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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 02 2015 00:48 GMT
#38
Hey, I play Protoss, that's insulting.....

I'm liking a Palmar lynch right now.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 02 2015 02:41 GMT
#52
On March 02 2015 11:06 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 10:59 Damdred wrote:
Because he said so silly goose.

I do think ritoky is town do far though


Lol, that's a different way to read Onegu's post xP May want to try again.

More seriously, I don't think I'd be trying to lynch any of the players right now :/ Maybe Truffle for lawlz. Yeah, Truffle for lawlz ^^
!!!

(whimpers on the floor, begging for mercy)

I agree with Damdred, Snickers feels most suspicious thus far.
On March 02 2015 09:27 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm surprised this thread is necessary

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are we not lynching kelsier.

Also ff knows about this.
Reasoning is because there is almost no town incentive to ask for a lynch on a player who is physically incapable of posting. Especially this early into Day 1. While I can see it as a joke, I'm a bit suspicious.

I don't think that Palmar's opening is much more likely to come from mafia than town, but he still deserves a small hill to climb for it. And I am a tad surprised at someone complaining about nonsense three posts into the thread, while I actually found ritoky's posting to be (only slightly) more useful than the nonsense posting in the earlier game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 02 2015 03:03 GMT
#60
On March 02 2015 11:47 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 11:41 Trfel wrote:
On March 02 2015 11:06 rsoultin wrote:
On March 02 2015 10:59 Damdred wrote:
Because he said so silly goose.

I do think ritoky is town do far though


Lol, that's a different way to read Onegu's post xP May want to try again.

More seriously, I don't think I'd be trying to lynch any of the players right now :/ Maybe Truffle for lawlz. Yeah, Truffle for lawlz ^^
!!!

(whimpers on the floor, begging for mercy)

I agree with Damdred, Snickers feels most suspicious thus far.
On March 02 2015 09:27 Snickers wrote:
On March 02 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm surprised this thread is necessary

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are we not lynching kelsier.

Also ff knows about this.
Reasoning is because there is almost no town incentive to ask for a lynch on a player who is physically incapable of posting. Especially this early into Day 1. While I can see it as a joke, I'm a bit suspicious.

I don't think that Palmar's opening is much more likely to come from mafia than town, but he still deserves a small hill to climb for it. And I am a tad surprised at someone complaining about nonsense three posts into the thread, while I actually found ritoky's posting to be (only slightly) more useful than the nonsense posting in the earlier game.


Firstly, I think the bolded is a double negative so I have no idea what you're trying to say; it seems to me like you think he is more town now?

If so, how did you get from here:

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 09:48 Trfel wrote:
Hey, I play Protoss, that's insulting.....

I'm liking a Palmar lynch right now.


to where you are now with 0 posts from palmar in between?

Also, what the hell is a hill to climb?
I don't find his statements particularly alignment indicative? Probably slightly more likely to be scum than town, but not that significant.

I like a Palmar lynch right now not because I think he is scum, but because he deserves it. Hence the "hill to climb", ie forcing a little bit of effort to make up for giving him a pass for his scum claim. And it's fun to do.

But he'd probably burn me alive if I voted for him while not calling him scum, and I'm not really eager to get wagoned on Day 1 after my experience last game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:27 GMT
#223
On March 03 2015 12:23 Snickers wrote:
How does a townie act like this...... I am confused. How does a scum act like this...
That's exactly what I'm wondering about you.

I'm about halfway through the thread, feel free to ask questions, I'll get through eventually.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:32 GMT
#228
On March 03 2015 12:31 Snickers wrote:
How about you give me an example answer that is an alignment tell because I am prty sure its a shitty question.

Omg snickers you are not anwsering every question thrown at you no matter the purpose or thought behind it.

Scum!
No, the question has a very good point behind it. Please answer it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:37 GMT
#231
On March 03 2015 12:33 Snickers wrote:
How about stop trying to look townie by interjecting yourself.
I'm not trying to look townie. I'm asking a question because I want to know the answer. I could be scum and trying to look useful, that is a possibility.

But I want you to answer the question because I have reasons for asking, and the answer would be useful. I cannot explain this to you now, because that ruins the point of making you answer.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:43 GMT
#234
On March 03 2015 12:41 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 12:32 Trfel wrote:
On March 03 2015 12:31 Snickers wrote:
How about you give me an example answer that is an alignment tell because I am prty sure its a shitty question.

Omg snickers you are not anwsering every question thrown at you no matter the purpose or thought behind it.

Scum!
No, the question has a very good point behind it. Please answer it.


Why are you not saying what you just said a little bit ago.
What? I've made maybe three posts in the last while, and they have all had the same point of asking you to answer a simple question.

Since you aren't going to answer, fine, I'll back off. I'm just having a lot of trouble understanding your behavior.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:49 GMT
#238
On March 03 2015 12:44 Snickers wrote:
Like I am clueless how the hell people worry about that post lol.

So it doesnt tell me anything.

On March 02 2015 11:41 Trfel wrote:
I agree with Damdred, Snickers feels most suspicious thus far.
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 09:27 Snickers wrote:
On March 02 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm surprised this thread is necessary

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are we not lynching kelsier.

Also ff knows about this.
Reasoning is because there is almost no town incentive to ask for a lynch on a player who is physically incapable of posting. Especially this early into Day 1. While I can see it as a joke, I'm a bit suspicious.
Mafia wants to survive, town doesn't. While town sometimes needs to lynch inactives, it's just a guess at whether or not they are scum. Especially at the start of the day, pushing for a lynch on a banned player is one of the very worst things for town, as you can't even pressure them back into the thread. The mafia motivation for doing so is to survive (presuming that the banned player is in fact town) and to appear to do something, and this is much more convincing than the town motivation.

You said it wasn't a joke. Do you have any explanation for this?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 03:55 GMT
#241
On March 03 2015 12:52 Snickers wrote:
Yea but I have to break a minor rule to explain myself. (if you are catching my drift)

And I am prty sure town wants to survive too.

But why are people wasting posts on this lol.

I have said several insights that everyone ignores.
Surviving by pushing a mislynch isn't surviving. That just pushes town closer to losing the game.

I have been far busier than I expected, which means that I have a very large number of posts still to use. If you would like to stop talking about this, I understand. I won't press you any further.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 04:13 GMT
#252
Does anyone have some descriptions of Snickers' meta?

And I don't really feel like looking through past games to find it, maybe I'll do that tomorrow, but not today.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 04:22 GMT
#257
On March 03 2015 13:20 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 13:13 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone have some descriptions of Snickers' meta?

And I don't really feel like looking through past games to find it, maybe I'll do that tomorrow, but not today.


Lol I posted my meta in the fucking thread but it seems like people dont feel like reading.
And I'm supposed to trust what you say about your own meta?

My meta is that I'm town, every game. That means I'm town this game. I always tell the truth, because I'm always town, so that means I'm town.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 04:25 GMT
#260
On March 03 2015 13:23 Snickers wrote:
I posted the only game I have ever been scum. Dont be silly.

But I will tell you something I dont do as either alignment.

Shit up the thread and assume a ton of shit.

Who is doing that this game?
I'm going to ignore you for a while, I can't stand you at all.

I don't know if this is scum or bad play, but it's very frustrating.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 04:53 GMT
#264
On March 03 2015 05:03 Snickers wrote:
Rsoultin is town
Can you please explain this post?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 05:15 GMT
#270
Time for a terrible list post! (and no, these are not all of my reads/thoughts, there is some reasoning behind what I choose to share)

I'm actually leaning town on Palmar. It's hard for me to explain why, but in addition to providing some (extremely interesting) dialogue, he also provided some reasonable reads. At any rate, I don't want to lynch Palmar today.

Rsoultin is probably town. I find it a bit suspicious how she dismissed her initial post on Palmar (which to me seemed to be a light scum read), and how she complained multiple times about the thread being nonsense (while I found it much more readable than last game, though since then it has gotten worse). Still, her filter seems townie overall.

Prphlz has been rather defensive of his own play, and seems to be focusing more on explaining why he isn't doing much than finding scum. Looks suspicious to me.

I agree that Alakaslam's filter is boring, and that that is probably a reasonable way to read him. However, I am a bit concerned that it is too early in the game to read him in this way? Still, he isn't a bad lynch.

