily. So Koshi, go read again. Or rather:
- Do you think i gave up? I don't give up as scum, or if i do i just antagonize marv. - Do you think there is a fucking world (after Noir) where i do not kill marv on N1?
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On March 14 2015 01:12 Koshi wrote: rayn, don't let me stop you from explaining why Eden is mafia. But don't hammer on that little thingie after the start of D2. He knew Palmar did not shoot rsoultin. Until he explains that, my vote stays.
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No I think ritoky is town.
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Anyway rayn, while/if you look at what I posted about ritoky. Let me talk to you about Eden, and you can tell me where I am wrong, if you think he is mafia.
1) He is significantly more active than his mafia games 2) he pushed jat early, from fairly near the start, in a mostly natural way, and again at a good time near the end 3) His attention is shifting constantly, seeing mafia in people, accusing them (contrast 1 total vote in his last mafia game day 1) 4) His frustration seems real and genuine - compare to his last mafia game where he folded immediately when under pressure 5) he looked like a headless sheep at the start of d2.
I don't think some slip that doesn't look like a slip makes up for these things. But I am willing for you to tell me differently.
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Void mafia, JAT busses SL and almost gets him lynched. Day two JAT busses HTS and hts gets lynched.
I think your point 2 is pretty meh, jats stated I think in void post game if he thinks he can get the town cred h will bus with abandon. I think that sorta invalidates the rest of that read
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On March 13 2015 07:07 Eden1892 wrote: yeah wait hold up a sec.
why was there 1 death? if mafia have rb they rb ray and shoot someone. if mafia don't have rb they shoot ray
wtf
On March 13 2015 07:09 Eden1892 wrote: something seriously isn't right here. if mafia has rb then maybe they don't shoot ray, but they rb him, which means unless mafia and vig both shot rso then there's a vet?
but then we have vig, vet, doc. i don't believe that for an instant
if palmar lied and there isn't a vig then we just have to have a doc who was rb'd, which... is sorta ok? but then why was rso shot This is actually pretty logical. It isn't a slip or anything.
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On March 14 2015 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I base my ritoky townread on the these facts: - I know i am town, i was the opposing wagon to JAT - I don't think JAT would bus, i don't think JAT would give up because there was a lot of time left - Everyone was at least sorta scumreading (or null-reading) ritoky at that point - therefore he is the easiest wagon to push (besides Onegu, which is one of the reasons i think Onegu is mafia) - JAT pushes ritoky - JAT did not give up in my opinion, he was coasting by with me being on the chopping block. When i made my case on him, he got SHIT ACTIVE when suddenly HE is the one being (at least possibly) lynched.
The only reason i would think ritoky is mafia is if JAT just gave up. Which is clearly not the case here. Even more ridiculous is to say i am mafia with him. There are many things (besides the JAT lynch) that point towards me being town so fucking heavily. So Koshi, go read again. Or rather:
- Do you think i gave up? I don't give up as scum, or if i do i just antagonize marv. - Do you think there is a fucking world (after Noir) where i do not kill marv on N1? Two things:
The entire first half is invalid. I explained why already. jat would vote town-rayn with marvellosity.
To the bold: do I need to go find a post you made somewhere not so long ago where you said you would not even shoot me n1? Because I know you made it. I just don't want to go have to find it.
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On March 14 2015 01:15 marvellosity wrote: Anyway rayn, while/if you look at what I posted about ritoky. Let me talk to you about Eden, and you can tell me where I am wrong, if you think he is mafia.
1) He is significantly more active than his mafia games 2) he pushed jat early, from fairly near the start, in a mostly natural way, and again at a good time near the end 3) His attention is shifting constantly, seeing mafia in people, accusing them (contrast 1 total vote in his last mafia game day 1) 4) His frustration seems real and genuine - compare to his last mafia game where he folded immediately when under pressure 5) he looked like a headless sheep at the start of d2.
I don't think some slip that doesn't look like a slip makes up for these things. But I am willing for you to tell me differently.
#3 I think is pretty false since hes just kinda tunneled on me since I brought up some things I noticed to you d1.
#2 I think is incorrect since he was pushing Ritoky or me near eod?
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On March 14 2015 01:15 Damdred wrote: Void mafia, JAT busses SL and almost gets him lynched. Day two JAT busses HTS and hts gets lynched.
I think your point 2 is pretty meh, jats stated I think in void post game if he thinks he can get the town cred h will bus with abandon. I think that sorta invalidates the rest of that read ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Damdred. Please vote rayn. He is calling you mafia btw.
