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Okay, let me try to explain my thought process lol >< and then I'll give you the things I've been sitting on regarding Super. I know what I did seems insane, and my explanation actually makes it more insane rather than less.
But keep in mind the context. I was certain Slam was scum. Mostly. Not quite as certain as I presented it in thread, but he was definitely my strongest scumread and by far my strongest read in the thread, with the townread on ritoky being the second.
And...I pretty much had no other strong reads. I kept complaining that the thread was toxic, because it was, and I was sick and tired of town not acting like town, and possible town (Palmar) contributing to the mess. I also personally hate the too scummy to be scum reason to townread people which Palmar definitely fell under.
So Super came into the thread, made some convenient placeholder comments, then suddenly changed over. No, I was not bullied off a strong scumread. I deliberately chose to vote for a null read over a scum read to get reads on the players on the prp wagon, most specifically Super, and yeah it's a weird way to think but made perfect sense to me in the context that I was having trouble getting reads on players. Note how he demanded for a read on him one way or another before I switched, and my response to him?
I do strongly suspect that Super is scum, in part for his terrible logic night 1 to be sure, but also his chaotic responses in general. He contradicted himself a ridiculous amount of times after flip. More on that in another post.
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I'd really like thoughts on this. While I do find it fairly likely that Superbia is scum, I really could see him being town here. And a Superbia mislynch would leave us in a fair amount of trouble.
I'll try to take a look at some other people later tonight, and I would encourage others to do the same.
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Okay.
I did not mean to say that the people voting on slam were townie. I think they were scummy.
Let me go over again why I voted for slam. Last time:
- People I thought were scummy were voting for slam. Ritoky and partially prp/onegu.
- People I thought were townie were voting for prp. Snickers/Palmar.
- The wagon on slam was weak and uncontested. This is my current argument as to why I think scum was bussing slam.
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I'll be here sporadically.
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Lol, Truffle, ninjaing me...I'll only add the things I find most important or different from what you've already brought up, then. And yes, this comes from the perspective that I know I'm town, so I recognize it'll require a little faith to follow:
- His reason for scumming prp has nothing to do with either Slam or prp pre-flip. He tries to cast doubt on me (leading the slam wagon) and switch to ritoky (Palmar's read) further distancing himself from a mislynch by saying his only real read is towning Snickers (a reason for staying on prp?)
- Demands a read on him when he's already admitted to no reads of his own and pushes even when I say he's null (with style of course cause I have tons of style  )
- The town to town last second hammer argument has already been beaten to death. My point here is less that it's clearly horrendous logic, and more pointing to what it achieves: a townread on Slam. If he scums slam and can't get me lynched, he has to be willing to lynch slam as mafia...or find a damn good reason not to.
- He asked me for the other members of the scum team with Slam, then proceeded to try to tear it apart on the basis that...Slam isn't scum. That's ridiculous.
- The whole bussing/non-bussing angle. He wants to push the idea that scum bussed while at the same time scumreading Robik for...nothing? Like I'm really confused here. He goes on about how it's terrible to buss but this is what scum did, throws a bunch of accusation's ritoky's way and barely mentions robik. Robik, robik, robik with no stated reason for scumming him, but his scumread gravitates more toward robik as more players in-thread suspect him, which is interesting.
Most everything else has been brought up by someone already.
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I called essentially robik scum or PR at EoD1. Meek robik = mafia robik. I also felt the CAPSLOCK a few pages ago felt kinda forced. But I did not really read the context that much.
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What was that predicated on, Super? I'm not seeing Robik in the thread at the time so the read seems to have come entirely out of left field. What makes Robik meek rather than simply AFK at that time?
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I find your vote on superbia really weird here rsoul
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I really don't care, robik? Maybe you can explain what you think is so weird about it, but frankly...I've thought he was scum for quite awhile and you're not going to convince me I'm scum regardless xP
Explain to me how I'm wrong if I'm wrong.
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On March 06 2015 07:14 rsoultin wrote:
What was that predicated on, Super? I'm not seeing Robik in the thread at the time so the read seems to have come entirely out of left field. What makes Robik meek rather than simply AFK at that time?
From reading his filter d1.
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Lol, so...in the last minute of the day before the lynch, while you're on who you think is scum and are trying to get people to switch, you're reading Robik's filter? Or thinking about Robik at all? That's pretty strange, Super. I mean, I suffer from stray thoughts sometimes, but not only is that a stray thought; it has nothing to do with the more important things going on in the thread at the time. So why would you post it?
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On March 06 2015 07:31 rsoultin wrote:
I really don't care, robik? Maybe you can explain what you think is so weird about it, but frankly...I've thought he was scum for quite awhile and you're not going to convince me I'm scum regardless xP
Explain to me how I'm wrong if I'm wrong.
Because you're mid-questioning him. Why are you voting him while you're waiting for him to answer you, unless you don't care what the answer is.....
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On March 06 2015 07:39 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, so...in the last minute of the day before the lynch, while you're on who you think is scum and are trying to get people to switch, you're reading Robik's filter? Or thinking about Robik at all? That's pretty strange, Super. I mean, I suffer from stray thoughts sometimes, but not only is that a stray thought; it has nothing to do with the more important things going on in the thread at the time. So why would you post it?
Because Palmar mentioned it and I agreed with him.
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RSO, you seem very out of touch with what happened EoD1, especially for someone who switched at the last minute.
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On March 06 2015 07:41 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 07:31 rsoultin wrote:
I really don't care, robik? Maybe you can explain what you think is so weird about it, but frankly...I've thought he was scum for quite awhile and you're not going to convince me I'm scum regardless xP
Explain to me how I'm wrong if I'm wrong. Because you're mid-questioning him. Why are you voting him while you're waiting for him to answer you, unless you don't care what the answer is.....
I'm capable of changing a vote, Robik. His reason for voting you seemed made-up. Try asking next time. It gets you further.
So that was a response to Palmar's alphabet lynch list, Super? Okay...I guess I can see that, except that your first impulse was to scumread me after the flip and you'd been consistently scumreading ritoky. But I guess I can see that thought coming from Palmar's post.
So where are you at now then? Who should I think is more scum than you?
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EBWOP:
Scumming, rather -_-
Btw, at some point soon I'm gonna drop out of thread for a bit because I have a tendency to burn through posts, and can't keep up this conversation forever.
Quite simply, Super, I don't understand your play this game. I don't understand your thought process. Maybe if you continue pushing it, and you're actually town, it'll click. I'm actually specifically trying to be more open-minded about you because I'm predisposed not to be, so that works in your favor here.
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IDK. I'm going to watch a movie and chill for now.
I think I've put down my thoughts pretty well. I haven't really checked any filters since EoN1 since I've been pretty frustrated and by extension tired. I still think it's very possible ritoky is mafia. Brings up the logic today that mafia for sure switched to save prp, but has no problem easily townreading RSO. Like there are so many contradictions and absolutes in his filter it's not even funny.
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I'm back and not caught up at all, but I have dealt with 1k in fraud money fo shizzle. probably....
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Once you catch up...reads and why the vote on prplhz por favor.
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stop being lazy simba. i didn't ask you to play just because we needed 1 more. i wanted to play with you. start playing
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EPT