Then we have Snickers. Most of his posts are useless spam, many of his posts convey motives that are bad for town. The hypocrisy, lack of original reads/reasoning, and he keeps promising reads/insights but not providing them. And he has shown several times that he isn't reading the thread very carefully. I don't like it at all, and currently I feel that Snickers is the best lynch.

Of course, the other thing that must be mentioned about Snickers is that Robik says he is a power role. I don't understand this at all. But Snickers looks scummy, and I want to lynch him. Additional explanations will follow.

##vote Snickers

Is that enough of an apology?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 05:24 GMT
#273
On March 03 2015 14:19 rsoultin wrote:
TRUFFLE

VOTE SLAM WITH ME IF YOU'RE TOWN

if not, please carry on and be dumb xP snickers obviously isn't the best lynch today
Why are you so confident that Alakaslam is scum? I still am not sure if he has had enough time to allow us to read him by amount of original direction.

If I recall correctly, you weren't convinced that Alakaslam was scum last game, despite a somewhat similar lack of original direction to what he has shown in this game. Why the scumread this game and not so much last game, while this game is not as far along?

I agree that Alakaslam looks rather suspicious, and I wouldn't mind lynching him, but I feel that there is a better lynch out there.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 05:33 GMT
#276
On March 03 2015 14:29 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 14:24 Trfel wrote:
On March 03 2015 14:19 rsoultin wrote:
TRUFFLE

VOTE SLAM WITH ME IF YOU'RE TOWN

if not, please carry on and be dumb xP snickers obviously isn't the best lynch today
Why are you so confident that Alakaslam is scum? I still am not sure if he has had enough time to allow us to read him by amount of original direction.

If I recall correctly, you weren't convinced that Alakaslam was scum last game, despite a somewhat similar lack of original direction to what he has shown in this game. Why the scumread this game and not so much last game, while this game is not as far along?

I agree that Alakaslam looks rather suspicious, and I wouldn't mind lynching him, but I feel that there is a better lynch out there.


Last game was my first true encounter with a scum Slam. He was scum in my first game on TL, but AFK'd due to IRL reasons after just a few posts...

I am 100% positive that he's had enough time to be original and 100% positive that the poisonous way this game started out is precisely the environment he'd feel the need to be original in. This game more mirrors last game than my town games with him. And frankly, most of the other lynches being pushed are people I don't know how to read yet, cause let's face it...some people just read scummy.
It just feels like really dangerous meta to me. I get the impression that Alakaslam's play varies based on available time, is this correct? (sort of like how Palmar plays sometimes, and at other times does absolutely nothing) If my impression is correct, you can understand how I'm not so eager to lynch Alakaslam right now. And a thread of unreadable mess feels like that would make Alakaslam less likely to post and care about it?

In addition, I don't see how I can be convinced that Alakaslam is mafia like you are, it seems to require more knowledge of his meta than I have available. And again, with a player like Alakaslam with such varying play, it feels like the meta would be more unreliable.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 05:53 GMT
#280
Snickers

Snickers' reads seem to be made without original thought
On March 02 2015 09:27 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 07:35 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm surprised this thread is necessary

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are we not lynching kelsier.

Also ff knows about this.
A policy lynch of the worst kind. It's not a pressure lynch in the slightest (at the time there was no replacement), it's right at the start of Day 1, and it avoids making any kind of actual read. Mafia wants to sit back and lynch inactives without providing actual reads, town wants to solve the game. Snickers also stood by this read (after the replacement), while continuously refusing to explain why he made this statement in the first place.
On March 03 2015 05:59 Snickers wrote:
Town:
Robik
Rsoultin
Superbia
Slam
Ritoky

Post More:
Onegu
Oats

Scum:
Snickers
Damdred
prplhz
Trefel

Palmar:
Palmar

MM: Lynch him

Snickers<chupazi<reason
This list post provides no explanation at all. His reads seem to scumread those who scumread him, townread those with larger thread presences, and mirror other players' reads. He has a "Post more" category, but people with terribly few posts (such as myself and Superbia) weren't in it. I don't get the impression that Snickers is providing original thought. I also note that he requests a full filter review from Damdred while not providing any explanation for his own reads. Hm.
On March 03 2015 08:20 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 08:16 Damdred wrote:
Meat is a category all of himself, the total mislynch category even as mafia. Its troubling and rough but it is what it is.

I think I agree though, prp, slam, trfel and snickers would be my top lynches for today.


There is a lot wrong with this post.
On March 03 2015 08:31 Snickers wrote:
I was talking about the second part
These posts show that Snickers just scumreads everyone who is suspicious of him. There is no explanation or thought to these comments.
Snickers seems to be drawing attention to himself to compensate for not providing reads, and is concerned about how towny he appears

On March 02 2015 12:48 Snickers wrote:
I am being ignored.
Snickers said this after only providing the comment about lynching KelsierSC. He tried to draw attention to himself, as if his attempt to policy lynch an inactive was any more than that. I find it ironic that since then, when people have talked about this push, he has refused to answer the questions.
On March 03 2015 12:12 Snickers wrote:
umm if you guys want a well deserved break/laugh from this intense scum hunting by all of us except three.

Look at purple's filter and find what is really off with it.
Because Snickers has been providing so much intense scum hunting.

Snickers has also accused people of not reading the thread multiple times, and his argument with prphlz and me feels somewhat condescending. I get the impression that Snickers is trying to make himself seem superior to us and look better than us, while there is no town motivation to do so.
On March 03 2015 14:03 Snickers wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:57 Snickers wrote:
Resoltin make a list of every player, reads, and who you would lynch


Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 05:00 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 03 2015 04:53 rsoultin wrote:
you my friend are very uninteresting this game and voting a townread of mine. you should be thriving in the nonsense poison it's a gut read but I'm fine with it

And how do you townread Ritoky

He is SCUMREAD of palmar

Palmar is practicing greater CHUPAZI this game than ever before CHUPAZI had been done


One of the only players playing the game, and I can follow his line of thinking. If I wanted CHUPAZI I'd channel blazinghand and just RNG a lynch.

On March 03 2015 04:57 Snickers wrote:
Resoltin make a list of every player, reads, and who you would lynch


You first, useless. I've been giving reads and thoughts all game.



Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 12:52 Snickers wrote:
Yea but I have to break a minor rule to explain myself. (if you are catching my drift)

And I am prty sure town wants to survive too.

But why are people wasting posts on this lol.

I have said several insights that everyone ignores.


Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 13:10 Snickers wrote:
since you cant tell what is bold or not

bold starts two lines down

He also does that mafia thing (which ritoky is so keen to point out usually) or just responding to peoples' questions line for line, question after question as if it's a homework assignment.


bold ended two lines ups

And that is weird to bring up your not getting lynched.


Scum answer questions all the time.

Rsoultin tells me to take a hike which is the right townie response.

I wasnt answer your question cause

a.its shit

b.towns dont answer every question

So you guys can leave me alone now right.

And stop pesting me.

Calling me bm and shit.

I showed you proof.

And I answered the question lol after you guys shit a brick over it lol.

Step yo game up.
So, Snickers isn't going to answer questions because that's a scum thing to do, and townies don't answer questions. Not for any reason other than trying to look townie.

In conclusion, I feel that while much of Snickers' filter is not alignment indicative, he has avoided providing reads while doing his best to make it seem like he has. As a result, I find him very suspicious.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 17:56 GMT
#288
No one supports me in my push on Snickers, but no one is saying why it is bad.

Palmar left an unexplained vote on prphlz which never made it to the voting thread, but says he will policy vote all unexplained votes. Or is the reason that prphlz placed an unexplained vote earlier in the game?

I don't understand this game at all.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 18:20 GMT
#293
On March 04 2015 03:14 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 02:56 Trfel wrote:
No one supports me in my push on Snickers, but no one is saying why it is bad.

Palmar left an unexplained vote on prphlz which never made it to the voting thread, but says he will policy vote all unexplained votes. Or is the reason that prphlz placed an unexplained vote earlier in the game?

I don't understand this game at all.

SNICKERS IS A FUCKING POWER ROLE. ARE YOU DONE?
I'm not done, because I see no reason whatsoever to believe this.