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On March 14 2015 01:17 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 01:15 marvellosity wrote: Anyway rayn, while/if you look at what I posted about ritoky. Let me talk to you about Eden, and you can tell me where I am wrong, if you think he is mafia.
1) He is significantly more active than his mafia games 2) he pushed jat early, from fairly near the start, in a mostly natural way, and again at a good time near the end 3) His attention is shifting constantly, seeing mafia in people, accusing them (contrast 1 total vote in his last mafia game day 1) 4) His frustration seems real and genuine - compare to his last mafia game where he folded immediately when under pressure 5) he looked like a headless sheep at the start of d2.
I don't think some slip that doesn't look like a slip makes up for these things. But I am willing for you to tell me differently. #3 I think is pretty false since hes just kinda tunneled on me since I brought up some things I noticed to you d1. #2 I think is incorrect since he was pushing Ritoky or me near eod?
Granted I admit i'm really biased this game
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I think we should just all agree that I have been megatown the last few hours and call it a day.
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On March 14 2015 01:20 marvellosity wrote: I think we should just all agree that I have been megatown the last few hours and call it a day. Why is your vote on town ritoky?
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Ray explain how that's a slip wtf are you doing
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On March 14 2015 01:15 marvellosity wrote: Anyway rayn, while/if you look at what I posted about ritoky. Let me talk to you about Eden, and you can tell me where I am wrong, if you think he is mafia.
1) He is significantly more active than his mafia games 2) he pushed jat early, from fairly near the start, in a mostly natural way, and again at a good time near the end 3) His attention is shifting constantly, seeing mafia in people, accusing them (contrast 1 total vote in his last mafia game day 1) 4) His frustration seems real and genuine - compare to his last mafia game where he folded immediately when under pressure 5) he looked like a headless sheep at the start of d2.
I don't think some slip that doesn't look like a slip makes up for these things. But I am willing for you to tell me differently. Sorry i'll go look at your ritoky post after answering this. Just tell Koshi to stop.
I don't know anything about Eden's meta. There is not a game (until recently) where i have closely read his posts because from my experience he tends to be like Palmar but worse (trolly as either alignment -- but when he posts i don't get much out of it). What i CAN say about your points is: 1) see above 2) Eden busses, he bussed SL in the PM game from the start. 3) Based on that game (where i actually read her posts after Koshi told me to) i agree 4) yes this is something i noticed aswell -- it is a good point 5) everyone was a headless sheep at the D2 start from what i read. Nobody had any fucking clue what was going on. That's why Eden's first post stood out, it looked like he knew what was going on.
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On March 14 2015 01:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 01:20 marvellosity wrote: I think we should just all agree that I have been megatown the last few hours and call it a day. Why is your vote on town ritoky? Because I am not playing this sort of the game at the moment.
I think there is an excellent chance ritoky is mafia based on what I posted, and I also see and understand what Palmar was saying about over-trolliness.
Yes rayn is making not very good arguments right now. And he is the person I keep voting. And maybe I will again. But i let this flesh out
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On March 14 2015 01:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I base my ritoky townread on the these facts: - I know i am town, i was the opposing wagon to JAT - I don't think JAT would bus, i don't think JAT would give up because there was a lot of time left - Everyone was at least sorta scumreading (or null-reading) ritoky at that point - therefore he is the easiest wagon to push (besides Onegu, which is one of the reasons i think Onegu is mafia) - JAT pushes ritoky - JAT did not give up in my opinion, he was coasting by with me being on the chopping block. When i made my case on him, he got SHIT ACTIVE when suddenly HE is the one being (at least possibly) lynched.
The only reason i would think ritoky is mafia is if JAT just gave up. Which is clearly not the case here. Even more ridiculous is to say i am mafia with him. There are many things (besides the JAT lynch) that point towards me being town so fucking heavily. So Koshi, go read again. Or rather:
- Do you think i gave up? I don't give up as scum, or if i do i just antagonize marv. - Do you think there is a fucking world (after Noir) where i do not kill marv on N1? Two things: The entire first half is invalid. I explained why already. jat would vote town-rayn with marvellosity. To the bold: do I need to go find a post you made somewhere not so long ago where you said you would not even shoot me n1? Because I know you made it. I just don't want to go have to find it. If you want to please do. Not in this game, ever would i shoot anyone but you.
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