If it's something he breadcrumbed, I still don't see why that is a good reason to not lynch him. Scum can breadcrumb a role too, it's not a commitment of any strength.
On March 04 2015 02:59 rsoultin wrote:
Your push on Snickers just isn't alignment indicative, Truffle. I can go point-by-point if you like but nothing I saw there makes Snickers scum. Refusing to answer a question, for instance. I tunneled on bats for being a contrary boob (and a couple other more valid reasons but lol still wrong) in my first game here. It doesn't make someone scum.
I think that Snickers is scum for reasons that are alignment indicative. Not answering a question is not alignment indicative. However, suggesting to lynch someone only because they are banned is. Constantly drawing attention to himself while not scumhunting is alignment indicative. Not answering a question because that is apparently a townie thing to do is alignment indicative.

Side note, it's not my birthday, I just chose my TL birthday randomly. Thanks for the birthday wishes anyway, though.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 18:26 GMT
#295
If it's so obvious that everyone knows, then the mafia knows already. Can someone please clue me in or explain why that is a bad idea?

I see a player who is providing minimal reads and is acting very scummy. And I'm supposed to ignore this player indefinitely because someone else said so, whose alignment is by no means confirmed.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 18:37 GMT
#301
And why am I supposed to scumhunt for a town that accuses me of being useless while not explaining anything and not scumhunting themselves?

Alakaslam could be scum. Prplhz could be scum. I feel no reason to do any more scumhunting until someone else decides to do so, or at least explain to me why they disagree with my reads.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 18:39 GMT
#303
And if anyone would like some meta on Snickers, take a look at his recent town game here. The difference between Snickers in this game and his last town game is very pronounced.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 18:54 GMT
#308
Read his filter this game. Excuses, whining, ridiculous amounts of sheeping.

Read his town game. He was providing reads and leading town.

Read his detective game. He still provided far more reads than he provided in this game.

Read his scum game.

Then tell me what his filter in this game looks closest to. Don't take my word for it, do it yourself.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 19:00 GMT
#313
Thank you for answering.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 03 2015 19:07 GMT
#315
On March 04 2015 03:37 Trfel wrote:
(...)
Alakaslam could be scum. Prplhz could be scum.(...)
From this very page.
On March 04 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:
##unvote
##vote Alakaslam
From the voting thread.

I see you are paying attention.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 04 2015 02:12 GMT
#434
Sorry Superbia, playing intentionally for modkills is against the rules.

Can someone please explain why they read Snickers as town, excluding the whole power role thing?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 04 2015 17:45 GMT
#472
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 04 2015 17:50 GMT
#473
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 04 2015 18:19 GMT
#475
On March 05 2015 03:14 IAmRobik wrote:
The night kill tonight is gonna be super fucking interesting
Mafia should just no shoot XD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 04 2015 19:46 GMT
#481
Ah, right. Recipes.

Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich

Ingredients

2 slices of bread
1 jar of peanut butter
1 jar of strawberry jelly

Directions

1. Preheat oven to 350 degrees
2. Place jar of strawberry jelly in microwave
3. Place one slice of bread in blender
5. Place second slice of bread on counter
6. Place jar of peanut butter on top of bread
7. Remove jar of strawberry jelly from microwave and place it on top of jar of peanut butter
8. Remove second slice of bread from blender and place on top of jar of strawberry jelly
9. Place yourself inside oven and eat sandwich

Enjoy!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 04 2015 21:32 GMT
#485
Snickers, do you have any reads to share?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 04 2015 22:01 GMT
#487
How much support is there for a Day 2 Snickers lynch?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 04 2015 22:50 GMT
#489
If Snickers is mafia, there will be a nice long chat after the game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 04 2015 22:58 GMT
#493
On March 05 2015 07:53 Palmar wrote:
Like I have very little clue atm, mostly because I've been super demotivated to read. I'm trying to get my serious hat on but I kinda hope the mafia will just shoot me.

If mafia decides not to shoot me, I guess I'll do stuff.
That would be much appreciated, Palmar.
Trfel
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March 04 2015 22:59 GMT
#494
I want Snickers dead so badly.....
Trfel
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March 04 2015 23:00 GMT
#497
On March 05 2015 07:59 Palmar wrote:
I'm still mad my super case got owned by the game reset. I was super motivated to write that.
I think everyone lost their motivation when we had to restart the game.
Trfel
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March 04 2015 23:00 GMT
#498
By the way, I'm the vigilante.

Thanks to rsoultin and ritoky for the read.

Superbia, screw you.
Trfel
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March 04 2015 23:24 GMT
#504
Rsoultin is 100% town.

Rsoultin was the one who first drew suspicion to Alakaslam, and pushed the lynch consistently throughout the day. You don't do that as a bus. You might bus your teammate on Day 1, but you would never start the push on them or be so forceful in doing so, unless of course that player asked to be bused (in which case rsoultin would not have switched).
Trfel
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March 04 2015 23:27 GMT
#508
I need to leave now, I'm sorry. Thanks for the analysis.

Office Mini Mafia (with Snickers) just finished, so I'll take a look at Snickers' play.

I'm still suspicious of him, but I seem to be the only one who really is, so hopefully I'll figure this out eventually.

Robik could be scum, I don't know either way on him right now.
Trfel
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March 05 2015 02:02 GMT
#551
Damdred, I do apologize for not shooting Snickers. I wanted to shoot Snickers way more than Alakaslam. But in the end, I felt that shooting Alakaslam was a much higher winning percentage (even if much more annoying).

I don't know Snickers' alignment for certain at the moment, but I'm still suspicious of him (unfortunately, as I am for many people in this town).

I'll be back in a while to go over the thread. But seriously, it would be nice to cut some of the drivel and make this thread not torture to read. Please?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
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March 05 2015 02:55 GMT
#558
Snickers do something useful
Trfel
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March 05 2015 03:09 GMT
#563
To all, but specifically Superbia and rsoultin (since they asked), my reads are out of date, since I haven't had a chance to really look at things after the flips. So I'm not really in a place to provide good reads or questions, sorry. I probably won't be able to catch up until tomorrow, though.
Trfel
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March 05 2015 03:30 GMT
#572
Does anyone else wonder if we're dealing with the exact same scum team?
Trfel
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March 05 2015 20:01 GMT
#715
Anyone want to lynch Superbia?
Trfel
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March 05 2015 21:02 GMT
#726
Darn it ritoky, you beat me to it.
Trfel
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March 05 2015 21:04 GMT
#728
On March 06 2015 06:03 Superbia wrote:
Literally no one is taking the vote into context. I've given my thought process and basically everyone who is scumreading me is basically ignoring it. Literally the entire case on me is "you've voted for town over scum, so you're scum". I don't have perfect information as town. I can be wrong.

Literally the dumbest shit ever.
Be patient.
Trfel
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March 05 2015 21:12 GMT
#734
On March 06 2015 06:06 Superbia wrote:
I lost my patience a few pages ago. I've been done with this game the moment I looked at the next 2 pages after I spewed the sickest logic ever and realized essentially everyone was ignoring it and scumreading me for voting wrong.
Superbia, there is one big hole in your logic. And that hole is you.

Alakaslam was scum, and he didn't do much about his own plight. We can primarily blame this on him being busy, and some people having a good read on him.

It is possible that both other mafia had little ability/will to make a counterwagon. Someone who was away until a half hour before end of day (aka you) would make sense for mafia coming so close to dying on Day 1, with the only counterwagon being led by flipped town. Therefore, if you are mafia, there is no reason to believe that the Alakaslam wagon was a bus, so that isn't a reason to townread you.

With the rest of your play in mind, I see you as reasonably likely to be scum. I will take a closer look at other filters, and I'm not saying that I want to lynch you 100%, but currently I find you to be the most suspicious, and worthy of a small case.
Trfel
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March 05 2015 21:28 GMT
#740
Superbia
  • Superbia's actions at End of Day appear mafia-motivated
    + Show Spoiler +
    On March 04 2015 07:47 Superbia wrote:
    prp looks like an okay-ish lynch. Ritoky looks a little better imo. Asks regarding prp's meta early on, seemingly questioning his alignment, but completely falls off. Doesn't want to vote him over slam, even though his vote on slam has a very weak reason.
    Here, Superbia mentions that the prphlz lynch is okay.
    On March 04 2015 07:57 Superbia wrote:
    Voted for prp. I feel the townier people are on prp. 50% of people on slam are all decently scummy.
    Superbia votes for prphlz, with his main reason being that the prphlz wagon was full of town, while the Alakaslam votes were much more suspicious. It seems like Superbia is trying to distance himself from the lynch. However, at End of Day Superbia is very forceful about lynching prphlz instead of Alakaslam:
    On March 04 2015 07:58 Superbia wrote:
    Vote for prp or claim scum. Pick one.

    Basically, Superbia came into the thread, tried to get a vote switch to (in my opinion at the time, probably town) ritoky. And this vote switch was pretty hopeless with less than fifteen minutes to End of Day and ritoky only had one vote. So, Superbia still hasn't voted. He sees Palmar hard pushing prphlz, and sees rsoultin wavering. Superbia votes for prphlz, while distancing himself from this vote, and then hard pushes the prphlz lynch. Very mafia-motivated play.

  • Superbia's reads are full of contradictions and inconsistencies
    + Show Spoiler +
    Superbia's play relied on sheeping Palmar. He did so with the push on prphlz, with Palmar's scum list after the flip, and in this post, where he tells town to sheep Palmar:
    On March 04 2015 08:10 Superbia wrote:
    Just sheep Palmar for the rest of the game if I die. Ride or die ssons.
    However, Superbia never directly provided a read on Palmar. In addition, he says that all of his reads are rather weak:
    On March 04 2015 07:51 Superbia wrote:
    Meh. I guess. I don't really have a solid read on anyone but Snickers. Snickers is town.

    Also RSO probably mafia for OGI reasons.
    So his sheeping of Palmar and telling everyone else to do so makes no sense. Palmar's play was not very impressive in this game, and it wasn't terribly alignment indicative, either.

    Superbia is also extremely confident that Alakaslam is town.
    On March 04 2015 08:08 Superbia wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On March 04 2015 07:59 Palmar wrote:
    When prplhz flips town (this is a crapshoot lynch) rsoultin, robik ritoky are mafia. I used the alphabet to determine this.


    Pretty much.

    I honestly think this game is pretty near solved, tbh. I don't think slam is ever mafia here. I think RSO is probably mafia from that vote. I think there's 2/3 in that list, probably 1 in MM/Onegu/Lurker or some shit.
    But Superbia never provided a read on Alakaslam before this. If he is confident in Alakaslam being town, wouldn't that have helped him decide his vote sooner than four minutes before End of Day? And wouldn't that have been mentioned in his post where he explained his vote? The only town explanation for this is that Superbia figured out Alakaslam's alignment using something that happened between his vote and the time of this post, right after the flip. Prphlz flipping town makes Alakaslam look worse, if anything, so that leaves rsoultin's vote switch. The argument that Superbia is using is that rsoultin's vote switch from Alakaslam to prphlz shows that both of them are scum. I will discuss this argument next, but other than this argument, Superbia's sudden town read on Alakaslam is absolutely senseless.

    Superbia's reasoning for rsoultin being scum is as follows. Mafia!rsoultin led a lynch on town!Alakaslam and then switched to town!prphlz at the last second. The reason for this switch would be to avoid the blame for the mislynch, having pushed the other wagon, and then push the original wagon for a mislynch the next day. The first part of this reason is nonsense, as switching votes to hammer a town player always leaves you to blame for the mislynch, even if you were supporting the other wagon all the time. The second part of this reason is also nonsense, as scum could simply push the unlynched wagon for a mislynch the next day as well. Note that Superbia was very supportive of the vote switch that rsoultin did ("Vote for prphlz or claim scum"), but immediately scumread her for doing so.
    On March 04 2015 13:02 Superbia wrote:
    Like here's what you're believing:

    - Mafia slam did not vote to save himself.
    EITHER:
    - Mafia was willing to bus slam d1.
    - OR mafia switched to prp wagon to save slam.

    The first makes zero sense because the scumreads on Slam were weak as fuck. Like Ritoky had essentially 0 reads. His reason for voting slam was "because he looked as his filter and was like 'is this all?'". REALLY??
    The second doesn't line up with a mafia agenda because why the fuck would slam leave it to his mafia partners to save him when he could've done that himself by voting on prp. Literally the dumbest thing ever which reveals intermafia connections. NOT ONLY THAT. Most of the votes on slam were incredibly town. You were asked to point out two of the mafia on prp. You pointed out me and MM. You completely neglected Snickers for no good reason. Just checked your filter. You were very iffy on snickers earlier during the day. That completely evaporated after trfl tried to push on him for absolutely. Moreover, the fact that there was no doubt from you on robik or snickers, people voting on prp and off slam (mafia in your world) is ridiculous.

    Vigi, I've done your work. Easy hit.
    This is a very interesting post. Superbia says that the reasoning for scumreading Alakaslam was weak. He didn't say this earlier, before the lynch. Then, he says that most of the votes on Alakaslam were incredibly town. Remember earlier when he referenced questionable votes on the Alakaslam wagon as a reason for voting for prphlz? Superbia is saying that the Alakaslam wagon was based on horrible reasons, and pushed by a mafia player, while having half of the people on it being decently scummy (and overall scummier than the prphlz wagon), but still with most of the people on the wagon being incredibly town.

  • Superbia's play since End of Day was extremely defensive (while avoiding mentioning himself)
    + Show Spoiler +
    If Superbia is mafia, he knew that Alakaslam getting hit by a vigilante would be extremely bad for him. Remember that he told the vigilante to shoot rsoultin. Then a few posts later, he added that the cop should be on ritoky. This almost feels like he was trying to throw off the vigilante, and then added the cop comment as a tag-along to avoid it looking suspicious.

    Superbia has stated very clearly that he thinks that Alakaslam was bussed. I don't need to provide quotes of this. But he is basically defending his own vote without saying that he is defending himself.

    On March 05 2015 12:20 Superbia wrote:
    It's fine trfl, you're town. You should direct and shit if you want to. Let the questionable people talk more, however.
    This sentence seems fine at first, but then I remembered that I said this:
    On March 05 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote:
    By the way, I'm the vigilante.

    Thanks to rsoultin and ritoky for the read.

    Superbia, screw you.
    Maybe there is a reason that Superbia wants to keep me from sharing reads a lot? And maybe it's because was suspicious of him?

    In addition, Superbia frequently apologizes for his play. I don't think I need to provide quotes of this either, but it feels more suspicious to me.
In conclusion, I'm not certain of Superbia's being scum, but I do feel that it is fairly likely. It would be much appreciated if someone (particularly Superbia) would show me where I am wrong in this assessment.
Trfel
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March 05 2015 21:44 GMT
#742
I'd really like thoughts on this. While I do find it fairly likely that Superbia is scum, I really could see him being town here. And a Superbia mislynch would leave us in a fair amount of trouble.

I'll try to take a look at some other people later tonight, and I would encourage others to do the same.
Trfel
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March 06 2015 21:01 GMT
#811
Hm.... Robik or Superbia.....

Decisions, decisions........

I need to leave about an hour before End of Day. I'll be here on and off until then. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
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March 06 2015 21:09 GMT
#815
Robik, you were town in VII Titanic, right? Is that a fair game for me to read your filter for meta comparison?
Trfel
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March 06 2015 21:28 GMT
#821
I prefer lynching Superbia to Robik.

Reasons for this is that we have cases on Superbia, and I don't see that much to scumread Robik for. Some of the reasons, he's already answered, and his answers seem acceptable.

Granted, I don't have good tone reads at all, and I don't have any real meta on Robik to be able to tell if his caps lock spree was genuine or not.

My vote stays on Superbia for now, I'll check back in maybe a half hour to see if anything has changed.
Trfel
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March 06 2015 22:07 GMT
#825
On March 07 2015 07:01 ritoky wrote:
truffle, I am not as convinced on superbia as I was before...and I am really not a fan of a robik lynch right now...

I really want to shennanie onto mm1 or onegu, but I don't want robik to get lynched as a consequence.
I can see Superbia's play coming from town, but I don't want to lynch Robik.

I could see a MysteryMeat1 or Onegu lynch, but they're just lurkers. Same with Oatsmaster.

I think I'd rather just lynch Superbia.
Trfel
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March 06 2015 22:07 GMT
#826
I need to leave in like a minute, if you want me to change my vote tell me ASAP.
Trfel
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March 06 2015 22:11 GMT
#827
Sorry, gotta run.

Superbia, if you are town, my apologies.
Trfel
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March 07 2015 01:07 GMT
#881
So one more lynch before LYLO....
Trfel
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March 07 2015 04:56 GMT
#910
Snickers, there was a significant difference in your play between Day 1 and Day 2. Why is this?
Trfel
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March 07 2015 05:01 GMT
#912
Day 1 your play seemed entirely trolling. Now, you seem to be actively scumhunting and attempting to solve the game. At least, that's how I read it.
Trfel
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March 07 2015 05:04 GMT
#914
What did you learn from Robik saying that you were a power role?
Trfel
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March 07 2015 05:11 GMT
#916
If you don't have much meta on Robik, why were you wondering specifically if Robik would think you were a power role?

Last question, sorry.
Trfel
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March 07 2015 05:18 GMT
#918
Thanks for answering.

At the start of the game, I remember ritoky seeming really towny. But when I go back over the start of the game, ritoky looks suspicious. Specifically, the strange defensiveness and changes in his progression with Palmar, some posts that might perhaps be pocketing, and his statements towards Alakaslam "if he starts playing better, he is town, but otherwise he is sure scum".

Was my initial read on ritoky weak? Or is it just that flips made his play worse? Or am I making errors in my current judgement of his early play?
Trfel
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March 07 2015 20:57 GMT
#933
Rsoultin is almost certainly town here. Just saying this again.

Rsoultin started pushing Alakaslam very early on. The only reason that this would happen is if the mafia team agreed to bus Alakaslam. But then, rsoultin wouldn't have vote switched off of Alakaslam. Rsoultn's play simply makes no sense at all from a mafia perspective.

Ritoky seems kind of strange. Many parts of his play seem to make him look like mafia. For example, the way he eventually voted on Alakaslam so late in the day, and the way he set it up ("If Alakaslam looks like town, he's town, but otherwise he's definitely scum"). That said, his play has seemed like focused scumhunting, and with the thread being such a mess, there is not much incentive for him to do so. I almost want to townread him for effort alone.

Robik and Onegu both look suspicious, but they can't be scum together based on they Day 1 voting.

I'm sorry, I wish I could provide more, but I'm busy with unexpected real life issues.
Trfel
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March 08 2015 05:14 GMT
#987
On March 08 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:
lol disregard...I've got a superficial way to read ritoky, but pairing that with how I generally feel about him this game, the townread holds up. i'm not great at meta though lol -_- just noticed he tends to only focus on a few players as scum (at least in the games I read) while focusing on a lot more as town.

not that my opinion matters since i'm only confirmed town to myself xP
You're confirmed town.
Trfel
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March 08 2015 05:19 GMT
#989
On March 08 2015 14:17 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
can i reference a game that is still going on? Robik was in another game and he flipped, can I talk about that as a meta read?
Sorry, not until that game ends.
Trfel
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March 09 2015 01:09 GMT
#1064
On March 09 2015 09:54 Onegu wrote:
@trfel since you are blue, can you come in ive your UPDATED reads and thoughts so we can have more input other than scum snickers yelling about my claim, and rsoultin blaming him for being unproductive.

Oats your thoughts would be useful to get a read on you and to figure out this game.
Yeah, it's time I apologized.

I'm sorry, some personal problems have come up recently and I haven't been able to spend anywhere near the amount of time on this game that it deserves. I'll be able to read the thread, but my rereading will be limited, and I won't be anywhere near as up to date as I would like.

I feel that Onegu and rsoultin are both very likely to be town.

Onegu because of his blue claim. We haven't had a counterclaim yet, and I feel it is extremely likely that town has two blue roles. Mafia claiming where Onegu did feels like suicide. In addition, I liked Onegu saying that he made not obvious saves. (no hard feelings about not saving me, to be honest I was really hoping to die) Therefore, I feel that Onegu should be treated as confirmed town.

Rsoultin for reasons previously stated. If rsoultin is mafia, she started pushing Alakaslam extremely early in Day 1, when the only pressure on Alakaslam was Onegu's joke vote. Rsoultin had no reason to do this at all, unless the mafia team made an early decision to bus Alakaslam. Given that the majority of Alakaslam's wagon is towny, this seems extremely unlikely, since if the mafia team made an early decision to bus, ritoky would have been much more committed to it earlier on. And if the mafia team did decide to bus Alakaslam, then rsoultin would not have moved her vote at the last second. So, though rsoultin's play doesn't look particularly good, it looks even worse from a mafia perspective, therefore I am extremely confident in reading rsoultin as town.

Snickers has consistently looked suspicious to me. On Day 1, Snickers' play was consistently anti-town. A few of these reasons include constant insults, trolling, and his opening attempt to lynch the banned KelsierSC. This play can only be explained by him trolling, as Robik previously described. However, in this play, Snickers promised key reads in later points in the game, promises which took a very long time to come (if ever). And Snickers posted some things that seemed to make it look like he was seriously playing the game. Based on the massive amount of contradictions and misreading that Snickers displayed, that makes his play seem suspicious.

For Day 2, Snickers was much more serious. I note that this coincided with the ending of Office Mafia, which makes sense; Snickers gets more time, and then starts playing more seriously. Then for Day 3, Snickers seems to be very obstructive and constantly getting in the way.

One thing I wonder about is that Snickers' play seems to vary based on the level of danger the scum team is in. Snickers started out completely trolling, which makes sense for a scum player in a town atmosphere like this game's Day 1. Then when a mafia player was shot, Snickers started to play more seriously. And now that town loses after two more mislynches, I can see Snickers being more trolling and obstructive again. I could see Snickers going either way.

Ritoky is proving really hard for me to read, for reasons previously stated. His actions all seem so bad, but the level of effort he has used seems good. And Alakaslam's early vote in him seems to be a small point in his favor. I am still inclined to think that ritoky is town, but I wouldn't be that surprised if he was town here.

I am suspicious of Robik for the early vote on prplhz, describing himself as having done more than he actually has, and seeming to not really care about the game except when he is up for lynch.

At the moment, I'm feeling most likely to lynch Robik, Snickers, or MysteryMeat1.
Trfel
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March 09 2015 03:28 GMT
#1082
Snickers says Onegu is 98% town, then is skeptical of his claim, which is why he is town?
Trfel
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March 09 2015 19:57 GMT
#1160
If you want to get me to switch, you're going to have to sell it really quickly. I need to leave in a few minutes.

Sorry.
Trfel
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March 09 2015 19:57 GMT
#1161
Oh, and plus I still want to lynch Snickers. My biggest reason for not wanting to lynch him is that I'm always wrong, and I think he's scum.
Trfel
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March 09 2015 20:06 GMT
#1163
Done.
Trfel
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March 09 2015 22:39 GMT
#1176
HAHAHAHAHAAHA the deadline didn't change for Daylight Savings Time XD
Trfel
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March 09 2015 22:57 GMT
#1178
It's my fault, haha. I should have realized.
Trfel
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March 09 2015 23:05 GMT
#1185
Has Half the Sky been drinking or something?
Trfel
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March 10 2015 00:00 GMT
#1190
For the record, the only reason I switched my vote was to block any potential last second vote switches. Because that would suggest that Snickers was scum. And in addition, if Snickers was going to get lynched anyway, I wanted my vote on him. Even though it didn't change anything whatsoever.

I did prefer a MysteryMeat1 lynch to a Snickers lynch.
Trfel
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March 10 2015 00:17 GMT
#1194
Ritoky's final push against MysteryMeat1 with Snickers up for lynch today basically removed all doubt in my mind about his alignment. Ritoky seems to have been putting the most effort into this game of everyone, so if he is scum, he more than deserves his win. Even though several of his actions have looked suspicious, the amount of effort he has used is completely disproportional to how I would expect scum to play in this environment, and I can't see my lynching him due to paranoia alone.

That said.... ritoky, why do you want legacies from us? You seem very convinced in who the final mafia is.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
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March 10 2015 00:25 GMT
#1197
Fair enough.

I simply haven't spent enough time on this game, so take my reads with a grain of salt, but I'll do what I can.
Trfel
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March 10 2015 05:44 GMT
#1201
MysteryMeat1 and Oatsmaster
Trfel
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March 10 2015 06:12 GMT
#1202
Endgame post please?

I'll post my reasons tomorrow, but I think it's fairly solid. I'd rather go with this than some tinfoil hat theory about ritoky outplaying everyone else in the game as scum, or Onegu getting extremely lucky and gambling that town only has one power role, or rsoultin bussing Alakaslam from so early on.

There are several reasons for this. One is process of elimination, but that is somewhat weak. So looking at voting analysis, Oatsmaster and MysteryMeat1 generally voted late and non-committed, except for their combined push on Robik.

MysteryMeat1's filter showed some strange reads of Oatsmaster. One thing of note is his early pressure vote, four hours from end of day, which was quickly retracted. By that time, Superbia had only marginally more posts than Oatsmaster, so it is somewhat suspicious that Oatsmaster was singled out while Superbia was ignored entirely. Then, MysteryMeat1 provided a reads post not including Oatsmaster, but added a read on Oatsmaster in an updated list post seven minutes later. Note how Oatsmaster ended up in the scum category, but MysteryMeat1's deliberate explanation of this read seemed to waffle and not end up in a solid scumread. It feels overjustified.

Oatsmaster has also been deliberate with his reads towards MysteryMeat1.

In addition, both of them have been constantly scumreading each other. But, they have never seriously pushed each other. In a broken game like this, I would expect mafia to just distance and watch town kill themselves, and that seems shown here. But they never, ever, pushed each other seriously.

Regardless of the night kill, Onegu is almost certainly town here.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
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March 10 2015 15:58 GMT
#1204
MysteryMeat1 and Oatsmaster

MysteryMeat1

MysteryMeat1's reads have been inconsistent

On March 03 2015 12:04 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 11:44 prplhz wrote:
18

On March 03 2015 11:41 rsoultin wrote:
I actually like prp's latest posting, tbh. Slam is definitely the better lynch.

MysteryMeat1

Tell me something about him.


It could be too early in the day but I think that if he was mafia he would have taken a more definite side between us. However instead of pushing a lynch onto one of us he's switching it to someone he thinks is mafia. Town read!
MysteryMeat1 provides a townread of rsoultin. However, about 30 minutes before, he was suspicious of rsoultin.
On March 03 2015 11:36 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
My phone is about to die but with a quick glance tHrough Rsoul filter I'm not a huge fan

On March 03 2015 09:58 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 08:22 Damdred wrote:
if you can explain why I would like to hear it.

MM is a total classic low hanging fruit, even if you roll mafia it doesn't change the fact he still fits into that. He looks like scum even as confirmed town to a ton of people. Theres nothing that can be done with that.


T.T


I like robik, snickers, and palmar for now.

WE should lynch the purple guy. Its annoying how he counts his posts.
A townread of Robik.
On March 04 2015 04:23 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Lol Robik has to be town. He begs me to play this game then calls me scum d1
Another townread of Robik. Then he sheeps Robik as his reason for voting for prphlz.
On March 06 2015 12:13 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Mafia:
Robik, he usually reads me fairly well even with my shit play, I know i haven't been as active and he hasn't been really pushing on me, but he's a mafia sided lean.
Later, this read changes to town.
On March 08 2015 14:20 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well then i think robik is town for what its worth
But Robik was constantly scumreading MysteryMeat1, which was the reason that he was scumread by MysteryMeat1. These read changes were later justified here.
On March 08 2015 15:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
As you know I have taken quite the haitus from playing forum mafia. It's a lot of fun but i'm really terrible and it takes waaay too much time to play during school. I work 15 hours a week, go to school full time (double majoring), do research for a professor, and volunteer. However robik messages me on skype and goes I wanna play mafia with you so i'm like aight. For Robik to come out d1 and says he has a scum read on me means that he actually thinks im scum and not a mafia pushing a ml. Thats why I initially townread him for it.

However as you know robiks play is usually a lot more involved which set off a few red flags for me. However I realized robik is a bastard and would totes mcgoats do that. Now I'm claiming ogi and saying robik is town.

If i had to judge on a scale of 1-10 how town robik is in each of those posts it would go.

8, 4, 5, 3, 8. It was a moment of weakness but i'm really basing my read off of OGI and the fact that i've played DM with robik a bit. It's basically a selfish read but I think he's town.
The initial townread of Robik makes sense, however the reason for scumreading Robik changed. MysteryMeat1 scumread Robik for scumreading himself when Robik should have known better. And if Robik and MysteryMeat1 know each other well, the described time it took MysteryMeat1 to realize that Robik's play actually was his town play wouldn't exist. This post actually makes no sense at all explaining this.
On March 07 2015 03:42 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I'm fine with lynching super over robik
On March 08 2015 14:53 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I really didn't like the superbia lynch, for his logic when it came to oats, robik, and I. I also agreed with the gut read on snickers.
Just because Superbia posted one list post in between. His logic on three players made a comfortable lynch change into really not liking that lynch? I also note that Superbia's three reads mentioned were Oatsmaster, MysteryMeat1, and Robik. MysteryMeat1 is effectively saying that he liked the logic for reading Oatsmaster as town and Robik as mafia, while he himself continued to read Oatsmaster as mafia and soon switched to reading Robik as town (after which he still said he liked Superbia's logic for his read on Robik).

Throughout the game, MysteryMeat1 has shown a weird level of justification of his plays. Some of his reads and actions were left completely unjustified, or made as jokes. However, others were heavily explained after the fact, when they were commented on. And still some actions were explained in detail as they were made. These differences seem very interesting, and it makes MysteryMeat1 feel very self-conscious.

One more interesting point is MysteryMeat1's day 1 voting. He initially voted for Oatsmaster as a pressure vote, and then with about three hours left, he asked Robik if he should vote for prplhz or stay on Oatsmaster. Note that MysteryMeat1 has never once mentioned Alakaslam or his wagon, and doesn't leave that as an option. And this places most of the blame on Robik, instead of himself.

Oatsmaster

On March 04 2015 13:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ive been completely neglecting this game, but anyone who knows how to read can see that Prp was town.
What the fuck guys.
Really? This didn't seem obvious to a lot of people. Myself included. I don't think anyone was solidly townreading prplhz.

I also notice that his activity significantly drops off after he starts playing enough to be less suspected for activity. Oatsmaster has by far the shortest filter in the game, and his only main contribution was the first push in Robik.

After Superbia was lynched, Oatsmaster said that the lynch felt a lot like a town vs town lynch. But he didn't do anything to stop it, and was yelling for Robik's head the entire time.

Then on Day 3, Oatsmaster's vote on Snickers comes first, and then his filter turns to be scumreading Snickers quite strongly. Oatsmaster placed this vote when three votes were on Snickers already, and he had barely mentioned Snickers before this (and not in a way that provided any indication as to his read on Snickers). Furthermore, Oatsmaster had been comfortable with reading MysteryMeat1 as scum before this, but this read was dropped entirely once he jumped to the Snickers wagon.

Why MysteryMeat1 and Oatsmaster are scum together

On March 04 2015 03:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster

Hi oats, gimme some love
This is MysteryMeat1's first mention of Oatsmaster, about four and a half hours before the lynch deadline. As a pressure vote, this feels mostly worthless, being so late to the deadline. At this point, Oatsmaster had voted for Palmar and asked a question. Meanwhile, Superbia had also been away for a significant period of time, and he had claimed town, voted Palmar, and asked three questions. So there isn't much difference between the two. But MysteryMeat1 pressure votes Oatsmaster without ever mentioning Superbia.

On March 06 2015 12:13 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
So funny story robik, I actually came into 1000$ in scam money, had to call the police and talk to them. It was pretty exhausting.

I voted on prplhz cause I didnt have a good read on slam, I also thought robik was softing a power role or something and probably didn't even know if snickers was town or mafia and tried to frame him for the lolz. Like I said earlier I thought it was weird that rsoul had told prp that he was lacking a reaction and then blew up out of no where really. I was going to place my vote on prp regardless but decided to place it on oats to see if he would say something, however I believe when i placed the vote there was only like 4 hours left and I realized that was too late to pressure someone so i switched it to prp. At the time i was reading snickers and robik as town.

As for town reads:
Snickers
trfel
ritoky
rsoul

Mafia:
Robik, he usually reads me fairly well even with my shit play, I know i haven't been as active and he hasn't been really pushing on me, but he's a mafia sided lean.

Onegu - Seems very lynch happy


This next section is pretty wifom: If i was mafia: I would probably push a lynch on me or robik. If you wanted to deal with robik then you could probably push on him for his activity and then the 'fake' yelling that he got a warning for. Even easier than that would be me, I've never been mafia and I suck at all town roles.

im going back to reading

Here is MysteryMeat1's first list post. Note that MysteryMeat1 is somewhat suspected at this point for the vote switch to prplhz. MysteryMeat1 says that he placed his pressure vote on Oatsmaster with four and a half hours left in the day, but then realized that it was too late to do this as a pressure vote, so he switched to prphlz... a whole half hour before the deadline. This doesn't make sense. Also, MysteryMeat1 provides explanation for his reads here, explanation that hasn't been seen in his play to this point. This coincides with increased suspicion on himself.
On March 06 2015 12:20 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
also the other people I forgot to mention, I'm fine with damdred and just doing a quick look through super's filter it seemed like there was justification for his vote on prp and then tried to not get slam shot. Oats is oats and could be mafia, I think the last game we played together was cell which was basically me and HF being bitches to each other for like 300 posts and he turned out to be mafia. Hwever in that game iirc he didn't really play that much and he hasn' been playing a lot this game so he's a mafia lean

I'd probably put robik in the nuetral with a very slight scum lean

so for the recap

Town:
Snickers
tfel
ritoky
rsoul

Neutral Town:
Damdred

Neutral Mafia
Robik

Mafia
oats
super
Seven minutes later, MysteryMeat1 provides an updated list post. I find it interesting how he added Oatsmaster in the "Mafia" category, while having just completely dismissed his vote on Oatsmaster as a pressure vote. Here, he explains his scumread of Oatsmaster, saying he "could be mafia" and that the reason for scumreading Oatsmaster is that he didn't play very much last game, when he was mafia, and didn't play very much in this game. This explanation seems wishy-washy, and doesn't result in a hard scumread like MysteryMeat1 provided. MysteryMeat1 basically spent three lines explaining "Oatsmaster is mafia because he has barely been posting".

On March 05 2015 17:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah feeling pretty good about robik and MM.
This is a scumread of MysteryMeat1, based on what Oatsmaster does before (saying that prplhz's wagon was scum and Alakaslam's wagon was town) and after (pushing Robik).

From here, the Day 2 voting gets more active, and MysteryMeat1 never mentions Oatsmaster again. He only mentions Superbia and Robik, and seems to be willing to vote for either. And Oatsmaster was one of MysteryMeat's strongest scumreads before this.
On March 08 2015 14:53 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
robik, oats, and I all thought that one of the other two were scum. I'm fairly certain robik is town so based on that I would put oats pretty high up on my scum list. BS reason but idc.

I'm suprised no one has really been hard pushing me after damdred died. From my perspective that nk was set up to get me mislynched.

I really didn't like the superbia lynch, for his logic when it came to oats, robik, and I. I also agreed with the gut read on snickers.

Fun Fact* The first game (maybe second game) I played with snickers I got lynched the first thing i did was mesage chairman ray on skype and was like you and snickers are mafia.

I think that there is at least one scum on the slam wagon day1, and oats didn't vote and at the moment my scum team would be oats, ritoky/snickers
So, MysteryMeat1 really didn't want to lynch Superbia because of three reads he provided, including a townread of Oatsmaster. But, MysteryMeat1 is putting Oatsmaster pretty high on his scum list, and including him in his scum team in the very same post.
On March 08 2015 16:16 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I would vote on these three today oats and then snickers/ritoky, I liked rsouls and onegus reasoning so I would be fine with a snickers lynch.
MysteryMeat1 has been scumreading Oatsmaster constantly. But has never actually pushed him. And now, for the Day 3 lynch, MysteryMeat1 still doesn't push Oatsmaster, instead deciding to lynch Snickers for sheeping rsoultin and Onegu. Despite having Snickers as town earlier.
On March 09 2015 20:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
robik is a huge dick looooooool.
Too dick to be scum.

Ok so snickers denying the claim is super weird.
He should know that uncounterclaimed blues are blues.
And he definitely isnt that doc or another blue either.
##vote snickers
So Oatsmaster was comfortable with scumreading MysteryMeat1. Then Oatsmaster switched his Robik read to town, and then voted for Snickers. No mention of MysteryMeat1 at all.

Conclusion: MysteryMeat1 and Oatsmaster

Both MysteryMeat1 and Oatsmaster have provided several suspicious actions and reads of their own (well, not so many in Oatsmaster's case, since he only has 26 posts). Both have been on the sidelines, not pushing their reads (except for Oatsmaster's push on Robik), and following others (MysteryMeat1 did this constantly, Oatsmaster with his late vote on Snickers). Both have been consistently scumreading each other, but never pushing these reads. Therefore, I think that both MysteryMeat1 and Oatsmaster are mafia.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 10 2015 16:11 GMT
#1205
Onegu and I are confirmed town for claiming power roles without counterclaims. I think that my claim and my shot speaks for itself.

In Onegu's case, he was scumread by virtually everyone going into Day 3, and so he claimed right away. This makes sense to me from a town perspective, as his chances of getting the lynch off of himself seemed small. In addition, if he had waited later in the day, his claim would have looked more suspicious. By claiming right at the start of the day, he waited until after the night kill, and ensured that town wouldn't waste time focusing on himself, and could focus on finding scum instead. Furthermore, Onegu's claimed medic saves are not the most obvious saves (probably ritoky night 1 and definitely myself night 2, note that I am not saying these are the best saves, just the most obvious ones), and that makes me more inclined to believe his claim. It's a lot easier to defend saving a claimed blue than it is to defend saving a somewhat suspicious player in Robik.

So far, we have two claimed blues (vigilante and medic) and one dead mafia goon. It is reasonable to assume that mafia has at least one power role to compensate. A roleblocker is perfectly reasonable here, and thus if Onegu does not die, I don't think that it casts much doubt on his claim.

That leaves four players: ritoky, rsoultin, MysteryMeat1, and Oatsmaster. None of these players are confirmed town. I've expressed reasons for townreading ritoky and rsoultin previously in my filter, but these reasons aren't concrete proof of their alignment.

I don't think that it is possible for ritoky and rsoultin to be mafia together because of how quickly rsoultin voted for Alakaslam, and how long ritoky took to investigate people and only voted for Alakaslam with less than an hour left in Day 1 (and then rsoultin switched off of Alakaslam). If both were mafia with Alakaslam, this wouldn't have happened.

I don't think that it is possible for ritoky and MysteryMeat1 to be mafia together because of ritoky's push from Snickers to MysteryMeat1 yesterday. This is an extremely risky play for mafia to do, while they could have simply taken the mislynch and put town at double LYLO.

This leaves the following mafia teams:

rsoultin and Oatsmaster
rsoultin and MysteryMeat1
ritoky and Oatsmaster
MysteryMeat1 and Oatsmaster

For reasons I have already stated, I am most inclined to think that the last option is correct.

I should take a closer look at rsoultin and ritoky. But for now, I need a break. I can't guarantee that I will get back to this game before the deadline, especially seeing as I am busy. But hopefully this is a good description of where my thoughts are at right now.

Do note that I haven't kept up with this game as much as I would like, and therefore my reads are not as reliable as they normally would be (and they aren't very good normally, either). I've provided my thoughts, but while I am confirmed town, that doesn't mean that I am right.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 11 2015 00:24 GMT
#1211
On March 11 2015 09:22 rsoultin wrote:
truffle still lives

we should filter-dive truffle

most of his filter is on this page lololol
Oh you....

Don't make me lynch you for spite.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 11 2015 00:32 GMT
#1213
On March 11 2015 09:27 rsoultin wrote:
only if you use the silken rope

i like to die in style!
But is it stylish when it has a body dangling from it?

I'm kind of disappointed in the lack of response to my proposed scum team. If you see something I'm missing, I'd really like to know. Otherwise, I just want to lynch MysteryMeat1 and Oatsmaster and win the game, right?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 11 2015 00:35 GMT
#1214
Oh, and about dying in style, do you speak from personal experience?
+ Show Spoiler +
I certainly wouldn't call Student Mafia V very stylish
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 11 2015 00:48 GMT
#1216
You didn't read my filter. Why don't you want to lynch me? I thought we had an understanding, lynch me so I can stop pretending to play this game.

I'm mad. I thought I could trust you.

##vote rsoultin
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 11 2015 01:04 GMT
#1217
Is it weird that my biggest reason to suspect ritoky is that he is trying too hard?

I don't understand how town could try as hard as ritoky has been in this game. It doesn't make sense.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 11 2015 01:09 GMT
#1219
On March 11 2015 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
lol that's my biggest reason to townread him xP we're at a crossroads

maybe i'm right because you're just pretending?
Gimme a sec, lemme go ask my friends how to cover up a scumslip.....

LOOK BEHIND YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See, the answer is that Half the Sky is actually hosting this game because she was bribed to do so by the American Communist party. It's all a conspiracy!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 11 2015 03:02 GMT
#1221
All Hail the Communist Party!
Soundtrack for this post

[image loading]

Communist Party USA

We live in a troubled world. I don't think there is any debate over this. Things are just too unequal, with the rich winning, and the ordinary people left to suffer.

For an example of this, look no further than this very game.
On March 04 2015 07:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count

prplhz (6): IAmRobik, Snickers, Palmar, MysteryMeat1, Superbia, rsoultin
Alakaslam (5): Onegu, rsoultin, Damdred, prplhz, Trfel, ritoky
Palmar (0): Superbia
ritoky (1): Palmar, Alakaslam
Oatsmaster (0): MysteryMeat1
Snickers (0): prplhz, Trfel
MysteryMeat1 (0): Snickers, prplhz

Not voted (1): Oatsmaster

As it currently stands, prplhz is slated to be deported.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:

On March 07 2015 08:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 2 Vote Count

Superbia (6): Trfel, ritoky, rsoultin, Snickers, IAmRobik, Onegu, IAmRobik
IAmRobik (3): Damdred, Oatsmaster, MysteryMeat1, Superbia
MysteryMeat1 (1): Onegu, Damdred, IAmRobik
Damdred (0): Snickers

As it currently stands, Superbia is slated to be deported.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:

On March 10 2015 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 3 Vote Count

Snickers (4): rsoultin, Onegu, Trfel, rsoultin, Oatsmaster, MysteryMeat1, rsoultin, Trfel
MysteryMeat1 (2): Trfel, ritoky, lots of Snickers, Snickers, rsoultin
rsoultin (0): lots of Snickers
Trfel (0): Snickers
ritoky (0): Snickers
Onegu (0): Snickers

As it currently stands, Snickers is slated to be deported.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:

Day 1. Prplhz and Alakaslam took six and five votes, respectively. And the only other player rewarded with a vote was ritoky, with Alakaslam's lone vote. Out of thirteen players, only three were given any votes, and one of those only had one vote.

Day 2. Superbia received six votes, and IAmRobik received three. MysteryMeat1 received one vote. This distribution is a little more even, but two players still had significantly more votes than the rest.

Day 3. Snickers received four votes, and MysteryMeat1 received two. Six players in the game, but only two received votes. This again shows the inequalities among the players.

And all mafia players are created to be equal.
On March 01 2015 15:31 Half the Sky wrote:
Signup List
1 Superbia
2
KelsierSC replaced by Damdred
3 Palmar
4 rsoultin
5 Trfel
6 prplhz
7 Onegu
8 Alakaslam
9 ritoky
10 MysteryMeat1
11 Oatsmaster
12 Snickers
13 IAmRobik

Replacements
1 Damdred
2 Fecalfeast
3

Observers
1 kitaman27
2 LightningStrike
3 Breshke
4 Koshi
5 Probulous

Sitouts
1
2
3

Shadows
1 Silverarte (rsoultin)
2
3
All of the players started out equal. A number, a name, and a filter. But now, I notice a strange thing. All but five of the names have a strikethrough. And I also noticed that with one exception, every single one of the players who was fortunate enough to receive multiple votes has a strikethrough! After more research, I found something truly incredible.
On March 01 2015 15:29 Half the Sky wrote:
Activity:
You must post in this thread TWICE per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. Failure to do so will result in a warning; a second offence will result in a modkill.
What is this?!?! We are forced to post in this game, against our will? And those with the extreme honor of receiving votes are no longer forced to follow this requirement! Clearly, this system favors the privileged, and those of us who were unfortunate enough not to be given votes are left to suffer and are forced to post and vote. And we are not even allowed to vote for ourselves.

Clearly, this entire game is a capitalist conspiracy to overthrow everything we hold dear. As loyal communists, we cannot stand for this! Take up the good fight, and share the votes! Everyone deserves votes in equal portions, as this will ensure that everyone receives the equal standing that we had when we signed up for this game as equals.

However, the plot has one more twist.
On March 01 2015 15:29 Half the Sky wrote:
Voting rules:


This game uses plurality lynch. The player with most votes at deadline will be lynched.
1. Voting is done in the voting thread. The voting thread is here. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##vote: Half the Sky. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I or my co-host will update vote counts whenever we get the chance.
3. If you change your vote, please ##unvote before posting another vote (can be done in the same post).
4. No conditional voting.
5. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
6. You may not vote for a no-lynch.
7. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

What?!?! An outrage! If everyone receives the same number of votes, still only one is given the honor of the strikethrough! Inequality and injustice is fundamentally built into this game!

Comrades, only one answer remains. We must overthrow our cruel oppressors and take control of our own lives!

##unvote
##vote Half the Sky
##vote OnceKing
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 11 2015 03:13 GMT
#1223
On March 11 2015 12:06 rsoultin wrote:
So your answer for rampant inequality and favoritism is to give all the votes to the oppressors?!
Precisely. Clearly you must be a new recruit to the cause.

If Half the Sky and OnceKing are dead, the game cannot proceed. All people (players, hosts, observers, etc) will be given entirely equal rights, with no obligations and no requirements. This is the only true way for a fair world.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 12 2015 00:18 GMT
#1232
If I'm going to lose this game, at least I will go down in style.



No one wants to talk and be entertaining?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 12 2015 00:33 GMT
#1234
On March 12 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
fuck you ;o;

i'm the most entertaining person ALIVE

...lol
Then why don't you act like it? XD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 12 2015 00:50 GMT
#1236
So I guess I am stuck with my boredom then.........

Probably wise, I have a history paper due tomorrow. It would sure be a shame if something happened that distracted me from finishing it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 12 2015 00:53 GMT
#1237
Does anyone else like listening to music by Miklos Rosza? Or is it just me?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 12 2015 02:08 GMT
#1239
On March 12 2015 11:06 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
He's not bad, my favorite classical is Johannes Braum Hungarian Dance
I'm a trumpet player, so I guess I prefer brass-heavy music. Some of Miklos Rosza's music is truly epic.

I'll take another listen to Hungarian Dance later, though. Just for you.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 12 2015 13:30 GMT
#1246
I'm willing to lynch either MysteryMeat1 or Oatsmaster.

##vote MysteryMeat1
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 12 2015 22:57 GMT
#1251
Part of me really wants to switch votes to Oatsmaster. That way if ritoky is scum, the game keeps going. At this point, it's more likely that Oatsmaster is scum than MysteryMeat1, just because of the votes.

However, I'd rather just end it. I don't think that anything will happen to change my mind, so I have no real desire to switch targets at this time.

Pretty sure the scum team is rsoultin/ritoky, because that is what would make me be 100% wrong. And I'm very good at being wrong.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 12 2015 23:00 GMT
#1253
I want to lynch you just for that picture.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 13 2015 02:15 GMT
#1305
I just can't see myself lynching the only player in the game who is playing it properly.

Even when the end results of his actions fit what mafia would do at the time.

Well done by ritoky. Should have been a little faster, and maybe could have gotten him when he posted that "swag" image.

I agree, posting restrictions had absolutely no effect on this game at all. Town just was unable to do anything whatsoever. I personally found reading the thread too painful, so I couldn't play the game properly at any point.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 13 2015 02:49 GMT
#1310
I really do apologize for my play this game. It was very poor, and I am well aware of it.

The only time I properly played the game was when I actually read the entire thread for several hours before taking my vig shot. Before that, and after that, I was never playing the game properly. And for that, I apologize. I didn't give town my best.

It is what it is.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 13 2015 04:23 GMT
#1317
On March 13 2015 13:17 ritoky wrote:
yeah i had a bad enough day 1 to where i should never have been a clear town read imo, but that random vote switch and me calling for the vigi shot on my teammate seemed to make every1 forget how bad i was day 1
You played the best of all of the players in the game. I'm willing to overlook a very suspicious Day 1 when you still showed an apparent willingness to scumhunt, which you did continuously all game long. No one else showed that level of effort this game.

Seriously, you played extremely well. Definitely deserved the win.

From here on out, you don't get any slack, though.
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